UN Secretary General Says “White Supremacy” Among Biggest Global Threats by Fitter_Happier in debatealtright

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They call anything they dislike White Supremacy. They even call things they're apathetic about White Supremacy for fun, just to fuck with people.

A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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It's not that I think race itself has no importance to this grand conspiracy, it's my belief that race is not necessary to pull it off.

At this point, you're just babbling.

While there is hatred against White people by the media, they are not exactly facing forced government obstacles to make their lives inferior.

Also, no one attempted to assassinate Fidel Castro, because Fidel Castro died of natural causes.

I don't think the comparison to dogs work. How do you breed out "free will" from a Man?

You go from lecturing that the supposed plans of elites to engineer more docile societies are "unscientific", and then cite a completely unscientific concept as a flaw in their plans.

We have to agree to disagree. Leftists probably view you the same way where they believe anyone on the right is completely unredeemable or they don't make positive contributions.

Yeah, this old canard. Two people accuse each other of murder. They must both be murderers. Or neither. It cannot possibly be the case that one is, in fact, a murderer. What would the centrist do then?

I guess a better analogy is progressivism vs conservatism.

It's the same analogy with the same flaws. Progressives get retroactively cast as the positive forces in all ways. Weird how NAMBLA is never described as a progressive organization.

Centrists get elected all the time.

When they do get elected, it's because they do as they're told when pressure is applied. See: Joe Biden. He's actually the perfect example of what "centrism" cashes out to: a senile old man who isn't in control of anything and doesn't mind that much because he'll benefit personally.

And the Western world is where both communism and fascism rose.

Stop seeking out debate with strangers over topics you don't understand and are frankly afraid of thinking about critically as an excuse for a social life. Go on a date or something.

A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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If that's your opinion, I'll respect it. My own personal opinion is there is a war waged by corporations on the natural environment, but it's not racial in origin.

Most people refuse to see the racial aspects of these movements (at least insofar as they relate to White people) because to do so feels icky and their friends will call them nazis and they don't want that.

If corporations are simply greedy, that's the kind of problem you can argue with your friends about. If corporations hate White people, or particularly White culture or history, then you're going to be a pariah among many of your friends if you talk about it, in many circles.

So, lo' and behold, people look very closely and discover that it has nothing to do with race at all. (Or if it does, the real victims are whoever is not White.) No matter how explicitly people attack or promote policies and cultures against White people and particularly White culture and history.

Bringing races together or even breeding them together still doesn't scientifically explain how the Elites get to control a group of people who will always be submissive.

And very docile domesticated animals sometimes bite people. But to deny there's been progress made in intentionally making more gentle, harmless dogs (once known as wolves) is simply wrong.

At the least, if there was serious anti-white hatred, I would expect to see some kind of reverse some Jim Crow or Apartheid used against White people.

There already is, expanded to include corporate action, which is no joke. Unless you're extremely docile. They don't really bother deplatforming White people who are completely inoffensive and in fact are afraid of talking frankly about anti-White hate, typically, unless they offend another great cultural taboo like criticize gays.

I absolutely agree that not all Leftists are truthfully and they can also be their own worst enemy.

No, I didn't say they're 'their own worst enemy'. I'm saying that they're malicious and dishonest. They're not seeking Utopia and, gosh darnit, just don't understand the harm they do. They pay lip service to the idea of 'justice' and mostly it's a way to lash out and punish people.

Civil rights, environment regulations, eradicating illiteracy. It's not all Hippie BS.

Putting aside how rotten half of those things are - civil rights as the modern left understands it are absurd - those weren't creations of liberals, except insofar as people look at history and go 'Oh I like that. Liberals did that.' A bit like how WWII is now, for idiots, 'Antifa versus DA FASH' and ignoring how the Allies were composed of literal unrepentant colonizers and guys who were adamantly opposed to racial integration, among other things.

That's correct. We also have multicultural cities that still enjoy relative levels of peace and the majority of its citizens get along.

