Besides random shit people are saying on the internet, what has happened or been said to you IRL that makes you want to drop the T?

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Besides screenshots of TRAs being morons, besides screenshots of being told you're a bigot for being a homosexual, what have you experienced in your REAL LIFE (either with friends, "allies," in your work environment, a trans family member, etc) that has led you to want to drop the T?

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[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 42 insightful - 1 fun42 insightful - 0 fun43 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Wasn’t said to me, said in front of me to my friend. Someone was saying that not wanting to sleep with transwomen is transphobic Because your only reason would be thinking they aren’t real women. My (lesbian) friend asked if she meant only pre or pre and post op. The other person said “doesn’t matter, You shouldn’t have to even ask that. Either way it’s transphobic.” My friend then replied with “I asked because I could maybe see myself dating a post op transwoman if I really liked her, but I have trauma that gets triggered by male bodies”. The other person “well you could always consider a sexless relationship until you’ve been able to get help overcoming that. There’s always a way and never a reason to exclude all women.” Before that, I had only ever seen that shit online, and it was surrounded by so much TRA speak that I was already just going along with that it didn’t register. It was an entirely different feeling to hear it in person. I didn’t peak then, but it was soon after. The person who said it is a heterosexual woman.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

until you’ve been able to get help overcoming that.

Help with conversion therapy to overcome homosexuality?

and never a reason to exclude all women

There is always a reason to exclude anyone and any group of people for any reason from your sexual life and dating pool. I dislike very tall guys (190-195+ cm), for example, I am excluding all of them from my dating pool instantly. It does not make me tallphobic, it does not mean I hate all tall people. I am excluding muslims as well from my dating pool (because I know we will not get along, and there no reason for both parties to suffer), it does not make me islamophobic either. I have more than a dozen of transsexual friends (funnily enough, they are all gender critical), but I never will date or have sex with any of them, I do not hate any of them either, the opposite is true - I love them as friends (we have word for this in our language). Love is not "I want to have sex with you", hate is not "I don't want to have sex with you", feelings are not only about acts of sex.

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Help with conversion therapy to overcome homosexuality?”

Not just her homosexuality. Help with being willing to endure conversion therapy to overcome both her sexuality and convince herself that this conversion therapy will cure her of the trauma she experienced from being sexually assaulted by multiple males. The person saying this shit to her knows of her assault. I remember thinking at the time that if a non trans male wanted my friend to fuck him this same person would be disgusted.

“There is always a reason to exclude anyone and any group of people for any reason from your sexual life and dating pool.”

Unless they’re trans, apparently. /s

I should note they initially said “I don’t know, but...” in response to my friend’s question. It sounded like they were regurgitating the party line.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Help with conversion therapy to overcome homosexuality?

Fkn this!

Those people and their allies are so homophobic and not even realizing that they are acting literally like conservative homophobes, they are even repeating word to word same words and ideas.

[–]BigMommyMilkersYes, they're real 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The person who said it is a heterosexual woman.

Did you question her willingness to date a dickless FtM?

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 14 insightful - 11 fun14 insightful - 10 fun15 insightful - 11 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, “if I were single I would.”

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

monogamy is heteronormative you need to do your part and be polyamorous with a trans man

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The person who said it is a homophobic woman.

The audacity of her. I hope your lesbian friend stood up for herself.

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

She didn’t. She was just silent and felt guilty. Later I had to tell her she had the right to date or not date whomever she chose. I should’ve said it in front of the other woman.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At least you assure your friend that it was okay to be a lesbian. But the next time this homophobe gives your friend shit in front of you again, repeat what you’ve said to your friend in front of the homophobe.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The person who said it is a heterosexual woman.

Yep: reading your story (so appallingly-typical of the trans-besieged hellscape in which we find ourselves), I was just waiting for the now-familiar coda: "Brought to you by a straight chick!" Because doesn't that so often seem to be the case? Heterosexual women as tireless trans-PR flacks, forever hounding lesbians to embrace "girldick". WTF??? Why are they, in particular, so intent on this?

