AgainstHateSubs basically admitting they had to get GC banned because it was peaking too many people.

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[–]CryptoBison 154 insightful - 20 fun154 insightful - 19 fun155 insightful - 20 fun -  (6 children)

they've been invading mainstreams subs tho :c

I know this might come as a shocker to them, but we've been there the whole time. Hell, I post in that very sub! And many other subs where people gleefully curse TERFs as if we're worse than pedophiles. Because unlike them, I am capable of engaging with people who I don't agree with 100%, and unlike them, I can express my opinions in ways that don't involve insulting or threatening people I disagree with.

Which, if you really think about it, is the great irony. We exist among them and they have no idea. They can deny our existence and call us things we're not and we don't care, because we know who we are. Meanwhile the mere suggestion that anyone doesn't agree with them has them screaming to the rafters that we are trying to erase them from existence. If you can literally be erased by other people's wrongthink, do you even really exist in the first place???

[–]Lizzythelezzo 100 insightful - 6 fun100 insightful - 5 fun101 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

"If you can literally be erased by other people's wrongthink, do you even really exist in the first place???"

Most trans people have personality disorders like BPD/NPD, where they lack a basic sense of self and feel like they don't exist. So on some level, they probably don't believe they exist unless people acknowledge them. They lack a core self and identity that most people develop as very young children.

[–]whateverneverpine 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Goddamit, I have these feelings of "not existing," trauma history, the whole shebang. Yet, somehow I manage to interact with people and pull together shreds of self-esteem, and some days I feel pretty damn good. Even with the whole lack of core self that plagues me from childhood trauma. Goddam them.

[–]PlannedParrotHood 22 insightful - 26 fun22 insightful - 25 fun23 insightful - 26 fun -  (0 children)

Don't be a bigot they just want to watch you pee!/s

[–]StreetAcanthisitta55 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

This is what is funny to me. I too have another account that I use on the main subs and I post and interact with tact with several people that I disagree with.

[–]respectmyidentity 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Why aren't they posting the list of the anti-female subs that need to go? This doesn't compute.

[–]flickumbicus 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Spoiler alert: because they're men.

[–]112223sps 122 insightful - 14 fun122 insightful - 13 fun123 insightful - 14 fun -  (15 children)

When did GC ever go around recruiting people? People found the sub because others would bring it up and tell everyone how awful it was, they'd get curious and check it out, then realize TRA's are liars. That's how I found it anyway, went to lol at the bigots but ended up staying because it actually made sense.

[–]YourSister 70 insightful - 7 fun70 insightful - 6 fun71 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

I found GC because I saw "Terf" being thrown around, and wondered what it meant. I found I agreed.

[–]RestingWitchface 57 insightful - 13 fun57 insightful - 12 fun58 insightful - 13 fun -  (0 children)

Same! Why recruit when they do the recruiting for us?

[–]InvisibleWoman 41 insightful - 6 fun41 insightful - 5 fun42 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Literally the same for me. It was mentioned so much as a horrible place you should avoid when searching for some gender nonsense I was interested in. Reading just a few posts had my brain tingling and lightbulbs going on. Saved me from identifying as not like the other girls nonbinary.

[–]Camberian 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I was "recruited" by TRA's infiltration of formerly left-leaning liberal media where you could discuss and debate just about anything. The actual recruiting then was done by Maria MacLachlan and her formidable website. No need for reddit for that. And Julie Bindel also may have been one of the voices telling me my misgivings had a valid basis.

[–]kuronekochan 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't even remember how I stumbled on GenderCritical, GenderTrender, or even the internet writings of some old-school transexuals who were critical of the current iteration of transgenderism. It was so long ago GenderCritical had only 3000-ish subscribers. I've always been a very live and let live person. If transgender activists hadn't started pushing at and lying about women constantly, maybe I wouldn't have wasted my critical energies on them. Beyond that, I have always balanced my readings by going to directly to forums for transgender people and reading what they were posting, as well as reading articles written by trans activists. It's insane that people like me are accused of being narrow-minded when I remain open to hearing all perspectives, unlike those who use the thought-terminating cliche TERF.

[–]PlannedParrotHood 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yep this is exactly how I found both GC and FDS.

[–][deleted] 93 insightful - 7 fun93 insightful - 6 fun94 insightful - 7 fun -  (7 children)

Honestly, the TRAs themselves I think are GC's biggest recruiters, especially those on AL.

