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This thread is not an opportunity to discuss the merits (or lack-of) with radical feminism. Or whether men or women have it worse in the shitshow that is life today.

We're an LGB sub and we want to "drop the T".

Since so many of you can't resist dog-piling on each other's personal beliefs and debating each other instead of the topic presented, you've been y'all-ed.

[–][deleted] 98 insightful - 4 fun98 insightful - 3 fun99 insightful - 4 fun -  (91 children)

Why does everyone think you have to be a "radical feminist" to reject a lie? I'm not a feminist (at least I do not subscribe to Judith Butler or anybody else along those lines). I'm not a radical anything. I just do not accept things that are not true. Men are not women. Dismissing everyone saying that as "terf" is just to preserve your belief that the emperor has clothes when he doesn't.

[–]Poppy29252Natal Cat Woman 90 insightful - 4 fun90 insightful - 3 fun91 insightful - 4 fun -  (46 children)

Misogyny. Society hates women, society hates feminism, "TERF" and "transphobe" are just now acceptable ways to hate women.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 10 fun20 insightful - 9 fun21 insightful - 10 fun -  (45 children)

On the contrary, most people love women. There are plenty of psychological studies on this, since women are on average more averagely attractive than men are recognized to be. It's literally called "women are wonderful effect". People treat women better than they treat men in basically any study I've ever read. If you think "transphobe" and "TERF" is only thrown at women you are sorely mistaken. Plenty of gay men are getting chucked under the bus, I fucking assure you.

[–]Shinjin_NanaNopes faster than an Aeldari Jetbike 83 insightful - 3 fun83 insightful - 2 fun84 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

You should tell that to the men that murder their female partners. Women are more likely to be killed by people who claim to love them and are close to them. Funny thing... that love of women.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 7 fun -  (21 children)

Come off it. Did I say NOBODY dislikes women? I responded to "society hates women", you reply with "But SOME PEOPLE". Come off it. Men get murdered WAY more than women do, what the hell are you on about?

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 69 insightful - 2 fun69 insightful - 1 fun70 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I feel so loved every day when men physically grab me on the street and I can’t get them off me because I’m weaker and afraid they’ll pull a weapon! Also love being told to smile then called a bitch when I don’t <3 SO much love it’s super great being a woman such a privilege teehee I just walk into an office and men are staring at my chest calling me cupcake at a work meeting it makes me feel SO special and loved

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

I feel so loved every day when men physically grab me on the street and I can’t get them off me because I’m weaker and afraid they’ll pull a weapon!

Last I checked, physical assault is illegal. You, also, have equal access to weapons and firearms to eliminate your fear of being weaker as a force equalizer. Imagine having the privilege to think weak men don't exist? Jesus christ.

Also love being told to smile then called a bitch when I don’t

You think men aren't told they have "bad attitudes" and insulted? You're really self absorbed if so.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You get told that pretty much every day? On the bus, in the grocery store, on your way to your car?

9 times out of 10 when i leave my house some asshole is insulting me or whistling at me like im a dog. Life in the city as a woman is so fucking fantastic.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 66 insightful - 2 fun66 insightful - 1 fun67 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

No, you said that women are treated well, because they're attractive lol Finding someone attractive doesn't mean treating them as equal. Vast majority misogynistic are male hetero.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

I pointed out women are in appearance more average and generally more attractive, but also treated better in general in psychological and sociological findings. So far, people have started out by claiming women are treated badly, and I refuted that claim. Shifting the goalpost to "treating them as equal" is a whole other vague series of arguments entirely. Feel free to take up the argument. Tell me, what rights do women currently lack that men have?

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 51 insightful - 2 fun51 insightful - 1 fun52 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

What the hell means treated better? Even muslims who treat women as some kind of minor for life think they're treating them in special way. Women have always been treated with some kind of courtesy, which wasn't about being treated better, but just being seeing as some kind of kid who cannot being indipendent as a man or some beautiful object, not being treated better. Women aren't treated better, and having same legal right, doesn't mean being treated as equal socially or in the workplace.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

What the hell means treated better?

