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[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 8 fun21 insightful - 7 fun22 insightful - 8 fun -  (19 children)

Shalom operates on a way higher level of the pyramid than a certain user here who rhymes with knocks. I wish I could ban every bad faith piece of shit here. But these are subjective waters.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

He's sealioning, lying, and downward dragging to undermine SaidIt.

Bold = rule breaking.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

It probably is knocks, full blown role playing larping. But this proposed ban is a slippery slope to ideological persecution. It's too late in the game to pivot this way.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

It's too late in the game to pivot this way.

Not when FreedIt will be there to catch the free speechers.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

That's a completely unaffiliated site. Saidit is saidit.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

100% agreed.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

TFW you have more respect for Zionists than bad faith DNC operatives. The education no one went looking for.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I assumed it was a bad actor pretending to be a Zionist so they could pull the antisemitism card if we banned them lol

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

My mom can suck better than your mom

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Sup Ed. I'm glad you're still above ground.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I have decided to finish my forex project.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Oh whew, thought they meant Tarrock. I was like what did that dude ever do to anyone.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

ha ha ha

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    [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (47 children)

    That's not the issue. The issue is that when it trolls, it harms the whole site. It's not argument in good faith, and that's what Saidit is founded on.

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      [–]Chipit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      everything slightly off

      Stop right there. There's your problem. It's not "slightly off". It's tremendously off.

      It drives normies and Reddit refugees away from the site. Which is its entire point. That's what the account was designed to do.

      [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (17 children)

      Didn't Jason post about banning you for being a shill too? I think I saw that going through old posts. And I saw you can read Chinese, that's neat.

      [–]Chipit 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (15 children)

      He had me confused with this Chinese dude called snow. Snow left the site at about the same time I joined. He wouldn't let it go and followed me around the site harassing me with every comment. This was before the crowd of people who follow me around the site harassing me. Jason was good practice in growing an invincible armored shell.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

      He had me confused with this Chinese dude called snow. Snow left the site at about the same time I joined. He wouldn't let it go and followed me around the site harassing me with every comment.

      Chipit. You're 100% snow.

      You found your own snow job hoax posts on two different sites.

      Miraculously found them both. And with the goal of sabotaging the reputation of Saidit.

      Posted it here twice, cause it wasn't even noticed the first time.

      This was before the crowd of people who follow me around the site harassing me.

      I'm a one man party.

      Jason was good practice in growing an invincible armored shell.

      Your "invincible" shell is made of dung.

      You're not invincible.

      You're untouchable.

      I brought gloves, and some dung to add to your "shell".

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I wasn't pushing that snow idea.

      I've never followed anyone around. I was calling out your bullshit when I saw it. There was a lot of it.

      I am thrilled that you've grown so much since then.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Chipit has grown a lot since arriving on SaidIt. He's realized that ALL of "The Left" are certainly NOT unified (with infighting akin to the Right), not all are the enemy, nor all bad, and that centrists and voluntaryists may be left of him but that doesn't make them The Left. And he's improved his debate level from fallacious bullshitter to a decent user, and he's usually got good posts, even if I'm not always a fan of the titles.

      [–]jet199 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Trolls don't harm the site.

      They at least get people talking rather than circle jerking.

      And they help to prick the egos of a few supercilious posters I could mention.

      [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      Trolls don't harm the site.

      They harm every site. The world would be better off without them. Especially the ones who are paid to post, whip up division, and make posters fight with one another.

      [–]jet199 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      As if anyone here is competent enough to get paid.

      [–]Ehhhhhh 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

      Ohhh. You want him banned for our own good? We can't decide to block and you know better?

      [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

      It's harming the entire site. There is no good that comes from its comments. It's not arguing in good faith. Banning is a disfavored option but it's justified here.

      [–]jet199 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

      You can't read minds.

      You don't know what faith people are arguing in.

      [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

      It's obvious that the ShalomEveryone account is arguing in bad faith. It's a troll account.

      Why would anyone defend it?

      [–]AXXA 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

      How is it obvious? Do you have an example?

