There's some censorship going on in the newly popular feminist subs and it needs to be openly addressed.

rdh2121 · 2020-06-30T17:34:54+00:00

whatever happened to "if you don't like something don't look at it"?

It's still alive and well. If you don't like a comment someone made on /s/GenderCritical, hide it and move on. If the sub is on /s/all, the sub is not a safe space, and exists for all users on Saidit. If that's not what the users of /s/GenderCritical want, all you have to do is remove yourselves from /s/all, and you can be as exclusive as you like.

Saidit was created to combat exclusion and censorship. You came here for that very acceptance of diverse viewpoints, so that's what you're getting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-14T16:01:15+00:00

Subs are allowed to limit open discussion as long as they remove themselves from /s/all, which GC has done. I think this is a reasonable trade-off, since any post you find on the frontpage will be open to all points of view.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-12T18:22:57+00:00

In a vacuum, I'd say you're right, but the way Reddit and other private platforms have been treating unpopular speech for the past decade or so is representative of a troubling cultural shift in the mainstream that is definitely worth talking about just as much as joblessness and the general economic downturn.

Full disclosure, I'm not a superstraighter, but I am enjoying the shit they're stirring up.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T16:41:45+00:00

For me it was deleting my comments with Automoderator and not notifying me about it. I kept having to open my own comments in private windows just to make sure they weren't being deleted.

Then, when they are deleted, you have to spend a half hour playing whack-a-mole with the Automod trying to figure out what about your comment was triggering it.

That and powermods banning any comments contributing to discussion that happen to go against the mods' narrative, leaving the majority of subs as nothing more than huge circlejerking echo chambers.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T20:46:18+00:00

Saidit is whatever we make it. I've been through /new/ whenever I have free time to try to counter some of the crazy propaganda coming through, especially the bigger, more important subs like /s/politics and /s/Coronavirus, but I can only do so much.

If you want Saidit to be a balanced place with free discussion from all directions, please post yourselves, and comment on extremist posts pointing out their flaws so that newcomers to Saidit know that we want open dialogue and don't brook propaganda.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T18:36:30+00:00

Since d3rr is one of the founders of the site, I think they'd know...

rdh2121 · 2020-07-15T03:00:43+00:00

Yeah, /s/pinkpillfeminism still hasn't done that even though I've reported them multiple times. :/

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T21:46:37+00:00

Posts like "FUCK MEN FUCK MEN FUCK MEN YALL EAT A DICK" should absolutely be allowed, especially on a sub like /s/pinkpillfeminism, but if the comments removed are in good faith and are high on the PoD, then the admins should definitely look into the mod's behavior.

Admins, is there any way for users to see what the content of the removed comments was? Do you think all of the removed comments constitute comments that should have been removed?

Edit: And no sooner have I defended them here than I've been banned from there as well. /u/d3rr, /u/magnora7, are you looking into these bans? My comment probably deserved to be deleted, but I don't think I deserve to be censored from that community permanently without warning. Any thoughts on what's happening, and whether my ban can be overturned, would be appreciated.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-15T04:51:51+00:00

You were too good for this shit, Dr Fauci. You went above and beyond the call of duty and did literally everything you could. Go enjoy your retirement and rest easy knowing that we have huge respect for you and the fantastic work you've done.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T14:22:28+00:00

So... I'm still getting used to Saidit. Do I still click the little laughing face if a post is batshit retarded but funny because of that?

rdh2121 · 2020-07-14T16:40:07+00:00

Be the change you want to see. You can't be silenced here for your disagreement, so please post the type of content you'd like to see, especially on places like /s/politics! I've been trying to go through all of the blatantly biased posts there and countering the misinformation whenever I have the time, but more people need to make an effort to bring some nuance to Saidit.

The worst posts usually only come from a handful of posters, so it would be pretty easy to counter with actual good content with a bit of effort.

rdh2121 · 2020-06-30T18:31:49+00:00

Remember that whenever a headline asks a question, the answer is always "no".