Well if you read a brief summary on the women are wonderful effect you'll find, in general, women are viewed more favorably than men. Considered more positive overall, less hostile, more trustworthy, etc. They're not only given special consideration, but by all accounts interpersonally given more consideration than men are. From both men and women.

What legal rights do women lack in the USA? What law allows them not to be treated equally in the workplace? Can you give some actual evidence or basis of your complaint?

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 53 insightful - 2 fun53 insightful - 1 fun54 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

This is so stupid. That's nothing to do about women being treated better. It's because women are not seen as a physical threat and are socially seen as a mothers. Also, yeah, women are nicer, except that if a woman get angry she's hysteric,while a man is resolute. And of course, "she should smile more". This has nothing to do with law. Cultural sexism is not about laws. The world is male dominated and women have always been treated as some kind of marginal minority, despite being 50 percent. And USA is a society which managed to elect a black president and a orange moron president before a woman. 200 years of history, all male presidents.

[–]TheLesbean 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Women face more harassment, men face more violence. Since it’s not the same form of “harm” people don’t see them as equal. People are more passive-aggressive to women and people are more aggressive to men. Which is why some women are such bitches and some men are more violent.

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    [–]TheLesbean 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The “society hates women” would be more true in some middle eastern/African countries. There’s literally a game to rape women in public called Taharrush Gamea/Jimea (which goes on) There’s also the mass rapes of Egypt. There have been American, French and other reporters who were assaulted after/during recording live. It’s a bit better when you get to western countries and European countries. It would help if people could say which country they are from to see where they are coming from

    [–]tacticaldyke 70 insightful - 2 fun70 insightful - 1 fun71 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    People being nice to attractive women doesn’t mean society loves women, ffs. Especially as they’re only nice so far as they think they have a chance with them and the woman does as they expect. It doesn’t mean they actually like or respect women, attractive or not.

    Then you’re reading studies rather than just looking at the entirety of history rife with examples that show the contrary.

    Regardless, no one said other people don’t get called those things but it’s definitely more women than men.

    [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

    Then you’re reading studies rather than just looking at the entirety of history rife with examples that show the contrary.

    And the same with men. Men were not given general franchise, men have been forced to labor and be conscripted and killed, the list goes on. Men have singularly been the target of most violence in society since as far as can be stated. I can play this game too, and it gets nobody anywhere. The blame game, which is largely what feminism these days seems to be about, is just like every other ideology. Like communism or anything else. It lacks nuance, does not map reality, and creates a fiction of victimization.

    Regardless, no one said other people don’t get called those things but it’s definitely more women than men.

    Citation needed. I've no doubt you feel that way, but there are also studies about that too. Women are more reactive to online trolling and harassment than men tend to be. https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2017/07/11/online-harassment-2017/

    "Overall, men are somewhat more likely to experience any form of harassing behavior online: 44% of men and 37% of women have experienced at least one of the six behaviors this study uses to define online harassment." - but women are more likely than men to view this as a problem.

    [–]tacticaldyke 51 insightful - 2 fun51 insightful - 1 fun52 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Just because men of lower stature are treated poorly by men of higher stature doesn’t mean society don’t hate women, which is what you’re arguing. Your argument is of wealth vs. poverty but this is about sex.

    Your study isn’t specific to this issue either. You specifically were talking about being called a TERF/transphobe. Considering the original use of TERF meant only women could be one as it was talking about radical feminist women who didn’t want men, no matter identity, in their feminism, I can assure you that far more women have been called it.

    [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

    Okay, this clearly isn't working. You make two claims: 1. Society hates women, 2. Women are called these things more. Citation needed. Evidence your claims or admit you can't.

    [–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    1. Society hates women,

    1. one word: pornhub

    2. https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiMagVRr_jhagMR-XP59TBsJFLwNlcS13iIUT4ovqKRN9zttevr0PmA?key=NmJuV1AyRnVSU3dOS2VObVhLSm1uNUkxRjRBSk9R

    https://terfisaslur.com/

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    People agreeing to exchange money for sex is not "society hating" either sex. Both men and women have to voluntarily agree to film it. People on twitter are absolute shitheads to everyone. Should I have cataloged all the threats and shit I received? Does that mean I get to declare society hates me? Come on. Surely you recognize how ridiculous that is as "evidence".