I've always wondered: could it be that THEY feel safe from obligatory "girldick"? Don't think they'll ever have to put their money where their proverbial mouth is? "Oh, yeah? Well, if it's so great, why don't YOU try it?" Because their heterosexuality is a "transwoman" turn-off? Can't be any chance that women are into him as a guy, since that's not "validating" of his all-important ladyfeelz, so only lesbians will do. Meaning that the creepy dudes-in-dresses will never come after them! WHEW.

How I wanna hear these girldick-cheerleaders being met by lesbians with, "You first! Oh, you'd really LOVE to, if only you weren't straight? Haven't you heard that everyone's supposed to be pan now? And sexuality is fluid? And "hearts not parts"? Unlearn your genital fetishism, bigot! Show some empathy to these poor sexually-deprived transwomen-- all that girldick ain't gonna suck itself! So get busy, unless you're a transphobe! REEEEEE!"

Think maybe that'd cure 'em of this TRA bullshit?

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes! I think they know they’re safe from “girldick”. I’d love to see them respond to being pressured to date and sleep with transmen.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Heterosexual women as tireless trans-PR flacks, forever hounding lesbians to embrace "girldick".

Yeah, really, why the hell is this? I keep seeing this pattern, e.g. on twitter, straight women (usually white, TQ liberal) talking about trans women. But 0 mention for trans men.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Vancouver Rape Relief situation was my main "peaking" point.

If talking personally about me - my ex-boyfriend became trans-identified male, and the most stereotypical one, with "I am better woman that women" speech, and similar things.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Went back to college and joined the LGBT club. On the first meeting, it was all "pronouns and gender neutral toilets". In other words, trans, trans and trans. I stopped going after one meeting.

I continued to support allowing transsexuals to transition for another two years after that, but it was that point when I learned that transgender ideology has taken over and dominated LGB spaces. Since then, my support for the T has slowly been erased.

If I kept going to meetings held by that club, I would have stopped supporting the T altogether sooner than two years after that.

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I peaked in 2018, but the seeds were planted before over the course of 4 years. In 2014, I had an encounter with a HSTS in a bar who started bashing on gay men for not wanting to interact with him. I was polite and let him speak, but he started referring to all of us as faggots because, god forbid, we go to gay bars to network with other gay men to find hook-ups and relationships. It's like his dumb ass forgot what these spaces were for the minute he started wearing high heels and downing estrogen.

Over the next few years, I had several encounters with HSTS & BSTS in gay bars that reaffirmed for me that transitioning is just about internalized self-hated. Everything they complain about gay men doing, they do ten-fold. Not to mention I've seen the amount of pressure they put on GNC gay men to transition, especially if they do drag.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

HSTS

That’s a gay man who wanted to become a woman, yes? Because that definitely is internalised homophobia. This man you speak of, and people like Kat Blaque, are examples of gay men who talk shit about gay men as soon as they transition. Furthermore, it’s not going to increase the dating pool, because only some bisexuals - and I mean some - are going to date and sleep with transsexuals.

[–]CheesyPeas 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

gay crossdresser here. The amount of people who tell me I must be trans beggars belief. Literally for decades now.

No honey, you do not know me better than I know myself, now kindly fuck off. Is my usual reply.

[–]a_blue_bird 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You know all the online stories about someone lying about being cis, purposely hiding things from you to have (awkward) sex, harassing you and calling you a bigot for caring about anatomy instead of ''the soul'' of the person, claiming to be an enlightened bisexual themselves, despite having never shown any interest in the same sex etc.? Yeah, all of that.

[–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus, that happened to you? I'm so sorry.

[–]julesburm1891 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

  1. Pre-peaking, a friend told me to read The Argonauts by Maggie Nelson. Afterwards, I pointed out the obvious fact that the author was a straight woman pretending to be gay while also telling gays and lesbians how to live their lives. The friend got angry at me and told me I was an obtuse bigot. We stopped speaking after that.