"Other than the massive amount of racially charged riots we had during the summer, we get along just swell, fellas!" Or better yet, "Toronto has a high population of non-White people (Asians) and they don't have a lot of violent crime, so I don't understand why you can't have a similar culture in Detroit."

But then again, this is why politics needs to be open minded and balanced instead of echo chambers that force a Far-Left or Far-Right slant.

No one respects centrists, and no one will for a long time, because everyone has figured out that a key component of 'centrism' isn't a firm commitment to a belief (they'd be "extreme" then) but meekness and opportunism. Their ideology changes based on what's in vogue at the moment, and they reposition in reaction to both changing power structures (no matter how rapid or unjust) or outright threats.

It's why the left was able to roll over most institutions. Because centrism/being moderate is the norm among people, and those are precisely the people who always shut up and behave. Which is why the NFL itself featured an ad saying 'Everyone should be a centrist!'

The Dissident Right/WN obsesses too much over race-mixing. It's really not that big of a deal, IMO. by AltAlt in debatealtright

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It's bad optics when white men in the DR bitch about white women sleeping with blacks, like that Coal Fax website.

They don't bitch so much as laugh, and one of the reasons they laugh is because the statistics about bm/wf relationships in particular are absolutely insane. I'm not sure if you're aware of them but everything from single motherhood to tremendous abuse abounds, and isn't normally talked about because people are terrified of 'bad optics'. There comes a point where being concerned about optics is counterproductive, and this is one.

Those women don't give a flying fuck what you think.

Just incorrect. Women respond to social shaming and group judgment even more than men. Some people deserve to be mocked and ridiculed, and single women with black kids (and a black eye, normally) screaming about how men suck because none of them will marry her really needs some mockery. If it's just the alt-right doing it, that's not good enough, but frankly most people probably agree with what the alt-right is saying on this one.

And I say that as someone who doesn't care so much about the ideal cases. Clarence Thomas marrying a White woman doesn't keep me up at night. I'm frankly more concerned Rosie O'Donnell has kids.

A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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For example, the most popular I've seen is that an elite group of people are deliberately forcing white people to intermarry with other racial groups, in order to create a subservient race who are suppose to be slaves or are mentally too "dumb" to ever rebel against the new world order.

That's a very specific claim which isn't as important as the main thrust: an intentional war on White people.

the slave owner dream.

The slave owner dream isn't of necessarily stupid people, but subservient people. I think the 'intentionally creating a race of low-IQ people' line is wrong - if anything I suspect a vastly more nihilistic attitude of the elites. But regardless, they want people who will obey, and accept all their moral dictates. Low-IQ may help with that, but it's not the end goal itself even under that suspicion.

So they have all the power to destroy themselves right now,

They don't, or at a minimum, they don't think they do. If they cut off access to health care and completely cut their funding overnight, you'd see a reaction. Macron has tons of power, but those Yellow Vest riots are a real concern, and that's over comparably minor changes.

Even if the nefarious reasons are right, how did the alt-right predict or guarantee that white oppression is something that must exist in the future as opposed to the idea that humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences?

There's plenty of ways to get over tribal differences and they all involve borders.

That doesn't mean I want to see White people go away but how does the fear that White people are going to be targeted coincide with the same Leftists who believe in eradicating suffering?

If you take leftists' words at face value, all I can say is you're being incredibly naive. The number of leftists who 'want to eradicate suffering' and who also practically orgasm at causing pain and misery to people who reject their moral beliefs in the most minimal sense is incredible. See: JK Rowling, who is on paper a leftist through and through, but she's a stick in the mud about 'trans women' being women, so now she - a billionaire with probably the most popular franchise in the world - is despised by a tremendous number of people.

Cuckservative in action by ShiversRussia2017 in debatealtright

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Doesn't seem wrong. There's a racial component to leftism, but in a lot of ways, the racial component is a proxy for political targeting. The multicultural, "anti-racist", anti-White leftist coalition will utterly hate black people and more who have the wrong politics, and think nothing of forcing their views on them.