    [–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    https://i.redd.it/z99vwbfwhyb51.jpg

    https://i.redd.it/45zt4t9y29951.jpg

    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-51391981

    https://tosavealife.com/relationships/sex/sex-trafficking-isnt-what-you-think-it-is-meghan-sobel/

    Your comment shows you obviously don't know and give a fuck what happens to women.

    [–]Poppy29252Natal Cat Woman 57 insightful - 14 fun57 insightful - 13 fun58 insightful - 14 fun -  (0 children)

    Here we go.

    [–]PassionateIntensity 51 insightful - 2 fun51 insightful - 1 fun52 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

    Men being nice to women to fuck them is not love. It's not kindness. It's not respect. It's manipulation to get their dicks wet.

    [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Heads you win tails I lose? That should clue you in that you believe an unfalsifiable idea. It's the very definition. You cannot claim "society hates women" and then use all evidence to the contrary to support the position by applying appeals to motivation, appeals you fundamentally cannot demonstrate to be true (by lack of mind reading ability). In fact, your claim is flatly misandrist. A presumption on the motivation of men, as a whole, of that kind, is just hatred of men. Misandry.

    [–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 37 insightful - 4 fun37 insightful - 3 fun38 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

    The only people who use the word misandry are MRA misogynistic.

    [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    Soooo you think you can't hate men? That's literally what the word means. "Hatred of males".

    [–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 32 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 0 fun33 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    I think I've only saw misogynistics using this word against women for calling against sexism

    [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Except I haven't. As above, I pointed out you ascribed a motivation to men in general of a nefarious nature. This motivates a hatred of men, which would be misandry. It's a direct labeling of your mode of thought. If men ascribed nefarious motives to women like that I'd call it misogyny. It's a 1:1 replacement.

    [–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    That wasn't the case

    [–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ugh

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      [–]Criticallacitirc[S] 26 insightful - 11 fun26 insightful - 10 fun27 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

      Exactly! Who knew there were so many radical feminists out there ? 😆

      [–]Lapis_Lazuli 27 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

      Your point is taken—one need not be a radical feminist to reject the wackaloonery of trans activists—but for what it's worth, vanishingly few radical feminists are Butlerians. Butler is a darling of the sex-don't-real, gender-uber-alles camp.

      [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

      My point is I consider feminists, at least those I've met on the internet anyway, to be equal in terms of wackaloonery. The "feminist academics" very often too. Honestly they're just as bad as the same people blaming the jews for everything. They just blame men for everything instead.

      [–]Lapis_Lazuli 42 insightful - 2 fun42 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

      I'm not going to argue with you about whether sexism against women is real, common, and significant. It is, but I have better things to do than try and convince you of that. Have a nice day.

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

      Some people having bigotry of various kinds, misogyny, misandry, etc, is not what's up for debate. What's up for debate is all the other claims that accompany it, such as how prevalent it is, and things of that nature. But you're far from the first person making such assertions to bow out when asked. I'm sorry to say, but people subscribing to your beliefs are the least likely to ever bother trying to defend them under scrutiny.

      [–]Lapis_Lazuli 36 insightful - 2 fun36 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

      I'm observing the rules of this sub, which call for tolerance of a diversity of opinions. I'm also not wasting my time on a futile cause. I could spend every waking second of my existence arguing with men who believe some version of "sexism don't real (so shut your ugly cunt faces, you whiny feminazi bitches)" and even if I succeeded in changing a few minds, there would still be millions more like them. And I probably wouldn't succeed in changing many minds; perversely enough, people confronted with evidence challenging their beliefs tend to dig in and espouse those beliefs even more strongly. I've been debating online long enough to know that it's really all about scratching one's own itch to argue—and like I said, this isn't the right place and I'm not in the mood.

