GenderCritical sub still showing up on /s/all New. Is that intended behavior?

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[–]basedaf 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's rules for moderating subs not rules for running the site.

yes?

Practically at least one by your logic!

yes about one

No they don't. That's literally the point of a sub to make an semi exclusionary group.

what do you think exclusionary means? Subs are made for people interested in a topic, if you ban wrongthink, then saidit penalizes you by not allowing you to advertise on r/all, as no one who dares think anything your mods don't approve of will be banned.

Reddit is run by people that create rules but insert their own bias into those rules. You're attempting to do that here.

That dude doesn't even work here. His bias is that people should either be allowed to disagree with your groups ideology, or you shouldn't show up on anyone's feed. Your thought process is seemingly your entitled to show up on r/all and post ads for your ideology, while being entitled to ban anyone who thinks wrong on your sub. The admins have completely unbiased rules that any ideology is allowed here, including pro censorship one's such as your own, they can appear on r/all, all you have to do is be open to debate. A bias would be promoting hate against women (or the rich, or police, whoever really) is wrong, but promoting hate against trans people is ok.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

if you ban wrongthink, then saidit penalizes you by not allowing you to advertise on r/all,

You're just making shit up. Saidit doesn't do that and it won't do it. I'll say it again. Showing up on a non curated feed is not a promotion. Why do you continue to ignore this point?

That dude doesn't even work here. His bias is that people should either be allowed to disagree with your groups ideology, or you shouldn't show up on anyone's feed.

r/all in not a custom feed. Saidit should not choose to hide a sub because someone else thinks the sub is bad. It's not up to saidit. If the sub is breaking rules that's one thing but banning wrong think inside a community is not breaking saidit rules. The minute you play politics with the r/all feed than every single sub becomes up for debate on what degree it is banning wrong think. Every controversial sub will be pressure to be banned from the r/all feed. This would turn saidit admin in promoters of certain subs or suppressors of other subs. Admin should stay neutral and allowing everyone in the feed is neutral.

Your thought process is seemingly your entitled to show up on r/all and post ads for your ideology, while being entitled to ban anyone who thinks wrong on your sub.

It's less entitlement and more like everyone should have equal assess to evaluate the content being produced by saidit. If the r/all feed become curated I have no way to glance at new and see what is being produced on a minute to minute basis on the site. My ability to discover new content and gauge the site is being blocked by people that have a political opinion about content and want to control what other people see. I could care less about my community not being 'promoted' my problem is that admin has now sided with certain types of subs by curating the feed. This pressures non conforming subs. This type of pressure is a form of censorship on a site wide level. Site wide level censorship = bad; community censorship level = good.

[–]basedaf 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

4b) Mods CAN remove opposing opinions that are high on the pyramid of debate, and ban those users on that sub, if and only if the 2 following conditions are met: 1: The fact the sub removes opposing opinions is announced in the sub's sidebar. 2: The mods uncheck the sub setting "allow this sub to appear on /all"

Its literally in your guys sidebar......

by people that have a political opinion about content

As said over and over and over. The political opinion is anti censorship. I know it sucks you were censored by reddit, we all get that, what we don't get is how you have the balls to complain about it while doing it to others. You can be a nazi here, you can be pro multiculturalism, you can be pro tra or anti tra. If you're pro censorship of well construed arguments as dictated by people like aristotle, socrates etc (which are inherently unbiased) then while you can leach off the site and already existing community, we don't have to be happy about it.

Let's make this real clear. When they cam for r/fatpeoplehate I stuck my neck out even though I didn't hate fat people. When they came for r/incels for some reason I can't explain, no one including you, stuck out their neck for me, and instead cheered. Now they came for you, and no one was left to defend you. History repeats itself, what a shame TERFs didn't manage to take even one damn class on history or politics before starting up an anti societal ideology. Congrats, the people pro censorship want you banned, and the people against censorship aren't going to give you a warm welcome cause you're exactly the people we oppose. Barely any credit even given to the fact no one is trying to get you banned. Only that on a website that promotes critical thinking, you aren't allowed to disallow critical thinking without penalization.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know it sucks you were censored by reddit, we all get that, what we don't get is how you have the balls to complain about it while doing it to others.

The subs I run don't censor. Don't lump me into this.

then while you can leach off the site and already existing community, we don't have to be happy about it.

I'm not happy or unhappy about it. I'm neutral. But taking someone off the r/all feed is an act of censorship and once it starts there will be all kinds of subs taken off of r/all and we will be right back down the rabbit hole. Thank you for bringing up that rule to me. I'm going to petition to have it removed it seems silly. Maybe some type of tag would be ok, "this community censors high pyramid dissent" but removing it from r/all it too far IMHO.

and the people against censorship aren't going to give you a warm welcome cause you're exactly the people we oppose

I'm not even asking for a warm welcome. I don't need a welcome at all. Just let me, my subs and all subs be on the r/all. They deserve full access to the site. How can you not see that being blocked from the r/all feed is a form of censorship? You're just trying to play the 'nudge' game that tech oligarchs play. I'm proud of reddit for banning those subs because at least they are open about it now. These tech industry nudge games and subtle censorship are cowardly and saidit should be above it.

you're exactly the people we oppose.

You should come debate us on s/debatealtright and make sure that's really the case.

Barely any credit even given to the fact no one is trying to get you banned

I'm not new. I've been here more than a year and I do give credit. That's why I'm here and brought hundreds of people here.

Only that on a website that promotes critical thinking, you aren't allowed to disallow critical thinking without penalization.

Then you agree with me that everyone should be allowed on r/all?

[–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A bias would be promoting hate against women (or the rich, or police, whoever really) is wrong, but promoting hate against trans people is ok.

No a bias would be allowing one of those communities in the r/all feed and the another being forced into the attic.