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[–]LarrySwinger2 57 insightful - 2 fun57 insightful - 1 fun58 insightful - 2 fun -  (43 children)

If you agree that there is a disease, it's misleading to call the entire thing a hoax. "Exaggerated" or "a psy-op" are better descriptions.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 34 insightful - 3 fun34 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 3 fun -  (34 children)

The idea that it's a pandemic superbug is the hoax.

The hoaxes are the media productions, and hospital stagings, masks, etc.

Hoaxes abound.

[–]Aureus 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (30 children)

I agree that the media is hyping it up, and the lockdowns are terrible for the economy. But there is literally no cost in social distancing or wearing a mask.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

The cost is sacrifice of freedom.

Also, many are terrified because they think it's a highly lethal superbug.

It's a PsyOp to have the public demand a hoax vaccine.

[–]GConly 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

it's a highly lethal superbug.

My healthy eighteen year old went from a rower training for a marathon to having pneumonia and so much difficulty breathing we had to call ambulance. She's never even been particularly I'll with flu since she was a baby.

I've seen what it can't do first hand. This is way worse than flu, my health is pretty dicey and I want a sodding vaccine. There's a real risk it could kill me.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is way worse than flu, my health is pretty dicey and I want a sodding vaccine. There's a real risk it could kill me.

The flu has been pretty serious in the recent past, as well. 650,000 confined deaths from influenza in the 2017-2018 flu season.

There's a very real risk the vaccine could kill you, as well. Every previous vaccine for this has been a failure.

The handful of versions that made it to animal testing ultimately killed all of the animals the next time they encountered CV.

Relying on the safety of fastracked vaccine that hasn't been fully tested is an unacceptable risk; given the low fatality rate of CV 19.

It's a serious gamble.

[–]GConly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I never said I wanted a fast tracked vaccine. I'm as lary of that anyone else.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Listen, NOBODY is denying that there are SOME PARTICULAR fringe cases in which an otherwise inoffensive virus has dire consequences. Hell, some people die from eating fucking PEANUTS. I'm sorry about your kid going through rough times, I really am. But it's not because EXTREMELY RARE cases become serious that there has to be a so-called "vaccine", which have never done anything for human health to begin with.

Even Pasteur himself, who freaking INVENTED vaccines said on his death bed, "Tell Béchand I was wrong and he was right: the milieu is everything and the pathogen is insignificant". What does allopathic medicine do? Ignore the wisdom of one of its own greatest visionaries... BECAUSE PROFIT COULD BE HAD FROM DOING SO.

[–]LarrySwinger2 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Vaccines are risky in general, and sometimes more deadly than the disease they're meant to prevent. And regardless, there isn't a vaccine right now. I recommend looking into other options such as exposing yourself to sunlight regularly, not isolating yourself (so as to keep your immune system intact), and taking Vitamine D pills.

[–]72ndGender 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100% agree. Every time we give a little more freedom, the rulers raise the bar on how much they will go after next time. No one cares about constitutional limitations of the government, apparently.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

I live in Asia and I cannot believe the carry-on in the US over wearing a mask? We masked up and you only have to look at the numbers to see it worked. Compare Asia to Europe and the US. Can't believe Americans crying, "Its my right as a Murican to breath germs all over people during a global pandemic. Something, something, bald eagles!"

[–]beermeem 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No cost?

[–][deleted] 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Its a bioweapon according to Francis Boyle and Luc Montagnier which is why I'd go with "psy op" over "hoax" every time. Media is definitely exaggerating and misrepresenting the issue while causing mass hysteria.

[–]Jesus 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Questions to ponder:

Are the tests accurate?

Do the tests cross-react?

Have we seen COVID-19 u der a microscope?

Have we cultured it?

Are they messing with the statistics?

The latter questions seems to be an obvious yes. They are listing anyone who dies and who teated positive woth COVID but had zero symptoms as a COVID death. If millions have COVID, and older people are dying from other complications it wouldn't be hard to fake the death numbers.