For instance, I posted a lot on AL, celebrated the "TWAW" posts, and parroted their idea of "inclusion". I never even ventured into GC or TL.

Then they started telling me that as a lesbian, I needed to like girl dick. I must like penis or else I'm a transphobe, TERF, etc. There was this continued homophobia throughout AL and I kept seeing more and more TIMs saying the same thing.

I'm not young and impressionable like the majority of women in AL (sadly), so I left that sub and went to go find people who understood what being a lesbian really was and found some solace in TL and GC.

They're the ones who create what they apparently hate.

[–]Lizzythelezzo 57 insightful - 6 fun57 insightful - 5 fun58 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

You're right - I peaked through dating trans people and being quite involved in the TRA community. If you spend enough time with them they will peak you.

[–]ComfortableEqual 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely this.

[–]RealMapleFlavour 40 insightful - 16 fun40 insightful - 15 fun41 insightful - 16 fun -  (1 child)

Absolutely! THEY'RE the reason I found GC reddit. The "Educate yourself" phrase didn't really work to their advantage.

[–]Barber_Acrobatic 20 insightful - 5 fun20 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Ahh I see what you did wrong there. You were supposed to RE-educate yourself, the long form version is of course "change your mind, agree with me"

I've developed a real loathing of that phrase

[–]weirdthorn 38 insightful - 4 fun38 insightful - 3 fun39 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

First time I checked out GC was because some TRA was claiming how bad it was. Hadn't had come across it earlier. :D

[–]homeless-g_c-mod 17 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

IT'S SO HATEFUL! like really? I lurked for a while and was like, ????? This all sounds like common sense. If anything I should probably learn from all these great resources on how porn is harmful

[–]LasagnaRossa 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's exactly what happened fo me. I was there because I'm bisexual, and the last straw was when I got downvoted because I said I like both sexes with their original genitals. My comment was embellished (that damn "gEnItAl pReFerEncE") but wasn't rude.

Apparently this is hate speech. I don't see it differently than a straight woman saying she doesn't like other women. Is she homophobic? Fucking NO.

I've basically felt unwelcome from my own community, so sad.

[Edit] now that I think about it, I was on r/bisexual, not on r/AL

[–]Death_Tephra 64 insightful - 5 fun64 insightful - 4 fun65 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Utter shite. We need a "What is a TERF?" masterpost. That's how most people found GC.

[–]hellamomzilla 61 insightful - 5 fun61 insightful - 4 fun62 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

They completely forget that they had a shadow sub to drive traffic to GC and the debate gender sub. There were also constant brigading runs against GC. They fail to realize that they both weirdly encouraged people who were just reading in trans subs to visit AND ordered people to stay away because we were poison and would "turn" them.

Literally enormous asshats who can't let anyone else just have something for themselves.

[–]Pixie_Waifu 44 insightful - 3 fun44 insightful - 2 fun45 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

They want others to report us, but at the same time, understood if people stop for 2 seconds and read our thoughts; they wouldn't have this much support. And they know that.

[–]plantingprogress 44 insightful - 2 fun44 insightful - 1 fun45 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Exactly the same reason they were all crying about how JKR wrote a manifesto of evil while encouraging their followers not to read it and just take their word for it - because readers would know she had a well written, reasonable point and might (god forbid!) join team GC.

[–]InvisibleWoman 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah if their belief system is so solid, why should people not read allegedly wrong opposing opinions. Any good educator of any kind will tell you that reading things you disagree with is extremely important for the development of critical thinking skills, especially in areas of politics and sociology. If our ideas are so strong that one single piece of writing can sway people, then wow, maybe they should be bloody reading it.

[–]Complicated-Spirit 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

A Jewish friend of mine (keeping in mind that Judaism is a HIGHLY varied religion) said that in his denomination, you have to read opposing viewpoints and even question your faith at some time, because to simply believe blindly is no faith at all, even if - especially if - it’s a passionate faith, because it’s based on pride rather than conviction. I’m not Jewish myself, but I thought it was an outstandingly good point.

[–]Complicated-Spirit 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I’ve come across it number times. Third Way Trans mentioned it before as well IIRC. There’s this sort of “protective gatekeeping” groupthink, especially from older TIPs towards younger, newer ones - “If it makes you question your trans identity, DON’T read it. It’s wrong. Trust us.” Even if it’s something like, “If the antidepressant/anti-anxiety drug you’ve been prescribed and/or therapy is relieving your dysphoria and you no longer feel like you may be trans, then stop taking them/stop seeing that therapist. They’re undermining your real identity.” It all comes back to “Only listen to us. We will report back to you what other people are saying. You don’t need to find out for yourself.”

