Those of you who were once full on SJWs, what was your woke breaking point?

zerosis · 2021-03-23T02:09:49+00:00

Cotton ceiling and boxer ceiling did it for me. Everything else crumbled after that.

zerosis · 2021-03-15T12:15:16+00:00

It's dumb. I'm not queer, I'm gay. 'Queer' suggest a connection to a socio-political movement that is in no way related to me.

zerosis · 2021-03-10T03:12:58+00:00

Was only a matter of time tbh

zerosis · 2021-03-05T05:24:24+00:00

Same

zerosis · 2021-02-28T07:09:49+00:00

Yeah uh this is not heathy thinking. At all. This is actually dangerous for anyone with any kind of obsessive mental illness to get involved with. How is that sub even still up?

zerosis · 2021-02-08T12:38:51+00:00

You are not a monster, don't let anyone gaslight you into distrusting reality. I've known plenty of nonbinary people through the years. Would you like to know how many of them are still nonbinary, ten years later?

Not a single one of them. It's a fad, based in a metaphysical and nonsensical concept. It was generally perceived as harmless, until it became a concept written into law and aggressively pushed in public educational systems. Don't feel bad because you're one of many who haven't drunk the kool-aid, or haven't been able to keep it down long enough to actually believe it.

zerosis · 2021-02-04T03:20:54+00:00

Notice the 'cis women only'

Trans exclusionary is perfectly okay if it's not a gay or lesbian sub

zerosis · 2021-02-04T02:09:31+00:00

Guess which sub is still up though? 300 K subscribers lmfao

https://ibb.co/4Zzhbn0

zerosis · 2021-01-31T05:52:21+00:00

Who the fuck cares what god thinks

zerosis · 2021-01-19T19:18:13+00:00

I wonder WHAT THAT COULD MEAN

zerosis · 2021-01-11T09:19:40+00:00

My lesbian friends were told they need to suck dick, or they're bigots. This was IRL, not on a forum.

It crumbled from there.

zerosis · 2021-01-10T13:28:16+00:00

I. Fucking. Relate. So. Much.

It's everywhere. I've had to distance myself from long-standing friends over this shit. I used to be one of them, too. I can't believe how insane all of this has gotten.

zerosis · 2020-12-29T07:53:32+00:00

Same to you man

zerosis · 2020-12-23T23:52:45+00:00

Absolutely legendary, fuck yeah

zerosis · 2020-12-23T22:06:52+00:00

God I fucking hope

zerosis · 2020-12-22T17:43:35+00:00

Hey, I know it's been a while since this thread happened but I was going through my old comments and I wanted to let you know I'm sorry for going so hard on you over this. I was being an ass, and you made a lot of good points. I've changed my mind about the BLM movement and no longer support it. Apologies again for being a dick.

zerosis · 2020-12-15T08:45:15+00:00

Back when I was a TRA, I kind of assumed all trans people were transmedicalist, generally grounded in reality, knowing the reality of sex, the importance of women's rights and homosexual autonomy, simply trying to relieve some agonizing mental health issue and live their life in peace.

Holy shit was I wrong.

zerosis · 2020-12-08T08:58:06+00:00

Honestly, I think gay men need to be standing up more for lesbians. The TRA train hasn't bulldozed us nearly as hard as it has lesbians, from what I've seen.

zerosis · 2020-12-07T10:34:54+00:00

Thank you for this!!

zerosis · 2020-12-05T22:29:05+00:00

Honestly, I say we give people like this a megaphone, let them spread their insanity to the rest of the world. Just peak everyone that much faster.

zerosis · 2020-12-01T09:30:37+00:00

Jesus fucking christ. No actual gay man uses the 'fag' slur as much as these people do. It's nauseatingly fetishistic.

zerosis · 2020-11-26T03:12:02+00:00

This is incredible

zerosis · 2020-11-12T00:48:05+00:00

Yeah, exactly! It's like when I see a pride flag now, I'm automatically preparing myself to read some gender cult bullshit.

zerosis · 2020-11-08T08:39:32+00:00

Nope, not trans, he was just REALLY into the whole TRA thing.