That said, the pro-life movement is top heavy with women, wimps and grifters, and has been getting infiltrated for a while. So 'black genocide!' is in vogue, but if you talk about White genocide through abortion, people are horrified.

Three Grammy nominees decline their own nominations because they’re white by JuliusCaesar225 in debatealtright

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Being completely honest, I do not mind if White leftists are absolutely stomped into the fucking dirt.

That said, I know that this is all done for the same of setting an example for others, but really, I don't give a fuck about the Grammy's or any of these awards. Some Fellow White or brainwashed/cynical "entertainer" feigning self-immolation doesn't bother me, and I hope everyone who does that lives an impoverished life.

PREPARE FOR WAR: After Jan. 6th, expect all hell to break loose across America by TheJamesRocket in debatealtright

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I don't expect any major violence, but I do think we're hitting a point where a critical number of people in the US regard the government as illegitimate. Most people won't act on that in any big way, but when a lot of people have that dramatic a change of heart, it starts to impact the real world.

Which do you see as the greatest enemy: Jews, blacks or White women with tattoos? by Courbeaux in debatealtright

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White women with tattoos

Women do as they're told. As horrible and monstrous as they can be when acting on social/group pressures, nothing harmful ultimately originates with them.


Their own worst enemies. On their own they're easily dealt with. The most intellectually dangerous blacks tend to be about as black as whatever Prince Harry married. The intellectually proficient heavily-black ones tend to be alienated from their own people.


They pose the greatest problem purely because of the sheer amount of terror anyone has about criticizing them openly, the influence they wield, and the ethnoreligious clannishness they display.

But 'greatest' doesn't mean 'only'. We're up to the throat in traitors and threats of various kinds. And - this is the hard one to get - sympathetic, reasonable people exist of multiple ethnicities and backgrounds too.

Ethiopian migrant who became symbol of integration in Italy killed on her goat farm by another migrant from Ghana by Soylent in debatealtright

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She's still a symbol of integration. Probably a more accurate one now.

Netflix has a new show called "Bridgerton" set in Victorian England. I decided to skim through a few episodes to see how blacked it was.... by JuliusCaesar225 in debatealtright

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Why can we never have hot Latinas diversify shows?

Because a tremendous amount of this schtick is spite. The goal is to make people upset, not make things palatable.

It's a bit like how wearing a mask and social distancing is treated as a tremendously important, life-or-death rule. But not so important that the goal is to make people who don't like these rules truly like them or feel comfortable with them. If people didn't mind wearing masks or socially distancing (and I'm OK with both, because I don't like most people anyway), it would defeat the purpose and appeal for many.

Same with shows like this. If it were palatable to more people, those making it would find it undesirable.

Something I don't understand by Courbeaux in debatealtright

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Why do white nationalists oppose any economic policy that helps poor people because it would disproportionately help blacks, yet don't support policies that harm billionaires even though that would disproportionately harm Jews?

Because you engage exclusively with figments of your imagination.

Fall of Islam in Iran: only 32% of Iranians are Muslims now by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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Not sure where the 32% number is coming from, but Iran, I recall, actually had a religious modernization program, complete with promotion of birth control. Basically like modern (ineffective, heretical) Christianity, with some similar results.

Old religion is what's needed. New religion has been what we've gotten since the Enlightenment, and it's failed.

What are examples of social constructs that are valuable or important in society? by marc_gee in debatealtright

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Social justice is a social construct.

"I Can't Keep It Up" | Last free speech site going down Christmas day by Node in news

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because there is such a long history of bigotry towards them

For no reason at all!

RICHARD SPENCER & ED DUTTON | Making Sense of Race | McSPENCER GROUP PODCAST | 2020-12-20 by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

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Didn't he come out as a Kyle Rittenhouse hater too?

I don't know if Spencer's an actual fed, but if he's not, he's the kind of guy feds would help out indirectly because he's such a useful idiot for their purposes.

