[meme] Feminism in 2021

milkmender11 · 2021-03-23T20:56:45+00:00

All available information does indeed suggest that he is a leftist and a Muslim. Moreover, we can be confident that the media would dispell these claims if they were myths. Silence is their preferred reaction to narrative-confounding variables in these vases.

That being said, fearing Muslims in the USA is like fearing snapping turtles. It's not impossible for a snapping turtle to be a threat to you, but there are a million+1 things that are more worthy of your fear.

milkmender11 · 2021-03-11T02:57:57+00:00

Shouldn't the opinions of actual atheletes be more important? I bet those numbers would be much higher.

milkmender11 · 2022-01-24T21:49:39+00:00

Nah we don't do that here. I like SE. Refreshing and undebiably dedicated troll methodology. Old school 4chan would be proud. Besides if you ban him, who the heck would even still be on this site. It's like him and four other people

milkmender11 · 2021-11-28T22:14:15+00:00

American Christians abandoned Christmas to leftism and commercialism. They abandoned their posts. Hollywood just came in and decided to market the pieces back to us.

milkmender11 · 2022-01-25T04:40:40+00:00

ShalomEveryone is a master-level troll and this post's engagement stands as a testament to his skill and dedication. The fact that he has not posted here only goes to reinforce his patience and nuance, two of the most overlooked and important aspects of an excellent troll. You may not be commenting here SE, but we know you are with us, watching over us.

milkmender11 · 2020-08-27T11:46:32+00:00

Honestly, that is so disgusting, it didn't even occur to me. Even with this being a classic AGP, even with how bizarre it is for a boy to take his cousin's pad every two hours, I didn't realize that he is obviously using them as masturbatory aids until you actually said it. The fact that we are socially subsidizing this kink as some kind of victimhood is nothing short of staggering.

milkmender11 · 2022-01-29T04:41:59+00:00

What do you need? Opiates? Benzos? Muscle relaxers? We got you at your local pharmacy, bro

milkmender11 · 2022-01-25T05:09:42+00:00

I would expect any dedicated troll to indeed be mentally ill, hypocritical, and hateful. That's why we troll and the veridical reality of those characterizations is not lost on us. This is an art form that you don't 'get'--no, it is more than that. This art form depends and relies on you. You are the most important ingredient in SE's trolling. Thank you for being a part of our community! I, for one, am very glad you are here. Your presence enriches my Saidit experience, and I truly do mean that earnestly.

milkmender11 · 2020-08-06T19:13:54+00:00

I was waiting for her book excitedly, but now halfway through it, I'm disappointed with how reliant it is on garden-variety conservative talking points. IMO nobody puts it better than the detransitioners, we don't need to regress into gender essentialism to reject regressive trans activism

milkmender11 · 2022-03-03T04:14:44+00:00

Almost as white as Japan

milkmender11 · 2021-06-01T21:27:59+00:00

Yes, precisely! Very tan. Black people would not do this sort of thing. They are the most moral and virtuous people in the country.

milkmender11 · 2021-06-01T19:10:22+00:00

Are you blind? This is a white man who did it. As usual.

milkmender11 · 2022-03-25T13:22:45+00:00

Damn, we have got to do better on the music front. All of this fasci 'music' is such steaming horseshit, it makea rap seem like Wagner. We had Bach, we had Mussorgsky, and THIS is what we come up with to represent our movement? It's copy-pasted trash from the punk era. It isn't even vaguely original. I'm a trained classical musician and it sickens me to see us reduced to this. No wonder people think we are so feckless.

milkmender11 · 2022-02-24T02:06:55+00:00

I will often troll on reddit and call for unprovoked violence against conservatives, terfs, the unvaccinated and white people generally, for political reasons. Never been banned or gotten a warning for it. Sometimes they delete my comment, that is all. You can openly suggest that unvaccinated people or people who criticize trans/BLM ought to have their homes broken into and be beaten, robbed, or murdered. You might get your comment deleted, not likely to be worse than that, as long as you don't come across to obviously as a troll.

milkmender11 · 2022-01-25T05:48:07+00:00

And yet here you are, engaging on my comment, a comment with virtually 0 engagement apart from you. You do care. You are here, with me, typing back and forth. You aren't communicating to an audience. You are comminicating with me and you know it. We are here together in this tiny little comment thread that barely another soul will see. This is why 'care more' is such a classic troll refrain. You are here, typing, you care. Regardless of what you say about intending to speak to someone besides me. If you really meant that, you wouldn't reply to me here. Please do, though! There is only one way I 'lose' here, and that door closed the moment you replied.

I understand your critique. In the long term, I can envision some possible futures in which you are actually entirely correct. I think the problem runs deeper though. The issue isn't that nobody challenges it. The issue is that there are invested entities that actively stifle our societal inclination and ability to challenge it. Their dominance would have to be contested before challenging trolls like SE would have any meaningful effect. I think you are putting the cart before the horse, so I'm not concerned with whether your analyais is correct or not. I would sooner hear an argument about how you think trolls like SE damage the quality of Saidit as a community.

milkmender11 · 2022-01-25T05:41:01+00:00

Oh, cut the disingenuous faux-concern. Your posts are dripping, dripping with supercillious contemptuousness. We aren't redditors. We know you. We're all kind of like you here. At least I openly ridicule you, you aren't fooling anyone in pretending that you are acting in good faith. That's why I mocked you for acting so. That was the joke. Swoosh.

So don't backpeddle now and say you were doing anything other than saying you want SE and I gone. This isn't a debate, we both know you. We are both walking into this knowing what is in your head. It's just you and I here, nobody else gives a shit about this speck of a thread in this solitary post on this obscure corner of the internet. This is functionally DMs between us to. Drop the act and tell me what you really think of me. HIT ME damnit HIT ME

You have failed to offer a justification of why your marvellously vague and frankly bizarre interpretation of the rules is correct. You seem to think it is a given simply because you say it. So let's so the Saiddit thing, if you want to 'follow the rules' so badly. What is your argument? Give me the specifics. How is SE breaking the rules? And how is your argument rooted in a reasonable and objective interpretation of the rules, absent your own personal conjecture?

Your boring attempt at satire is tedious and predictably plain.

My friend... How can I explain this... That isn't how this works. I'm not defending myself, trying to demonstrate that to you that my words are not tedious or plain. That is the point. YOU are the point. Eliciting that reaction, specifically, from you, is the point. I would be sarcastic, tedious, plain, sardonic, insightful, or creative, only just to receive this response from you, specifically. That is how trolling works. That is its lifeblood. Welcome to the internet.

It is interesting that you find my suggestion to be tedious and plain, though. That indicates you have received the same suggestion repeatedly, to the point where it has become excrutiatingly banal. You even imply that I commit a faux pas by invoking such supposedly quotidian tropes. Curious--I have never received the suggestion myself. Most of us here haven't. What is unique about you that it comes so frequently?... The mob doesn't agree on much, you know. Perhaps there is some wisdom in their consistent critique of you.

milkmender11 · 2021-01-14T17:36:55+00:00

The fact that you live in an echo chamber and are too close-minded to have friends of multiple political views is your own failure, and no one else's.

milkmender11 · 2021-12-06T18:39:23+00:00

These standards are old as dirt. Every time we try to allow miscegenated White types into our movements, they do exactly what we can expect corrupted genes to do.