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The trouble is there pressure to lockdown and panic has all come from ordinary people, most governments were dragging their feet. We just have a whole load of anxious people who are just looking for any excuse to panic and lock themselves in their room for months. And it's often the least at risk, young, people spreading panic the most.

I know 3 people who have locked themselves in their rooms and are convinced they will die of covid if they interact with anyone. They are all male, with social phobias, gamers and 2 are under 18. They are all spending their days on social media venting their panic, accusing the government of trying to kill people, etc because they have nothing else to worry about. This democratic is heavily represented online so it makes it seem like the public are demanding a heavy lock down, masks and authoritarian measures when actually its a minority of scared basement dwellers.

[–]BravoVictor 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I thought the people calling it a hoax were nuts. Then I saw thousands of Democrats marching in the streets, many not wearing masks, none social distancing, while their leaders cheered...right after calling the handful conservatives protesting the covid restictions "domestic terrorists".

The threat was definitely exaggerated. Whether it's intentional or not I'm unsure. I suspect the idiots in state government saw a high ~20-30% fatality rate from hospital admissions of covid, didn't realize that that suffered from a selection bias, misapplied it to the entire population and freaked out. But it's been months and better data is available. By now they have to know Covid isn't a serious concern. I'm seeing estimates making it little worse than the regular flu.

Everyone's now freaking out about the "rising covid case count", while they ignore the flat death rate. Yes, cases are rising in part because we're testing more and in part because idiot Democrats are ignoring the orders of their own Democrat leaders, but fatalities aren't rising in proportion. That's because it's nowhere near as deadly as originally reported.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's just a new strain of THE COMMON COLD, which has been a "new coronavirus pandemic" every. single. year.

[–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, "hoax" overstates the claim massively, though there's always a kernel of truth to any hoax.

[–]nothingmuch 41 insightful - 7 fun41 insightful - 6 fun42 insightful - 7 fun -  (41 children)

Oh, horseshit. First off, the diagnostic test checks your respiratory system for viral RNA. The antibody test checks your blood for antibodies, so if you get a surprise positive on that I means you're one of the lucky asymptomatic folks.

That said, I'll never believe it's a hoax because I've had it, and my wife had it worse, and it's NOT FUCKING FUN. I can very much see how it could push somebody who already has health problems over the brink.

Also the Democrats are far too incompetent to perpetuate a hoax of this magnitude.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 27 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 3 fun -  (36 children)


neither is the flu, which kills 500,000 people every year worldwide, but we don't shut down the entire world because of it.

[–]nothingmuch 22 insightful - 6 fun22 insightful - 5 fun23 insightful - 6 fun -  (25 children)

The rest of the world is opening back up, but Americans are too self-centered to wear masks. And we can apparently politicize anything.

No one with any sense thinks we can actually stop the virus. The idea is to keep the infection rate low enough for hospitals and medical suppliers to keep up. No one wants to lose Grandma to something that would be survivable if the system isn't overwhelmed.

[–]jonah 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (20 children)

the virus is 0.125 microns big, N95 masks, which nobody uses, protect down to 0.3 microns. essentially all you are doing when wearing a mask is creating a swamp of saliva around your face so you can spread covid into the wind. masks are just symbology for the cattle to prove to the cabal that we can be easily manipulated.

do your research before you regurgitate MSM propaganda.

[–]nothingmuch 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

The virus isn't free floating, it travels in water particles. You're saying that the masks trap the particles and spread them at the same time, which makes no sense.

[–]jonah 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (16 children)

and what do you think happens when you have worn the same mask for months straight? i sincerely doubt that americans have changed their mask every day for the past few months. they are filled with bacteria and viruses assuming they are positive. when you continue to breathe on the mask coated in your saliva do you think it just continues to build? it has to go somewhere, and that somewhere is out into the air because nobody wears form fitting masks.

[–]nothingmuch 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You must hang out with nastier people than I do, because most people I know do laundry on a regular basis.

[–]Red23 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

You won't win against these retards mate.

[–]buttermouth 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Retards? The ones using science rather than anecdotal opinions? The wearing of masks is clearly not about stopping a disease but rather getting people used to taking new controls. You can wear a ski mask, silk mask, wooven mask, all which do nothing and everyone would be happy you are compliant. If it were about stopping a disease none of those would be acceptable.