      So here's my challenge to you: go out and collect the strongest evidence you can demonstrating that women face pervasive sexism that exerts a significant negative effect on their lives. If you like, pretend that you have been assigned to write a research paper making this argument. I'm not going to give you a reading list; I just ask that you choose sources that seem credible, or at least worthy of consideration. It's easy enough to dismiss the SJW squawking of some teen on Tumblr. But try to find some thoughtful, fact-based writing about sexism that you can't dismiss out of hand. (Or don't—your choice, of course.)

      [–]GConly 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Not everyone here is a radical feminist. I'm not.

      I don't think sexism is a major factor in the west anymore.

      Probably not the sub for that discussion though.

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      I'm not only familiar with the cited research you've linked, but also familiar both with the research pertaining to writing about other opinions to alter your own. As cited by Jordan Peterson frequently, as well as methods of indoctrination by the Chinese. In other words, your rhetorical endeavor to plead for me to effectively brainwash myself to your point of view by acting the part is totally unsuccessful. What you have replied with is little better than Christians saying "read the bible" when prompted to demonstrate God exists.

      [–]Lapis_Lazuli 31 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      Bro, I'm not pleading. My feelings about you begin and end with mild irritation and, increasingly, a soupçon of contempt.

      I'm not asking you to embrace Jesus. I'm asking you to do research—to seek hard cold evidence that might challenge your current views. I see you don't want to do that (apparently exposing oneself to information that doesn't fit one's worldview is "self-brainwashing"?), so I repeat: have a nice day.

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      I do. Every single day. The fact that none of you can actually present any of this supposed research that must have surely convinced you is something I find incredibly suspect. That you don't, and that you don't recognize what you're doing is rhetorically identical to dismissive "read the bible" statements, is kind of sad.

      [–]Lapis_Lazuli 25 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      Yeah, sure. You're obviously extremely familiar with feminism, which is why you think Judith Butler is a radical feminist.

      Let's start with four claims. Which of the following do you doubt? On what grounds do you reject the evidence linked?

      • Systemic bias against female job candidates pervades many fields. Reams of studies have shown that employers tend to rate fictional female candidates as less hireable and less competent than equally-qualified male candidates.

      http://faculty.fiu.edu/~aeaton/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Eaton-Saunders-Jacobson-West-2019.pdf

      https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/09/21/study-offers-new-evidence-scientists-are-biased-against-women

      https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/why-employers-favor-men

      • Women in heterosexual relationships perform the lion's share of childcare, often driving them onto the "mommy track" or out of the workforce altogether while their husbands' careers continue uninterrupted by fatherhood. Men can have their cake and eat it too; becoming a parent entails much greater sacrifice for women.

      https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/women/reports/2018/05/18/450972/unequal-division-labor/

      https://www.nber.org/papers/w16582

      https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0190657

      • In many parts of the United States, women who wish to terminate an unwanted pregnancy will find it difficult to do so, thanks to concerted legislative efforts to restrict women's access to abortion

      https://www.guttmacher.org/united-states/abortion

      • Girls are taught that their looks are integral to their worth in a way that boys are not. Women are encouraged to pursue often unattainable beauty ideals and viewed as lesser when they fail to live up to those ideals in a way that men are not.

      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227762679_Body_Image_and_Self-Esteem_Among_Adolescent_Girls_Testing_the_Influence_of_Sociocultural_Factors

      https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/12/05/americans-see-different-expectations-for-men-and-women/

      Now, maybe you think that women are on average less competent than men and employers reluctant to seriously consider female candidates are just exercising common sense. Maybe you think that evolution has fashioned women to be caretakers and homemakers and it is best for all concerned if they are herded into these roles. Maybe you think that women who are pregnant should carry the pregnancy to term whether they want to or not (the selfish little sluts). Maybe you think that women should be invisible if they're not ornamental because, really, what else are women good for? I suspect that these statements do describe your beliefs to some extent, because the people who deny that sex-based oppression exists will usually, if pushed, admit that what they really mean is that sex-based oppression is good and and right and natural and therefore not truly oppression at all.