That being said, God I hope so.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T19:34:33+00:00

Who said this?

...the admins did. It's in the rules for moderators. Rules 4a and 4b.

Do you realize how many subs you could ban out of the feed by that logic? All subs that have a set of rules could technically be construed as banning free speech.

Practically none, as long as they allow disagreement, which they almost universally do? You're clearly on the wrong site here. I recommend Reddit for all your censorship needs.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T17:26:59+00:00

Thanks for the response! I definitely think it should be changed, but I'm only one person, and you guys have a better idea of what you want from the platform than I do.

It does suck to be on New and see a ton of posts that I'd likely be banned for participating in - feels like it goes against what Saidit is going for, but again, y'all know that better than I do.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-26T18:46:09+00:00

Sounds like Sen. Tammy Duckworth might be a little racist.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T19:18:00+00:00

Absolutely, trolling is a problem on subs like GC, but moderators are allowed to remove comments low on the pyramid, and that's not a violation of Saidit's rules.

The problem is that GC also doesn't allow good faith disagreement or debate, which directly goes against the rules of Saidit, and therefore can't be allowed on the public /s/all page, and I think that should hold for New as well.

rdh2121 · 2020-06-30T17:13:52+00:00

That's an interesting idea. I think the insightful/funny breakdown is a great idea, and should be kept, but it would be nice to create a way to express/quantify dissent/disagreement on posts, even if it had no effect on the visibility of the post for algorithm purposes.

Edit: UI clutter is a concern though, so I'm not really sure how to implement this cleanly, even if it would be a useful feature to have.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-04T16:21:48+00:00

Wearing a mask is terrible for your health.

Source?

As someone who has to wear full protective gear for eight hours a day I’ll attest that rebreathing what should be exhaust is breaking me down.

Nice anecdote. Still waiting on a source.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T19:23:22+00:00

It's not "being changed". Saidit's rules specifically disallow it. I'm arguing that the rules already in place should hold for /s/all New as well.

They're not allowed because their censorship is antithetical to the anti-censorship community we're trying to build here. The trade-off is that you can have your echo chamber, but you're not allowed to advertise it on /s/all.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T17:46:42+00:00

This is a great idea. It could be kinda like quityourbullshit.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-04T17:22:24+00:00

Still waiting.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T18:39:15+00:00

Cool story bro.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T17:42:07+00:00

That makes sense. I guess the question is whether we want to promote subs that censor content on a platform designed to be anti-censorship.

Also, it seems like word about those subs can still spread by word-of-mouth, and also through other associated "front-facing" subs like a hypothetical /s/debateGenderCritical that would conform to platform guidelines.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T14:42:59+00:00

It's kinda hilarious that the article you cite is only pointing out correlation, not causation, yet you go off on another user because their cause-and-effect hypothesis doesn't agree with your cause-and-effect hypothesis.

How about you show me your proof that this is due to the unit disbanding first.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-17T03:19:33+00:00

How about this? If you see a comment you don't like, just ignore it, and then you won't be advocating for censorship like you're currently doing.

You can't just leave us alone to say what we want within our private space.

Because it's not a private space. It's a public space, by the design of this website that you've agreed to use of your own free will, and you will follow its rules, including the rule that if you're a useless circlejerk of censorship, you have to publicly state it.

Your beliefs are not PRO free speech, your beliefs are ANTI free speech. You don't like what's being said, so you want to shut it down. Instead of ignoring comments you don't like, you advocate for literal censorship, and then act like that's somehow exercising your right to free speech? Jesus, the mental gymnastics.

Luckily, the creators of this site don't share your delusions, and actual free speech advocates will always be here to report your censorship and lack of respect for the rules of this website.