      [–]Ehhhhhh 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I find good in their comments. They have made good points in some of their replies.

      [–]magnora7 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (17 children)

      Why does the very first statement in your title contain an ad hominem, if you are trying to enforce the rules on to others? You know ad hominem is low on the pyramid of debate...

      Walk the walk first, brother.

      [–]steveknobs 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (24 children)

      /u/ShalomEveryone is a full of shit enemy of humanity,

      the OP is the one that is being offensive. I find nothing wrong with the posts of /u/shalomeveryone

      thank you.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

      Offensive how?

      IMO, I'm being defensive in this global war. When I go offensive you'll know it.

      [–]steveknobs 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

      When I go offensive you'll know it.

      that is a threat that you could derail the conversation and i feel threatened by your statement.

      /u/shalomeveryone is rather pleasant in his posts, unlike you.

      i do not wish to engage you in relationship drama, so lets end this.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      that is a threat that you could derail the conversation and i feel threatened by your statement.

      It's not a threat, and regardless of all the snowflake feels in the world, there is a global war on that will last to 2030 if not 2050 or perpetually.

      You'll know it when I go on the offense because I'll be producing /s/LeverMind Variety Show videos when Projex.Wiki no longer demands my full attention.

      /u/shalomeveryone is rather pleasant in his posts, unlike you.

      Well, that's, like, just your opinion man.

      i do not wish to engage you in relationship drama, so lets end this.

      You engaged me.

      [–]AXXA 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

      Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

      And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

      https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-18/#7

      [–]FlippyKing 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

      I don't even think "shalomeveryone" is a real person. I think he and some overly-anti-Jewish poster are, or a few, are accounts run by the same person or entity. Shalomeveryone is a troll. If you gain anything from reading what that account posts, "more power to ya" as they say. But I found him worthless and annoying and blocked him long ago. I am missing out on nothing as a result.

      [–]Zapped 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

      I think it is one person, because he's pretty consistent with his delivery. I have seen him go off message with sarcasm a few times. Maybe he had too much to drink while posting.

      [–]FlippyKing 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

      I saw consistency too, and that made me think the posts were working off a script

      [–]Zapped 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

      I've only seen one user here that seems to work off a script. More of a flow chart, really. They are like a salesperson, not giving an inch.

      [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      That's often a bot, lots of bots simply follow pre-scripted discussion trees. They're so convincing these days...

      [–]steveknobs 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

      I don't even think "shalomeveryone" is a real person.

      and that could be said about almost everyone on these forums, couldnt it?

      who the fuck are you? did you want to have a phone call with me?

      that is what i thought.

      everything on these forums is false narrative or it is childish people pushing childish agendas.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

      Who are any of us?

      I respect /u/FlippyKing's insights enough to have added him to my SaidIt friends list.

      PM me and I'll give you my number.

      everything on these forums is false narrative or it is childish people pushing childish agendas.

      Maybe you don't belong here either.

      OP:

      Plus you and /u/ShalomEveryone can migrate to /u/fschmidt's new SaidIt-based sister-site https://FreedIt.com (if/when they are ready) for all the free speech you like. Follow their developments on /s/FreedIt.

      [–]FlippyKing 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      thank you, my internet brother from another mother.

      [–]FlippyKing 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      it can be said about almost everyone on the internet entirely. I do not contest that, but I think it means we need to be cautious about "who" (or what) we invest our time with.

      I do not want to have a phone call with you. I don't really mind if you don't calm down either.

      I don't really see how you take something I said that you basically agree with, that anyone here or on the internet potentially, is not real, and instead of considering it or instead of dismissing it out of hand, you react to it by spreading my suspicion over everyone. Why?

      What of "shalomeveryone" makes you think he's either real or being real? If his account is run by one person and if it is the only account here that person runs, does that make the posts any more genuine or meaningful to you? Do you find his additions here useful? As I said, more power to you if so. Your reaction is childish, so I find it interesting you raise the matter of childishness.

      [–]Drewski 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (45 children)

      Just a troll, block and move on.

      [–]steveknobs 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (18 children)

      i enjoy reading his posts, so if you block him and block me then he and i can have a nice conversation without you butting in.