[–]jonah 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

so not only do you not switch masks, you break them down by washing them with all your other clothes? and you still think you are protecting people from covid lol

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The virus is carried in water droplets you moron. The masks will stop the infected breathing those over other people.

[–]jonah 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

open your fucking eyes, you are being lied to. the vast majority of the american public lacks the ability to understand symbolism, here is a wikipedia article so you can get up to speed.

A water particle is able to go down to <60 microns. your piece of shit shred of cloth is not meant to protect down to that level. here is a webpage so you can understand the clinical applications of spray pesticides and the particle sizes they use. your hot dragon breath isn't coming out of that hole in your face you call a mouth like rain drops. it comes out in an extremely fine mist. you are spreading covid while simultaneously wearing a symbol of compliance, and are convinced of the complete opposite.

[–]Jashfior 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can look at the number of deaths and compare it to the numbers a typical year, i.e. deaths caused by e.g. the flu. Way more people are dying this year than during a flu season, and this despite extreme measures keeping the infection rate relatively low compared to what it would be if it was allowed to spread as freely as the flu.

[–]galaxybrain 28 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

It's not actually a hoax though, it actually is a new virus circulating across the globe causing serious health issues. That much isn't even up for debate, if you even have a small circle of friends, you're sure to know someone that has it, or knows first-hand of someone who has had it.

We can discuss all day along about the reaction to the pandemic though, that's a totally different thing. But complaining about the reaction to a virus doesn't make the existence of the virus itself a hoax. That's a shitty argument.

If you pretend for one moment that you're not on Reddit, you can stop making a stupid thread title, and actually come with the facts. You don't think the reaction to this virus has been proportionate. Fair, that's absolutely fair. But don't use clickbait titles like "hoax".

Hoax has a simple meaning, and that's that everything is staged and based on no facts. That's demonstrably false. Are the measures taken by governments a bunch of bullshit? Arguably yes. But it doesn't make the virus a hoax.

Does the media misrepresent the facts? Undeniably. Do governments spread panic? Again, undeniably. I also agree that many deaths are counted as COVID-19 deaths when they aren't necessarily. They've taken something and no doubt blown it out of proportion, but we still have much to learn. But let's use factual language, eh. Sitting in a puddle of our own drool isn't a good look

[–]jelliknight 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I also agree that many deaths are counted as COVID-19 deaths when they aren't necessarily.

The thing is, it works the other way too. In italy they went back after the peak of the corona has passed and did some 'death accounting'. They had a certain number of deaths attributed to corona, and you would assume that the deaths from all other causes (old age, traffic accidents, heart attack etc) would stay the same or decrease during the corona period (more old people dying of corona is fewer dying of pneumonia, lock down means fewer traffic accidents and workplace accidents). Instead they found that the death rate from non-corona causes went UP significantly during the peak of the pandemic compared to what was projected based on before/after/previous years. They looked into it further and found out that what was happening is that someone would get corona that was "asymptomatic" but it put a lot of stress on their system and have them a heart attack, or an asthma attack. We also have seen cases of people who 'recovered' from corona virus dying of a stroke (it causes blood clots). These cases were caused directly by the virus but were recorded as non-corona deaths. The death rate was actually much higher than they thought it was at the time.

In conclusion: -the virus is real -It's way more deadly and problematic than the flu -Lock down is the only proven way to stop it (well done New Zealand!), though tough distancing and hygiene measures (masks) can get pretty close to stopping it.

ETA: Here's a link with some nice simple graphs showing the effect, called 'excess mortality'

[–]VantaFount 20 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

I agree with nearly everything you've said, except for one point.
It's not just democrats pushing this.

[–]iraelmossadreddit 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

They are all one in the same... Trump was a democrat then changed to republican for the election.

oh actually

Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[3]

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

delusional maga q believers told me trump was being a dem then to infiltrate and sabotage them back then

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

Found the Reddit provocateur.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

direct opposite you are, just came here cuz reddit banned subs, you're retarded and low IQ and against masks just cuz trump says so. Go to that site or voat.

