You know what made reddit shitty? It wasn't the dev team (they were shitty too), it wasn't the website flaws, and it wasn't the banwave of censorship. It was the people. It was you guys.

submitted by zeusdx1118 from self.SaidIt

And if you don't want this website to be like that, don't act like that here. Don't act like saidit is just another reddit to carry over your bullshit after the banwave. Don't act like the point of being here is just to avoid reddit's rules, but meanwhile continue the same old shit acting like it will somehow be different.

If you want this website to succeed, YOU need to be better than that.

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[–]theoracle 72 insightful - 3 fun72 insightful - 2 fun73 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

I am pretty sure that reddits situation is down to the mods and admins, which is down to the platform allowing them to be ahole dictators. Much better to give people the option to switch them off or to someone else, otherwise we will just have to keep forking into more and more sites.

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/5dcx/idea_for_a_new_type_of_platform_a_tagging_based/

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    [–]Extract 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    On a slightly related note, it seems after the last ban-wave, quite a few of concern trolling posts like the OP have started appearing around here.

    While I'm personally not in favor of the truly moronic anti-semitic comments that appear on some /s/all posts, it's still crucial that the way they're dealt with is not removal, but upvoting comments calling them out instead.

    The much more worrying trend is threads like this starting to pop up, especially from new accounts (who claim to be reddit refugees, but cannot be verified).

    This is how hostile infiltration of any platform starts - we need to be extremely vigilant, and remind people of this very thing.
    So far the users here have been calling out the bullshit - it's important we remember to not relent on this, as the shills sure as hell wont.

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      [–]Extract 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You get better /s/all content by subbing to your favorite non-political subs and upvoting apolitical content there.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      While I'm personally not in favor of the truly moronic anti-semitic comments

      I want to make it clear that the functional members of the alt-right want this gone as well (we'd like removal of the incels too). Ideally, I'd like a platform that promotes rationalism above all else with a calm and collected user base.

      [–]OffAndSphere 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      optional moderation finally gets added

      six months pass

      "Hey guys, welcome back to F##kNig####YT! Today I'll be showing you how to optimize your moderation settings on Saidit."

      "First off, do not use sort by new, unless you want to turn your experience into a carbon copy of 4chan's."

      "u/discussionmasterbot is a great community moderation bot that bans lots of dumb one-liners like 'nazi'."

      "Take a look at the value multipliers for insightful and funny upvotes. You can fiddle with them so you can view comments that are mainly funny or insightful. There's also ratio settings that can compare stuff like comments, upvotes, and loads of other information to help deal with bait or certain types of annoying, unproductive comments. Oh, did I mention you can save different types of sorting methods?"

      "That's all for today, be sure to hit the like button if you enjoyed this video, and if you want to see more, consider subscribing to my channel!"

      [–]theoracle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I like your post, but I think choosing moderators could be quite easy with say a ranked list. If could get more obscure for particular types of moderation like for pyramids etc. I guess people will discuss these etc and that's how you'll find them. I think whole topics will form around just the various moderation styles themselves.

      This is so obviously the future to me I am surprised it hasn't been done still yet. The first site to nail this down will dominate, it is so obviously better. It basically allows for all sites, topics, and users to coexist on one platform.

      [–]EpiCabbage 52 insightful - 1 fun52 insightful - 0 fun53 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Pretty sure it was the censorship, sure there were a lot of idiots on reddit (ie the mainstream) but the fact that that was forced onto everyone non-mainstream was the issue. Companies shouldn't have a say in politics, given the corporations solely exist to make profit and will always side with the majority, amorally.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You make a number of good points.

      Censorship prevents the free exchange of information that is necessary for making informed opinions and decisions.

      Interest groups (corporations, states, investors, etc.) all align in every cooperate media outlet to suppress and censor the public's ability of learn the relevant factual inflation.

      Factual information will often negatively impact the interests of those groups.

      Controlling information controls:

      • The limits of debates and discussion.
      • Discussion of relevant ideas/details/historical factors that affect any given debated issue.
      • The number of potential solutions that can be considered for any given issue.

