ANNOUNCEMENT: new mod, and this sub will be opening soon!

reluctant_commenter · 2021-08-18T05:38:18+00:00

Thanks! :) Hope you all are doing well!

NutterButterFlutter · 2021-08-17T19:12:53+00:00

I'll bring this back to the mods to discuss :)

reluctant_commenter · 2021-08-15T21:58:02+00:00

Hey, I know this got posted a while ago but just a quick question about rules: Could we add "no sexist language"? I noticed this is absent from the s/lgbdropthet rules as well, wasn't sure if it got overlooked or what. I think people are generally pretty good about not being sexist, but it might be nice to have it formally in the rules.

iamalesbian · 2021-06-25T06:19:11+00:00

I'm glad it's opening soon. Do you know how to get more people to join it?

usehername · 2021-06-25T04:34:58+00:00

Sounds good.

usehername · 2021-06-25T04:34:28+00:00

I see.

TumbleweedFireflies · 2021-06-25T04:16:44+00:00

Soon. We're pretty much ready, we just need to make sure all of our mods are capable of doing the job before we open.

TumbleweedFireflies · 2021-06-25T04:16:06+00:00

It was already announced in s/LGBDropTheT as a courtesy, it was in a mod-stickied post and is still referenced in the current stickied post.

s/LGBDropTheT won't make another separate post because that's violating rules about self-advertising.

We're looking for input from people who are already committed to being a part of s/LGB, not people who we wrangle in.

usehername · 2021-06-19T22:07:40+00:00

If you're looking for more input, you could try making a post in s/LGBDropTheT ; a lot of them might not know about this sub.

usehername · 2021-06-15T16:11:14+00:00

When will this sub be open? I have an article I'm itching to post.

MarkJefferson · 2021-06-12T23:50:26+00:00

Perhaps the biangle, if it's not too big at 64px.

TumbleweedFireflies · 2021-06-12T09:16:26+00:00

Are there any of the cute/joyful images that really appeal to you?

It's easy for us to remake the flags and/or icons into the more joyful versions if people want it ... but we're also wondering if there are other images that people would want as user flairs. We don't want to get super complicated and have like 80 flairs to choose from, but it's pretty easy to add on a few more besides just the flags/icons.

Destresse · 2021-06-07T18:52:23+00:00

The emoji ones are cute haha I like the idea of having cute, kinda joyful looking flairs. I'm fine with the plain ones too but they're associated with dropthet in my head and the ambiance isn't the same if you see what I mean?

Okay wait I can express that in a simpler manner: I like having joyful flares for a joyful place :D

TumbleweedFireflies · 2021-05-30T18:49:08+00:00

I prefer the plainer ones too.

From a creator standpoint, they're a lot easier to make and manage also, since flairs have a size limit unless we want to get super-crazy with coding.

usehername · 2021-05-29T18:41:30+00:00

Sounds good to me. Idk I think the plain ones like in s/LGBDropTheT are fine, though the flags in the hearts are kinda cute.

TumbleweedFireflies · 2021-05-05T03:02:46+00:00

Nobody is commenting and giving input :(

I'm biased since I'm a mod and did pop in once in a while, but I'll start in case that helps other users want to comment.

I think the rules are a great start to get us opened, and we can always re-address later with the community as things change and progress. Post and user flairs will be the next consideration, once we know what people even want this sub to be.

I think rule 2 is probably the most important. We believe this sub should be LGB-focused only, and that means even good-natured and/or advice-style questions about gender identity should be directed elsewhere. We're aiming for an LGB safe space community with this sub, and even if it's LGB users asking the question or posting memes, don't want to accidentally colonize ourselves and become /LGBTQ+alphabet.

As SaidIt grows, the LGBT Ecosystem may become larger and more expansive. If that happens, we may need to shorten the sidebar list and make an extra page/link to other subs.

PeakingPeachEater · 2021-04-29T15:55:03+00:00

Hey, thanks!

MarkJefferson · 2021-04-29T07:31:06+00:00

Good luck!