[–]soundsalad 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

You calln me retarded furreal dwag tha fuck man like mb you shuld just go 2 rukkus er sum shit

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

yea you're retarded, take the L kid

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

You're long on ad hominems, and short on cogent arguments. One of us is certainly low Iq. Take the cyanide pill, kid.

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[–]soundsalad 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Bru you rly guna just tell me 2 stfu like dat

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)


[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 9 fun12 insightful - 8 fun13 insightful - 9 fun -  (5 children)

covid19: that year when the flu was a bit worse than usual

[–]jelliknight 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

4x worse than normal in number of deaths in the USA so far, and we're only halfway through the year, and it's accelerating.

So 'quite a bit' worse than normal.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A lot of pnemonia deaths were diagnosed as covid, which you can see in the corresponding humongous drop in pnemonia deaths as compared to every other year. So the overall number of deaths is not much different.

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I'm stealing this

[–]legendaryabyssking 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Dude, airborne viruses are usually epic killers. You would see two or three times the death of it really was airborne

I think this is a dry run for how much they can push people without resistance. You would think social distancing would stop protests for BLM but nope. People are marching in the street. Covid is only dangerous to old people and the weak. Average people are usually safe. If a man made virus they made sure it wasn’t too strong, because it could kill them too. This is exaggerated for political reasons.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You would think social distancing would stop protests for BLM but nope.

Those protests are sanctioned by the powers that shouldn't be. I was ready to protest the lockdown after a week but I was considered a public safety risk because of that intention. Suddenly, a little while later, everyone thinks its okay to protest but only for one specific reason. If you want to protest anything else, you're still a risk to public health. It is such nonsense, the hive mind is oozing with cognitive dissonance right now

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You would see two or three times the death of it really was airborne... You would think social distancing would stop protests for BLM but nope.

If it is really such an epidemic, why aren't like half of the BLM protestors dead? That would be my main question. If people aren't dying by literally going out in to large groups, what rationale is there even for a lockdown and a forceful shutdown of business? Makes no sense to me, I still don't know anyone that has died from covid

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

BLM is retarded, they shouldn't be allowed to protest but:

  1. protesting is a constitutional right

  2. lockdown orders from states because Trump and the feds aren't doing anything

  3. States aren't really ordering by law anything it's more like suggesting, for example if you held a big party, the cops would come and tell you to stop it, they wouldn't actually arrest you or give you a fine.

  4. People would call out BLM but they don't want to be called racist and cancelled.

[–]Robin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope you're wrong on this. But yeah, might bĕ a dry run for Covid- 20.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

you'd see that but lockdown and masks is slowing it

[–]King_Brutus 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

COVID positive tests and death counts are one thing and subject to manipulation. But I think that actual hospitalizations are what should be looked at because that's what's going to be the problem. Overwhelming the system can have worse effects than anything.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

repub gov of texas orders masks, not just a dem thing

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[–]Velocity 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Mostly a Dem thing though.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

true, on average they're smarter

[–]Velocity 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Oh okay that really explains everything. Can you at least try to intelligently contribute?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

take the L kid

[–]Velocity 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Like I said, try some intelligent contribution for a change.

[–]noice 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Do you have a salient point? How can 'kid' 'L' if you don't put up an argument?

[–]DrStrangelove 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Agree, but it's not just democrats. It's virtually every government, multinational corporation, academic institution, NGO, and foundation on the planet. The real disease threatening all of humanity right now isn't covid, it's Stockholm Syndrome.

[–]FormosaOolong 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)


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[–]hylia 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

What does the Democratic Party benefit from if this is indeed a hoax?

[–]King_Brutus 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

What I've seen is that it is being played up to make Trump looked bad so every decision he makes they can criticize as well as point to him for being at fault for every downturn of the pandemic.

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the idea is to rile up the dem base and get them to vote. In 2016 not enough of them came out to vote for Hillary, and now we have Biden who similarly no one is excited about. Will it work, we shall see. I think they equally pissed off people, moderates who hate seeing blacks loot, they may switch from a Biden or stay at home to Trump due to that.