      What we don't know can't hurt them, so we aren't allowed to know.

      Profit is only one of the many benefits of the control of information/perception.

      Profit is also a common scapegoat for actual malice (aka corporate "incompetence", etc.).

      It's an easy excuse, and the media generally accepts that answer because it relieves powerful groups of moral accountability.

      IMO: Blaming most problems on corporate greed is a classic example of how censorship controls public perception, and controls the limits of debate.

      [–]suckitreddit 44 insightful - 1 fun44 insightful - 0 fun45 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      It was coming from the top though. The moderation, and admins destroyed reddit.

      [–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      And don't forget, many of us either were long time lurkers that were totally hands-off during the nose dive or were one of the first pushed out of the plane. I myself only hopped in when it I thought the inflection point was near (spez attacking the Donald and the quarantining of https://TheDonald.win back when it was an /r). I literally can't be blame for taking the plane down and ONLY jumped in to try to try to pull up. But as they say, the rest is history.

      Also thanks for reminding me to recreate all the banned subs.

      [–]theoracle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I was a long time lurker, and never had a reddit account. Wow was I in for a shock when I made my first actually only a few months ago. The place is literally a hell hole for free expression.

      [–]WooWhoVintage 30 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

      Our sub (r/barefootandpregnant) was the least offensive sub on Reddit. We got trolled, attacked and threaten constantly with deletion. Over and over again we had to prove there was no hate or supremacy in the sub. Barefoot and pregnant was just a bunch moms talking about babies, husbands and recipes.

      [–]shveya 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      What hate did they try and accuse you of? I'm sorry you guys got attacked and trolled.

      [–]WooWhoVintage 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      We got accused of:

      • Hatred against minorities but they lost because one of our mods is a minority.
      • Hatred against Jews but the sub creator is an Orthodox Jew
      • Hatred against gays but we pointed out that we're only discussing natural conception
      • Hatred against women but all us mods are women

      Eventually we configured automod to make it that ALL posts and comments required moderator approval. Shortly after that we got 100s of posts filled with white supremacy propaganda, anti-homosexual and later a small amount child porn. Fortunately, because everything needed approval none of it was in the actual sub.

      [–]divingrightintowork 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Wait what sub were you?

      [–]WooWhoVintage 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      /r/barefootandpregnant We left before they could permanently ban us.

      [–]divingrightintowork 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Haha I'm guessing that's a tradwife sub? (No judgement - ah yep, just looked). I am guessing a tradwife sub would be safer than... a lot of stuff, but who knows... shit is cray.

      [–]WooWhoVintage 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      More or less it's a tradwife sub. Personally, I just can't get over the hostility towards a group of women that want to talk about babies, cooking, marriage, etc.

      [–]divingrightintowork 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I can understand why people have a hard time with the idea, just like I can understand why people have a hard time understand getting their heads around why a bunch of men want to get to get ahold of her and talk about men's stuff. But they all need to get over their selves

      [–]Chipit 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Making them feel bad.

      Literally that's it. You can imagine the feels they got from a sub with a name like that. It's offensive, regardless of the content. In fact if the content is innocent it's even worse.

      [–]Wrencer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      Wait, you got banned ?

      [–]WooWhoVintage 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      They tried to ban us several times. We were actually once banned for several hours but we won on that one. It was latter made very clear to us that we were not welcome to be on reddit and that the 1st time we make a mistake the sub would be gone.

      [–]Wrencer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      But there wasn't any hatred going on tho ? I've just visited your subsaidit and I mean, it's your right to be a traditional person. I don't see the "hatred" in that.

      [–]WooWhoVintage 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      What can I say? Reddit is anti-traditional people, anti-nuclear family and anti-heterosexual. The fact that many of us want to be housewives and stay at home mothers and married to XY chromosome males must have been terrifying to them. Unfortunately, it's extremely difficult getting subscribers to our sub on saidit.

      [–]TrannyStoleMyBike 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      You just need more trans women with uterus implants and you’ll be fine.