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    [–]RestingWitchface 37 insightful - 2 fun37 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    This is what bothers me about the whole ban. The whole idea of Reddit is that you can choose what you see based on which subs you subscribe to. If you don't like what you read in a sub, you don't have to subscribe. But instead, they want to stop everyone else from reading things they don't like too.

    [–]Complicated-Spirit 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    There’s also the assumption, believed in by governments across ages despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that “If we silence voices, thoughts will go away.”

    [–]dworkinian 56 insightful - 6 fun56 insightful - 5 fun57 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

    Lmao we didn't promote hatred. Everyone who thinks TERFS are an evil alt right cult has never read the gendercritical sub. These idiots just parrot nonsense at each other about how women are ~ big bad meanies for hating trans folx uwU~

    Like...sorry if "biological sex is real" offends you?

    [–]Complicated-Spirit 28 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    I love how they're always saying we "promote hatred". Yeah, we're the ones always threatening to kill them if they don't agree with us, doxxing them, trying to get them fired from their jobs, and sending out mass messages telling people to kill themselves.....Oh wait, that's what they did to us.

    We were the ones that were like, "Look, a man can wear a dress if he wants, a woman can shave her head if she wants. Because gender is bullshit. Stereotypes are bullshit. Your clothes don't determine your sex; your body does. Break through the idea that you have to have a body to match a particular stereotypical behavior." I can't think of a single instance in which we stalked, threatened, or harassed people. But yeah, we're the haters, hardcore.

    [–]EventideSky 53 insightful - 6 fun53 insightful - 5 fun54 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

    "Indoctrinate"

    Projection much?

    [–][deleted] 52 insightful - 2 fun52 insightful - 1 fun53 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    Wow. They've simultaneously overestimated "visibility by platform" and the general level of public support for TRA, and underestimated the will of the curious, and how much backchannel convo there's been around this for years.

    Long on tech savvy, maybe. But short on Psych101, common sense, and how people actually form, test out, and share ideas.

    [–]ThisSiteIsUnusable 45 insightful - 3 fun45 insightful - 2 fun46 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    the general level of public support for TRA, and underestimated the will of the curious

    And, frankly, underestimated the level of support for radical feminist ideas among libfems as long as they're not called radical feminist ideas. An awful lot of women who would swear blind that radfems were horrible mean bitter old fashioned hags will agree with radfem criticisms of surrogacy, prostitution, the unintended (by women) effects of the sex positivity movement, and even the primacy of the nuclear family as long as you don't mention the r-word.

    [–]BraveAndStunningTERF[S] 26 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    My final post on /r/uk before they banned me for wrong-speak was in a response to a TRA who was trying to goad me about /gc being banned, i remarked to him how liberal feminism was for men and radical feminism was for women, mods banned and reason given "I doubt you understand the difference between them" - OH please excuse my tiny female brain, i cannot possibly understand what radical feminism is and MUST be informed by a penis-haver! How the fuck did we get the point of men dictating what feminism is to women??? Just told em to straight fuck off, no fucks given, why bother being polite when they're insulting my intelligence to the point of treating me like a child. Idiots.

    [–][deleted] 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

    Absolutely true. And (holy crap) it sounds like quite a few of them are pushing through their r-word fear because of the antics of their woke boyfriends (!). Didn't expect that. 😄

    [–]RestingWitchface 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Sorry but what's the r-word?

    [–][deleted] 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    "Radfem."

    Love your username!

    [–]RestingWitchface 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Thanks 😄

    [–]JustAnotherRevanFan 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    The primacy of the nuclear family

    Really? The nuclear family is a trap set for women. Generational structures in which grandmothers aid mothers(grandfathers don't live long without medical intervention tbqh) is much better for both women and children.

    [–]homeless-g_c-mod 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I think Reddit and other male dominated sites in general always underestimate how many women use the internet and how given the opportunity, women will generally think for themselves and form their own communities and ideologies.

    [–][deleted] 50 insightful - 4 fun50 insightful - 3 fun51 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

    Yeah, cause women can't think for themselves uvu. We need trans women, men, and their handmaidens to tell us who we've been all along. /s

    I for one, found GC on my own after reading some news and seeing people scream terf at what seemed to be reasonable comments. My views haven't changed, it's just that the left has now deemed it radical when just a few years ago, most of them had the same view. It's not my view that's radical, it's theirs.