zerosis · 2020-11-02T08:20:29+00:00

Fuuuucking hell, I'd laugh if I didn't grow up being sexually harassed by girls exactly like that, one of whom came out as trans later of course

zerosis · 2020-11-02T04:54:29+00:00

I know it's already been said here, but, gender ideology. It really has become a cult that will attempt to destroy your life if you don't tow the line.

zerosis · 2020-11-02T04:33:54+00:00

Newsflash, Aiden, you don't have a fucking 'gay' identity. You are the one treating gay men like they're a costume you can put on and assume just because you feel like it, you don't know anything of our personal struggles or joys or bodies. You are literally the person you're complaining about. JFC the infuriating density of these people. The fujoshi call is coming from inside the house.

zerosis · 2020-11-02T04:26:32+00:00

Thank you so much for sharing your feelings, I relate to an incredible degree to always having an 'uneasiness' about gender identity politics even at the height of my leftist phase. The Cotton/Jockstrap ceiling was really what put the nail in the coffin for me too, not only feeling myself being erased as a homosexual man, but hearing countless horror stories from lesbians I know, IN REAL LIFE, mind you, not just the huge record posted on GC forums online. I have actually seen lesbians cast out and shunned by their communities (and if you're gay, you often don't have a family outside your community), in a way that mirrored what I'd see in the fundamentalist churches I grew up in, FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN SAYING THEY WOULDN'T DATE SOMEONE WITH A PENIS. This is real fucking life, I'm entrenched in the gay community after all these years and it's happening all around me. I can't really even process how fucked-up and backwards this is, I feel like I'm in grief.

zerosis · 2020-11-01T04:39:12+00:00

It's really encouraging to know that straight people are finally seeing what's happening to our communities. So many of us same-sex attracted people fought for years, sometimes to the point of hopelessness, for our own spaces where we could just exist and relate to each other. Losing that to the TRA agenda, and having woke conversion therapy pushed on us, feels like getting punched in the gut on a daily basis. I hope when it really starts to effect you guys (because there's no reason to assume they'll stop with us) there will be a major pushback.

zerosis · 2020-10-31T00:48:02+00:00

God, it's dumb. No, Aiden, you will never know what it's like to be a gay man, to grow up as a boy liking other boys, to know another man's body like it's your own, to resist every religious fundamentalist and homophobe trying to 'fix' you into liking female anatomy, to feel pride for your same-sex attractions in a world that frequently wants you dead for them.

zerosis · 2020-10-29T20:55:59+00:00

I know what you mean. The absolute frothing-at-the-mouth vitriol leveraged at anyone who questioned TRA ideology was what slowly woke me up to what a weird cult the TRA movement really is. It's just like when I was growing up Southern Baptist, and the church would constantly try to convince us that atheists were the most vile and despicable beings to walk the face of the earth. When you're taught to be that terrified of something, of course you're not going to want to be associated with it. It's a brutally simple but clever trick.

zerosis · 2020-10-29T02:25:23+00:00

TRAs say stuff like, "Oh, it's just the internet, only a tiny amount of people say X"

Oh yeah, I hear this kind of thing a lot, but I swear to god every single one of my friend groups has been directly affected and split apart by this. Whenever I hear 'it's just on twitter/reddit' I feel like someone's trying to tell me to ignore the bushfire that's a couple miles away while I'm currently being choked out by the smoke cloud. If I was outspoken about my beliefs IRL, I could be in serious financial and even personal danger.

But we should take solace in the fact that there ARE people waking up from this, and that's not going to stop happening, ever! Honestly, when you get down to it, because we are a sexually dimorphic species, TRA ideology can never fully take hold over a human civilization. You can't 'educate' away people's heterosexuality or homosexuality. There will always be new people being born, people who will reject the notion of being told what they should be attracted to and who they should love, people who will love their bodies as they naturally are and who won't surgically or horomonally alter themselves because they don't fit into prescribed gender roles, people who will know that biological sex is a beautiful and real part of the human experience that has tangible effects on the lives of women and men. Our situation feels dire right now, but that's just a feeling, not reality. Like, TRA's might as well be trying to convince everyone the sky is green. They might change the definition of 'green' to mean what 'blue' used to stand for, but reality is still there, reality still works, reality doesn't bother with our definitions or ideals. I don't know if this is even making sense, haha, but that kind of helps me stay grounded these days.