In fact, I've just reported your pro-censorship sub again, just for the hell of it. I'm sure the admins will get around to forcing you to explicitly state your anti-free speech position on your sidebar soon enough.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-14T04:11:12+00:00

This is misleading - you have to click through like twice to get the actual context for the quote. Also, she never said they were "white supremacist" concepts - she said that employees having to be seen as "reliable" and "loyal" by fickle, disloyal employers that would fire you at the drop of a hat is troubling, which is completely accurate.

Please provide better context for your posts next time, and try to find headlines with less editorializing.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-03T04:27:24+00:00

Excellent questions. Also, could the admins say if they're looking into the bans going on at /s/pinkpillfeminism? Not 4 hours after defending the sub on /s/saidit, I found myself banned as well under dubious circumstances, and would like an update, if possible.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-10T23:14:33+00:00

Can confirm that neither button changes at all for me when I vote. I've started using whether or not the number changes as my indicator for whether a vote went through.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-04T16:23:26+00:00

Here's the post from two days ago.

Obviously the mod shouldn't be banned, but the unreasonable bans handed out so far need to be reversed, and I haven't heard any word from the admins on the situation yet.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-04T00:53:10+00:00

And what about the rest of the world? Are they in on it with the Democrats?

rdh2121 · 2020-07-03T06:00:47+00:00

This thread pointed out some suspicious banning behavior on the part of the /s/pinkpillfeminism mods. Some people were saying that posts on that sub should lead to the sub being banned, but I argued that it should be allowed to stay. Not four hours later, I myself had been banned from /s/pinkpillfeminism for unsatisfactory reasons, after just having defended them hours before.

Still waiting on an update for whether or not any of these unwarranted bans will be overturned, and whether the admins will step in and deal with the misbehaving mods over there.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T19:55:56+00:00

Can you quote one of those posts for me, with full context? I absolutely support moderation of comments that aren't in good faith and are low on the Pyramid of Debate.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T15:32:18+00:00

1) who cares if users get mad and mass block you. Your freedom to speak hasn't been in any way undermined.

2) even if they were begging the mods to ban you, it doesn't look like you were banned, so I'm not sure what the problem is.

3) why are you coming to Saidit complaining about being asked to provide a source for your claims (which are demonstrably wrong, which is probably why you couldn't find a source)?

4) I don't know enough about Discord T&C to comment on this situation.

It doesn't seem like you've been censored or unfairly treated at all, and I've got a sneaking suspicion you were posting to get a reaction in the first place.

Ruqqus has seemed pretty chill to me so far, when it's actually up.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T14:27:59+00:00

Ruqqus looks like absolute trash, what are you on? I like the site, but it's so freaking cluttered, with so much useless deadspace.

Saidit's clean interface is so much better.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-26T11:56:05+00:00

Seems like the right call in this case, given the wording of the statute.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-24T14:42:18+00:00

I agree with you in that I think SaidIt should stay English only for now, but I think the main issue is one of moderation and avoiding spam. Eventually I think it would be great for SaidIt to become a multilingual online forum, but that will only work once the infrastructure to support it is in place.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-16T13:26:05+00:00

Nope, I'm reporting them because they're breaking the rules that ensure free and open discussion on Saidit.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-12T18:15:21+00:00

Why is this on /s/WikiLeaks?

rdh2121 · 2020-07-04T17:32:26+00:00

It also has to be real socialism, but nobody knows what it looks like, since it apparently hasn't existed so far.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T22:26:42+00:00

It looks like some of those communities might have been banned for advocating violence, which is against the ToS. /u/d3rr, do you know if that was the case?

If so, it seems that those bans were for pretty different reasons than a post simply saying "FUCK MEN" a bunch of times. Something like "Let's murder men right now" would be something I'd see as a bannable offense.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T19:34:24+00:00

Your personal interpretation of saidit's rule disallow it.

No... the admins disallow it, which is why GC isn't on /s/all.

In fact your encouraging saidit to pick and choose who shows up in a feed which is a form of censorship. You're the one being censorious.