    [–]plantingprogress 35 insightful - 4 fun35 insightful - 3 fun36 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    Exactly. I didn’t leave the left on this stuff, they left me. My ‘radical opinion’ that women are xx and men are xy and men don’t belong in women’s changing rooms would’ve simply been met with a ‘no shit’ by everyone a decade ago (and I think the vast majority probably still believe that in secret, they just won’t say it).

    [–]kuronekochan 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I agree. My views have stayed the same over the last decade while the "discourse" has drastically changed. I've always thought gender non-conforming people should be protected, that transsexuals should be treated as their assumed sex, and that questioning people should be properly supported. But I've also recognized the biological basis of womanhood, and I refuse to conflate male and female in spaces in which the female sex is vulnerable.

    A decade ago, I did not know anyone who called themselves transgender. Limiting my social circle only to those I also knew ten years ago, I now know 4 middle-aged MTT, 3 childhood transitioners (MTT, FTT, FTT), and 2 adult FTT.

    [–]miaowkitty 41 insightful - 7 fun41 insightful - 6 fun42 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

    Joke is on them because GC getting banned made me peak like never before.

    [–]blahblahgcer 41 insightful - 3 fun41 insightful - 2 fun42 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    And egg_irl isn't recruiting? It definitely was part of why I thought I was trans and they link it EVERYWHERE. It could have (I unfortunately don't remember) been the first thing to cause me to think I'm trans.

    [–]homeless-g_c-mod 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah but sex changes for gender non-conforming kids is cool and woke now. egg_irl is doing a public service

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      [–]muomo 37 insightful - 2 fun37 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Indoctrinate? Guess they don't realize that not everyone needs to be told what to think, some of us are capable of forming our own thoughts. I didn't even know what gender critical was or even what radical feminism really meant, but found out through the GC sub that I definitely wasn't alone in my thoughts and that I wasn't crazy. They really think that by banning us, it'll make what we say no longer true? Or like nobody else will ever realize the BS that TRAs spew makes absolutely no sense when you think about it even just a little bit?

      r/GenderCritical may be gone, but guess what...transwomen are still not women.

      [–]homeless-g_c-mod 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      No amount of banning and deplatforming and threatening will change chromosomes and the human capacity for pattern recognition.

      [–]LasagnaRossa 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      r/GenderCritical may be gone, but guess what...transwomen are still not women.

      If we call a tail "leg", how many legs does a dog have?

      Always four, because a leg isn't actually a tail, even if we call them such.

      [–]JustAnotherRevanFan 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I definitely wasn't alone in my thoughts and that I wasn't crazy.

      This, this so much. I kept my thoughts on men being horrible to myself because I thought only evil legbeard man-haters think that, despite the well-backed data.

      [–]courage2courage 33 insightful - 9 fun33 insightful - 8 fun34 insightful - 9 fun -  (2 children)

      Recruitment platform? Where's my badge and starter pack??

      [–]yishengqingwa666 23 insightful - 8 fun23 insightful - 7 fun24 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

      I await my stipend for all my recruiting and stuff.

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 8 fun6 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

      Forget badge and starter pack, where's our coffee and donuts?

      [–]BrendaFricker 29 insightful - 3 fun29 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      If you have to forbid reading the words of your opposition, you know your beliefs can't stand up to argument.

      [–]BraveAndStunningTERF[S] 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      If you have to forbid reading the words of your opposition, you know your beliefs can't stand up to argument. Its a cult!

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        [–]misogynyiseternal 28 insightful - 4 fun28 insightful - 3 fun29 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        it's so so so f'ng insane that they banned the sub. i was an avid reader but never commented because i was scared to be found out on my real accounts and felt like a fraud making anonymous accounts but this has enraged me and i'm speaking up slowly in real life to my friends and family about the vile trans rights activists who actively want to harm and silence women. reddit is sick. im actually sickened thinking about all the rape subs that are active right now yet the admin team labels US hateful. puhlease.

        [–]starry 28 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Honestly, I only recently peaked due to the whole JKR business. Someone linked to r/GC and it made so much fucking sense. Like why am I pretending that my waiter is a waitress when everyone can see his five o'clock shadow and his adam's apple?

        I was never recruited. I saw "TERF" standpoints being defended and noticed I agreed with them.