If you were given complete control, what would the immigration policy in your country be? by AltAlt in debatealtright

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A complete moratorium on new immigration and a policy of encouraging black emigration to Africa, complete with payments and surrender of citizenship.

After permit approved for whites-only church, small Minnesota town insists it isn't racist. City leaders said if they had turned down Asatru Folk Assembly, they would have faced an expensive legal battle. by marc_gee in debatealtright

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Once again, it's this ideology destroying us and preventing any resistance to diversity and non-white immigration, not jews per se.

Anti-White ideology isn't really present in small-town USA. It's fear of powerful forces, many but not all of them either explicitly Jewish or backed by Jews, which motivates them.

I mean shit, look at the article: Larry Tribe. SPLC. Not exactly goytown. Or Browntown, for that matter.

I agree that shitty Whites - cowards or the brainwashed - are part of the problem, but at absolute most it's a problem in tandem with largely Jewish influences, and it's that influence which is absolutely, positively protected and forbidden from criticism. The moment that stigma dies, a lot of these problems become tractable to solve.

The Votes of Black Americans Should Count Twice by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

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The idea that blacks at large give a damn about equality is a laugh.

why are mainly rightwingers so into anti-vax conspiracies? by grocerymannn in debatealtright

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Yeah, STEM fields are often overfilled - turns out we can, in fact, have too many scientists. Especially when the "scientists" are just people with degrees that have been watered down.

The public perception of what is and isn't a scientist is also absurd.

And the fact is, scientists lie. They bullshit, they protect their reputations, they have their own philosophical and social projects. And yeah, things like the replication crisis don't get mentioned because if the public becomes skeptical of scientific claims or even science journalism, it can impact funding, which is all that matters for many of them.

I have little wonder that people are now finally saying "You know what, maybe these vaccines aren't trustworthy".

Assuming a Christian alt-right state comes to power, should we become a Theocracy? by Minedwe in ChristianRight

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They brought it on themselves. The number of clergy - even among supposed conservative Catholic stalwarts - who were able to call out James Martin for being the rodent he is has been minimal. A few did - I think Poprocki was one, there were others. But that was a good test case, and not many passed.

Assuming a Christian alt-right state comes to power, should we become a Theocracy? by Minedwe in ChristianRight

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Christians, Catholics in particular, tend to forget that 'separation of Church and State' was A) always a compromise, never a component of the faith itself, and B) was specifically a compromise between Christian sects in a Christian nation. Even Enlightenment Project America recognized God, divinity, and divine purpose from the outset. They may have kept things vague to not provoke sectarian disputes, but not so vague as to make one wonder just what broad faith united the nation.

Now we have idiot clergy and pastors wringing their hands saying 'Well we have to respect Satanism otherwise we'd be violating people's personal beliefs. Anyway, anyone who doesn't think racism is super important is a pariah and should be denied the right to use the market.'

Assuming a Christian alt-right state comes to power, should we become a Theocracy? by Minedwe in ChristianRight

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That is, should paganism and atheism be banned? Can they be banned, in your opinion?

I support them being delegitimized and never supported by the government or recognized as culturally integral. Are there any pagans around who aren't kidding and also aren't a clownshow?

Or, as a third option, do you believe in complete religious freeedom?

Absolutely not.

Do you have any sympathy for American soldiers who choose to fight for ZOG? by Courbeaux in debatealtright

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On a case by case basis, I can.

But you get too many guys like David French, who were JAGs or serving sloppy joes in a German cafeteria for a couple years, looking forward to dressing up in their uniforms and talking about how they served their country.

Frankly, I don't like non-right-wing people, and the idea that I'm duty-bound to spout "Thank you for your service, sir!" and act nice to Dan Crenshaw because he lost an eye is asinine. Largely the product of a decaying era that has been intentionally hijacked for other purposes.

why are mainly rightwingers so into anti-vax conspiracies? by grocerymannn in debatealtright

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Because being pro-scientist doesn't mean being pro-scientist. Scientists, especially in this age, are full of shit.