      [–]WooWhoVintage 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      LOL

      [–]Wrencer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I'm sorry about that : ( Wishing you good luck to gather users here. May I also suggest ruqqus ?

      [–]WooWhoVintage 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I've never heard of the site but I'll check it out.

      [–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Any talk of the women existing or biology being real is considered hated.

      It's due to the fact it causes autogynephiliacs to have a narcissistic collapse.

      See https://youtu.be/ue1-T1BpctU

      [–]Honestanonymous 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It wasn't everyone dude it was a section of radicals who censored everything with their little tribal group

      [–]Questionable 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

      So it wasn't the shell company for the CCP, that holds a controlling interest in the company, paid reddit 150 million dollars to push propaganda, social change and censorship?
      Look, if you don't know what's going on, don't tip up a thread blaming everyone around you. Especially if you think the ban wave was justified. If you actually think that, then go back to reddit. It must be perfect now that all us undesirables are gone.

      [–][deleted] 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      We should ban Chinese investment. They're literally paying companies like Reddit to make Americans and other westerners into Communists. And don't get me started on how they own Hollywood. Every movie that's made has to go through the CCP.

      [–]Nelumbo 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (11 children)

      r/China is literally just a redditor circlejerk about how Xi Jinping is worse than Hitler, amazing propaganda there. Your conspiracy theory is dumb.

      What made reddit shitty was the powermods banning everyone they didn't like.

      [–]sudd3nclar1ty 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      List of websites banned in China is loooonnng and does not include Reddit.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China

      CCP-controlled Tencent is a major investor in Reddit.

      https://www.visiontimes.com/2019/02/22/ccp-controlled-tencent-inserts-tentacles-into-reddit.html

      Not an accident. 2 + 2 != 5

      [–]Nelumbo 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      That article is outdated, at the bottom Wikipedia offers a link to check if a site is banned. Testing reddit there https://viewdns.info/chinesefirewall/ shows that, yes, reddit is banned in china. More confirmation here. Like, did you even read your own link? The visiontimes.com page says reddit is banned in the opening paragraph.

      Tinfoil hatters get wrecked.

      [–]sudd3nclar1ty 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      Well TIL. No problem, I was surprised it wasn't already censored.

      Doesn't change the argument that CCP money equals influence and that the result is propaganda, censorship and repression. Maybe you'd like to take your victory lap around tiananmen square?

      [–]Nelumbo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Doesn't change the argument that CCP money equals influence and that the result is propaganda, censorship and repression.

      you believe the U.S. engages in none of those things? tencent only owns about 5% of reddit, censorship on the website is the fault of americans.

      Maybe you'd like to take your victory lap around tiananmen square?

      k if you take one around abu ghraib

      [–]sudd3nclar1ty 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      It's quite telling that you'd reason with 'whataboutism.' I'd be the first to criticize US imperialism at home and abroad. The DHS brownshirts in Portland are an abomination. These facts don't change the genocide being perpetrated by the CCP.

      Locking immigrant children in cages is equally horrifying as 're-educating' Uighers in concentration camps. Being able to openly discuss these issues is the point I've been making, a luxury being curtailed on media platforms and obviously banned in China.

      But hey, you are out here wrecking tin foil hats serving what cause and which master?

      [–]Nelumbo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      It's quite telling that you'd reason with 'whataboutism.'

      In regards to Abu Ghraib, you're the one who started it by bringing up Tiananmen out of nowhere. Who said I support all the actions of the CCP?

      Being able to openly discuss these issues is the point I've been making, a luxury being curtailed on media platforms and obviously banned in China.

      I don't support China's censorship of speech, neither do I support Americans censorship of speech. Pointing out that Americans are doing this is not whataboutism, since Reddit, the subject of the thread, is owned by them.

      But hey, you are out here wrecking tin foil hats serving what cause and which master?

      That master would be "the truth". China is not censoring Reddit.

      [–]sudd3nclar1ty 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      That's like saying the NBA censored the Houston Rockets' Daryl Morey after he tweeted about HK because the NBA doesn't care about human rights or the fate of HK. They just care about the money more.