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        [–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

        I'm also not a feminist. I have the exact same mindset as you do. I'm currently at Gender Critical because I agree with the truth, thus, I'll agree with many points with which they stand. But I won't affirm myself as anything politically speaking. I follow the truth simply.

        [–][deleted] 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

        I haven't joined that sub simply because I'd end up arguing with the feminist ideology they constantly and chronically advocate. Frankly I find that ideology just as unrealistic and beyond reason as gender ideology. I, like a few people here, am a politically and ideologically homeless person. And I refuse to pick "sides". Nobody's on my side. Maybe you feel the same way.

        I warn you, though, the enemy of your enemy is not your friend.

        [–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        I do believe feminism should exist. But I do refuse to pick sides as well. There are some ideas radical feminism advocates that are too "extremist" to me and that I do not personally agree with, but liberal feminist is too damn inclusive and personally I find it a joke. So, yes, I do relate to you when you say you're a "ideologically homeless person". I refuse to commit to a certain political stance. Overall, I believe in the freedom of speech. I do think radical feminism is important, especially in times like this. But I also admit that feminism in itself is a pretty foreign concept to me still (I mean in depth level, not just on the surface) so I don't have a firm opinion on any kind of feminism. I simply listen to someone's arguments and I'll provide my opinion on the subject. I don't care what "ideology" someone's advocating for. I simply listen and try to have a critical healthy debate.

        [–]joogabahGay shows the way 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        Personally, I don't see a contradiction between radical feminism and men's rights activism. The problem is gender, and the best person to explain this is Warren Farrell. Both sexes are subject to the unfreedom of their respective genders, and no one alive today created this system. Women are objectified as sex objects; men are objectified as success objects. Women are subordinated to men; men's lives are worth less as they are sacrificed in war and dangerous jobs. It's 2 sides of the same coin, apparently inevitable out of necessity at a certain stage of human development that we are progressing beyond. Neither struggle for liberation necessarily minimizes the other.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        I reject the analysis on both accounts as I view the central premise as inherently flawed. While it is true that various societies and cultures endeavored to enshrine the roles of men and women in various ways, the most free and liberal societies end up doing this far more strongly simply by free choice. What this means is that, while such injustices and inequalities ought to be eliminated formally, they clearly reassert themselves by free choice anyway in average populations. Of course that does not mean I support their formalization, because that's unfair to the outliers. Only, this contradicts the central premise that these are the results of those formalizations.

        Put another way, I stand for equality. "Equity" is a dubious pursuit. Should the athletic hobble themselves for the crippled to achieve equal outcomes? Why would anybody? I do not see women as "objectified" nor men, not by your average person, and I find such presumptions of the psyche of people to be products of projections from malicious minds. Where are they evidenced? And why, in spite of asking several people in this conversation several times, has nobody presented a SINGLE point of evidence to center a debate on? Where's a SINGLE scientific study backing up these assertions?

        [–]joogabahGay shows the way 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        I think it is undeniable that men are used after the advent of civilization as soldiers and women as mothers. This is the economic source of their objectification, and only in our time is the economic necessity of these two roles negated (overpopulation and total war means total annihilation), and hence the possibility of transcending them.

        [–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

        I can't stand radical feminism. Or any extremist ideology, for that matter.

        I still don't believe in gender though. It's funny as fuck to watch TRAs call me a "TERF" when 1. I disagree with radical feminism and 2. I'm male and radfems make it clear males cant be one. They have no idea what they're even accusing people of.

        [–]Shinjin_NanaNopes faster than an Aeldari Jetbike 37 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 0 fun38 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        Radical in radical feminism means 'root' not radical as in extreme.

        [–]Astrid2448 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        LOL we aren’t calling radfems extreme because of the word radical. We’re in dropthet after all. We’ve been around you guys quite a lot.

        [–]Shinjin_NanaNopes faster than an Aeldari Jetbike 31 insightful - 3 fun31 insightful - 2 fun32 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        Yes. freeing women of patriarchy is sooooo extreme and radical.