All you gotta do to be on /s/all is not censor your sub. That's literally it. You're clearly on the wrong site here. I recommend Reddit for all your censorship needs.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T19:21:21+00:00

Saidit is a free speech platform. To participate in /s/all, subs must allow free speech. Subs that advocate for censorship should not be allowed to promote themselves to the public here, as they're antithetical to the community we're trying to build. Allowing their censorship on the frontpage is tacit endorsement of their censorship.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T18:49:44+00:00

The editorializing at the end of your title is entirely unnecessary, and inappropriate for the /s/news sub. /u/Chipit, so far your posts here have reeked of disingenuousness, and are the opposite of the kind of content we want to promote in this community. Be better.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T16:50:01+00:00

This kind of sensationalist title formatting needs to stop.

Anyhow, this only constitutes a 6% reduction in advertising revenue on Facebook. It's not hurting Facebook in the slightest, and ad companies are only doing this because they want to reduce advertising expense during the current economic downturn.

Once the Coronavirus starts easing off and the economy picks back up, those companies will absolutely come crawling back, boycotters or no boycotters.

rdh2121 · 2020-06-29T22:00:41+00:00

A good friend of mine lives in NYC and her entire family got it. Luckily they all made it, but she was out of commission for basically an entire month.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-25T01:26:21+00:00

Good for her. Hopefully your selfishness and willful ignorance doesn't get anyone elderly or immunocompromised killed.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-12T23:57:46+00:00

Triple Triad from Final Fantasy VIII. A few years ago I looked for some scans of the cards online to make my own deck, but could never find any good enough.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-25T02:47:39+00:00

The more people refuse to wear masks, don't follow proper social distancing procedures, and go out in public when not necessary, the more cases you'll find as well. ;)

rdh2121 · 2020-07-14T04:51:02+00:00

While I don't disagree with you, the difference here is that you can respond to their vitriol and hate and not be silenced for it, which automatically makes this space superior to the other platforms. I've been trying to call out bullshit here whenever I see it, and actively participating in the community is how we're going to make sure nuanced and non-dogmatic opinions are heard, since, at least currently, they can't be silenced here.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-04T16:20:52+00:00

Now this is a conspiracy theory I can get behind!

rdh2121 · 2020-06-30T13:51:00+00:00

It's telling that FWR survived when all of the subs made to criticize it were banned, especially given Reddit's racist new rules.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-26T11:54:15+00:00

That's weird - I haven't seen him anywhere near a golf course.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T22:15:00+00:00

Fair enough, the admins probably have a clearer idea of what they want out of the site than I do. Also, I have a couple of comments/questions:

Posts like that are definitely not the majority of posts on /s/pinkpillfeminism, so it likely isn't analogous to the subs you're talking about.
It seems to me that as long as subs that do act like that allow dissenting voices in the comments, they should be allowed to stay anyway. Were the subs you're talking about removed for not allowing dissent?

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T20:42:45+00:00

Are they idiots for attending the party? Absolutely.

Is this still a violation of their rights? Absolutely.

I hope they challenge this in court.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T18:44:12+00:00

Here are the rules in question.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T17:15:34+00:00

Because he's a well-known conspiracy theorist, that's why. Can we also please stop with the sensationalist titles? This is the OPPOSITE of what we should want on the NEWS sub. Jeezus.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T17:08:40+00:00

Ruqqus is nice, when it's working. Haven't tried notabug.io yet, but it's supposedly pretty good too.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T16:26:22+00:00

This kind of sensationalist, misleading propaganda is the OPPOSITE of what we should be promoting on the history sub, or on Saidit in general. Acting like groups of people don't change over the course of 150 YEARS is disingenuous.

We're on Saidit because we want to be better than this crap. Be better, OP.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T16:10:06+00:00

I think Sparknotes is fine, for the most part, and you just had a terrible teacher.