[–]FarmerGD 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Excuse me, didn't Clinton win the popular vote in 2016? Riling up left-leaning voters likely won't make a difference, as most places where these nonvoting voters are already Democrat controlled. If more people voted Democrat, but these people already did so in Democrat controlled states, how would this make a difference in the electoral college, as these Democrat controlled states have an all-or-nothing elector system? If they want to improve their chances, they need to steal states they don't control. For every left voter they rile up, they affect a right voter also. The Democrats want nothing more than slander: they know they can't win outright with sleepy Joe, so they have to demonize their opponents draw support. However, those that they are trying to steal see their efforts as bullshit, at least largely. The Democrats, in an attempt to draw voters from across the aisle, have instead made themselves look foolish, underhanded, and destructive.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

5 times prez's have won without popular vote, only electoral college matters. Voting really doesn't matter except it can pressure electors in swing states to go along with how the vote went, and none have gone against that yet. Hillary didn't even bother to campaign in rust belt, probably know she had no chance but still. Should have known then she'd lose in that case, and in that case a case can be made that she lost on purpose so the rich could get tax cuts.

Where are a lolt of these BLM things happened, rust belt. Also swing states. Sure all over USA but places minnesota where floyd died are a swing state. You're right it may also piss off repub voters in said swing states. Hard for me to predict this one cuz a lot of weird stuff is going on, covid hurting the economy, BLM.

[–]rdh2121 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

And what about the rest of the world? Are they in on it with the Democrats?

[–]gravyontop 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

won't be surprised if they have something weird going on with the swabs they TEST with

[–]jonah 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

read an article that said a lot of the walgreens and generic health store tests were already infected with covid. maybe to get people sick, maybe to inflate the positives. you don't just slap together medical tests. they SHOULD be created in sterile environments. the only way they would have been infected is if it was on purpose.

[–]beermeem 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hospitals get an extra $13k for saying a death was covid and $40k for putting someone on a ventilator. The reports that make these numbers don't even have to be made by doctors but by self interested administrators. And none of us has any idea what they are being told.

[–]WooWhoVintage 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

"Survival of the fittest" is a phrase that originated from Darwinian evolutionary theory

So I find it amazing how people that believe the most in Darwin fight against allowing Darwinian principles to happen. We should just keep moving forward and let any disease run its course. Those who will live will live and those who will die will die.

[–]galaxybrain 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Darwinian theory is simply survival of the good enough to pass on their genes. To procreate. It has sod-all to do with how fit they are.

Let's not see evolution as some perfect filter; especially in the human space, where we can overcome many of our shortcomings through supplements, medicine and surgery.

If you want to get back in to the arguments about "fittest", then we're going to the classic eugenics arguments made 50+ years ago. Nothing new.

[–]WooWhoVintage 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It is survival of the fittest. If Covid-1984 kills you then you don't get to procreate and pass on your genes.

[–]galaxybrain 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

What about a guy who donated to a sperm bank a while back?

In this day and age, you can be stone-cold dead and pass on your genes

[–]WooWhoVintage 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

All I'm saying is let diseases run their course.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

we can use civilzation to help make sure humanity doesn't go extinct. We never would have survived things like the black plague, spanish flu and polio if humans hadn't taken actions.

[–]WooWhoVintage 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem is we've been surviving things like the Black Plague for more than 50 thousand years. We've been dealing with diseases long before ancient Mesopotamia.

[–]galaxybrain 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, that's something else, and I basically agree that's the likely outcome in this case.. we can do what we want against this disease, but eventually it's probably going to kill all the people it was going to kill.