        [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Define "patriarchy" and explain how you plan to "free women" from it. For that matter, demonstrate that it's a real thing that exists after you define it. Otherwise, you're little better than a religion that invents a "sin" that people allegedly need to be "freed" from by a deity.

        Or will you, like everyone else called out on this, just say "educate yourself" to escape the conversation?

        [–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        It is an extremist ideology, regardless of the word origins. If it was called "Happy Feminism" it'd still be extremism. Doesn't matter what you call it, it's the actions that make it so.

        [–]Shinjin_NanaNopes faster than an Aeldari Jetbike 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I fail to understand what is extreme about freeing women from patriarchy, sexist stereotypes, and allowing women to be themselves.

        [–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        It's the belief that all men are inherently evil, all women are brainwashed or evil if they're not radical feminists, all mentally ill people are evil, all women are slaves/victims/brainwashed and the communism that makes it extremist.

        Radical feminism is as much of "allowing women to be free from sexism and be themselves" as transgender ideology is "letting people be their true self and be safe." That's the lie they tell people to hide their intent.

        [–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Also not a feminist, and I don't support trans rights. Men are not women, women are not men, and there are only two genders.

        [–]Ladis_Wascheharuum 50 insightful - 15 fun50 insightful - 14 fun51 insightful - 15 fun -  (3 children)

        "From the results, it's clear that we have been too nice and accommodating to the bigots. We need to make our voices louder, inject ourselves into more spaces, and punch more TERFs."

        [–]ThrowMeAway2879 23 insightful - 6 fun23 insightful - 5 fun24 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

        Ah, yes. Also with the gun gifs. They are winning hearts and minds over there again.

        [–]indeepshadowsBi woman 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Isn't it wonderful how changing their mind doesn't even occur to these cultists? That's why they're cultists, I guess. :D

        [–]NiceDickBro 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        “No it’s not me, it’s the children who are wrong”

        [–][deleted] 49 insightful - 5 fun49 insightful - 4 fun50 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

        Everyone knows that transwomen are not really women. No rocket science involved.

        Do people pretend that they believe the lie in order to avoid the terf shitstorm if they admit out loud that they don’t believe that they are women?

        Absolutely.

        Biology matters.

        [–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I know so many biological women irl that repost trans propaganda much like BLM posts just to virtue signal to other women. They don’t want anything to do with non-straight non-whites but want to look good in the public eye for their business or social groups lacking any diversity. That’s what a lot of the handmaidens are.

        [–]throwawayfuckreddit 29 insightful - 3 fun29 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Honestly? I think that even the wokest ally (ESPECIALLY MALE ONES) know transwomen are men, and know that spouting whatever bullshit they say isn't going to effect them. They aren't going to date transwomen, they aren't lesbians, they aren't women. It's just like people who'd NEVER date a trans person or even knowing of one doing the, "not dating a trans person because they are trans is transphobic", they are thinking, "i'm talking to YALL, I'm not dating a fucking trans person, this is the rules for YOU to follow, me saying it makes me woke enough!"

        I had a friend who'd post all kinds of pro-trans bullshit, such as, "Neovagina's are like the real thing, it's fine to have a gential preference but if a trans person has the correct gentials you are into via surgery, it's nothing else but transphobia stopping you from dating them"

        But we went to a bar a while back, this trans girl came up to him and he was like, "Nah I'm straight" and the girl was cool about it. I side eyed the fuck out of him and wanted so badly to tell him what he did was "transphobic" by his own rules.

        [–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 39 insightful - 17 fun39 insightful - 16 fun40 insightful - 17 fun -  (0 children)

        Lol all the anime profile pics mad!

        [–]Tikiri 29 insightful - 15 fun29 insightful - 14 fun30 insightful - 15 fun -  (0 children)

        That’s the most fun I’ve had on Twitter in a long time!😂 The replies are 🔥🔥🔥

        [–][deleted] 35 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        It's always funny to me how TRAs think "TERFs" are a new phenomenon, or a group that banded together for the sole purpose of hating on trans people. People who aren't in lockstep with the trans cult are everywhere, and would've voted majority "no" eventually. Because outside of their "uwu im safe fwom da twansphobes" bubble, most people don't think men can become women (or women can become men).