PeakingPeachEater · 2021-04-28T17:53:53+00:00

Thank you for the warm welcome. :-)

SedateApe · 2021-01-01T14:58:17+00:00

Totally for the ORIGINAL rainbow flag.

Could squeeze in some pink triangle too. This was a common item to indicate and promote the LGB movement right after it finally got it's act together.

Since we want to promote LGB issues, just like when the LGB formed, I think any of the symbols used back in those day would, and should, apply.

It was a grass roots movement when it started. And I think we should be again.

SedateApe · 2021-01-01T14:51:19+00:00

Old, I know. Sorry Tumbleweed I just decided I'll be using this platform for my LGB online life.

I'm just reading through the "topics" list and I'm thinking...some of these are those "inches" that lead to all the "miles."

"I'm trans and recently discovered I'm a lesbian"... Would this be the trans man who is detrans now that doesn't want gay man penis any longer? Or is this an confirmed trans woman who runs with the tag "transbians"?

"isn't homosexuality/bisexuality outdated by gender identity now?".... This question alone allows additional "gender" questions. That is the backbone of the TRA argument...gender trumps sex and sexuality.

"Aren't you excluding asexuals and non-binary when you say "LGB only"?"... Ya, yes. We should be. Non-binary is also a TRA trigger word that actually used to mean GNC people like bitch lesbians and feminine guys. A masculine girl will dress, often, as she feels comfortable. Probably a pair of jeans with a t-shirt for summer. Only a non-binary person could then turn around and show up in a simple, but elegant, black, off the shoulder silk dress the next day. And "asexual" is just something that makes no sense. It's a "door opener" category into LGB specific subs/forums/groups for the rest of the "genders."

A bitch lesbians needs to identify as GNC.

I'm all for encouraging communication between the LGB and those who prefer gender as an identity. But I would be leary about using any LGB specific sub for those chats and discussions.

Maybe another sub with a title along the lines of "LGB And Sane Transgender Folk"... A bit of humor with that, but you get my point. A separate sub for those kinds of things to be exchanged with a hardcore moderating to make sure it doesn't turn into a TRA dominated sub.

We saw what happened to lgbt on Reddit. My understanding that was pretty mondaine in the beginning. Then the TRA gathered and set new policy there.

For me, and totally my personal opinion...LGB for LGb, only. LGBT for LGBTQQIAIDF+.

Hope you had a wonderful holiday season and I wish you, ad is,a HAPPY NEW YEAR 📣🎊🎉🎇

leznotless · 2020-10-13T03:08:07+00:00

So~ What have we got so far?

HelloMomo · 2020-10-01T02:52:48+00:00

This one, the one in the top right corner here

PeakingPeachEater · 2020-09-23T21:18:53+00:00

Was wondering if perhaps this subsaidit could even open up a Discord channel or use other IM apps like Skype, Zoom Jitsi, Wire, etc.

It would be nice to have the option to speak with others(voice or text) who are LGB or discuss some hobby/interest based things(Videogames, Hiking, book club, art, music, sports, lifestyle, etc).

I haven't met an LGB person in real life yet that is removed from TQ...so it would be nice to find others who are...

HelloMomo · 2020-09-10T14:06:05+00:00

You know that one symbol that's like ♀♀♂♂ but they're all linked up? First one is lesbian, second one is bi women, third one is bi man, fourth one is gay man? I think that one's neat.

HelloMomo · 2020-09-10T14:02:05+00:00

Oh, cool! This sub is basically what I was looking for when I made this post

TarshishJupiter · 2020-09-03T15:41:22+00:00

I guess what I was envisioning with the collage idea was b&w images with a rainbow overlaid. Kind of like this (quickly made this in photoshop with a random stock collage from the internet - not LGB people or anything):

https://imgur.com/5MbKEtf

Though the painting style idea u/les4les mentioned in a comment sounds cool too.

TumbleweedFireflies · 2020-09-02T03:58:58+00:00

Awesome, really appreciate your input!