Look, I empathize. You've got some polluted genes. Your heritage isn't pure European. But does that really mean you should damage the future of our movement by spreading that pollution? Simply do what you can to aid your pureblooded brothers, and prune yourself from the tree of life.

milkmender11 · 2021-12-06T02:41:56+00:00

Let's not pretend all Europeans are equal, though. That's just another variety of colorblind progressivism. We all know the ideal White form--the Teutonic and the Nordic types. These are the only Europeans with a future in our ethnostate. Anglo-Saxons, Iberians, Sarmatians, Laplanders, Fins, and all manner of what Thomas Huxley called 'dark whites' are no more a part of our European race than the Hindus and Semitics are.

milkmender11 · 2021-12-02T01:15:49+00:00

Flavor-aid

milkmender11 · 2021-11-27T19:58:54+00:00

several similar unsurprising studies in several countries, including also the US and UK, where it is shown that people and immigrants without money (and from countries where they also had not much money) sometimes resort to crime, and some of those crimes include rapes

Excuse me? This is disgustingly racist. You are a racist.

milkmender11 · 2021-09-23T15:51:13+00:00

Jews are also white. This is a battle between conflicting white tribes, not a war of whites vs. Jews. You're cousins.

milkmender11 · 2021-02-25T15:42:27+00:00

Conservatives told us this would result in child abuse. They were laughed at, people said that was a ridiculous 'slippery slope' argument with no basis in reality. Yet here we are.

milkmender11 · 2021-02-08T05:51:48+00:00

It's only a matter of time before lawsuits start popping up in the US. As powerful as liberal propaganda is, money is still stronger in the West. When people realize that there is cash on the table, and all they need to do to claim it is betray the trans hivemind, they will do so gladly, and in droves.

milkmender11 · 2020-09-08T21:56:30+00:00

Wow, that top comment advice is straight up, unfiltered Red Pill/PUA manosphere misogyny. We really have come full circle, haven't we?

milkmender11 · 2020-08-07T18:09:31+00:00

How dare you. This perfectly valid woman said there is a government conspiracy, who are we do deny her reality? You might as well be saying she doesn't exist. She said there is a government conspiracy, so obviously that is valid and there is one

milkmender11 · 2023-02-25T00:45:47+00:00

Well my leg is warm and wet and smells of ammonia, but you're telling me it's raining, so it must be rain. I should have brought an umbrella! Never can predict these sudden showers.

milkmender11 · 2022-02-26T00:07:28+00:00

radicalcentrist? I remember you. I stomped you in a debate about race about a month ago. You floundered before giving up replying altogether after I started getting deeper into the science than you were prepared to discuss. Have you read up on genetics since then?

milkmender11 · 2022-01-16T09:29:33+00:00

In terms of sexual selection, East Asian women have the most gracile features. This doesn't mean they are 'the most attractive,' since that phrasing is inevitably a matter of personal opinion. However we can modify the question a bit so it has an objective answer:

All other things equal, what race of woman would the highest number of men find to be most attractive, on average?

For purposes of simplicity we will ignore the conditioning that people go through to be attracted to this or that (not something that can be ignored IRL, but you understand). East Asian women are more neotenous, more gracile, slighter of frame, less inclined towards corpulence, and more demure by nature. However, East Asians have the lowest genetic diversity of all races, and are most genetically distinct from the original African type. Remember, as you move away from Africa, genetic diversity decreases. Therefore they are 'more different' from other races than other races are to each other, and there are fewer outliers, generally speaking. So while as a matter of evolution, East Asian women are probably the most universally attractive on average, we ought not to expect them to have as many standouts as other races. So they would be more beautiful on average, but rarely would an East Asian be the most beautiful individual example. Most people probably don't think about this in terms of averages and instead visualize a handful of the most attractive women they have ever seen, probably settling on 'white' unless they have a particular inclination. But that is hardly a scientific way to answer the question. Think of all the homely women in that mental sample that you have left out. There are probably more unfortunate looking white women than East Asians (per capita), if you're really honest.

It's a shame that the African females are generally considered unattractive. It isn't their fault. They only had to compete with each other in Africa, where the dark complexion and more robust features, higher testosterone, etc., were all useful in that environment. Now they have to compete with hyper-gracile Asian females and white standouts that just weren't around in their ancestral environment. However for that same reason, black men are considered more attractive in the West (and East Asian men less so). According to this notion, though, some of the most beautiful individual women in the world would be at least partially black, rare as they might be. Take that as you will.

At the level of physical attraction, it's all reducible to simple universals as matters of ontogeny and endocrinological development. We're still apes at the end of the day. The psychological element makes things much more complex--I could write a whole thesis about that, which is why I did write a whole thesis about that, back in my masters days.

milkmender11 · 2022-01-16T09:13:36+00:00

Some ethnonationalist you are, why not raise a mixed family then? Hybrid vigor is fashionable nowadays

milkmender11 · 2022-01-10T18:28:07+00:00

Thanks for reminding me about 9/11 and Pearl Harbor! I had forgotten about them completely. When I saw the mangled bodies from Jan 6, the rivers of blood, the murdered children lying in the street, I simply forgot those lesser attacks of 9/11 and Pearl Harbor. I used to be one of those deluded conspiracy theorists who thought that MAGA folk were just garden variety conservatives, union folk, and even more of a rainbow coalition than any conservative movement in American history. But Jan 6 proved to us all that the White Supremacist hordes are coming for us all. I knew that we used to say 'Never Forget' about something besides Jan 6, but as the media has rightly implied, Jan 6 is the rightful reference of that phrase.

milkmender11 · 2021-10-22T14:39:45+00:00

I don't think overweight neckbeards quite make the cut for 'master race' but you do you

milkmender11 · 2023-01-20T03:53:58+00:00

'White' is not an actual race category, so I wouldn't expect them to have a cohesive overarching narrative either. They are quite dilute, both genetically and idealogically.

milkmender11 · 2022-03-25T13:17:07+00:00

It was foolish and naive of them to do that, but it most certainly is indeed a game. They are pawns, not players--the players are elsewhere, safe and sound. It is a game being played with people's lives.

milkmender11 · 2022-01-25T04:46:53+00:00

Ah, I see--you are suggesting that, because I like SE, I should leave and go somewhere else so you can have a Saiddit that more closely resembles what you wish it to be, absent SE and I. I understand your meaning and grasp your suggestion in the good faith with which it was made.

I likewise have a suggestion to offer. Since it is your preference to ban SE, and to ask me to leave Saidit, I believe your priorities are less aligned with Saidit and more aligned with a different forum-style site that you may or may not be aware of.

Please direct yourself to: www.reddit.com

They would love to have you! Your censorious inclination is precisely what they are looking for over there! You will fit in magnificently.

milkmender11 · 2022-01-01T08:00:26+00:00

As a stupendously pretentious high-IQ and educated person with 5 degrees (BS, BM [classical music, I play at a professional level], MA, MS, PhD), I find about the same rate of fellow intellectuals on reddit as I do saiddit, per capita. The ones on reddit skew left and the ones here skew right. However threads here don't get pinched by mods, which is a plus. But truth be told, there are still plenty of subreddits with low moderation that escape the eyes of the establishment. As long as those communities exist, the niche saiddit is trying to fill will already be largely occupied.

milkmender11 · 2021-10-22T15:09:56+00:00

Geez I thought we were just trolling I didn't realize you were actually taking all this so personally. Relax man it's just some ribbing on the internet. Not worth blowing a gasket over. peace

milkmender11 · 2021-07-17T06:37:46+00:00

Wow, you guys descended from supposedly rational arguments into belligerent name-calling but right quick. I haven't got a horse in this race, just here to see both sides, but they say that the side which resorts to this 'argument' first is the one with the losing rhetoric, and it sure looks that way from here. Even if he is a troll, did you not have a better retort? Will you spout profanity at me now, too? How far your 'proud' race has fallen! You don't come across as proud so much as bitter and jaded. Are you mixed?

milkmender11 · 2021-06-24T01:39:39+00:00

Indeed it does work--in the short term. Like with environmental pollution, it is a check drawn at the expense of future generations. It does enormous cultural damage to our children. But it is very profitable!!

milkmender11 · 2021-05-26T21:32:41+00:00

There is back-to-back pro-Palestine coverage on mainstream leftist news, though. Where are we getting this idea that there is a media blackout because of Zionism? My phone gets bombarded with new mainstream pro-Palestine stories daily at this point.

milkmender11 · 2023-02-26T20:59:46+00:00

dude relax the post was good the reply was supportive and now you are making yourself look lowkey unhinged ngl. Chin up it gets better

milkmender11 · 2023-01-10T23:51:51+00:00

Contrary to popular belief, on the whole at this time, according to some potential accounts, it has been said that there are those who feel that it could be true that some possible "Church Organizations" were not at all moments in time 100% entirely opposed to bathing in of itself, per se, inclusive of healthy doubt.

thanks for the masterclass in weasel words

milkmender11 · 2022-02-26T00:15:28+00:00

Happy to remind you.

https://saidit.net/comments/8kqu/comment/w091

We had discussions going in multiple threads there, and you simply stopped replying in each one. Regardless of being right or wrong, it is bad optics that you won't commit to defending your arguments and instead bow out when the material reaches a certain level of sophistication.

milkmender11 · 2022-01-03T01:31:40+00:00

I once used my BM while having a BM

milkmender11 · 2021-11-29T04:20:56+00:00

Forgive you for not believing that I live in Bumfuck, Middle-of-Nowhere, American Midwest? I'm just tickled that for once people are skeptical about it. For the longest time, people just said, "Oh... and that is... where, exactly?" All of a sudden nobody believes me, it's hilarious.