      [–]jet199 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (16 children)

      Like what's your favourite brand of hummus.

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

      Sabra hummus is terrible. Even the red pepper one tastes blah. So yeah boycott that slop for multiple reasons.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      Sabra hummus is terrible. Even the red pepper one tastes blah.

      Truth-seeking can end now. I found it.

      [–]steveknobs 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

      asking me what my favorite brand of hummus is would qualify as "dragging down the conversation".

      [–]chottohen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      I make my own. (Can or package of garbanzos [one can for two people, etc.], spoonful of peanut butter or that other stuff with the fancy name [Tahini, made from Sesame, not Peanuts], olive oil, bit of salt, lemon juice, and I like a bit of monosodium glutamate too but that is up to you, [blend all in, uh, blender] paprika and a little drizzled olive oil on top. Mozoltof.)

      [–]Chipit 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

      All that does is prevent you from seeing its posts.

      The problem is that it's polluting the entire site. Which is the account's whole idea behind posting. It needs to be banned, for everyone's sake.

      [–]magnora7 14 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 7 fun -  (14 children)

      The problem is that one person's "Please remove this obvious problem" is another person's "How dare you censor me, this site is corrupt and I'm going to tell everyone how bad it is!" and everyone draws that line in a different place.

      So say that I might see a banning as justified, but then maybe 60% of users do not agree (often because they don't know the full story in many cases and just see the surface). So as admin it's much easier to do nothing, than to potentially jeopardize the site by appearing corrupt by seemingly banning users that don't deserve it. This is why we have the pyramid of debate, so there is an objective metric for removal.

      There is no obvious solution to this type of problem. If we make a "you can't troll" rule for saidit for example, then that changes this entire forum completely after 3 years of being consistent with our rules, and many people would leave in response to that. Not to mention what is considered "trolling" is a very subjective thing, and that opinion will differ from mod to mod. This is basically how subreddit moderation on reddit works right now, and why it's such a mess. The line between "satire" and "trolling" is very thin in many cases.

      New rules like "no trolling" could be done with a new website, but to make such a drastic change in policy this late in the game to saidit is basically what ruqqus did and exactly why it had a user revolt and collapsed and failed. They made an abrupt change in policy once they realized how deep this trolling/shilling problem is, and it was like a rug pull for a good portion of the community, and the upset users (many of them shills and trolls) whipped the other users in to a frenzy in response to the policy change, and it led to the admins being overwhelmed and the admin team fracturing and collapsing, causing ruqqus to shut down.

      Saidit has thankfully had the pyramid of debate since day 1, and we've hardly changed our rules at all since the day we started, and this is our strong point. It does leave us vulnerable in certain ways like the OP, but it also makes us strong because it's obvious we're following the rules we've had since day 1, which shows how non-corrupt our admin and mod team is, which is our strong point compared to reddit and other sites like ruqqus. It's why we're still here, and will continue to be here.

      This is why we must follow the pyramid of debate, and be very careful as admins not to just "make up rules" in the case of annoying users. This is also why we added a userban button, to put the choice in the hands of the users rather than the admins. It's not a perfect solution, but we've arrived at this set of solutions for all these very specific reasons.

      [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

      Well, then the trolls are going to continue their work. Saidit is never going to be a Reddit replacement, not with these people deliberately posting in order to drive people away from the site. It's their day job.

      userban button, to put the choice in the hands of the users rather than the admins

      All that does is block you from seeing their posts. It's nearly useless; trolls still have an effect. It's pulling the wool over your own eyes. If blocking instead removed the ability of trolls to interact with your posts and comments in any way, that would be a tremendous improvement. They'd have one of their chief weapons - the ability to stench up any thread - declawed.

      [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

      We do ban spam accounts, so if he's spamming a lot that would warrant banning.

      I understand your frustration, believe me I do. But if we banned everyone who I thought was deliberately sabotaging this forum but not breaking any rules, we'd lose a portion of our users. Those users would very likely stir up a revolt in the saidit userbase by making new user accounts and posting to "expose the censorship and rule changes" that would cause another larger portion of users to leave. Which is exactly what caused the failure of ruqqus, and voat, and many more. So that's obviously not what we want.