zerosis · 2020-10-29T02:02:54+00:00

Wow, I hadn't even thought of how frustrating it must be to work in the legal field with all of this going on.

zerosis · 2020-10-29T01:58:49+00:00

Yeah, these are insane times. I honestly never would have thought it would get to this point. If you had told me ten years ago that gay men and women would be erased and re-conditioned en masse by their own community, for instance, I just wouldn't have believed it. I would have laughed at the idea of women being re-termed 'menstruators' in the name of social justice. This has been a painful learning experience.

zerosis · 2020-10-29T01:51:12+00:00

I agree, I find people like Buck Angel, Mars, Rose of Dawn and Scott Newgent are on the forefront of the fight for reality, and I am truly appreciative of them for that. I think that when I first heard of transgendered people a decade ago, I assumed they were all similar, reasonable and empathetic people who are going through something painful and decided to medically change their bodies to alleviate their anguish. But I woke up to the truth that the TRA movement is completely overtaken with authoritarian, anti-science radicals who promote delusion and actively advocate against women's rights.

zerosis · 2020-10-29T01:41:38+00:00

You're right, there are some positives and I should try to focus on those! I really believe that a huge legal scandal is coming in a few years when these trans kids come of age, and it's going to be a tragic mess that will be fun for absolutely no-one. To be honest I'm really just grieving my community. I feel like I really don't have one anymore, and that's a rough place to be. Knowing that there are many other gay/bi people who at best hate me and at worst would probably be happy to see me in front of a firing squad (though I know that's probably just hyperbole when I see it) for advocating for homosexuality and women's rights just feels... surreal and distressing.

zerosis · 2020-10-29T01:29:38+00:00

Honestly, it was a lot of little things that had built up over time. I've been sexually harassed by fujoshi types, friends came out as trans and then starting promoting the whole 'genital preferences are transphobic' thing, the Contrapoints drama (back when I was still following that channel), the JKR saga, some friends being excommunicated IRL because of refusal to concede to gender identity politics. It was just so many things that built up over time, until it was like a dam broke in my head. I just couldn't do it anymore. I used to feel guilty because couldn't bring myself to be with a man with a vagina/neopenis. I'm so fucking angry that I let myself be manipulated like that. I lost my entire family after I came out as gay, my life was upended because I wanted to be with and love men... real, biological men. Now the same re-conditioning tactics are being used against me again, just re-packaged in a 'woke' box.

zerosis · 2020-10-28T01:26:38+00:00

I'm starting to understand how lesbians felt about their identity and same-sex attraction being fetishized by the opposite sex in the public sphere in the name of 'wokeness.' It's really fucking gross and infuriating. This kind of shit is going to peak so many gay men.

zerosis · 2020-10-28T01:18:47+00:00

Yeah, I'm glad she's speaking out about gender identity politics but the anti-abortion stuff is really fucking weird to hear from a feminist.

zerosis · 2020-10-23T12:13:56+00:00

Ugh, Jesus, gross.

zerosis · 2020-10-14T20:46:05+00:00

God I fucking hope so.

zerosis · 2020-10-01T07:33:19+00:00

Rose of Dawn is so great, along with Buck Angel and a few others I've seen.

zerosis · 2020-10-01T07:28:48+00:00

Honestly yeah, I have a bit of a hard time with this. I don't want to dismiss a group of people outright as a bunch of delusional assholes, I know not all of them are like that. But I've seen too many things, I've experienced too many things, and I can't trust that the TRA movement has anyone's best interest at heart anymore. I have an outright visceral reaction to anything TRA related now. There's SO goddamn much homophobia that comes from them, and it gets eaten up by LGB's because they don't want to appear 'un-woke.' There's a part of me that's really fucking sad that I used to be so supportive of the trans community, and now I just can't be anymore. It's like a veil has been lifted. I also feel really awful for people with gender dysphoria who are just trying to survive, stuck between insane TRA activists and the isolation their condition must make them feel. This whole thing just sucks for everyone.