The problem with Sparknotes is that it's myopic by design, and intended to only convey the mainstream interpretations of a given text. Teachers should be aware of what Sparknotes has to say, but teaching from Sparknotes does a disservice to students.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T15:44:20+00:00

The mask charade is a PsyOp to frighten people.

Nope, it's not. It's a good faith effort to reduce transmission, and hasn't yet been disproved by studies. It's a perfectly reasonable step.

Masks can prevent bacterial transmission, but viruses are many orders of magnitude smaller in size.

It's still a more than reasonable precaution, and again, Coronavirus hasn't been shown to spread through masks.

It's part of the scamdemic hoax.

Lol.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T15:06:19+00:00

So... no evidence whatsoever. Why am I not surprised?

Let's see what makes more sense:
1. criminals are spending all of their time closely following the status of random government agencies so that they can all get together and agree to start shooting people after one small agency is disbanded
OR
2. There have been high-profile, high-tension protests going on for weeks, so violence has been higher recently.

I wonder what would happen if we compare the shootings this week with the shooting numbers earlier this month, instead of with shooting numbers from last year. Source

How about that! 40 shootings per week for the first three weeks of this month.

How does it feel to be proven completely wrong, and caught in your fearmongering, pro-cop propaganda?

rdh2121 · 2021-03-26T13:26:45+00:00

Good to see blatant misinformation finally having consequences. We need more cases like this for the rest of the MSM.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-25T21:09:48+00:00

The irony of you railing against "MSM propaganda" and then citing them instead of citing the actual science is absolutely hilarious, and incredibly telling. Then again, presciently, I did note that we both already know the science doesn't actually matter to you.

Even so, here you go - I've done your homework for you:
An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19. "The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact"

The physiological effects of face masks during exercise. "Heart rate, respiratory rate, blood pressure, oxygen saturation, and time to exhaustion did not differ significantly."

Effectiveness of Government Policies in Response to the COVID-19 Outbreak. "Using daily data for 32 countries and relying on the stringency of the conducted policies, we find that the greater the strength of government interventions at an early stage, the more effective these are in slowing down or reversing the growth rate of deaths."

Also, from here, showing how many more lives could have been saved in Sweden, tellingly, "Yet the size of the lockdown effect suggests that there is a non-trivial infection externality – people fail to internalise the costs they impose on others as they become infectious and, hence, voluntary social restraint fails to deliver the same extent of social distancing that we observe for the lockdown scenario."

They're talking about you, by the way. You're the reason lockdowns have to be mandatory, and are are less effective than they should be. "Selfish and ignorant indeed."

rdh2121 · 2021-03-25T13:52:46+00:00

If you want a non-iPhone (and you should), Linux phones are literally your only choice.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-24T21:17:29+00:00

I mean, you still haven't put together an actual argument yet, so...

rdh2121 · 2020-07-14T16:17:59+00:00

While I definitely agree that moderation on low-pyramid comments is not as strict as it could be, I'm torn on how much stricter to get, since it's better to err on the side of allowing low-pyramid comments to stay than removing comments higher on the pyramid.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-04T16:34:04+00:00

30-35 here.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-04T16:29:55+00:00

Israel is one of the few countries that we should continue to fund. Having a relatively stable democratic ally in the Middle East is enormously valuable.

The vast majority of other foreign aid should of course be eliminated.

rdh2121 · 2020-06-30T00:09:53+00:00

Did you accidentally disable it in preferences? I disabled mine on purpose.

rdh2121 · 2020-06-29T22:46:35+00:00

I love Dunkey's content, but I always figured his taste in games was pretty far removed from my own, and this kinda seals the deal.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-13T12:15:46+00:00

But I thought republicans liked spending money on fences?

rdh2121 · 2021-03-12T23:46:25+00:00

Hi, just a reminder that if you're not going to allow debate (or men, for that matter), per Saidit rules you have to enable the option to remove your sub from the frontpage.