Indeed I do. In a regional newspaper they mention that it is annual, but they held it earlier this year anticipating that the winter might involve lockdowns. I'm not going to dox myself by sharing a pic of it to satiate the curiosity of a rando on Saiddit who has already decided that he isn't going to believe anyone but himself, though.

milkmender11 · 2021-11-28T22:25:33+00:00

You honestly believe this? Come on, man, don't be so gullible. This goes deeper than you realize. TPTB are using the event to fool you into believing bogus conspiracy theories so you miss the REAL conspiracy that is right in front of you. They planted the phony 'evidence' to make it look like a hoax AFTER the fact. To throw you off the trail. The reality is that this guy actually did run over a bunch of people, but then they had agents come in to delete footage, brainwash witnesses, plant false evidence, etc. Just look around, the proof is everywhere. Don't be such a sheep.

milkmender11 · 2021-11-25T17:35:02+00:00

You didn't address the substance of my post, though. Purity is real. When we talk about the European type, we are referring to specific traits that, in fact, only a minority of Europeans even have. We are referring to the most pure forms, the Nord and the Teuton. Everything else deviates from that ideal. Are we to tolerate dark-white Moorish influence from Southern Italy or Spain in our vision of a future ethnostate? What about the still-serviceable but ultimately miscegenated Anglo-Saxon? This debate had already surfaced in the early 20th century. We can't pretend this isn't of major importance, not even to court a bit more support for our causes.

milkmender11 · 2021-07-18T06:58:09+00:00

A lot of people care that you are calling me a schizophrenic Jew. I am worried that this will impact my life negatively, because what you say matters a lot. Won't you please take your comments down before people see?

Now assumptions based on appearances are bad? The other guys said this was about resounding answers, not nuanced assumptions that involve detailed understanding of everyone's parental lineages. Do you agree with what he said or not?

It's great that you did a lot of background reading on Logic. If you put a picture of him in front of random Americans, don't say his name, don't talk about his parents, what would they say his race is? Society will give a resounding answer, and it won't be the same as what you want it to be. Again, if you have a disagreement with the Sheikh, why are you responding to me? Respond to him.

I'll gladly not talk to a kike battling with his schizophasia whilst attempting to do tactical nihilism.

Lol, you got all of that wrong. Not a Jew. Atheist. Not a schizo. OCD. Not a 'he.' Biofemale.

I have only the faintest idea of what tactical nihilism is, but I can clearly see how you mean it here--it means 'disregards the arguments I like'! Nice buzzword, though. Very cool. Makes you sound super smart

milkmender11 · 2021-02-27T02:18:45+00:00

Your vote matters!

milkmender11 · 2023-03-07T15:15:53+00:00

""Asian" includes offenders who are Arab, Arab/West Asian, Asian-East and Southeast, Asian-South, Asian West, Asiatic, Chinese, East Indian, Filipino, Japanese, Korean, South Asian, South East Asian."

The other source you gave is specifically for the South Asian population. Do you have any figures for the South Asian prison population?

milkmender11 · 2023-02-27T19:17:20+00:00

From my observations, alt righters are indeed high iq. Probably a lot of them are on the spectrum. Analytical, smart, somewhat socially isolated. Their intelligence lends itself to good vocabularies but I might not call them 'well spoken' per se, because they can be somewhat oblivious to the conventions of speech. I haven't noticed any prominent trend in one direction or another on fitness--there are many more fat guys in your ranks than you seem to be aware of. They do seem much more family-consciois.

And yes lefties are a lost cause

milkmender11 · 2023-02-16T05:40:38+00:00

No it shouldn't, white is not a race. Aryan, Teuton, Anglo-saxon, Sarmatian, etc., these are races. The modern category of white is a hodgepodge mongrel category meant to distract us from the actual known divisions of races which we informally refer to as white but most certainly do not cohere as a single race.

Do not give into games meant to facetiously unite people of vastly different races just because they share a complexion.

milkmender11 · 2023-01-22T04:16:39+00:00

darn I already picked the other guy but if he declines you can have his timeslot

how you think those views would show up on google at all, I have no idea. I think you read half the comment, saw me paraphrase a media talking point, and assumed that it was my own point because you're more concerned with protecting your unexamined but comforting views than considering other perspectives. Classic alt right

milkmender11 · 2023-01-21T04:59:04+00:00

They don't plan to shut you up. Not beyond a certain point. At this point the disillusioned white mongrels of the alt right (they were never the top-shelf genetic stock--that's why they throw their lot in with race & country in [current year]) are useful idiots for the establishment. They need a bogeyman to point at, an impotent and slovenly coterie of largely useless and economically impoverished white men to serve as the supposed 'MAGA hordes' that are apparently ready to descend on civilized America as soon as Trump activates his 'sleeper cell networks.' It's a fiction and the alt right is part of it. Honestly, the establishment created the alt right. They directed its evolution towards further-right nationalism (a far cry from Milo's original vision) as much as possible, so their bogeyman creation would resemble most closely the convenient characterization that they wanted it to posses. There are of course people within the alt right that keep their focus and try to incline others to do the same, but I imagine that those few luminaries are disillusioned at this point. When your movement is so... dull!... then the proof is in the pudding. It isn't going anywhere unless it is commanded to go there by the same folk it claims to oppose.

Aka... the alt right is a bunch of lethargic white guys who never fulfilled their (frequently impressive) potential and live off of dreams of some revolution that will never come.

milkmender11 · 2023-01-20T03:50:24+00:00

Didn't you hear? It's already here. It's MtF trans.

milkmender11 · 2023-01-07T05:54:01+00:00

Exactly, you are right. Nobody in the world does this sort of thing, ever.

milkmender11 · 2023-01-04T22:31:08+00:00

This is an affront to God and an abomination in the eyes of Christ. Lucifer has earned himself a victory today.

milkmender11 · 2022-02-22T19:33:33+00:00

Interesting bet, let's see if it plays out. We're playing for pride. If you're right, you stay and the other guy leaves Seddit. If you're wrong, he stays and you leave. I will be back at the end of the month to enforce

milkmender11 · 2022-01-27T07:24:19+00:00

My good faith OP is about how I want trash off of SaidIt. I'm not pretending. You can leave with him if you like. You can guarantee that if you break the rules.

You call us trash and assert good faith in the same breath. You remind me of my best friend. He likewise has this streak wherein he may behave as a bad faith actor, but so long as he honestly believes that 'trash' is an objective assessment and not his own opinion, then in his mind, he is acting in good faith. In reality it is an inflation of self-opinion, if not outright narcissistic. You self-define your parameters as objective and so semantically reorganize the argument in a way that, in your view, you have won before anyone says a word in contest.

And on this obscure corner of the internet I don't want to read spam, trolls, shills, liars, bots, and rule breakers clogging and tangling up our threads.