zerosis · 2020-09-26T00:11:44+00:00

It's terrifying and exhausting. I feel like shit for dismissing the concerns of lesbians dealing with this very thing for so long before this.

zerosis · 2020-09-25T15:25:25+00:00

For me, if I had to think of a specific moment, I think it was when one of my trans friends outright told everyone at the breakfast meeting we were at that a lesbian not dating people with dicks is transphobic and invalidating, and vice versa for gay men/vaginas. I just had this 'whoahh, hold the fuck up' kind of mental reaction, and it all spiraled from there. I used to be so supportive of the TRA movement, and to be honest part of me wishes I could just go back to that. It was easier to just go along with it, I wasn't in danger of losing my family, friends, sanity, everything. Now I've seen and realized things that I can't ignore, and I have to shut up and pretend like I'm okay with the T completely taking over my community. Fuck. I hate 2020 so much.

zerosis · 2020-09-24T22:39:29+00:00

It would be funny if it wasn't way too fucking true

zerosis · 2020-09-24T03:09:02+00:00

Yeah, it's easy to forget that. It's just that as gay men and women, we're seeing this shit first-hand, every single day of our lives now, and it's so disheartening. I can't imagine straight people are being bombarded in the same way we are right now.

zerosis · 2020-09-23T22:19:01+00:00

Yep, I'm here. It really does feel like we're in the extreme minority these days, tbh. I still believe grown adults should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, but the invasion and colonization of gay and lesbian spaces has just put my spirits in the gutter. I don't even want to associate with anything LGB-related anymore, because I know it'll be mostly catered toward the T, and that's not even some dramatic over-exaggeration. The fact that I've lost my community over this has made me feel so alone and lost. I guess most gays would be overjoyed to hear that I'm feeling this way, though.

zerosis · 2020-09-16T07:35:37+00:00

I fucking feel this. I didn't think being politically homeless would be on my list of shit to deal with this year.

zerosis · 2020-09-07T13:26:08+00:00

I didn't see that this was already posted, my apologies. Just saw the article today, I've kind of been taking a break from the internet and all of this shit for my own mental health.

zerosis · 2020-09-07T11:11:06+00:00

That's awful what happened to your friend and partner, ugh! One of the girls tracked me down years later to apologize, but I haven't heard from the others. It just sends up an immediate red flag for me now if a girl seems a little too into gay men, or if a trans man tries to force themselves into a social group for gay men. For a long time, I tried to be super 'validating' and accepting, but it just psychologically became too much for me after a while. Trans girls don't bother me and I can be around them just fine, because they've never done anything to me (I know it's a serious issue in lesbian spaces though), but trans men in gay male spaces just gives me a visceral reaction. Those 'fetish' alarm bells go off in my head and I just can't be around that after what I went through before. I feel like if they did try to do something, there's no reasonable way I could defend myself without them bringing down the hammer of the woke cosmos on my ass for being 'transphobic.' Even just running away would get me put on blast in some way. Idek.

zerosis · 2020-09-07T10:44:19+00:00

Nice to know that more colleges are going the route of Evergreen! This will end well.

zerosis · 2020-09-07T10:42:06+00:00

I was sexually assaulted multiple times by girls like that, because I was the only gay man in my friend group. It is absolutely a fetish, and it's disgusting when they try to use us for it. One of them actually became a trans man, and detransitioned a few years later. In my purely anecdotal experience, Yaoi fans are a fucking mess.

zerosis · 2020-09-07T10:38:13+00:00

As a gay man, this is the kind of shit that makes me want to run off into the woods and live in a cabin eating berries and shit for the rest of my life. I feel like I'm living in some kind of parody dimension and I'm getting so damn tired of it. People tell me 'Oh, this is just a small loud minority online, just don't pay attention to it! People in the real world are all normal and reasonable and roll their eyes when they see shit like this.' What these people don't fucking realize is that it's not the general population that I'm concerned with. It's the gay community. And this shit has absolutely TAKEN THE FUCK OVER the gay community. My community. I can't involve myself in any gay social events or arenas, on or offline, without running into this gender cult bullshit at every turn. It's. So. Exhausting.