      It's obvious that the NBA didn't want to inflame the CCP mission to crush HK independence because it would cost them money. Tencent is not an investor in the NBA, yet they kowtow to the CCP and throw human rights under the bus. Point of OP was allowing the CCP to invest in Reddit opens them to criticism. Don't know why you'd dismiss that as a conspiracy and flatly state CCP doesn't censor Reddit.

      Your pointing out that Americans also censor doesn't get the CCP off the hook, hence why I callout your aims as you continue to make these false equivalencies in order to avoid saying admitting that the CCP has a history of censorship and money is influence.

      That's shouldn't be so hard for someone committed to the 'truth'?

      [–]Nelumbo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Don't know why you'd dismiss that as a conspiracy and flatly state CCP doesn't censor Reddit.

      What's your proof of CCP censoring Reddit? Why haven't they turned r/China into a pro-CCP sub? Why is r/HongKong anti-CCP with a top post promoting a revolution? If they're in control they're doing an awful job of censoring... and what's with the fixation on some Chinese people owning 5%? Why does nobody care who the owners of the other 95% are and what their intentions may be?

      hence why I callout your aims as you continue to make these false equivalencies in order to avoid admitting that the CCP has a history of censorship and money is an influence.

      The CCP has a history of censorship and money is an influence. I said it, are you happy?

      Same is true for the U.S. government lol

      [–]sockpuppetposter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Exactly this. It's not political or ideological per se, it’s biased because of the power mods’ bias (if the power mods were mostly right wing, the bias would be the other way around).

      If they disallowed users from having dozens of subs from the get go, and if the admins didn’t promote said subs intentionally making those power mods insanely powerful, that would not have become a problem.

      [–]Questionable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      My theory can't be dumb, because at no point did I propose one.

      [–]mongre 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

      [–]Prism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Unironically this.

      [–]Prism 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Almost all of us are here because of the obvious political bias present on reddit and the unbelievably broken upvote/downvote system that promotes dumb groupthink where the majority can literally just hide comments that they don't agree with, without ever actually addressing them. That's why reddit is the home of the far left pro censorship NPCs who enjoy silencing outside opinions rather than debating them - anybody with a brain has already realized this and has already moved away from reddit.

      We warned the virtue signallers like J.K Rowling that defending others' freedom of speech was defending her own by extension. She didn't agree and now the beast that she helped to create has turned on her because she committed wrongthink.

      This place is anti-censorship first and foremost. Anyone who disagrees with that should stay on reddit because they might have a heart attack reading some of the naughty opinions posted here.

      [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 9 fun10 insightful - 8 fun11 insightful - 9 fun -  (5 children)

      shut the fuck up nigger

      [–]Uncle-Ruckus 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      People can get away with comments like this on this site. One (albeit poor) example of why this site is so much better.

      [–]Prism 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      I think this is an excellent example of why this site is so much better. If you were to say this on reddit there's absolutely no doubt that you'd be permabanned, and before that happened you can bet that the crowd of tolerance would crawl through your post history in the hopes of being able to find your employer/family and tell them how much of a naughty boy you've been on the internet.

      Reddit is fucking retarded. And gay.

      [–]Uncle-Ruckus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      Reddit is fucking retarded. And gay.

      Yeah, I just got site wide shadow banned by a power mod from my Reddit alt I made after purging my original account. All I got banned for was pointing out misinformation which wasn’t even a matter of opinion, just fact. I’m not making another account there and giving them the traffic.

      [–]theoracle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I think it's time to give up on reddit, it's a lost cause. The few subs I follow have really diminished since the ban wave. Once we have a platform with optional moderation things can be built properly.

      [–]medium_tomato 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Can you be more specific? I came here because of the censorship. I rarely posted anything on reddit and mostly lurked for a decade. Now I'm trying to post here more to help make it more active. I'm even considering starting a new (non political) hobby sub. What kinds of things are you saying should be avoided?

      [–]Edvin 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      u/buttbhttinator pointed out how OP is telling people of left ideology to leave the site so most likely when they say bullshit they are talking about people who disagree with their political beliefs. You should definitely make your sub! The more subs and content we have the more the site will grow! Would you mind if I inquired about what hobby?