After all, we still don't have a vaccine for SARS-CoV, and that outbreak started in 2002

[–]WooWhoVintage 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I did some personal research about "Coronaviruses" and was surprised to discover:

  • 1. In any given year, up to 33% of cases of the common Cold are caused Cronaviruses and not the traditional Rhinoviruses.
  • 2. Scientists have known about Coronaviruses since 1930 and they've been studying them in humans since the 1960s

This is nothing new that we have... There's always been a multitude of Cold viruses and there will never be a cure for the common Cold. So... In my opinion we should just cut the crap and get on with living our lives.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

and people that say evolution is fake are most likely to believe in survival of the fittest

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now "The fittest" are the people who don't fall for the tricks of the media and authoritarians

[–]NorfolkTerrier 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are plenty of tests that test for active infections. That's still the majority being done.

The fear-mongering is absurd and will have costs likely far above those of the pandemic. Part of the hysteria in the US is likely rooted in anti-Trump attitudes (especially considering the STAY THE FUCK HOME crowd poofed for a couple weeks after George Floyd's death), but it seems largely unplanned.

I think at this point, many politicians are afraid to move forward. As long as the pandemic is perceived as a current threat, people won't start getting mad about the economy, livelihoods, the looming mental health crisis, the destruction of kids' education, civil liberties violations, etc because they'll see those as secondary concerns. The minute the average person sees COVID as "over," people are going to be PISSED.

Personally I think that corona is neither a huge deal nor is it nothing. It's a moderately serious issue. The human brain, especially in our garbage media environment, is bad at identifying that middle ground. When I realized the initial narrative was bullshit, I definitely started to swing towards the "fuck this, it's nothing" camp. NY never needed 40,000 ventilators, "exponential growth" never overran our hospitals, the field hospitals were empty, and it turned out that COVID was already all over the West as early as December and no one really noticed. Still, I also remember predicting that this shit would be in the rearview mirror by June, that the death count would never pass 100K, and that there would be no spike in cases (though I think the protests caused this in all areas without functional herd immunity).

[–]teelo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm in one of the few countries that got a headstart on it: closed the border early and quarantined the few people who already had it. Now theres no cases left here and we quarantine anyone entering the country. The rest of us go about our lives like normal, and the economy lives on.

It definitely exists, and the governments don't gain anything from imposing quarantines. It hurts the economy, which makes the government looks bad.

The main part thats bullshit is deciding that anyone who died during this period died because of Covid, no matter what. Your country is the only one doing that.

[–]paranoid_android3 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This meta-analysis paper by Stanford epidemiologist says the IFR, the Infected Fatality Rate, the only number you should care about, is about the same as the flu.

When limited to people <70 years old, IFR ranged from 0.00% to 0.26% with median of 0.05% (corrected, 0.00-0.23% with median of 0.04%). All IFR estimates in people <70 years old did not exceed 0.1%, with the exception of New York, Wuhan and Milan.

i.e. it's blown out of all proportion to it's danger, IMHO.

More about Ioannidis:

From 1998 to 2010, he was chairman of the Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine. In 2002 he became an adjunct professor at Tufts University School of Medicine.[5][3] He has also been President of the Society for Research Synthesis Methodology.[3] He is highly-cited, having an h-index of 196 on Google Scholar in 2020.[6]

Ioannidis is now Professor of Medicine, Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor, by courtesy, of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences.[7][8] He is director of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, and co-director, along with Steven N. Goodman, of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS).[9][10]

He was the editor-in-chief of the European Journal of Clinical Investigation from 2010 to 2019.[11]

[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly what I've been saying about the death numbers the whole time, too. Everyone is just too filled with fear from refreshing google every 30 seconds.

[–]jonah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

iirc <10% of covid deaths are actually caused by covid. yeah covid is real but who really gives a shit if people die? i mean its bad to say but jfc this is life. it ends in death if you weren't aware. there is not substantial evidence that masks prevent the virus nor is there substantial evidence that social distancing does as well.

the lockdown is a way to close small businesses and cripple the economy then pass bills that make big business richer. it is also a way for media companies to play in fears and profit. it is also a way to encroach on our already dwindling privacy.

if you don't want to get sick, stay home and take care of yourself. your health is not my responsibility.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

who really gives a shit if people die?

bad post

[–]jonah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

thank you for this rare insight and for proving me wrong. i really appreciate all the hard work that went into your reply. i am a changed man. go back to fucking reddit