You didn't decry SE as a spamming bot, and the spirit of your original post was to convince others that he is a rule-breaker, which shows that you are aware that it is not a given.

I do want trolls, shills, and liars here. I want to practice my ability to detect them (perhaps you would benefit from such practice as well, since your initial post seemed to suggest that you were on the fence about whether or not SE is a troll). So you have your opinion and I have mine. If you are so undeniably correct, where are the mods? MODS! I am a liar and a troll. I lie and troll on Saidit. I do other things too, but I hereby admit freely that I lie and troll. If this is a violation of the rules, please ban me. I will not circumvent the ban with a new account, I will simply respect your decision.

Let's wait on that and see what happens.

I don't think of you. I don't even remember interacting with your alias name before this post.

If I wrote texts this long to a girl, she would rightly suspect that I have a crush. It is quite flattering. Is it my sisquipedalian elocution?

Sealioning like you, plus lying and downward dragging to undermine SaidIt, as I've already stated.

The rules don't mention sealioning or trolling. The pyramid of debate says nothing of this. In fact, the pyramid suggests that if the trolling encourages respectful debate, then regardless of whether or not it is trolling, it is good Saidit content. SE usually exercises a high level of debate despite his trolling. I am glad that he does so, because he presents leftist remonstrance better than real leftists do. Debating SE is like jogging with a weighted vest. Good practice for debating the real lefties, who are too often mismatched if they try to debate at all. You and I here have remained nearly exclusively in the top three eschalons of the pyramid. I don't see anything in our exchange that is anything other than exemplary Saidit content. This post has more engagement than I have seen on Saidit in weeks.

I already see your rich vocabulary worth great respect (best I recall on SaidIt) but a cornucopia of vernacular flourishes without substantial ideas ultimately exhibits as an empty fragile vase ever yearning for ephemeral flowers.

See? We respect each other. The trolling SE and I do is sophisticated. We only troll people like us, people we respect. It's a delicacy, much more involved than trolling common idiots. It's easy to find them on reddit but they bore us. It truly does take a mentally ill hypocrite to do this sort of trolling, just as you said. We are very strange people, but we still contribute meaningfully to Saidit. You should be flattered that SE has (I presume) trolled you more often or more effortfully than most. It is a sign of respect. The three of us should get together for brews.

We write so similarly, if we suddenly censored our usernames and started arguing each others' side, people would have a hard time even telling who was who. Of course you respect me, because you respect yourself, and you recognize our similarities.

Magnificent Emerson quote. Bravo. I cede the point on the mob's evaluation

milkmender11 · 2022-01-10T17:59:19+00:00

Honest question--do you believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ? Do you accept the truth of the Bible, and that Christianity is the only true religion?

milkmender11 · 2021-12-06T18:37:56+00:00

Oh, sure! I agree with the strategy of using polluted Europeans / lesser Whites to help us promote our interests, for now. But as much as it is risky to alienate them by admitting the truth like this, it is MORE dangerous to convince ourselves that they have a place in our ethnostate. Polluted Whites do not belong. They are merely useful idiots.

milkmender11 · 2021-12-06T18:36:30+00:00

What difference does that make? That isn't even an argument. That is progressive color-blind utopian fantasy. Do you admit that the Nordic and Teutonic forms are the only pure varieties of European?

milkmender11 · 2021-11-25T17:29:52+00:00

Whiteness is obviously based on

No, it isn't obvious. "It is obvious" is not an argument. This is social science prevarication. You sound like a UCLA sociologist! Going on about laws and human attitudes--we have the science to assess this empirically. So let's.

Jared Taylor has a video on the history of race that I can find for you, but he did a damn good job at showing how consistent the definition was all throughout the years.

Jared Taylor did a terrible job in that video, which you would not know if you didn't take the time to verify the information for yourself. Don't watch youtube videos to get your information. Read "The Rise and Fall of the Caucasian Race." THAT is the gold standard for comprehensive history of Whiteness. It's a 300+ page book, not a shambolic youtube video put together by a closetted Asian Supremacist like Taylor.

where do physical and social characteristics come from? Why for example, would the U.S pass laws like Jim Crow or use the One drop rule if they didn't believe that Whiteness and Blacks were suppose to mix?

I see this far too often on this sub. A facetious deference to science coupled with a curious refusal to actually speak scientifically. It comes from being uninformed about genetics at a sufficiently high level to speak compendiously about race, and a fear that a leftist who knows more might show up and drop unfamiliar terminology. So we pretend to respect science while engaging in precisely the same silly sociological/anthropological humanities equivocation that leftists do.

Genetics is the ONLY way we can discuss race empirically. Everything else--legal, geographic, social, historical--is just a crude reference back to science. We HAVE the tools to discuss this correctly. Any focus other than genetics is simply inferior.

milkmender11 · 2021-11-25T06:10:01+00:00

We also have to keep heterosis (hybrid vigor) in mind. When offspring have parents from two diverse populations, they exhibit enhanced fitness. This is usually meant to refer to strong immune systems as a result of high heterozygosity from the two populations, but it likely applies to IQ as well. That would explain a large percentage of the big 'bump' with mixed black/white kids.

milkmender11 · 2021-11-21T02:42:34+00:00

It probably has less to do with social science notions of 'green space' and more to do with hard genetics. Asians are more closely related to each other than Whites. They are more comfortable in close proximity to each other because they share more genes.

milkmender11 · 2021-11-14T20:48:35+00:00

Don't we have to establish when whiteness began first? What are the origins of the various white races? How have they continued to fracture in the modern era? Which bloodlines have remained most pure? We must not assume that whiteness is a single race--that is more wishful thinking than reality.

milkmender11 · 2021-10-22T14:52:00+00:00

Obese BMI is obese.

milkmender11 · 2021-07-17T21:46:49+00:00

But I would have to dox myself in order to prove it. Are you asking me to dox myself?

milkmender11 · 2021-07-17T21:46:23+00:00

The program we usually use is called STRUCTURE. It's likewise the program where nearly all of the data from your link came from. STRUCTURE is hardly equipped to perform objective scientific analysis--it is, like many things in social science, a program which draws upon some scientific data to infuse it with social hypotheses and answer a specifically formulated, purposeful question. We can't use STRUCTURE to figure out true things about reality, the way we can use astronomical analysis packages to derive conclusions based on the data that a space probe collects. STRUCTURE requires a human element--the data, on its own, speaks for itself, as far as it can. We need to tell STRUCTURE what to look for, and in doing so, we tell it what is important to us, personally.

Take racial clusters, for instance. Those uneducated in genetic sciences see your link and assume that racial clusters are real, that they are true, and located in the data. They mistakenly believe that STRUCTURE draws this truth out of the data for all to see. However, STRUCTURE has no way to determine the correct number of racial clusters. We actually have to tell it how many we want to see. If you want to believe that there are 7 racial clusters, you can tell STRUCTURE to look for 7. It will find 7--after all, that's what you told it to do. If you ask it to find 12, it will find 12. The simplest operation is to tell STRUCTURE to find 1 cluster, and this is presently the most widely accepted number of racial clusters that exist. Sometimes the data looks more visually appealing to us, looks like it 'ought' to be 7, or 12, or 23. But we can always use a sharper magnifying glass, or take a step back, and see that, in terms of genetic science, there are only as many 'races' as we choose to see. Usually, we choose a certain number because we have a specific question, often epidemielogical, that we want to answer. The 'correct' number of races in each instance is whatever helps us answer that particular question.

I should point out that I am providing you the courtesy of pretending that 'race' is a legitimate taxonomic category. It is not. 'Race' typically refers to subspecies, which is likewise not a defined classification. There are hundreds of studies that use hundreds of different definitions of what qualifies as a subspecies. Historically, the definition has only had glimmers of consistency across specific areas of research, for specific species and genera. For example, wolf researchers tend to use 'subspecies' in the same way, because they cite other wolf researchers who used it that way. It is a totally different story for drosophila researchers. So, again, before we have started, your premise is non-scientific. But I don't even need to win on that point--this is my job, I could give you free points all day and still win.