  2. I had the audacity that to point out that Ezra Miller is a straight guy who likes makeup and that doesn’t make him gay or able to speak on behalf of gay people. A different friend told me I was a homophobic asshole for that.

  3. Met a real-life AGP transbian who very clearly fetishizes lesbians. I got to watch a bunch of people pretend it was fine and normal.

  4. Being told by a longtime friend that sexuality is fluid and that I should go with the flow.

  5. Seeing national gay rights organizations (e.g. GLAAD) tout the exact same ideas I had rammed down my throat in conversion therapy as progressive.

  6. Having to stop going to the gay bar in town because it was overrun with creepy transwomen.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Pre-peaking, a friend told me to read The Argonauts by Maggie Nelson. Afterwards, I pointed out the obvious fact that the author was a straight woman pretending to be gay while also telling gays and lesbians how to live their lives.

I'm not familiar with Maggie Nelson, is she trans identified or something?

Met a real-life AGP transbian who very clearly fetishizes lesbians. I got to watch a bunch of people pretend it was fine and normal.

Please drop some stories.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Am also really curious to hear more about that second piece!

[–]fuck_reddit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I havent read it, but a book review i read basically says she claims to be “”queer”” because her bio male bf is “fluidly-gendered” (and ofc they have a kid together, soooooo queer of them, ugh).

[–]zerosis 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For me, if I had to think of a specific moment, I think it was when one of my trans friends outright told everyone at the breakfast meeting we were at that a lesbian not dating people with dicks is transphobic and invalidating, and vice versa for gay men/vaginas. I just had this 'whoahh, hold the fuck up' kind of mental reaction, and it all spiraled from there. I used to be so supportive of the TRA movement, and to be honest part of me wishes I could just go back to that. It was easier to just go along with it, I wasn't in danger of losing my family, friends, sanity, everything. Now I've seen and realized things that I can't ignore, and I have to shut up and pretend like I'm okay with the T completely taking over my community. Fuck. I hate 2020 so much.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve[S] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's funny how as a gay man you're now the one who has the toe the line and be afraid of losing loved ones for being a "bigot"

[–]zerosis 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's terrifying and exhausting. I feel like shit for dismissing the concerns of lesbians dealing with this very thing for so long before this.

[–]FrostyNugsI'm allergic to nuts 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That time my girlfriend(at the time) defended Riley J Dennis and Rachel McKinnon to me. "if you're legit attracted to someone and want to date them, but finding out they have a dick and thus are trans kills that maybe there's some underlying bigotry shit there." She then backpedaled with something along the lines of nooooo I don't think genital preferences are necessarily transphobic, I just think people should be more introspective on why they don't like dicks!!! Like honey, this is definitely not the nuanced gigabrain take you think it is. As a lesbian I have literally been told this shit about regular dudes multiple times, it turns out that not much changes at all if they put on a cheap dress. A big part of the reason why she's my ex, tbh. That and the fact that I was always a lower priority in her life than her emotional vampire of a trans friend who would cry "dysphoria" solely to manipulate people, but that's a whole other story.

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Like honey, this is definitely not the nuanced gigabrain take you think it is.

Dude, LITERALLY!!! 9/10 times I have seen this, it was said with such a smug tone of "I'm clearly the nuanced thinker here". Lol.

I think part of the problem, is that so many of these people clearly lack boundaries. Or rather, that TQ ideology bakes in a lack of boundaries to people's view of the world.

I was always a lower priority in her life than her emotional vampire of a trans friend who would cry "dysphoria" solely to manipulate people, but that's a whole other story.

Ugh, that sounds awful, sorry to hear you had to deal with that.

[–]FrostyNugsI'm allergic to nuts 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah she was one of those people who thought that breadtube was the pinnacle of intellect lmao. I'm pretty sure she's actually dating the transwoman now, and in hindsight I kinda suspect she started doing so a while before I broke up with her. Her loss tbfh, I am a wayyyy better catch than a needy, perma-NEET, "non-binary trans lesbian."