zerosis · 2020-09-07T10:30:33+00:00

Thanks so much for the support <3

zerosis · 2020-09-05T20:50:46+00:00

It is. In just every way conceivable. Out of everything that has happened, losing my own community as a gay man has to take the cake. I feel crushed and alone.

zerosis · 2020-09-04T09:20:33+00:00

No, you're actually right. It really wasn't like this for us (gay men) until VERY recently. There's been a massive change in gay culture this year, and it's turning into an absolute shit show. I'm reeling a bit, to be honest. After a few months of dealing with TRA's fucking EVERYWHERE (and living with the regret that I was one until just recently), I had to step away from the gay community for my own mental health.

zerosis · 2020-08-25T15:46:17+00:00

Fucking hell, I'm saving this statement. It's perfect.

zerosis · 2020-08-21T08:37:59+00:00

This makes me want to fucking cry, honestly. If the TRAs had gotten to me during my puberty when life was hell and I couldn't accept my homosexuality, I could see myself in his shoes. I really hope he gets the help he needs before doing anything irreversible to his body.

zerosis · 2020-08-16T19:15:17+00:00

Oh no I had an opinion on it, and my opinion was shitty. I thought lesbians effected by this were simply being transphobic. That's what I was told repeatedly by my woke friends, and I just went along with it. I never put any actual critical thought into it and just assumed the TRA rhetoric was correct.

zerosis · 2020-08-16T14:56:48+00:00

Honestly, it wasn't just one thing that made me peak. It was more like a thousand little things, things I ignored for a while, and then it got to a point where I just couldn't ignore them anymore. I had a bit of an identity crisis when I realized that I was officially on the 'other side' now, because I had so tightly wrapped up the idea of being a 'good person' with the ideal of trans rights activism. There were just so many little signs that pointed to the TRA movement spiraling out of control. Contrapoints being cancelled (I was a pretty avid follower at the time) kind of started me questioning. A lot of alarming vitriol was being leveled at Contra for stating an opinion that was contrary to the highest 'woke' standards, and even the criticisms that weren't vitriolic were misguided to a disturbing degree. Then came the whole J.K. Rowling thing. I found myself agreeing with her on the points she brought up, which confused the fuck out of me, to be honest. I didn't know where I even stood at that point.

Then, some things happened in my personal life. I honestly don't want to go too into detail, because if there's a chance that anyone involved knew I was posting here, it could end pretty badly for me. I know quite a few trans people, some of them are very involved in my personal life, and I also know just as many detransitioners who fell out of the 'culty' side of the trans movement and were damaged pretty badly by the whole experience. A marriage was destroyed and a strong circle of friendship shattered over this shit, and the repercussions are still being felt a year later. Friends were excommunicated (and that is a big fucking deal when their families have already disowned them for being gay) because it was found out that they were excluding trans people in their dating life. I can't even begin to describe how chaotic things have gotten with my family/friend group since the TRA movement has kicked into high gear. I turned from hardcore TRA, to being completely disillusioned in only a few months. I feel like I'm only becoming more and more resentful by the day. I stopped using dating apps or gay male forums, because for the first time in ten years of using them, I'm seeing trans men every 3 profiles (some of whom aren't even remotely trying to pass) throwing a tantrum and ready to report anyone who isn't willing to get down with a vagina or neo-penis. Not all of them are horrible or rude, actually, but I still don't understand how or why there are so many of them in a space that is meant for homosexual men. I know lesbians have been dealing with this for years, but now that I'm dealing with it myself, I fucking get it. It feels like you're living in the Twilight Zone, being constantly co-erced into playing some weird roleplaying game that you can't get out of. I know it's even worse for lesbians, and has been for a while, and I feel terrible for not seeing that sooner. I just want to be allowed to be gay again.