        [–]throwawayfuckreddit 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        it makes no sense to me though. They act like TERFs are crazy and lunatics, like "Damn how could someone think such a shitty, stupid incorrect thing?"

        but in the same breath, they are being hunted for sport, attacked daily and are at the "bottom of society", if Terfs are so fucking crazy and the idealogy is so wild, how come every single trans person goes on a daily rant about how unaccepting society is it?

        Which one is it? Is everyone super acceptive and TERFS/"transphobes" are just the weirdo? I always assume they mean online, because online they have so many ass kissers so many people saying what they want to hear, but irl, sadly it's not like that.

        So I have NO idea why TERFS are their biggest focus, do they think every guy/lesbian that does not want Girldick does not want it because they are reading up on TERF shit?

        Edit- and I'm not saying transfolks DONT have hard lives or face a lot of shit they do.

        [–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Anything that questions their ideology (and by extension, their identities) makes them actually feel that they're being physically attacked. They extrapolate the suffering trans people endure from not being accepted into "if you don't validate my identity I'll kill myself, therefore by not using my pronouns/letting me into single sex spaces I don't belong in/having sex with me/telling me I'm a real man or woman, you are literally killing me." That's why they're always screeching about "LITERAL VIOLENCE."

        do they think every guy/lesbian that does not want Girldick does not want it because they are reading up on TERF shit?

        Yes. After GC went down a lot of them were complaining in other subs that the "terfs had invaded since their home was destroyed" completely unaware that there have always been people opposed to TRA ideology in those subs. Many who had never even set foot in GC. They weren't refugees from GC. But given that these types of TRAs don't know how to stfu, the "terfs got banned" celebrations kicked off and JKR bashing was back in full swing. This, of course, led to many rational people who actually read JKR's tweets to speak up and ask "but what did she do wrong? I don't see anything wrong with what she said" leading to these people being called terfs.

        The black and white thought process is "only a bad person could possibly hold these shitty beilefs/not cater to my whims, so they all must be evil trans hating terfs."

        [–]Criticallacitirc[S] 29 insightful - 8 fun29 insightful - 7 fun30 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

        Poll has been deleted. Also the person who started it is 13....jfc...

        [–]GConly 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        When reality infiltrates a safe space. Lol.

        This is what happens when you spend all your time in an echo chamber, you get shocked when you find out that virtually no one in the real world agrees with you.

        [–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

        I love how they can't stand reality and are all like "whoever said no block me!!". Omg, what sensitive snowflakes. Reality is transphobic 😂

        [–]slushpilot 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        It's like if you said something I didn't want to hear, and then I tell you to put your hands over my ears.

        "Whoever said no, help me perpetuate my delusion, please"

        [–]JulienMayfair 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Reality check time.

        [–]Criticallacitirc[S] 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I watched the results for yes go up by a 1000 in minutes, seems like someone is buying twiter poll votes.

        [–]11mile_house 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Sorry, “woman” is already taken. They are transwomen.

        [–]Seahorse 15 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

        Somehow it's all the TERF's fault yet again.

        Man we are mad influential apparently 🤣

        [–][deleted] 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

        They sent out the call for reinforcements.

        The no’s are decreasing. Instead of the 75% no, they are not women, it’s dropped to 60%.

        Colonizers working hard.

        [–]Criticallacitirc[S] 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Someone is using a service to buy votes. It went from 10,000 votes to 12,000 votes in about 20 min. There's only 700 comments & like 200 likes.

        [–]cutenoobies 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Is it deleted now? The last I saw was just a few minutes ago and I retweeted it.

        [–]Brokinnoggin 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        lol, all the reeing and threats of violence from the demented mob.

        [–]MadLass 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        They are so far in their echo chamber they truly dont believe most people disagree. I wish theyd understood a good majority believe trans should have every human right being for being who they are. They dont want THAT word (trans)woman though, they don't just want their own spaces, they want ours. All of it just for validation.

        [–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Truth hurts

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