I saw this post from New, so you may have already done so, but I wanted to send a quick reminder just in case.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-12T18:17:50+00:00

I mean, it's pretty par for the course at this point. The Republicans have been the party of "socialism for Congress and billionaires, feudalism for everyone else" for at least three decades now.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-10T14:41:18+00:00

Pretty sure that if he held church services online, he wouldn't have been jailed. Which means, of course, that he wasn't jailed for church services.

rdh2121 · 2021-03-10T12:57:56+00:00

Always remember that if a headline is a question, the answer is "no".

rdh2121 · 2020-07-24T20:42:28+00:00

There is no medical need for them

If you count "not spreading a plague" as not a medical need, then sure, I guess.

absolutely nobody should have the authority to force someone else to use them, or any other "medical/safety" device.

You're not wrong, but if you don't wear a mask, you're still an asshole. Furthermore, any contribution you make to the spread of the virus is your moral responsibility, even if it's not your legal responsibility.

Be better, people.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-14T16:44:50+00:00

I mean, that makes sense, since currently there's practically zero evidence to support the bioterrorism conspiracy theory. The WHO should instead be trying to get the international community to put pressure on China to close its ridiculous wet markets.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-04T17:14:24+00:00

That's not what you're supposed to do anyway? o_o

rdh2121 · 2020-07-04T17:12:54+00:00

This is the problem with our current pharmaceuticals industry. If they shouldered all the costs of research, they should of course be able to set their own prices. But, they're not shouldering those costs - we are. There should absolutely be price caps for private companies that accept public money for R&D, to provide a return to the Americans who are actually funding that research.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-03T04:45:23+00:00

My royal "we" says otherwise.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T20:47:52+00:00

Good point, sorry about that. I wondered why it was jumping to the middle of the comments section. I'll edit my top post. Thanks for citing your sources. :)

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T20:35:09+00:00

~~Why are you citing a hilariously biased, glorified op-ed instead of an actual source?~~

Either way, it's awful how many people are refusing to get the vaccine - this is only going to lead to even faster spread of the virus, and even more deaths.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T19:45:15+00:00

Unfortunately, it seems citizens are the ones who are ultimately going to be responsible for upholding their rights to defend themselves. Hopefully that doesn't get ugly.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T19:24:39+00:00

Hopefully these are quickly challenged and struck down by the courts.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T18:24:12+00:00

Such a great song.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T17:20:35+00:00

How is this funny? Is this sub just the right wing version of /r/PoliticalHumor now?

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T16:38:56+00:00

Like 99% of what comes out of Scott Adams' mouth, this is absolutely ridiculous, and isn't worth listening to.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T16:04:17+00:00

So... we're not even pretending this sub is about the Coronavirus anymore? We just an extension of /s/conspiracy now?

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T15:58:46+00:00

There's so much crazy here I almost don't know where to start.

police are the primary cause of violence

This is you putting words in my mouth.

Police have been scaling back their efforts

This is completely incorrect, as the complete sham of the police budget "reductions" over the past couple of days show.

Violence is highly seasonal, and can be directly correlated to things like the outside temperature. That's why crime is compared to what happened the previous year. This is well-known; you're telling me this is news to you?

And I'm the conspiracy theorist. Also, I thought the rise in violent crime was due to the disbanding of the anti-crime units? yOu'Re aRgUiNg AgAiNsT yOuRsElF, aNd LoSiNg.

These are the same NYC cops who, when everyone was running away from the flaming World Trade Center, ran towards it.

Yay, they did their jobs once.

Why am I not surprised they're being shit on?

Because you're aware of how militarization of police and police brutality have gotten to the breaking point, so you're rightfully shitting on them along with every other reasonable person?

Your propaganda isn't gonna work here bub. Your arguments are as transparent as your motives.

rdh2121 · 2020-07-02T15:26:23+00:00

So that's how long it took /s/funny to devolve from actually funny content to boomer humor.

rdh2121