Idk. I feel like I'm just rambling incoherently at this point, but to sum it up, it was kind of a long, agonizing process that made me wake up from TRA hell. I'm not sure I can point to one specific moment where the dam broke.

zerosis · 2020-08-10T22:09:49+00:00

I relate to you 100 percent as a gay man who fought for years and lost his entire family because I refused to 're-condition' myself to date women. This whole thing is just insane to me. I'm being told by my friends IRL that I and every other gay man need to start re-examining our sexual preferences, and I just... I honestly can't believe it's come to this. I'm absolutely disgusted by this new attitude in the gay comunity. We don't need to change ourselves. We just don't. We're fine the way we are, as gay people. When the fuck did it turn into this. I can't even really articulate or explain to other people how deeply this affects me and the pain that it's causing. I really feel like I'm losing my community and my identity is being forcibly ripped away from me.

zerosis · 2020-07-30T20:05:05+00:00

I hear you, brother. Solidarity.

zerosis · 2020-07-24T15:39:59+00:00

Massive respect to the transgender woman who has to deal with TRA's like that on a regular basis. She sounds so exasperated. TRA's aren't just hurting LGB's like us, they're hurting trans people. It's so ridiculous.

zerosis · 2020-07-20T20:27:49+00:00

As long as people are happy, I think it's great. I'll never question another man's love or personal choices as long as he's not hurting anyone against their will. The whole reason for this anti-TRA movement is that they're trying to force their dogma on US, not the other way around.

zerosis · 2020-07-19T13:30:14+00:00

This is honestly a good point. Why isn't this brought up more frequently?? Seriously???

zerosis · 2020-07-17T18:19:52+00:00

Oh my fucking god, I remember her. She was so beyond irritating on that season. She got in trouble online after the show had aired, for some unsettlingly homophobic remarks about gay men. It caused a bit of drama and in-fighting on the Dragula subreddit.

zerosis · 2020-07-17T16:11:51+00:00

It's so incredibly refreshing and comforting to see another gay man speaking out on this issue. I know there will be more of us soon, as the damage from TRA extremists burns through our community.

zerosis · 2020-07-16T19:34:36+00:00

Yeah, I don't dislike Contra as a person, I think she has a sort of empathy/open-mindedness and semi self-awareness that her followers and fellow TRAs lack, to be honest. Even back then I found it incredibly weird to witness the dogpile that resulted from that one five-second clip. She wasn't endorsing Buck's views, or even giving a platform, but any amount of association at all is enough to throw a person to the wolves. It's made even worse by the fact that if you dig into Buck's history and current life, Buck is an incredibly reasonable and stand-up person.

I recently started watching Blaire White's videos (she who must not be named, I always avoided her like the plague before) and find that my views on identity politics line up almost completely with hers, and she can be surprisingly articulate in a debate, though her style of showmanship and cheap personal shots at people can be off-putting sometimes. I think it's important to have outspoken trans people like Blaire, though, who are adamant about the fact that biological sex is real and has real implications, and that genital 'preferences' aren't transphobic, and that trans people pushing others to deny reality is harming not only their own community, but everyone else's.

zerosis · 2020-07-16T16:52:43+00:00

Back when I was still watching Contrapoints ( I was basically a TRA), I remember the entire Twitterverse and half of reddit turning on Contra for having Buck provide literally five seconds of voice work for a video. It was kind of insane. They are like dogmatic search and destroy robots.

zerosis · 2020-07-16T15:20:10+00:00

It's like, I'm stuck between feeling legitimately bad for them because that sounds like a terrible experience, but as a gay man I'm also repulsed and pretty offended by the idea of a bio female being in any way involved in my sex life, regardless of whether they 'pass' or not, so I feel for those guys as well. We didn't come out of the closet and refuse to give in to heterosexual conditioning just to have bio women come into our personal spaces like this.

No one wins with this TRA shit. This FTM person was hug-boxed into denying reality and paid the unfortunate consequences, it's honestly tragic.

zerosis · 2020-07-16T07:20:00+00:00

Fucking exactly, this is what I'm talking about. How does he get away with saying blatantly inflammatory things like that while Rowling has the entire world crashing around her for having a nuanced and wary approach to gender politics?

zerosis · 2020-07-15T17:26:22+00:00

God I hope it will be over sooner rather than later. They're going after women and LGB people because they're easy targets, but they're honestly going to hit a brick wall if they try to force this extremism on the world at large outside of twitter/LGBT groups. People like myself, who was until recently on board the TRA train, are waking up to how homophobic and dogmatic the TRA movement really is. The wide-scale and disturbing erasure of lesbian and gay identity is in full swing and it's so painful to watch.