        [–][deleted] 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        They are obsessed with what Gender Critical people say because their entire identity is based on how the public perceives them. We call them on their bullshit so it invalidates their whole self-perception. They stalk every single word we have to say and internalize everything.

        In such a desperate attempt to gain social acceptance from the masses, they make the fatal mistake of focusing solely on what critics say. As long as we have a platform to point out their flaws and ideological fallacies—they will find it and obsess over it (while simultaneously trying to deplatform us from everywhere).

        It’s frightening how fixated they are on our opinions—it’s almost like the existence of us confirms their charade is a lie. The car crash you can’t look away from.

        One must wonder if they also wish so desperately to be an authentic woman—that they seek out our groups to see “real feminine” thoughts not protected by the very veneer the trans cult demands is necessary outfitting for non-transphobic compliance.

        [–]purrfect 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        The delusions, the newspeak, the stupid. Most people peak because of them. The women that came to GC had peaked elsewhere exclusively thanks to their actions. They found GC, because they were pushed our way and that won't stop, because it's not us indoctrinating people, it's people trying to escape their cult.

        [–]PlannedParrotHood 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Exactly!

        [–][deleted] 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Indoctrinating lol. A lot of people like me went there for a good ol' hate read and started realising everything they were saying was making sense. Uncomfortable at first.

        [–]sxdcloud 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Funny,that's exactly how I feel about those TRA subs.

        [–]Alma_Esmeraude 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Reddit admins banning feminist / woman-centered subs like GC -- while sparing the grooming, pedophile, MRA, and explicit shock-porn boards the banhammer -- has only peaked more people and drawn more attention to TRA behavior.

        [–]homeless-g_c-mod 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Nearly everyone I know wound up on GC because they got called a TERF or a SWERF for being mildly critical about trans and sexpozzi dogma. They were all, "the fuck's a terf", and heard of this super hateful group. Started reading for context and found a super chill group of women who don't compromise their boundaries in the name of almighty inclusivity.

        [–]RealMapleFlavour 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        It's about scattering the ideology so that they can't organize.

        A tale as old as time.

        [–]vitunrotta 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

        Wow. They think the GC is the one doing the "indoctrinating?" I literally laughed out loud at that. Coming from a fringe-group of cult Christians (am an atheist now, btw!) I can 100% recognize the indoctrination - and specifically, WHO is doing it and who isn't. Like someone already said, if you really believe in what you say, you'll have no trouble allowing people test your ideas and challenging them. I was never even part of the original Reddit GC but happened to find this site by a half accident. I almost cried tears of joy because I literally thought the entire world had gone mad. I am so glad to be here, you have no idea ladies. :)

        [–]CaliforniGinger 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Heh, there are several of us former cultic Christians turned atheistic radical feminists (zomg!!!!!) here! I grew up in the homeschool Quiverfull flavor and painfully went through every single thing I believed for a year before deconverting. TRA really does fit the no-charismatic-leader cult criteria to a T.

        [–]vitunrotta 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Agree wholeheartedly. I am super glad to see a sister from another badly-indoctrinated-mister here. We are together now! Would love to hear more about your story, PM if you like. If not, that is also very okay because I am not here to impose myself on anyone. :)

        [–]CaliforniGinger 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Sure, I'm quite open about it!

        Parents were in ministry so "Extra Christian." Started homeschooling us for reasons like better education, not wanting us to be bullied, etc. Sucked into quiverfull ideology over time, though not quite to the extent others were - we never went dresses only, for example. Both parents are on the autism spectrum, and my dad also has BPD, so that both harmed and helped our development. One younger brother was allowed to dress up in my sister's play bridal outfit, paint his nails, etc., and there was no thought of punishing him for it. (He did turn out to be gay, but they didn't realize they should be "suspicious" of feminine behavior, and encouraged my other brothers to feel free in the same way, they just didn't want to as much).

        Both sets of grandparents were old fashioned fundies of the "card games are evil" and "painted nails are slutty" type, so my parents were being very progressive in their own way.

        There was a LOT of damaging purity teaching in our household and all our books/media was strongly censored. However, as the rebel in the family I snuck quite a lot of smutty books and believe that was a huge factor in me turning out better balanced than the rest of my siblings.