      And furthermore, banning these users who are not actually technically breaking any rules functionally accomplishes nothing, as they immediately create another account and start another "personality" and then they'd have to be banned again after they create enough of a mess on the new account. It's never-ending whack-a-mole with them deliberately being annoying as possible without technically breaking any rules. And it is with the intent of driving away other users, I agree.

      And also please realize many of them want to be banned (without technically breaking any rules) so they can make a stink on reddit and saidit about how bad saidit is and how corrupt and broken it is, because they weren't breaking any rules. And some of these people apparently have functionally infinite IP addresses, because they apparently have military-grade VPNs or can completely spoof IPs. So that's fun. It's probably paid operators, since it's been happening for hours a day for 3 years straight, and they have all this intense IP spoofing software. Same thing affected ruqqus, voat, poal, etc

      This is just how the internet is now, unfortunately. But we think our solutions for these problems are pretty good compared to most sites, generally speaking. But I could also see the use for an additional new website that has slightly more strict rules. But it also requires a level of trust in the admins from the users, to judge what is "harmful trolling" and what isn't. It's a tightrope.

      If blocking instead removed the ability of trolls to interact with your posts and comments in any way, that would be a tremendous improvement.

      So in addition to you not seeing their activity, they would also not see your activity? I think this makes sense, I would support this upgrade. I can't really see any downsides.

      [–]AXXA 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

      So in addition to you not seeing their activity, they would also not see your activity? I think this makes sense, I would support this upgrade. I can't really see any downsides.

      This is how Reddit does it now and it will end up killing them. It's a horrible idea that enables intellectual cowards. Saidit is about challenging your thinking with different perspectives. It would be an absolute goldmine for shills and trolls. All they would need to do is block everybody that ever dared disagree with their narrative. Then they could spew whatever lies they wished without ever being challenged or corrected. The strength of Saidit is that we CAN disagree. That freedom to be able to disagree exists hardly anyplace else right now. Saidit is already perfect exactly as it is. Please don't give in to the intellectual cowards. Any idea that can't stand up to scrutiny is a worthless intellectual dead-end.

      [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      Hm interesting points. But, I don't think people getting blocked are going to intellectually engage in an honest way anyway, that's rather the point of point of the block function isn't it? To remove from sight people you think are not acting in good faith.

      If a troll blocked all people who disagreed with them, and then those people couldn't see it, then they're basically quarantining themselves off from the rest of the website, right? So then the trolling isn't as effective because it doesn't have as broad of reach.

      I'm more undecided on it now because of your good points, but I think it's still a good idea despite the potential downsides.

      [–]AXXA 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      For the sake of argument we could assume a ratio of one active participant to ten inactive non-participant readers. The troll only has to block the one active participant in order to reach the ten readers unchallenged and uncorrected.

      [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah, fair point. I'll have to think about it some more I guess.

      But IRL a restraining order blocks both parties from seeing each other, or even being within distance of each other, so it does seem weird to allow the bully to watch the person being bullied even after blocking, which is how ours is currently configured.

      But I see your point about people abusing it to shut down any dissent in their threads. If only there was a way to differentiate between the two situations...

      [–]AXXA 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      The account that made the suggestion has an extensive history of posting numerous topics of relevant discussion and then making completely baseless ad hominem attacks against anybody that tries to discuss it. That account is the only account that I've had to warn at the ad hominem level of the Pyramid simply because of the constant non-stop use of the tactic. I don't trust that account's motivations one bit.

      I agree with you that it would be nice to be able to separate warring parties. A lot of times people just aren't willing to let the other side have the last word and the drama just keeps spiraling out of control. And then when an admin is finally forced to warn one side or the other they often assume that the admin is taking sides and adds them into the drama. They just don't understand that the admin is a referee and not a player. I haven't thought of a perfect solution yet but I'll keep thinking about it and let you know my ideas.