You should be aware: your link is very misleading, and has hoodwinked you. These 'ethnically dependent' SNPs? My, that sounds impressive! Damning, even! How could I possibly argue with 'ethnically dependent' SNPs? Easy.

These SNPs are specifically derived from unexpressed remnants of viral DNA (retrotransposons) that mutate very rapidly. Because they do not have an effect on our phenotype, these mutations are not 'pruned' by natural selection. They are then able to proliferate and diversify, and allow us to compare samples of aDNA (ancient DNA) to modern samples, and match up who is related to what groups based on the pattern of mutations.

Do you see an obvious problem? Humans are so incredibly closely related, so lacking in genetic diversity compared to most animals, that we have to go far out of our way to be able to detect differences at all. We actually need to look at genes that don't do anything. We need to look at genes that have no effects on us, because if we try to find genetic diversity elsewhere, we come across too many stumbling blocks. Your 'ethnically dependent' SNPs, the keystone upon which your link depends, are quite precisely the LEAST MEANINGFUL genes in the human genome. That isn't a coincidence. That's the only way we can reliably distinguish our personally preferred number of races--by looking at genes that don't do anything. You are using genes that don't do anything and saying that they enable us to distinguish race. If race is so self-evident, why don't you look at genes that DO things? Because you can't. The analyses will be inconsistent. You would have to pick and choose genes that make your point, and ignore that vastly higher number of genes that don't. Or, you could perform a genome-wide analysis, which will put you in exactly the same position--the differences will be so small relative to the whole of the genome that, by definition, they will fail to meet the standard of statistical significance. I've been doing this for a long time.

I'm not naive on this science. There are certainly genes that have an effect on IQ, testosterone levels, impulsivity, etc. These genes are predictably distributed in various popilations. We all know where they are prominent, and where they aren't. But you aren't talking about that. You are trying to shoehorn in Biblical 'kinds' into modern science, under the same guise of 'race' that the racialists of the 19th and 20th century used. Your fundamental hypothesis is Biblical, not scientific. And, the anthropologist in me sees your conflict with the Jews for precisely what it is--family squabbles. Jealousy of the more 'successful' big brother, who isn't letting you in his clubhouse.

To be clear, you led with your BEST argument. I didn't characterize it as such, you did. I demonstrated why that argument is, scientifically, nonsense. It is one I have heard many times, and proliferates on boards like this. It is actually a running joke in the genetics community.

Pleaze recognize what has happened here. Your BEST argument (your characterization) was bunk. Total drivel. Useless. 'Pseudoscience' is too decent a label for it. This is why I was hoping you would invoke machine learning as a means of possibly determining an objective k (cluster) value. But we didn't even get that far.

milkmender11 · 2021-07-17T21:09:04+00:00

Please, educate me on race. I'm published on the subject--I'm an anthropological geneticist.

What race are you, and what is your justification for the claim? Your link there, unfortunately, is not scientific. Do you know what a SNP is? Do you know what an 'ethnically dependent' SNP is (hint--it is not a scientific term)? Do you know how we do these cluster analyses, and did you know that the assumptions involved in performing this kind of analysis actually invalidate your point before you even try to make it?

You didn't think that's how this research worked, did you? Do you know how we perform these studies? Do you know what software we use, and what markers we look at to make our 'race' designations, and do you know why we do it? These are very important questions, but most people who are not professionally involved with the science don't know the answers.

Please, let's have a discussion about this. This is what the sub is for, after all! I have seen people on the alt-right say, "academics please respond!" Well, here I am :)

I am especially hoping that we get as far as the mythical ML 'objective k.' I would be impressed!

milkmender11 · 2021-05-28T00:21:51+00:00

So your genetic ancestry is European?

Yes, but 'European' is not a race. Europeans themselves correctly divided the Caucasian peoples into the many different races that they are: Anglo Saxon, Teuton, Sarmatian, Laplander, Iberian, etc. Melanochroi and Xanthrochroi, 'dark' whites and 'fair' whites. The number of white races is enormous. It was not a cihesive category 300 years ago, it certainly isn't today either.

No, they're not. The overwhelming majority of white Americans are not mixed with other races. Their genetic ancestry is almost entirely European.

Yes, white Americans are raceless--or, I should say, they (we) are heavily mixed, among the most racially mixed people im the world. 'White' and 'European' are not races. There are at least a dozen races contained within those categories, and white Americans are mongrel hybrids of those various pure races. '100% European' is like saying '100% medium-size dog.' That isn't a breed, need to be more specific than that.

That's a categorization based on skull shapes, I'm talking about genetics. Whites are Europeans.

You are incorrect. That is a categorization based on haplotypes. It has been substantiated with genetic data traced through mitochondrial DNA. I understand that it can be upsetting to realize that your genetic lineage is inexorably tied to Middle Eastern and Indian populations, but it is an inevitability if you go back far enougb anyway. Whites are not Europeans. Whites include Laplanders, Fins, Scythians, even Semites. In fact, Semites are perhaps the most racially pure White race which remains, which explains why the mixed white races are so disdainful of them.

I doubt that, but you're not more European than me.

I certainly am. 'European' is a historical and geographic category, not a racial one. In fact, O'Dushlaine et al even published a paper showing how easy it is to racially differentiate the many white races in the 'European' historico-geographic category. 'Europeans' are some of the most genetically mongrel types in the world.

Again, this is nonsense. White Americans are overwhelmingly European.

Correction, 'European' is not a racial category.

First of all, Jews are less European than white Americans, and secondly, we have problems with them because they're trying to replace us in all our nations. And white Americans are only mongrels in terms of mixed European heritage.

Less European, of course. Less white, no. Whiteness is not equivalent to 'people of European descent.' 'White' refers to Caucasian ancestry, inclusive of the haplotypes that evolved for fair complexion. See the records for In re ah yup in the California Supreme Court, late 1900s. Whiteness has always been hotly contested, but understood to be distinct from 'European.' Semitic Jews are racially pure whites, while Europeans are mixed from many different races.

milkmender11 · 2021-05-28T00:06:30+00:00

They indeed do have historical records in the form of oral tradition, as well as behaviors which are encoded into millenia worth of hunter-gatherer traditions. There is no reason to believe that forager lifestyle has changed very much, unless you wish for it to be true that hunger and disease were prominent so you can advocate for a political agenda.

Human behavioral ecologists have conducted dozens of experimental-ethnographic studies of African foragers. There is no evidence to suggest that they ever exceeded the resource capacity of their environments before colonial influence. This is readily demonstrated by studying those tribes and bands in remote regions which have been minimally impacted by colonialism, and performing simple comparative analysis between them and populations which have long and storied histories of colonization. Colonization is not an 'on/off' switch, a monolith which we cannot see past without a missionary's biased account or a scribe paid to tell a chieftan what he wants to see. There are degrees of colonization, which enables certain modes of nuanced analysis.

milkmender11 · 2021-04-12T16:41:15+00:00

Thanks for being a voice of reason. Nevermind the conservatards, they were never much for rational analysis. I hate leftists and everything they are doing lately, but coming here and seeing how pigheaded these conservatives are helps put things in perspective. At least saiddit is not just reddit flipped with conservative appartchiks instead of liberals.

milkmender11 · 2021-01-15T05:15:03+00:00

You are echoing pedo apologetics yourself. By insisting on a strictly legal definition, you enable pedo arguments that their crimes are acceptable in countries that do not legally define children in the same way. You enable pedos and you sicken me. You should be ashamed of yourself, truly.

milkmender11 · 2020-12-29T00:49:14+00:00

Actually, both of those would be 'with' white people. Before colonial imperialism, hunger and disease were quite rare in Africa. Indigenous tribes tend gravitate towards efficient equilibriums with their environment. The entire field of human behavioral ecology is about that. Happy to engage in informed discussion about this

milkmender11 · 2020-12-26T17:39:50+00:00

Oh, that's not even the half of it. I was in a graduate course about, among other things, the oppression of trans people. There are academic studies that will perform incredible intellectual gymnastics to inflate the number of trans people when it is convenient by lumping in anyone who is 'intersex,' including people with nontypical genital development, like cliteromegaly or micro penis. So if you have a small penis, congradulations, you are a trans woman whether you want to be one or not, and without anyone ever asking you if you want to be categorized that way.

milkmender11 · 2020-10-26T01:54:13+00:00

Stupid reasoning. I cannot add anything that you already exhibit in abundance; it is already there. I can only point out its existence.