      [–]medium_tomato 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I want to create an alternative fashion sub. I just can't decide if I should make it more specific, or more general. I dabble in multiple styles and it would be cool to have a central place with all kinds of inspo.

      Fashion communities tend to be jsut a little bit callous to outsiders who don't understand yet, and newbies who get their feelings easily hurt and can't handle that just because they want to be wearing a certain fashion, their first attempt doesn't quite make it. A lot of groups tend to become hugboxes which I want to avoid, but I also want to avoid toxic posts that bring people down about their looks, bodies, etc. Also certain types of alt fashion inherently clash, and sometimes fetishists try to co-opt innocent fashions. I would like it to not become a sub taken over by those types of people either... So I guess I'm not really sure how to balance free posting and keeping order.

      [–]Edvin 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      That sounds awesome! I can't speak much to fashion as it's something that always sort of escaped me a bit. I think general would be the way to go at the start since the site is small and you can make a second more specific sub later. You could enforce rules and general guidelines about not body shaming people. I'm afraid I can't offer tons of advice as I'm not much into fashion but I encourage you to make the sub! Just try and post lots and try to draw some more people. To discourage hug boxes you could also put a guideline perhaps for posters to be more open to constructive criticism so long as it is constructive. Maybe you could use flairs to separate people who are looking for constructive criticism and those looking just to share their fashion. Hopefully I was of some help :)

      [–]medium_tomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Okay I did the thing! There is now s/AlternativeFashion . I really hope more people join even if they aren't into wearing it themselves. I have no idea how to promote this sub so fingers crossed.

      Thank you for the encouragement!

      [–]TokLwdSaNthg 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      "You've got a real nice place here. It'd be a real shame if anything were to... happen to it. If you know what I mean"

      [–]buttbuttinator 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      The problem was people like you who took the whole thing way too seriously and tried to get rid of people for saying things you didn't like, like you did here

      [–]Edvin 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Honestly kind of surprised this isn't removed by a mod or admin, telling someone as blatantly as that to leave the site with that kind of ideology is completely against the pyramid of debate and goes against the freedom of speech this website is based on.

      [–]Canbot 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      Well that's about as vague and meaningless as you could make it.

      [–]Edvin 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      u/buttbhttinator pointed out how OP is taking things far too seriously and trying to remove or suppress people who are too left leaning for them, so when they say bullshit it really comes across as people who are more left than them lol.

      [–]proc0 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Well, going from this shitty post, there's no evidence that OP is not one of them. These shitty people typically project their flaws unto others while making accusations... ok seriously, what happened was that the non-shitty people kept leaving because there were nonsense rules and features continuously rolling out. On top of shitty features and rules, the leadership showed bias towards a certain culture and killed any semblance of free speech, and finally banning/censoring mercilessly which is driving out the latest wave of peops.

      [–]africant 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      this. funny to see a lot of the same human garbage come here and attempt to recreate their utopia

      [–]Locke 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I'm glad other people are saying this.

      [–]whistlepig 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Partially... I agree. But mainly it was the introduction of subreddit mods that opened the door to censorship and the massage amount of group think that we have grown use to. I don't think everyone is aware, but for the first 3 years there were no subreddits or mods. The whole point of the voting system was so that the platform would be self-moderating and individual users could choose what specific voting level they wanted to view.

      [–]PATGUI 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      As sites gain popularity they inevitably go to shit. /r/funny was funny, r/wtf when was really wtf then it became lolwhat? Tons more. If a sub surpasses 30k subscribers usually goes to shit because everybody and their mother need to share their opinion.

      [–]forgottenpasswordguy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      My problem with reddit was collectivism, identity politics, blanket statements, that kind of stuff. I'm seeing a lot of it here just with different groups. I think the world, and the internet, would be a better place if everyone started seeing people as individuals instead of members of (group).

      [–]BadWolf_Corporation 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah, that's really dumb.