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      I would block but I don't like how then when a blocked person like shalom makes comment, it erases all the replies to it that I might have otherwise seen. Saidit needs to change so just the blocked person isn't seen. I guess that might be confusing as I'd wonder what they're replying to but still. I don't like when I see a post on saidit and it says it has like 17 comments but then I open it up and don't see any.

      [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

      I'd support a change like this, this makes sense to me

      [–]chottohen 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

      It's just that the Israeli flag at the end of his every post is...so tacky, just as an American flag would be. A Swedish flag wouldn't be, if you see what I mean.

      [–]AXXA 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Why wouldn't it be equally tacky if he put a Swedish flag at the end of his every post?

      [–]chottohen 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Sealion

      [–]Ehhhhhh 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      So, it's ok to censor because you don't like him/her/it?

      Block and move on.

      [–]IkeConn 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

      I like reading his stupid ass Shalom shit.

      [–]Chipit 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

      Obviously it's a troll account. It needs to be banned.

      Note who jumps out in defense of the troll account. Those are super sus. I get the idea they've got a chat server somewhere where they talk amongst themselves.

      [–]jet199 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

      As if anyone on Saidit has friends.

      [–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      good, point, but I don't know if a chat server is needed when a small spiral bound "notes to self" notebook will probably serve the troll well. I do think it's just one of many accounts run by a single ner-do-well.

      [–]Entropick 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

      I don't want to comment on the u/ in question but I share similar sentiments. I wish to comment on u/JasonCarswell's effort and motivation. You have an energy and passion that is sincere and unique. I admire that a lot as I am lacking in the focus and drive you have. I want to quit fucking around too. I don't carry any anger or hatred in my heart and soul for anyone, even for those some might be angry with. Seeing actions of the past work out as they have compels me to make a personal effort to avoid any of our prior mistakes. I will strive for compromise, mediation and non-violence. I've never intended anything more passionately in my life than how strongly I want to see peaceful resolutions. Thanks Jason & everyone.

      [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

      well he's a satire account, he makes based comments by mistake sometimes, he is here to try to make jews look bad.

      [–]jet199 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      He's just a bored civil servant doing some old fashioned trolling and laughing at us when he manages to hook someone with his shtick.

      Probably not even Jewish.

      Probably a godless Muslim rebelling against stuff his dad says at home.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I see similar stuff online, like on twitter some people post like that as a stereotypical jewish person saying dumb stuff, they usually get banned quick, saidit has more free speech and stupid unfunny cringe posts are down their pyramid but not exactly bannable.

      [–]zyxzevn 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I agree. He is just a complete shill and troll. Pretending to be jewish to make it seem anti-semetic (for legal reasons) when you oppose him.

      [–]Vulptex 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I'm pretty sure that's a troll.

      [–]milkmender11 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

      Nah we don't do that here. I like SE. Refreshing and undebiably dedicated troll methodology. Old school 4chan would be proud. Besides if you ban him, who the heck would even still be on this site. It's like him and four other people

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

      one of the reasons it's so dead is new people come and see so many trolls and spammers then leave

      [–]fukit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      For these people that think shalomeveryone is a fake account to make Jews look bad, what about Jeff Zucker having CNN run the headline "mostly peaceful protests", in front of images of BLM/antifa mobs burning and rioting? Or the Waposts Jennifer Rubin gloating on twitter that the white population has declined based on census data? Or NYT times columnist Michelle Goldberg writing an article "we can replace them"?

      Hollywood/Media Jews do this kind of shit all the time. They love to rub the goys noses in it. They do it in part to cause a backlash they then use to whine about anti-semitism, and partly as a humiliation ritual. The same thing with continually showing BMWF couples in advertising, despite this not really having anything to do with selling the product.

      Shalomeveryone is just another in a long line of anti white Jews that continually do this shit. Twitter is full of them, many of them prominent media figures, politicians and academics.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      what about ...

      Does the common person see those people and think them representative of Jews as a whole? Shalom is over the top, in your face Jewish with the whole gimmick he does. It's almost cartoonish.