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Her loss tbfh

Damn right. And you dodged a bullet!

Also-- tron..? Do you mean the movie?

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

lol I think she means the slur that gets your comment removed

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh my bad hahaha.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Someone pulled the "trans people are valid because intersex people exist" argument in real life, right to my face. They had no idea I was intersex. It took all of my willpower not to slap them (unfortunately this was in public)

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did you verbally slap 'em? Cuz from what I've seen, the Salty version of that is probably more devastating, honestly! (And sounds like this let's-use-intersex-people-as-human-shields dumbass really had it coming.)

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You should've said so! I would love to know their reaction.

[–]Constantine 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So many possibilities....

  1. Just hearing all of this about being a man trapped in a woman’s body or vice versa didn’t make any sense to me and seemed contradictory with feminism. That was the first step.

  2. The Hypatia controversy (look it up, it was basically a situation in academia about the trans-racial issue) blew up in my major field and it was nuts. This was the big thing for me that made me GC.

  3. Seeing flyers that there were only five gender neutral bathrooms in the liberal arts buildings on my campus, and this amounted to violence. I counted up and I don’t think there were even five women’s bathrooms in these buildings.

  4. My friend getting trounced in a student senate election by a clearly inferior idiot because she wasn’t as big on the aforementioned bathroom issue. Apparently this was the most important thing ever on campus.

  5. A professor had a crazy experience with Rachel McKinnon. That person is nuts.

  6. One of my close male friends becoming a “lesbian.” Though I was already GC by this point, I never would’ve dreamed a male would actually call himself a lesbian.

  7. Another male friend, who is gay, identifying as trans and screaming at a poor old immigrant woman who didn’t speak more than three words of English about bathrooms. I still don’t know why he did this, she wasn’t saying anything about trans people or bathrooms. It was so strange.

  8. Going to a conference and seeing a presentation that was so flagrantly anti-science and anti-feminist (it was about the female brains in men’s bodies again) that I couldn’t even believe what I was hearing.

  9. Lots of other experiences that weren’t trans-related but seriously made me question third wave feminism as a whole, which made it easier to question the trans issue.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve[S] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Seeing flyers that there were only five gender neutral bathrooms in the liberal arts buildings on my campus, and this amounted to violence.

I'm starting to get the irritation about college kids.

[–]Constantine 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Trust me, however bad it is out in the “real world,” it’s nothing compared to these campuses. It’s basically if Reddit were a physical place. Not kidding.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A professor had a crazy experience with Rachel McKinnon. That person is nuts.

would love to hear this story

[–]Constantine 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Alas, I think the details would be too identifying to put on the Internet publicly. But suffice it to say that this individual is just as big a frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic in real life as on Twitter.

[–]strawberrycake 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The first seeds of doubt were planted when a lesbian friend of mine came out as a “gay man”. It made no sense to me, especially because she would say how she was secretly misogynistic and she was only a lesbian to “be the man” in the relationship. It sounded really off to me, but I accepted it because that was the progressive thing to do at the time. This was about 6 years ago before things really took off.

A lot of stuff online peaked me. However, meeting non-binaries for the first time is what got to me. They were all consistently narcissistic, nasty people. One of them would act nice in front of the managers and then weaponize her identity against anyone she didn’t like. She almost got an older woman fired who had a learning disability (she tried so hard to remember her stupid pronouns, the poor lady). I realized she was just a straight woman with short hair. I started to question a lot after that.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That does sound really misogynistic.

a lesbian friend of mine came out as a “gay man”

This whole concept makes the least sense to me. Because if she knew she was lesbian and into only women... did she like, think her attraction suddenly changed when she came out as trans, too? Same with a straight male who decides he is a straight trans woman, THEN says he is a "lesbian" trans woman, a la Contrapoints. It's like... why would you assume your sexual orientation was what stayed the same, as opposed to the feeling of who you are attracted to? Ugh, mental gymnastics.