There is no race called "Asiatic." This term was invented specifically to ostracize Caucasian peoples who were perceived as inimical to or inferior to the largely Anglo-Saxon people who sought to distinguish themselves from other Caucasian groups. Actually, your argument is drawn directly from British physician William Lawrence, who likewise confabulated the Fins and Laplanders right out of the Caucasian category, handwaving them away without evidence as 'Asiatics' and subsequently corrected by Thomas Huxley. The exact same material you are citing was subsequently invoked by German eugenicists. You are cherrypicking a specific moment in racialist history that was rapidly debunked by other racialists. Modern genetic analyses, for what they are worth, establish the majority of what we call 'Jewish people' today as firmly Caucasian. This is a scientific reality. If you are a Caucasian, you are in the same racial group as the vast and overwhelming majority of Jewish people, albeit probably much more mixed than they are. I do have a brother so I know how vitriolic these sibling rivalries can be; as they say, "familiarity breeds contempt." It is your close familial link that has you so at odds with one another.

Semites, like the other peoples of the Mesopotamian region, are Caucasioid. In fact, 'Semite' refers to a linguistic group, not a genetic lineage. Semites are functionally indistinguishable from the other Caucasians of the region. 'Semite' is an academic term with a specific usage, and you have deviated from that usage here.

There is neither a Satan nor a Christ so I'll let you say whatever you like about that. I prefer to focus on the genetics. The fact remains that you cannot point to any genetic lineage or race and conflate them with Zionism or Semitism, without pointing to a Caucasian people. Your best fallback here is to run with the argument that Zionism is more of a philosophy with no genetic lineage behind it, you will get further with that. Honestly, your main mistake was invoking the 'Caucasian' category at all. There was never any chance you were going to win with that, not without throwing away the whole of modern ancestral analyses in favor of 1800s armchair racialism. Not even the neo-Nazis would have your back on this one.

I'm sure it was a fiery and passionate sermon that you got your information from, certainly something to behold. I am quite sympathetic to this, part of my job involves travelling around the world studying different religions. But parroting a sermon is not the same as hitting the books and having your facts straight.

milkmender11 · 2020-10-25T16:12:27+00:00

Not to toss a wrench in your reasoning, but genetically speaking, Semites are Caucasian. If you choose to look at race that way, Zionists are just members of your tribe that have decided that you are too mixed/distantly related to be one of them. You're not so much a noble band of Caucasians resisting the evil Zionists, you are a jealous kid brother pecking at the coattails of your distant, dismissive sibling.

milkmender11 · 2020-09-09T14:22:16+00:00

It's body modding. Punks, goths, alternative people generally have been doing body mods for years. Trans is basically just the new alternative style. It's not like teens can rebel or express themselves by being goth or punk, their parents were probably goth or punk. Their parents probably have some tats or piercings left over from the 80s. No, to really act out, have to step it up.

milkmender11 · 2020-09-09T14:12:02+00:00

Just wow. I am stunned. This poor girl with an obvious eating disorder suffered as a result of her mental health condition and was failed by a medical system that eventually pushed her down a road to using illegal anabolic steroids. That is where we are now. TRA's are celebrating kids doping and shooting up in the locker room. OF COURSE T makes you feel great the first few times, you're a terribly stressed out teen and T is a potent stress modulator. It's potent at a LOT of things. It will make that heart of yours big and strong! Well, mostly big. Hypertrophy, they call it. Good way to die young.

milkmender11 · 2023-02-27T19:13:40+00:00

Geez, it's worse than I thought. I don't use social media or youtube. I read BOOKS. BOOKS, dude. Not youtube. That you have actually forgotten that BOOKS are a viable source of education shows just how lost to social media you yourself are. You can't even imagine another person reading BOOKS at this point!!

I read books and take notes using a system, then I go back and read the book again, this time integrating my notes into a flashcard app. I then use spaced repetition to memorize the information as crystallized intelligence. I'm sure you watch reallt cool youtube videos though.

milkmender11 · 2023-02-27T18:29:47+00:00

Why capitalize white? It isn't a race

milkmender11 · 2022-02-24T06:22:20+00:00

Yeah, it's pretty bad. Sometimes I get comments to the tune of "Hey now, that's too far! (but bravo for being on the right side of history)"

milkmender11 · 2021-07-18T05:19:04+00:00

Yes, two Black parents can create an Asian kid. Yes, two Asian parents can create a white kid. Yes, two white parents can create a Black kid.

You are wrong.

https://www.konbini.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/2018/03/national-geographic-cover-april-2018-race.adapt_.1190.1.jpg

These are twin sisters, from the same parents. One is Black, one is white.

Now, it is a bit complicated. You don't realize it, but you are invoking the "rule of hypodescent." This is a known anthropological concept. Your categories are social, and they break down when we apply more rigorous scrutiny to them.

Chen is Asian, but he has half white ancestry. Because he lives in the USA, where Asians are a minority group, he is seen as Asian, not at all white. Everyone knows Chen is Asian. Nobody goes out of their way to say he is 'half white.' They don't even see it, since Asian alleles tend to be dominant.

Chen marries Sue. Sue is also Asian, but half white. Everyone likewise knows that Sue is Asian. Her census record says 'Asian,' not 'Asian and Caucasian.' Just 'Asian.'

Chen and Sue have a daughter, Sally. Sally is white!! She looks white, everyone sees her clearly as such. Of course, this can happen. It's luck of the genetic draw. The genes were there, and society has spoken. The phenotypes interact with the zeitgeist, and everyone knows exactly what box to put these people in. Chen is Asian. Sue is Asian. Sally is white. Nobody hesitates to give their 'resounding answers.'

Now, here is where you want to try and be specific, when it becomes inconvenient for you. Before, you said that these questions have resounding answers. Indeed they do! all of Chen's coworkers know that he is Asian. But now, you don't think the answers are so resounding. Now you want nuance and subtlety, now it is complicated. Now it matters to you that Chen is half white.

See, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You want it to be the case that everyone 'just knows' the answers to these questions, but they don't. They have many default assumptions that they make as a matter of their socialization, assumptions that vary enormously from culture to culture, and they won't become more nuanced to accomodate your worldview. Chen IS Asian. Everyone knows it. Sue IS Asian everyone knows it. It is your 'resounding answer.' Sally IS white, and everyone knows it. You can kick and scream and try to persuade society otherwise, but they aren't trying to make your case. You have to do it yourself, and I doubt your reply is going to have a 'resounding answer.' You're going to try to be nuanced, to bring in the little things that matter. What happened to 'resounding answers'??

I didn't mention the continuum fallacy and I didn't mention dog breeds. I appreciate that you refer to this as my 'style' of argument, because you know I didn't say any of that. It's like 'homestyle' food, aka, not homemade. So I won't bother addressing your point about dogs, because it is YOUR point, not one I made. I'm making arguments different than the ones you seem prepared to reply to, which is very much an altright theme. I didn't talk about sex or gender either. Let's stay focused.

And who's denying race?? Again, whose argument are you replying to?? Race is extremelt real. It isn't science, but not everything has to be.

milkmender11 · 2020-10-26T02:19:22+00:00

Are you white? If so, then by your own reasoning, yes, we very much are indeed siblings. I am 35% white, by mixture, on my mother's side. She is so fair-skinned, you might think she's some kind of elf. You said it yourself--mixed white is STILL white. We are indeed siblings. Hello, my white brother (or sister)!