Old-fashioned painting style sounds really cool too! I don't have a firm image in mind at all, the first thing that comes to mind is Renaissance, LOL ... but I'm thinking a painting style on top and some simple B&W behind it. So the painting style stands out as representation, and the B&W is like a gentle support behind it.

Any other ideas, keep 'em coming! We'll present options so everyone can weigh in and give feedback before we implement anything.

les4les · 2020-09-02T03:47:24+00:00

Not the original poster but I do love a good rainbow, particularly now that people keep trying to redesign it. I think black and white would go best with a rainbow if that happened but i do like the idea of old-timey photographs and paintings because a lot of them can be very pretty and pastel lol

I like the flag flairs too!

TumbleweedFireflies · 2020-09-02T03:38:32+00:00

Your vote is absolutely a vote, and thank you! I want to hear from everyone here before I even come up with a draft of potential rules and what we will/will not do :)

les4les · 2020-09-02T03:24:15+00:00

Ah, seems I'm just misunderstanding the rules of Saidit. my bad

I think I would mind having opposite views on LGB (or being on s/all) more than I would on LGBDDT just because LGB strikes me more as a safe space to get away from all the rest of this crap, lol, that's my $0.02

I agree I wouldn't want to limit the ability of the community to grow though. I don't know if it'd be easier to open the group more in the future if things work out, as opposed to having to close it more if things go south quickly so I can't offer any input on that, but I personally tend to err on the cautious side, so that's my vote if this is a vote haha

TumbleweedFireflies · 2020-09-02T02:48:26+00:00

We get the occasional troll over at LGBDTT too, and I've been a whole-hearted supporter of you all at s/Lesbians since before your new sub was even formed, so I'm with ya!

I'm not overly concerned about the rest of SaidIt, honestly. Some people here may be crass, crude, or downright offensive ... but I'd rather they be allowed to speak and me be allowed to have a discussion with them than to say "you don't get a voice at all because you're different". If I find I'm always disagreeing with people, then I'm in the wrong sub. And that's on me, not them.

I found this site when Reddit banned s/WatchPeopleDie a few years ago, and that was after Voat.co was formed, and Voat is infamous at this point for being "right wing nazis". Every time Reddit does a purge of "wrong think", users need to find a new place to go, and lets be honest ... Reddit has purged a great deal since 2016 and 2017.

Homophobes, anti-semites, right-wing, but most importantly ... "bad for our image to advertisers and the media". Hell, they even purged GenderCritical, who are leftist radical feminists.

There are always going to be conflicting opinions and people of different beliefs on any site. We can either allow them to have discussions on our sub (and stay on s/all) or we can remove them (and remove ourselves from s/all).

We don't really get a middle-of-the-road option, and honestly, no mods (or even site Admins) want to deal with that. It makes for ever-increasing rules and work-arounds, and makes subs into dictatorships instead of communities.

As for brigading, that's against the terms of SaidIt, so don't worry ... us mods and the Admins are always on the lookout. Admins actually added a new rule to the site guidelines in the past month or so because they saw astro-turfing occurring. I've seen it with my own eyes, Magnora7 has no qualms about suspending users who exhibit that kind of behavior. It's quite refreshing, "stay in your own lane, douchebag" is actually taken seriously here.

PS - I know I've written a huge long comment already, but I wanted to address what you said specifically here:

I don't mind the occasional rant about TQ+ as long as the rest of the sub isn't what you can expect from s/LGBDropTheT.

My fear is that if we allow it, it WILL overwhelm this sub. The number one reason LGBTTT removes posts is because people are ranting about trans in general, as opposed to focusing on why LGB want to drop the T. I also do not want this to become a clone of LGBBDTT, but I know from experience that it can and will if we don't nip it in the bud early and consistently.

TumbleweedFireflies · 2020-09-02T02:15:15+00:00

Brigaders and harassers are inevitable as the platform grows. I think we all have far more than enough experience with that already ;) Give an inch, and a mile is taken.

That said, I feel an explanation is needed ...

We could limit topics like these, for example:

I'm trans and recently discovered I'm a lesbian, support needed
Isn't homosexuality/bisexuality outdated by gender identity now?
Aren't you excluding asexuals and non-binary when you say "LGB only"?
I'm a butch lesbian who identifies as non-binary, what would you call me?