[–]DimDroog 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She almost got an older woman fired who had a learning disability (she tried so hard to remember her stupid pronouns, the poor lady).

Goddamn that is sick.

[–]Seahorse 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I fucking HATE the previously lesbian so called "gay" transmen.

As if lesbians didn't need any more bullshit arguments against our sexuality.

[–]strawberrycake 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Unfortunately, I know two different women who identified as lesbians becoming “gay men”. Another one I knew who didn’t transition was dating a man last I checked. I know lesbians are a thing of course I just feel like this fixation on labels isn’t always a good thing for people.

[–]Seahorse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that the stigma with bisexuals means some actual bisexual people avoid the label entirely, not realising that they're the ones that damage it.

The worst thing to happen to sexuality was getting it mixed up with "identity". I don't "identify as" a lesbian, I am one. But other people treat their sexuality as their identity, what they are currently clinging to at that state of mind and time.

[–]SerpensInferna 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This was about 20 years ago, so I don't believe TRA insanity is a new thing, it has just been amplified by the internet.

I worked at a women's domestic violence shelter for many years, and management would sometimes bring in speakers on various topics to help us expand our knowledge and skill set. They brought in a MtF activist to educate us on the (what was at the time called) the transsexual population. Which, sure, I didn't really have a firm opinion either way. But this person was absolutely nuts, every talking point the TRAs have now he was throwing out then, even to the point of badgering one of my co-workers into saying that if one of our resident women in the shelter were to express discomfort sharing the house with a transwoman, we would kick the real woman out to make space for the TW. It left such a bad taste, that what was intended to be a safe space for women and children who had experienced real trauma, would be so thoughtlessly demanded by biological men.

There's also my insufferable former friend, who once thought he was an elf to the point of spending an insane amount of time learning Quenya (Tolkien's Elvish language), and now thinks himself to be a woman.

[–]DimDroog 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's also my insufferable former friend, who once thought he was an elf to the point of spending an insane amount of time learning Quenya (Tolkien's Elvish language), and now thinks himself to be a woman.

LMAO!

Also, got any details?

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

earning Quenya (Tolkien's Elvish language), and now thinks himself to be a woman.

Excuse me you bigot, it's Tans elfwoman.

[–]reluctant_commenter 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just wanted to say I really appreciate you making this thread. It's fascinating to hear people's IRL stories.

Here's mine: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/6hew/small_victory_a_rant_talked_to_a_friend_about/

Short version: Lesbian friend I know IRL was told by multiple people, unprompted, that she must actually be a man and is trans.

[–]Seahorse 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've watched a friend transition and go from being a generally kind and considerate person. To a self absorbed, lying and cruel piece of work.

I've also watched my partner get treated horribly by her straight "woke" siblings because she has the nerve to be concerned about women's rights.

It's a fucken cult and I'd rather never associate with anyone in the "queer community" at this point. For the most part religious people are more considerate and respectful (which sounds fucking insane).

Oh I also forget to mention my uber woke aunt tried to argue with me that I'd be attracted to a trans woman if I "didn't know". Yep.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I'd be attracted to a trans woman if I "didn't know".

didn't know what a penis looked like?

[–]Seahorse 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, unfortunately this was the mythical hypothetical where said trans would have had all the appropriate surgeries.

We argued back and forth when I stated they were still male despite outwardly appearing female and that, as a homosexual woman, I'm not attracted to males.

She seemed to pipe down when I explained a butch woman is still a female despite appearing masculine or crudely put more like a man

[–]S4V0S7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm starting to hear all the TRA crap in real-life, like it was something different seeing it online all the time, but i never believed i would have to deal with that crap offline. Having all this TRA stuff getting accepted by society now is making me really afraid of the future.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Where are you hearing it? What have you heard?

[–]S4V0S7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm from Germany and all this "Gays have to accept Men with Vaginas" shit and the other stuff.