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[–]StillLessons 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

After skimming the article that is linked, a very simple problem emerges in the author's logic.

He says basically, while I agree in censoring these topics (hate, racism, anti-semitism, holocaust denial, etc), the problem is censoring these other topics (climate skepticism, mail-in voter fraud, etc).

This is exactly why we're in this problem in the first place. Everybody has their line where they say, "Well, yeah, I disagree with that too, so it's okay to ban that..." There is no such line. The only reasonable place to step in is specific planning of violence. Platforms cannot be complicit in the logistics of violent attacks on individuals or property, or they become liable for those specific violent acts.

Other than that, for me, it has to be that anything goes. If a person wants to come on and say, "All white (or black, or red, etc) people should be put up against the wall and shot," that should be allowed. It's not like the thought goes away if we censor it. Much better to have it out where it can be aired so we can take shots at it. This is how public opinion can actually be changed.

The reason censors fear free speech, however, isn't because of the horror of what they hear. What scares them is that they have so thoroughly fucked everything up that people will listen. That's what scares them. TPTB have made themselves so unpopular that people are now willing to step much further out on the spectrum than they would be in a functioning society. The fact that the society is not functioning is directly the responsibility of those running the show, and they cannot allow that to be discussed openly. That's why they're censoring. It's not about what they're censoring; it's about their failure, which everyone agrees on.

The only way to be able to keep discussing that is - outside of clear specific logistical planning - anything goes. This is what freedom of speech is. It's hideously ugly at times, but it's the only genuinely functional vehicle to non-violent change.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

while I agree in censoring these topics (hate, racism, anti-semitism, holocaust denial, etc)

Race is real. Biological fact. Yet you support the censorship of science.

Racism against whites is rampant on social media and that's not what they want to censor. Racism in this context means FBI statistic and peer reviewed scientific studies.

Holocaust Denial is stuff like my history book from the 50s not mentioning the holocaust. Yet newpapers from before the 2nd world war do mention the holocaust of 6 million jews. Weird as fuck.

Anti-semitism is linking to articles written by jewish journalists about how they DO own the media and hollywood. Etc. Obviously if you frame those facts in a positive light, it's not anti-semitism but if you frame it negatively then it becomes an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Conveniently.

Hate is saying "men are men and women are women" or saying "math isn't racist".

[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, formatting issue. Just to be clear, when I wrote "He says basically, while I agree..." I was attaching the "I" to his words. In other words, this is what the author believes, not what I believe. Based on the rest of my comment, I would have thought it was quite clear that I - StillLessons - explicitly do not agree with censoring discussion of any of these topics.

I was worried I might confuse people by how I wrote that. Sorry for the error.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No problem. That was my mistake.

[–]tuesday 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holocaust Denial is stuff like my history book from the 50s not mentioning the holocaust

So your definition of "holocaust denial" is when a book which no one ever reads because it's so out of date, fails to cover every bit of history?

That is a very odd definition. Would you claim that "racism against whites" never happens because no one ever reads about it?

[–]rdh2121 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This kind of sensationalist title formatting needs to stop.

Anyhow, this only constitutes a 6% reduction in advertising revenue on Facebook. It's not hurting Facebook in the slightest, and ad companies are only doing this because they want to reduce advertising expense during the current economic downturn.

Once the Coronavirus starts easing off and the economy picks back up, those companies will absolutely come crawling back, boycotters or no boycotters.

[–]Wrang1er 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Zuck lost 7 billion

[–]PencilPusher55 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Isn’t it hilarious that the revolutionaries are backed by multi billion dollar corporations. Nothing says outlawed like having Coca-Cola and the largest social media platforms on your side

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's a terrible thing that I've really started appreciating Mark Zuckerberg as a human being over the last few weeks. He's an immoral arsehole but he's an immoral arsehole to everyone equally.

[–]Scrubjay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know, right? Like when Walmart started being Amazon's only real competition, and I'm like "What happened to the world that I have to cheer on WALMART???" What's happened in the world that I have to clap for Facebook? ;-)

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, he's not.