While subs are encouraged to be about communities, of course, SaidIt is (for the most part) an open and free speech platform. Us mods are not allowed to remove posts, or ban users, unless the user is dragging down the Pyramid Of Debate, brigading/astroturfing, or promoting illegal things according to U.S. law.

Openness and transparency if/when we remove is vital to not becoming Reddit Powermods 2.0, which is one reason why our ModLogs are publicly available for all to see. Additionally, if we want to dictate exactly what kind of content is and is not allowed here (LGB/homosexuallity/bisexuality only), then we HAVE TO remove ourselves from s/all. It's in our rules and guidelines for being a mod.

Long story short ... discussion, debate, and opposite views are 100% allowed ... unless we remove ourselves from s/all. I'm concerned about us becoming a clone of r/LGBT if we don't, but I also don't want to limit this small and just-forming community just because of my own fears.

TumbleweedFireflies · 2020-09-02T01:45:52+00:00

Having specific days dedicated to selfies or whatnot is definitely not mandatory ... it's more about making sure that the sub doesn't get overwhelmed with them every other day of the week. Since we're still so small and just getting started, it probably doesn't even need to be a rule yet, but it's something that can be considered for the future!

TumbleweedFireflies · 2020-09-02T01:43:33+00:00

I can definitely start things off with the flags for user flairs like on LGBDTT, and the icons too if folks want them. Easy enough to just copy-paste all of that over :) I can also allow text-only flairs, and/or the combination of text and images, if peeps would like!

Ooooh, I really like your idea about the banner! In your mind, do you envision color, black-and-white, or sepia like old-fashioned photos? Do you think we should have a rainbow flag incorporated in the banner, or is that overkill? Could always make the icon on the left side of the sub "LGB" with a rainbow background (or something).

TarshishJupiter · 2020-09-01T18:20:46+00:00

I like the flair flags on LGBDropTheT - maybe those could work for this sub as well?

As for the banner, what about a collage of famous gay and bisexual people.

Some possible women are Sappho, Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon, Barbara Gittings, Bessie Smith, Gladys Bentley, Ma Rainey, Miss Anne Lister, Audre Lorde, Katherine "Kit" Duffy, Hannah Höch, Hannah Gluckstein (Gluck), Tamara de Lempicka, Virginia Woolf, Pat Parker, Angela Davis, Li Tingting...

Some possible men are Ashok Row Kavi, Magnus Hirschfeld, Harvey Milk, Arsham Parsi, Karl Heinrich Ulrichs, Bayard Rustin, Charles Demuth, Robert Rauschenberg, Walt Whitman, Oscar Wilde, Alain Locke, Frederico García Lorca, Countee Cullen, James Baldwin, Yukio Mishima...

TarshishJupiter · 2020-08-29T23:22:16+00:00

I agree. I would like this to be a place for chatting, news, memes, etc. related to LGB. I don't think I would participate in Selfie Sundays though because of the danger of doxxing.

les4les · 2020-08-27T23:58:36+00:00

I agree with pretty much the entire proposal of what this community should be lol. I think specifically I'd be most interested in advice topics and sharing things like art, book/game/media recommendations, and commisseration hahaha. Definitely agree that I'd like Drop The T stuff to stay on Drop The T

Also kind of would like LGB to be taken of s/all but I don't mind if it isn't, unless we do get brigaders or harassers lol

Lez · 2020-08-25T16:00:17+00:00

I just want a casual place where LGB people can get together, talk, ask for advice, and share anything LGB-related. I don't mind the occasional rant about TQ+ as long as the rest of the sub isn't what you can expect from s/LGBDropTheT.

I worry about this place not being removed from s/all. The majority of Saidit seems homophobic, and if our offsite stalkers got wind of this place not having firm definitions of lesbian, gay, and bisexual I doubt they would hesitate in brigading s/LGB. We still get the occasional troll on s/Lesbians so please consider how we're all still vulnerable on Saidit.

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