GenderCritical sub still showing up on /s/all New. Is that intended behavior?

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

It's on purpose, because Reddit does it like this too. It could be changed.

Also note that you can click 'mute sub' to not see it there in /s/all/new

[–]rdh2121[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Thanks for the response! I definitely think it should be changed, but I'm only one person, and you guys have a better idea of what you want from the platform than I do.

It does suck to be on New and see a ton of posts that I'd likely be banned for participating in - feels like it goes against what Saidit is going for, but again, y'all know that better than I do.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Yeah, it does. I think /u/magnora7 is into making this change, so there's a good chance that it can happen.

My only reservation is that it's killing a spot that reddit designated as uncensored. After the change, people will have next to no way to know that IP2 or GC even exists on the site.

[–]rdh2121[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

That makes sense. I guess the question is whether we want to promote subs that censor content on a platform designed to be anti-censorship.

Also, it seems like word about those subs can still spread by word-of-mouth, and also through other associated "front-facing" subs like a hypothetical /s/debateGenderCritical that would conform to platform guidelines.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

How is a sub showing up on r/all promotion?

[–]rdh2121[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Saidit is a free speech platform. To participate in /s/all, subs must allow free speech. Subs that advocate for censorship should not be allowed to promote themselves to the public here, as they're antithetical to the community we're trying to build. Allowing their censorship on the frontpage is tacit endorsement of their censorship.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

To participate in /s/all, subs must allow free speech.

Who said this?

Subs that advocate for censorship should not be allowed to promote themselves to the public here

Do you realize how many subs you could ban out of the feed by that logic? All subs that have a set of rules could technically be construed as banning free speech. You're doing the pilpul thing here.

Allowing their censorship on the frontpage is tacit endorsement of their censorship.

Being in a feed is not endorsement. It's only an endorsement if it's already a curated feed.

[–]rdh2121[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Who said this?

...the admins did. It's in the rules for moderators. Rules 4a and 4b.

Do you realize how many subs you could ban out of the feed by that logic? All subs that have a set of rules could technically be construed as banning free speech.

Practically none, as long as they allow disagreement, which they almost universally do? You're clearly on the wrong site here. I recommend Reddit for all your censorship needs.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

rules for moderators. Rules 4a and 4b.

That's rules for moderating subs not rules for running the site.

Practically none

Practically at least one by your logic!

which they almost universally do

No they don't. That's literally the point of a sub to make an semi exclusionary group.

You're clearly on the wrong site here.

You're clearly attempting to find weak points in rules and exploit them for your schemes and games.

I recommend Reddit for all your censorship needs.

Reddit is run by people that create rules but insert their own bias into those rules. You're attempting to do that here.

[–]basedaf 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's rules for moderating subs not rules for running the site.

yes?

Practically at least one by your logic!

yes about one

No they don't. That's literally the point of a sub to make an semi exclusionary group.

what do you think exclusionary means? Subs are made for people interested in a topic, if you ban wrongthink, then saidit penalizes you by not allowing you to advertise on r/all, as no one who dares think anything your mods don't approve of will be banned.

Reddit is run by people that create rules but insert their own bias into those rules. You're attempting to do that here.

That dude doesn't even work here. His bias is that people should either be allowed to disagree with your groups ideology, or you shouldn't show up on anyone's feed. Your thought process is seemingly your entitled to show up on r/all and post ads for your ideology, while being entitled to ban anyone who thinks wrong on your sub. The admins have completely unbiased rules that any ideology is allowed here, including pro censorship one's such as your own, they can appear on r/all, all you have to do is be open to debate. A bias would be promoting hate against women (or the rich, or police, whoever really) is wrong, but promoting hate against trans people is ok.