Even if it is a futile fight, I won't give up the values I've learned from this. I'll always remember what the gay community used to be, how strong and proud we could be together before we were sabotaged by this movement. And I won't buy into an ideology just because some authoritarians masquerading as progressives are screaming that it's right.

zerosis · 2020-07-15T17:03:36+00:00

Well this person can fuck off into the sun along with their homophobic bullshit.

I'm wondering how far this banwave will go though, honestly? Is AGB next? I wouldn't be surprised at all if they put r/detrans back on the banlist before too long.

zerosis · 2020-07-15T16:16:41+00:00

I relate so hard to your point about JK Rowling's essay. After reading through it and expecting something horrible, from what was described to me, I found myself completely and fully agreeing with everything she had to say and the reasonable and empathetic way she presented it all. I really do feel like the world has gone a little crazy (at least the hyper-woke world). This whole thing is so surreal, I was basically a full-on TRA just last year. I'm still coming to terms with the fact that I'm considered the bad guy in woke circles now.

zerosis · 2020-07-15T16:13:24+00:00

It sounds like a good idea, I don't personally know anyone that's going through that, but I can't imagine how difficult it would be for me personally.

zerosis · 2020-07-15T15:09:15+00:00

You're actually incredibly right and I haven't really thought about it from this perspective before. It's so frustrating to deal with these people and their dogmatic ideology.

zerosis · 2020-07-15T15:03:18+00:00

I was pretty devastated too, but I feel like we're slowly recovering. To be honest, this new site is working out better than I'd hoped.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T19:39:37+00:00

I used to hear about the dreaded 'TERFS' for years before I found out my beliefs basically line up with theirs. It was definitely a weird experience, coming to that realization.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T19:35:37+00:00

Sorry 'bout it, I guess. I have to ask though, why are you here? Genuinely curious, no shade. I'm not completely on board with GC because it seemed a little too extremist and man-hate-y for me.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T19:25:21+00:00

Okay, I feel like you made your point clear. I disagree completely that it's 'not a complicated issue,' I think it's incredibly complicated and you're not allowing yourself to see the nuances of racial relations in America because it's less painful to take a hard-line stance in a racially-divided America right now than it is to see it without any lens of bias.

To be honest I'm not very interested in trying to convince you that black people have problems in America. It seems like you've already made up your mind on that front. The only reason I asked for sources for your claims on affirmative action is that I am open to the idea of white people being discriminated against. It's something I was genuinely interested in and am researching and soul-searching myself, which is why I didn't ask you for sources on anything else. I'd already made up my mind on the other things. I'm not open, however, to the idea of white people being the ONLY race currently systemically discriminated against. That's just dogmatic and it doesn't interest me.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T18:45:30+00:00

I only dismissed your original refusal to post sources because you initially refused to post sources. It's that simple.

You completely missed the point about why asking an American to 'move back to their home country' is ridiculous. America isn't white, it's a melting pot. There are plenty of asian, black and white people here to go around, for whatever tastes you might have. You keep shifting the argument away from the original point of contention, which is that black people have frustrations with the ramifications of being regularly looked down on in their own country. White people might have their own frustrations, but that doesn't mean black American's concerns aren't important. I don't understand why this simple concept is so hard to accept.

Claiming that blacks are systemically and institutionally priveleged in America is ridiculous. Hyper-woke twitter doesn't speak for the rest of the country, there is still PLENTY of racism to go around for every color under the sun. You're being extremist about this and you really don't need to be. It's okay to acknowledge the struggles of both black and white people in America, despite what the far left might tell you about whites and the far right might tell you about blacks.

And again you won't address the fact that I stated why our viewpoints on the statue situation aren't even incompatible. If there was a statue erected in honor of someone who colonized, enslaved and killed white people on a grand scale, would you want it on display in a public park? Or would you find it in bad taste and offensive to your people? Or is your overly snarky 'Yes of course you don't blame them. I'm not surprised.' supposed to tell me what you actually think about this?