        My father was emotionally abusive to everyone, but I was the scapegoat so got the worst of it. My teen years were a nightmare of nitpicking and scolding and heart racing whenever he was around. Interestingly, when studying dysfunctional families it turns that scapegoat is the best family "role" for getting out of the dysfunction. I have always been extremely ambitious and motivated and the culture tried to stifle me. I was the first to seriously question stuff in my family but a sister followed pretty soon after. For a while we thought about just hiding our true beliefs the rest of our lives - that's how powerful the enmeshment was - but then decided to come out as atheists. I did lose close friends from it, but my family responded better than I expected.

        10+ years on, most of my siblings are atheist/agnostic, only one still is a conservative Christian, my parents have changed a lot and my mom while still a Christian is not what I'd call cultic anymore. My father is not really in his right mind and sadly I don't think he ever will be. He should never have been forced to be a "family patriarch," that was all wrong for a fragile abused person with BPD. Everyone in the family is in various degrees of recovery from religious trauma and when I compare where we used to be to where we are now, I'm so happy at how much we are thriving.

        I think the hardest part was facing the truth, after that it was almost a piece of cake to learn that I deserve to be happy and to chase what I want, and to work to learn basic social things. I was terrible at attracting men beforehand which I thought meant I was ugly, but turned out it was social anxiety and lack of skills, not being ugly; I learned a lot as I started dating a bunch, fell in love and had a dreadful breakup, then abruptly met my now husband. We have been REALLY good for each other and ignoring the state of the world (haha as if) we're annoyingly happy. So that's my story! Feel free to share yours!

        [–]vitunrotta 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Wow. Thank you so much for sharing. For the first time (perhaps ever?) I think I can quite sincerely say "I know how that feels." Your story reminds me a lot of my older sister's story. I myself am the youngest in our family and in many ways had it easier growing up - probably because by the time I was a teenager, my depressed mother (with other mental issues) didn't have the energy nor the interest to care too much what sinful things I was doing, heh. Nevertheless all of us kids (5 in total) suffered one way or another. I guess my eldest brother is the only one who felt like he was wanted and has had a pretty unproblematic life.

        My parents are members of lestadianism (very small movement within the Christian church - like a sect). Recently a part of this group officially "departed" from the church entirely as it was too open-minded in their opinion. So yeah, now that part is kind of like a cult.

        In my case it was my mother who was the "head" of the household, and let me tell you... Crazy religious AND mentally ill is a pretty fucked up combo. Also, being a woman and religious like that pretty much makes you a woman-hating woman. In order to survive mentally (and not thrive, literally just survive) you kind of have to internalize all that misogyny.

        My father was quite absent but used to be the more liberal one. I enjoyed spending time with him in my early teens. We'd play Tomb Raider together, and I even watched some Queer Eye with him. Lo and behold, he has since had a massive change of heart. By that I mean a literal heart attack first - which I think made him question his beliefs and turned him into an ultra conservative religious nutter (sorry if that sounds insensitive but alas... it's true).

        I guess seeing feminism turn into a very cult-like movement almost made me peak out of feminism entirely at some point. Their shaming and cancelling, their lingo, their general shit attitude towards anyone who dared to disagree even in the slightest... Libfems definitely feel like a religious cult nowarays. I was not aware there were other people like me, who questioned things and refused to just blindly accept everything. I certainly have a strong aversion towards this kind of "sheeple" behaviour - thanks to my religious upbringing and dysfunctional family. I simply cannot stand people who demand you to just shut up and swallow all the shit. I'm seeing SO MUCH of that in this gender ideology specifically. It makes my blood boil. Old memories come rushing back.

        So, in a way - oddly enough - my horrible experiences in a misogynist religious sect have allowed me to see things more clearly and not shy away from criticizing things that seem odd or wrong.

        [–]IStandWithHer 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        This is actually kinda funny and strangely satisfying. THEY'RE AFRAID. THEY'RE TOTALLY AFRAID. And the reason why they're afraid is mostly because JKR pulled this whole insanity into the limelight.

        [–]Apricot_Ibex 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        “What a wonderful pride month present,” as if plenty of TIMs don’t harass lesbians. Lesbians who want spaces for themselves are being driven out of Reddit.

        And as if TRAs aren’t going around trying to aggressively convert and “trans” every single gender nonconforming young person they can with this “egg” bullshit, and celebrating when some little 5 year old boy becomes a “girl” because he picked out a pink shirt.