White Americans are largely raceless. Like me! I can still point to the larger portions of my admixture, like my white component, and claim membership in that group. It may be a largely fictional membership, but we have that much in common. White Americans can be fit very loosely into the Caucasian category, along with Middle-Eastern/Mediterranian folk and North Indians. This used to be a pretty hot topic back in the day, with cases like In re Ah Yup (1878) in which Judge Lorenzo Saywer said, "white person... a very indefinite description of a class of persons, where none can be said to be literally white... one would scarcely fail to understand that the party employing the words 'white person' would intend a person of the Caucasian race."

Actually, almost all of my admixture is Caucasian, from nearly every example of the term, even though my skin is not at all white. I'm probably more Caucasian than you are. White Americans are a hodgepodge of highly diverse Caucasian groups who can scarcely identify which of the many white races they are actually comprised of. Ironically, Jews tend to be the less mixed Caucasian elements, which suggests why mongrel ethnonationalist Americans tend to have such a problem with them.

milkmender11 · 2020-10-25T19:17:58+00:00

That's a pretty disparate 'us.' White people are not even close to a cohesive racial category. You've got Teutons, Nords, Anglo-Saxons, Sarmatians, Phrygians, Fins, Laplanders... Maybe there was a time when 'white people' was anything other than the call of a mutt longing for a real racial identity, but that isn't true of white Americans. You're like me. I'm mixed from all over the world. I know what a raceless people looks like, and it looks like you and I. The difference is that I'm not even in a position to pretend otherwise, but you are.

Shall we discuss genetics? I love talking about genetics!

milkmender11 · 2020-10-25T16:18:09+00:00

Being 'white' is a sad circumstance. I should know, I'm part Latino, part South Asian, part African, part Native, and part European. I'm a mutt with no home, just like you. Scandanavians and Semites, I suppose they are the closest things to 'white races' that still exists. The rest of you are just genetic hodgepodges like me, just as mixed but amongst a gallimaufry of disparate Caucasioid peoples. Your anger and dissillusionment is all to familiar to me, but unlike you, I know there is no racial camaraderie to be had with people as scattered and diverse as you. Teutons and Fins, Laplanders and Sarmatians, Persians and Anglo-Saxons?? You're more mixed than I am! Tough luck being a mongrel, man. But we aren't alone. I'm more your brother than most white people you see, probably 🤣

milkmender11 · 2023-04-20T18:26:18+00:00

Aside from grammatical gender, gender as a concept is not even 100 years old. Let's not pretend it is this obvious fact of reality that humanity acknowledges as a given. Most societies throughout history had ideas about men and women (usually if there is an 'other,' it is always only 1 other, and it is always males taking a female role) often with slightly different criteria for what constitutes a 'sex' (biological or otherwise, often moral/religious) and we tend to whitewash that by imagining our modern Western ideas of 'gender' are a reference to those ideas. Actually, 'gender' is inherently suffused with modern Western principles about how to conceptualize sex categories. It is for this reason that 'third-gender' fell out of use in cultural anthropology. By saying that the Hijra in India/Pakistan or the Two-Spirits of various Native tribes had notions of 'gender,' we place modern Western constructs on their practices as if those practices are safely subsumed by 'gender.' In practice, it doesn't work. If you are a Westerner talking to other Westerners, though, and you don't need to actually speak to people from other cultures or have your ideas make any sense to them, then you probably won't run into many problems using 'gender,' but that jars with the notion that any particular amount of genders, or the existence of gender at all, is self-evident.

milkmender11 · 2023-04-20T18:10:39+00:00

Out of Africa is by far (not even by a small amount) the dominant theory. You can express your contrary opinion and express your reasoning, but to suggest that it is anything other than the most well-evidenced theory is like saying that there is an ancient Neanderthal civilization under the Antarctic ice. The evidence for both fringe positions is exceedingly small compared to the established positions. It is exciting to imagine that there are cabals censoring The Truth from getting out, but scientists are not particularly good at that, honestly. The theory has been challenged many times and successfully defended many times too. If you want to argue for race categories in humans, you should know, you don't need to tie your argument to the hope that Out of Africa is wrong... it's a bad position to start from.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'race' so I'm not sure what your claim is when you say that only Africans don't have Neanderthal DNA. South Asians and Australian Aboriniginals also don't have Neanderthal DNA, but I doubt they fit your definition of African. Perhaps you meant to use the word 'ancestry' instead of race?

You are right about unknown hominid ancestry in African DNA--you are wrong that it is at all extraordinary. There are many such 'ghosts' in the DNA of diverse human populations. Indonesia, North India, Phillipines...

The definition of 'subspecies' is not standard in taxonomy and is tailored for usage in specific fields. Usually 'subspecies' appears in population genetics or field biology when a researcher is studying two distinct populations that have not yet diverged according to the biological species definition, but are expected to due to their current evolutionary trajectory. For example, two distant and distinct wolf populations occupying different national parks might be considered 'subspecies' by a wolf researcher, not only because a certain amount of genetic difference is detected, but because that difference is expected to increase. Researchers studying fruit flies, trees, and mice all have their own subspecies criteria. It isn't a real taxonomic category, it is a placeholder for a hypothetical category that is more of a localized tool for niche resesearchers to communicate. Basically, the way 'subspecies' is used in biology, it means "two distinct breeding populations that, given the current lack of gene flow and differing trajectories of genetic drift, are strong candidates for an imminent or ongoing speciation event."

Given how human mixture is only increasing, it is not scientifically appropriate to apply subspecies concepts to them. Using the logic of subspecies concepts, which include expectations about gene flow and drift ('subspecies' invoking more of a forward-facing expectation and the methods that are used to assess that), it would be more appropriate to suggest that human intermixture has resulted in a relatively homogenous mono-race.

milkmender11 · 2023-04-20T17:43:26+00:00

To be fair, Hillary was caught using a team of people who would post on reddit in support of her. They were paid employees, not volunteers. I doubt anyone would bother paying someone to post on saidit, except maybe investigators looking for leads on potential shooter or supremacist activities. But it is not crazy to understand that politicians do pay people to skew opinions on social media, it is confirmed. Of course the vast an overwhelming majority of the time it is just a hyperbolic way to shut one's ears, to say that everyone else is a paid shill, which elicits your likewise hyperbolic statement that it is a conspiracy theory that doesn't actually happen.

milkmender11 · 2023-03-01T22:00:04+00:00

According to which authority? You? Who made you the supreme authority of science? Science knows no consensus nor authority. Sorry to take away your religion and your church.

Ok. Then define race scientifically within genetics. Not a fringe paper, a pet theory. Provide the established scientific definition of race as it is understood in genetics.

There is no such thing as "objective measurement" for anything.
What are you now, Heidegger? If we are doing science, we MUST presume objective measurements. At the very least we can take an anti-realist philosophy and accept that our presumptions may ultimately be wrong, but we still have to do it for science to work. Did you want to talk science or philosophy?? Well, it wouldn't be the first time that an alt righter tried to get me off the science and onto some other topic. Honestly, that's EVERY time. And it is indeed a smart move, because you weren't going to win on the science.

Genetic clusters of races perfectly match the historical concepts in science known as human races.

DING DING DING!! Lol. Honestly, I didn't write the prior paragraph before seeing this part of your post. No lie. I just know from many of these debates that yall always try to move the conversation away from science and to philosophy or HISTORY, as you do here. Since when does history change scientific facts? History is a humanity, not a science. Of COURSE clusters match historical partitions because HUMANS SET THE K VALUE. They intentionally male the clusters resemble historical categories. This happens in 100% of all machine learning cluster operations for race. You can pass the buck by asking the algorithim to calculate its own k... based on the parameters you provide. Which is just providing k with extra steps.