      It was absolutely the Admins and censorship that made Reddit shitty. When you have a website that was built on the premise of free speech and the free exchange of ideas, and then you start censoring ideas and speech that you disagree with, you alienate the people who built your site in the first place.

      [–]GST893 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      The problem with reddit is that it is a completely controlled platform. The user behavior was a symptom of a horrible site, not the other way around. Freedom is the solution, not dictating people's behavior.

      [–]Edvin 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The problem is that OP seems like they want a controlled platform as pointed out by u/buttbhttinator

      [–]solder0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I'm going to take a gander here; the naysayers on this thread used the downvote button as a disagree button. While you could say this is the fault of the administration/moderators as well given the additional consequences that come from negative "karma", I'll just point out that anyone who used the downie knowing just what the consequences are has absolutely no fucking business calling other people "sensitive", or making any jokes involving the ol' cup 'o tears.

      [–]Edvin 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      When you say this thread do you mean SaidIt? Last I checked we don't have downvotes. Unless you have unlocked the power and are using it for evil? Please don't downvote me.

      [–]solder0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      What? No, I mean on reddit.

      [–]smokratez 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Can you name the jew here?

      [–]joeytundra 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Okay Commie

      [–]Breadman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      What made reddit bad was/is the corporate infiltration. The native advertising on that website is off the charts

      [–]Shadow_Death 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      It was reddit selling out to Tencent that started a lot of it. Although it can be traced back further. When the original owner passed away and that one chick took over she started making changes that pissed reddit off so she stood down and now we've got Hitler's wet dream running things.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It happened far before that. Zionists still own reddit. Tencent just dished out money.

      [–]uwubunny 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It was the mods and it was the forum structure. It's poison to a large site to bury unpopular opinions.

      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No, it was the shithead woke motherfuckers still ON that faggy site. The BASED bois are here and on voat now.

      [–]m68k 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I never used Reddit, please define who "you guys" refers to.

      While people in Reddit may had acted like "know it all" assholes, that's not what brought Reddit down to becoming shit.

      [–]Nwabudike_Morgan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I think most people have failed to see what really happened: reddit is controlled by bots, automation tools, and social media companies. There is a silent partnership between reddit and those companies, and there are rivalries between them, but they all have sophisticated tools that allow them to create accounts, farm for karma, and then boost / shutdown stories and comments that align with their client's interests.

      There is absolutely no reason for an obscure thread in a 50k subscriber subreddit to attract dozens of upvotes / downvotes, but it consistently happens if you engage with one of the social media accounts. They monitor their user accounts, and if their message gets challenged, they sent out a distress call. Anonymous accounts arrive and "correct" the conversation.

      For me the strangest event was when someone known as Human Controller posted a video of an alleged self-solving Rubik's Cube. There were several videos, but the big seller was one made for Tested, where the cube was shown a a "Bay Area Maker Fair". Dozens of random accounts would reply with comments like, "Oh, I see you were at the maker fair," or "I just saw this at the maker fair." The video itself was a Michael Bay's Transformers production quality fake, but everyone insisted that it was legitimate. Of course there were plenty of real people contributing to the votes, but supported by the invisible social media hand.

      (Human Controller eventually posted a floating cube as a not-so-subtle spoiler of the video manipulation.)

      [–]KennyLogins 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Soapbox.

      [–]Fitter_Happier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No, it was the banwave of censorship. Your failure to make convincing arguments left censorship your only option for changing minds. So now you're able to continue to bullshit everyone on Reddit with the obvious lies you can't defend.

      [–]Ossidiana 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Excuse me, but no. NO. Reddit actively drove away people who didn't conform to the hivemind. Reddit actively discouraged certain topics but allowed others. And now you're trying to blame it on the people who were silenced? Forgive me for the hyperbole, but it's the same as saying that a woman was raped because she was asking for it or that the Jews brought nazism upon themselves. Don't be ridiculous.

      [–]everythings 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Lol I didn’t start participating until it was too late.

      I won’t make that mistake again

      [–]0O_O0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      magnora7 makes this place shitty, but has plenty of help.

      [–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No you

      [–]TokLwdSaNthg 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid. - Kierkegaard