        What “peaked” me was reading TRAs’ OWN WORDS on Reddit and Twitter screaming about bashing women and forcing them to suck their “girldick” while propagating weirdass bimbo fetish porn and cat-ear hentai. No, I don’t think all transgender people are like that by any means. I don’t think anyone should go around harassing or harming a trans person. But the most virulent TRAs are abusive, narcissistic men and they are totally getting off on invading women’s spaces. Straight men with misogynistic fetishes getting off on harassing women should NOT be lumped in with LBG individuals. They have nothing to do with each other. It just took TRAs’ OWN WORDS for me to see this. GC did not “brainwash” me. 🙄

        [–]RestingWitchface 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        Can someone explain why they keep posting crab emojis?

        [–]where 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        it's a reference to the crab rave video, ppl post it or crab emojis to celebrate the death of something

        [–]JustAnotherRevanFan 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I think it's the Crab Rave meme

        [–]womeninlove 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        I believe it is a reference to:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

        Which doesn't fit at all.

        [–]InvisibleWoman 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        That makes no sense. Perhaps it's an illustration of the tim's thinking "if I can't be a woman neither can you?"

        [–]womeninlove 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        It wouldn't be the first time they almost became self aware.

        [–]BraveAndStunningTERF[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        "I'll be a fucking crab instead, take that terfs!!"

        [–]chrysthefeminist 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

        They can't be crabs either. They are, alas, just men.

        [–]BraveAndStunningTERF[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        Crabby men haha

        [–]womeninlove 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I will never understand how AHS isn't considered a MASSIVE breach of the rule against brigading.

        [–]LustyTweed 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Well their plan fucking backfired then. The news about all the ban shit has been exposing me to more feminist and critical groups than ever before.

        [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I don't think they understand they're the ones peaking people. I wasn't recruited. I just listened to them, like they so much wanted and ended up doubting everything I thought I knew. And the fact they're banning everything everywhere will just make more people aware of their bullshit, in my opinion. Just remember, at some point in history the wrong side was considered the "right" side. The mainstream isn't always right, as proved so many times in the past, and I can't doubt for a moment that eventually the majority of people will wake up to the madness. It can take years, but they will.

        [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Recruiting. What a joke. Sheer projection by the TRAS.

        Hive mind. 1984 is here.

        “You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty, and then we shall fill you with ourselves.” ― George Orwell, 1984

        [–]EllaRoxy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        So science is now hate speech? Lesbians wanting to date people that don’t have a penis is now hate speech? We aren’t recruiting anyone, this sub is full of people that believe in common fucking sense. I have no problem with Transpeople having rights. I have a problem with them calling me a bigot because I don’t want to fucking date them. I also don’t want fucking men in a locker room with me or bathroom. But I’m the crazy one? Lol

        [–]flickumbicus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Recruitment. LMFAO. We never did any such thing. People got peaked and found us. Many lurked just to see how "hateful" we were and when they realized we weren't, they joined.

        [–]msteacherlady 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Yup! Years ago I had been banned from /feminism with a note that said they would not give me a reason and if I asked for an explanation they'd escalate my punishment. All of this from what I must assume was an argument I had in their sub with some brigading misogynist. I guess they misinterpreted my castigation as agreement?!? After that experience left a sour taste in my mouth I continued to lurk there (couldn't post thought) and kept participating in other subs. Got chewed out along with another gal for simply asking how a trans boy felt different than we did growing up, us being "tomboys" and all. Then an irl friend posted on Facebook that he thought the women's march seemed "terfy", the very march my pregnant ass marched in. His friends commented a bunch of things about terfs and at that point I just had to investigate further. I mean, if real people I actually know and not just anon on the internet are saying this stuff...Everything said against terfs was always so vague and contradictory. Kept seeing GC mentioned again and again as a hateful sub, but in vague, contradictory ways. Like, really, how can not saying a pronoun LITERALLY be violence. Come the fuck on. After the millionth post on TrollX "Tee hee girls I got my first bra, I feel so valid!" I thought, I'm so fucking tired of this shit and finally, finally checked out GC. As suspected, TRAs were just talking out of their asses. There's some kooks on there, there's even some rad fem values that I don't align with, but the VERY PREMIS of GC they get completely wrong. So I joined because it's the only halfway sane place where a TiM isn't going to butt in with a counter-experience to my lived experience as a woman.

        [–]vijfkeervier 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        They're not done brigading the remaining subs yet. I saw one guy suggesting that they could report stuff from locked subs by having someone who already has access (hate subscriber or something) copy links for the others to report.

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