I'm not saying that there are 0 races. I'm saying that there are anywhere from 0 races to as many races as there are genetic profiles, and there are precisely 0 scientific techniques to make any of those numbers more empirically justified than any other. You are astute in that you seem to realize that you MUST leave science and look to history in order to find the k that you want. Geez this is a mirror image of the same conversation I have with every alt righter on this subject. You guys are always so smart but it works against you sometimes. There really is no substitute for cracking open a modern genetics textbook.

milkmender11 · 2023-03-01T21:50:18+00:00

I know exactly what supervised learning is. YOU are the one taking a specific computer science term ('supervised') and pretending that it connects back to the dictionary definition. It doesn't. Those algorithims ARE supervised in that humans provide the k value. They correspond to the dictionary definition of supervision, which is the one you were trying to shoehorn in under the guise of the specialized term. That's what I was calling you out on. The k value is determined by humans in 100% of cases. Find me one where it wasn't. I have citations ready to take down that argument from the last time an alt righter lost this exact same debate to me--and he was a grad student in computational statistics. Smart guy! Still wrong.

Welcome to the alt-right. You perfectly described our beliefs about race.

You actually want to talk about subspecies?? Eh... let's not. You can take that move back. I would take your queen with that so I'll pretend you didn't even say this. I mean, unless you DO want to talk about subspecies. Your call.

I have this number from the experts in the field, David Reich and Svante Päabo, from one of their lectures.

Yes, scientists make bullshit claims that they are rightly called out for. Some people, such as yourself, are hoodwinked. I gave examples of specific scientific processes that would need to be settled to even begin to assess this metric of difference in years, do you have an appropriately technical rebuttal? How would you account for genetic drift in this calculation of years of difference? Are you factoring in inversions, transpositions, and repeats of genes? You know, the genetic similarity between humans and chimps can vary wildly, 10% or more, based on how you choose to quantify what a single gene is. There are position effects, VNTRs, etc etc. Genetics is a lot more complicated than you realize.

Look, you are clearly smart. You remind me of some of my brighter students. I wish lefties put in even a fraction of the thought that you have put into genetics. But the truth is that this field is WAY more complex than you realize. Of course genes modulate behavior and that behavior can be predicted based on ancestry. But that doesn't mean that race is a scientific concept in genetics, it isn't. It's a social science concept. I'm not here to tell you that you can't predict a person's temperament by looking at them. You probably can. But your annoyance with the fact that society refuses to say that out loud does NOT mean that you get to play fast and loose with genetics as a science.

milkmender11 · 2023-03-01T21:37:44+00:00

Strawman. You are talking about basic Mendellian genetics. Nobody here ever said that doesn't exist. Your conflation of that with a nonexistant genetic concept of human race is your own error, not mine. If you assume that other people have made the same error, then of course you will be unable to see your mkstake.

I never said race has no relation to genes. Of course it does. Guitars have a relation to genes. The shape of a guitar is crafted to match a human anatomy that is genetically determined. But guitars are not a scientific concept in genetics. EVERYTHING about humans implicates genetics. That doesn't mean everything is a scientific concept in genetics pertaining to human beings.

You're not going to win this, bro. You'll learn a few things, but you won't win.

milkmender11 · 2023-03-01T21:34:19+00:00

Geez you are really angry about this. Clearly you are on the spectrum so I should probably spell it out for you, but I want to see if you can figure it out on your own. First, throw your entire post away. You completely missed the point because you are oblivious to social cues online as well as IRL (I know it creates problems for you, my sympathies).

I'm not saying you are lying about Barnes. Spectrum folk do tend to make this type of error, underfitting to the data, seeing the trees but not the forest. What might I have been saying? Take another shot at it. If you still can't grasp it, I'll explain what you missed. Good luck!

milkmender11 · 2023-02-27T19:28:46+00:00

and don't you forget it, stud

Honestly I like alt righters. I can always tell who the MAGA folk in my lectures are. They are usually white, male, smart, kind of socially isolated, and eager to speak their minds while having enough sense to generally not do that. A lot of them get crushes on me, the based milf professor who doesn't buy the woke bs but doesn't buy their bs either. Too bad I'm a haaaardcore dyke

milkmender11 · 2023-02-27T19:23:19+00:00

You are looking at only one part of their strategy and choosing to see it as the whole. The establishment has most certainly NOT done 'everything humanly possible to censor and deplatform the alt right.' No, no, no, 100% wrong and you know it. The alt right is a household term specifically because the media intentionally inflated and promoted stories about this ragtag band of paleoconservatives (v2.0). They only censored in proportion with their platforming and promotion. It's funny, even as you say that the alt right was censored, lefties were upset that the media was promoting and popilarizing it! The undeniable fact is that there were many dozens, hundreds, and thousands of stories about the alt right and even hardcore lefties had to find a way to explain, with their own orientation, why the media they claim to oppose would 'take their side' on this issue. So they said it was part of a white supremacist plot to popularize the alt right, when actually the establishment did both the popularizing and the censoring.

Is it really a new concept that the house plays both sides and rigs the game? I miss old school 4chan. The alt right on saiddit is just a mirror image flip of reddit lefties. No more sophistication or critical thought

milkmender11 · 2023-02-27T19:09:27+00:00

Incorrect. Those algorithims are very much supervised. Let's take STRUCTURE as an example (but they all work this way). A human MUST tell the algorithim what k to produce. You can try to pass the buck to instead give the algorithim a way to calculate k, but it will still being doing so with the criteria a human gave it. The problem isn't that there is some undiscovered objective k value. The problem is that the way ML packages are set up to begin with makes the assumption of k mandatory.

We can genetically distinguish Scots within their own village and classify them into different races. Swedish folk in one town are more genetically similar to another than they are to Swedish folk generally. It's all a matter of how closely you choose to zoom the telescope in. You NEVER find a hard boundary on this topic until you zoom out enough to find an actual subspecies, which unfortunately for you is not a well defined concept in genetics.

A European is not on average 100,000 years of evolution seperated from anyone. You couldn't even calculate a variable like that. It is a meaningless number. You would have to estimate when a population diverged, then try to extrapolate how much influence genetic drift, convergent evolution, and local extirpations produced genetic alignment even amidst two distinct breeding populations. Then you would have to translate that speculative metric of diversity (itself a difficult calculation--do we count repeats in the code? Inversions? Transpositions?) from 'genetic difference' into 'years,' as if the rate of human evolution were a static variable that tracked well onto time. Which it certainly does not, given that the past 100,000 years of evolution were immensely consequential only at highly staggered intervals. Sometimes evolution moves in leaps, sometimes in baby steps, sometimes not at all. But all of this is going way over your head I'm sure. Standard alt right

milkmender11 · 2023-02-27T18:59:45+00:00

I am a geneticist. Race is not a scientific concept in genetics. There are some papers that tried to argue for a definition of race by using machine learning software packages, but these arguments relied on statistical analysis and hinge entirely upon feeding a computer the number of races you want to see. Race is politically and historically important, but it is not a scientific term in genetics. It has no definition in genetic science. There have been many proposed definitions that all suffer from the same problems, the biggest one being that there is no objective measurement of racial division in humans. The subspecies concept is the closest thing approaching a definition of race that one might use in genetics, but it doesn't apply to humans. Some of the more sophisticated 'Race Realist' thought involves trying to compare the fixation index for humans against the fixation index for known subspecies of some animal populations. The fixation index is a calculated variable in genetics that measures the extent to which genes are ubiquitous within a species ('at fixation,' as opposed to various alleles). That is a misguided effort for a variety of reasons which I won't bother to spell out because I have probably lost you already. It was a good attempt on their part though, or at least shows a slightly better understanding of genetics science than I usually see from the alt right. I'm usually dealing with people at a different level. Around about say... well, your level.

Funnily enough, here on saidit most of the race realists I debate quickly realize that they need to try and get away from the genetics discussion because they immediately are out of their league. So they maneuever the conversation to history, politics, society. Which is hilarious, they go the route of the postmodernists. It's a more fruitful realm of debate for them though, I don't have as much to say about all that.

milkmender11 · 2023-02-27T18:49:33+00:00

Right here bro. I have papers to publish (new book coming out too).

Please respond. Don't run away!

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