      [–]sproketboy 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      It's a fed. Just block and move on.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

      [–]milkmender11 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

      ShalomEveryone is a master-level troll and this post's engagement stands as a testament to his skill and dedication. The fact that he has not posted here only goes to reinforce his patience and nuance, two of the most overlooked and important aspects of an excellent troll. You may not be commenting here SE, but we know you are with us, watching over us.

      [–]fukit 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (8 children)

      He's not a master level troll, he's a mentally ill caricature. Nothing he says is ever clever or exposes anything other than his own hypocrisy and hate. Only his coethnics ever find him amusing or upvote his shit, as we see here once again.

      It's certainly possible he's attempting to draw out comments and criticism of Jews in an effort to appeal to his coethnics with money and power to shut down the site, as we've seen people like him(and possibly him) do to other sites, but that only further serves to prove the people he hates most right.

      [–]milkmender11 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

      I would expect any dedicated troll to indeed be mentally ill, hypocritical, and hateful. That's why we troll and the veridical reality of those characterizations is not lost on us. This is an art form that you don't 'get'--no, it is more than that. This art form depends and relies on you. You are the most important ingredient in SE's trolling. Thank you for being a part of our community! I, for one, am very glad you are here. Your presence enriches my Saidit experience, and I truly do mean that earnestly.

      [–]fukit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      If he or similar trolls experience some enjoyment in getting a response from me or others, I could care less. My target audience in pointing out his behavior is not him. His own real views are as irrelevent as he is, but he is a symptom of a greater problem. There are similar trolls who basically do what he does on CNN, in the NYT, on reddit and countless other mainstream media outlets. They have the power to do real damage as their bullshit goes completely unchallenged and their own motivations remain hidden. The current state of America is the end result.

      [–]milkmender11 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      And yet here you are, engaging on my comment, a comment with virtually 0 engagement apart from you. You do care. You are here, with me, typing back and forth. You aren't communicating to an audience. You are comminicating with me and you know it. We are here together in this tiny little comment thread that barely another soul will see. This is why 'care more' is such a classic troll refrain. You are here, typing, you care. Regardless of what you say about intending to speak to someone besides me. If you really meant that, you wouldn't reply to me here. Please do, though! There is only one way I 'lose' here, and that door closed the moment you replied.

      I understand your critique. In the long term, I can envision some possible futures in which you are actually entirely correct. I think the problem runs deeper though. The issue isn't that nobody challenges it. The issue is that there are invested entities that actively stifle our societal inclination and ability to challenge it. Their dominance would have to be contested before challenging trolls like SE would have any meaningful effect. I think you are putting the cart before the horse, so I'm not concerned with whether your analyais is correct or not. I would sooner hear an argument about how you think trolls like SE damage the quality of Saidit as a community.

      [–]WhiteZealot 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      He appears to be a paid operative. Trolls generally don't do their trolling consistently over a long period of time.

      [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      This. What troll does the exact same troll for hours a day, every day for months like it's their job? I can't imagine anyone would find it so amusing to do it that long organically. It strongly implies they're being paid. Paid to make forums look foolish or extremist, while not technically breaking any rules, to drive people away so the forum doesn't grow. It does seem likely.

      [–]yabbit 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      yeah dude he sucks

      [–]Canbot 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I for one like it when the shills post thier propaganda here. It gives me the opportunity to destroy it publicly. That same propaganda will get posted in leftist walled gardens like reddit and be unchallenged because of censorship. Many people who lack the intelligence to see through it themselves are then doomed to believe it.

      If it is posted here there is at least a chance that those same people come here, see how wrong it is; maybe even realize that other websites are less trustworthy for not challenging the bullshit.

      [–]Drcolossus 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      woosh!

      [–]thoughtcriminal 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Yes his opinions are shit. Just block him if you don't like him.

      [–]fatman 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Let's go Shalom!!!

      [–]cisheteroscum 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Yeah but

      I ask for them to be banned

      Personally I like my shills where i can see them

      Cool project and post tho. Ill check it out more when I have time

      [–]chottohen 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Thanks for all the work you put into that Mr Carswell.

      How odd of God To choose the Jews — Ogden Nash though sometimes attributed to Dorothy Parker.