You repeatedly called me, a complete and total stranger, an abuser and gaslighter (meaningless buzzword at this point) over a simple disagreement in opinion, so don't act like calling you obtuse was just some out-of-nowhere low brow hit. You engaged with me on aggressive terms and keep trying to play the victim card. Come on, man, that just doesn't make sense.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T18:07:17+00:00

Yeah, and now people are demonizing anyone that still stays in contact with her. It's fucked up. Ugh

zerosis · 2020-07-13T17:56:42+00:00

Basically just followed Contrapoints and the whole trans/sjw agenda, went around virtue signaling all the time because I thought it made me one of the 'enlightened guys.' God was I wrong. Just a bunch of puritanical shit masquerading as progressivism. My whole core philosophy is basically 'live and let live,' and SJW's have become the antithesis of that. Not what I signed up for at all.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T17:47:08+00:00

I will read your sources thoroughly and come to my own conclusion, because I still am genuinely interested in the socio-political ramifications of affirmative action and I'm still not sure how I feel about it overall. I view it as a complicated issue, just like systemic racial discrimination against white/black people. That is literally all I wanted in that regard and the snip about how you expect me to 'react' isn't necessary.

It's really strange that you're trying to paint me as the aggressive one here when you're saying shit like 'you would be free to move back to your home country' (Americans are American regardless of their skin color or ancestry, it's not a white ethnostate) and 'there are not two sides to this,' (<- seriously? What happened to All Lives Matter? Black people have issues just like white people, this should not be some controversial statement in any circle.) also completely ignoring my point about the statues where I said it would be JUST as bad to monumentalize a person who enslaved, colonized and murdered white people. You put my good-faith arguments on full blast and decided there was no room for agreement, when we don't even disagree on everything. I didn't attack you, I was responding in kind to your own antagonization.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T16:16:12+00:00

Cared enough to refuse to cite your claims again, I guess

zerosis · 2020-07-13T16:06:54+00:00

Don't know if you noticed, dude, but I was having a polite conversation until you turned the tide toward abusive language. I wasn't kidding when I asked for a source, I was still debating you in good faith at that point, and I was interested and open in what you had to say, but obviously you had nothing real to show. If you're that concerned about having a 'normal conversation between two people,' you should have stayed civil.

I'm kind of amused at how far you're willing to take this parroting, though. It's kind of endearing in a way. The asking for an apology bit is a little on the nose, I would advise against going that far next time, it isn't really spicy enough to hold up to the 'abuse' tantrum thing you have going on.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T15:41:52+00:00

Gaslighting? Abuse? Really? You have got to be trolling me right now, dude. If I was trying to be abusive, I'd call you stupid for repeatedly parroting tired leftist talking points in an attempt to validate your white oppression card. I don't think you are, though, I think you're just being willfully obtuse, even though you're probably fully capable of coherent thought. BLM being obnoxious doesn't detract from the fact that white people don't have it that bad right now, or ever in this country, really. If white people were THAT oppressed, we wouldn't have a fucking white president, for christ's sake. Or 44 white presidents.

Ah, of course THAT'S why you can't provide sources. Ok.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T14:58:22+00:00

Ugh, this is disgusting and I'm sorry you're going through this. I'm proud of you for staying firm in your boundaries, though.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T14:56:05+00:00

I'm honestly excited for the influx of gay men who will peak after being exposed to this shit. It's already happened with lesbians, more or less, but now that TRA's have started attacking gay guys, this homophobic movement is going to stutter, hopefully be stopped in it's tracks and re-evaluated for the regressive and rapey garbage that it is.

zerosis · 2020-07-13T14:44:11+00:00

Not surprised that you're not even remotely taking this conversation seriously, but it's nice that you just let me know your true motives with that 'move back to your home country' line. Christ. You're like a caricature of a white racist. This kind of shit is exactly why saidit will never get off the ground and will never compete with reddit, it's full of people like you who refuse to see nuance in anything and want to fight the left by throwing the victim card right back at them in the most bullshit and transparent ways. Do you honestly think anyone is convinced by this 'oh I'm a poor opressed white man' shit? Black people have it shitty, white people have it shitty. You're just making it worse by playing into the oppression olympics and acting like white people are getting cosmically shafted right now.

Also, it's on you to provide sources, I'm not going to spend a week googling to find some sensationalist report of a liberal arts professor trying to make a social statement in Seattle, or something.

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