See the "scientific" response to mass protests out in public during a supposedly deadly pandemic: "Racism is a public health crisis too!"

See health officials, earlier in the year, insisting that blocking international travel was a terrible idea and in fact wearing a mask was a bad idea.

Science is doing just fine. Scientists have squandered their reputations.

Don't give in to leftist thought: Morality is our strength by Minedwe in debatealtright

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I once ran into a pagan who was a classical theist, so basically an actual Aristotilean. It was refreshing.

I wish there were more pagans like that.

Adolf Hitler enjoys a landslide election win to become administrator of a small district in Namibia by [deleted] in debatealtright

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Hitler dindu nuffin wrong.

Stonetoss - Tainted Love by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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People will notice that the one thing I always make sure to get up on this sub - as I did with /arc - is Stonetoss.

That's because, despite I'm fairly sure being an atheist, his social commentary on morals is typically witty and more in-line with Christian teaching than whatever most Christian media tends to talk about nowadays.

Black Lives Matter approval rating has gone from +22 to -5 with White people over the past couple months. by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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The public at large has no idea that MLK was a rapist, no.

This is like saying most people are aware of crime statistics and IQ data.

They're not.

Black Lives Matter approval rating has gone from +22 to -5 with White people over the past couple months. by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Just picked it up from this tweet.

I knew the initial poll was too high. It's gone from 'Well of course their lives matter, all lives do' to 'Yeah we know what that means, fuck off.'

Woman Who Punched Reader During Mass Identified, Not Facing Charges, Philadelphia Police Say by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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Black woman.

Father Gill addressed the criticism that people in the pews sat idly by while the attack played out.

“Many people are asking me what people didn’t jump up out of the pew, why people didn’t leave the sanctuary. I could speak for myself, if I was here, the way I’m built, I would have been there. I know that” Father Gill said. “Other people don’t feel free to do that, fear overcomes them. I think everyone can ask themselves the question: What would I have done? And the answers would be maybe similar to the people who were here in church or different, I’m not sure. I don’t want to second-guess anyone who was here yesterday.”

The fact that the priest is tongue-tied and can't really explain what should be done in a situation like this goes a long way towards explaining why it happened, and why people act the way they do.

Contrucci also said she wanted the incident to just die down and let the police do their work.

They did. She's not being charged, because she's black.

A spokesperson for Mayor Jim Kenney says “the mayor is disturbed by what appears to be an unprovoked act of violence in the Cathedral Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul during Sunday’s service. But it would be inappropriate to comment further as the matter is still being investigated by the police department.”

Black man shot while resisting arrest, on camera: riots, marches, denunciations, demands the cop be prosecuted, jailed.

White person assaulted on camera while doing nothing: we need more information before we can comment.

Justice Department Finds Yale Illegally Discriminates Against Asians and Whites in Undergraduate Admissions in Violation of Federal Civil-Rights Laws by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Looking at the headlines this is making, I am enjoying how 'whites and asians' becomes 'some applicants' in various places.

Do you guys think Donald will get assassinated if he loses the election? by TheCheebuMenace in debatealtright

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Never. That would run the risk of actually making people lose their minds and become uncontrollable. Trump has a cult of personality going on.

He'd more likely be arrested, or worse, forced to basically shit on his own supporters and say Black Lives Matter and America is a racist country or something as a demoralization campaign.

I can't believe leftists STILL deny that Antifa exists by tantamle in debatealtright

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How can anyone genuinely believe this?

They don't. Why in the world do you think they do?

Leftists lie. They shamelessly lie, especially about what they believe, because they have figured out that most people make accommodations for sincere beliefs no matter how crazy they are.

It's why leftists constantly scream about how they "don't feel safe". Because they know that if they really seem to "not feel safe", then many people will try to accommodate them. And if the only thing that makes them "feel safe" is giving them whatever they want - banning a speaker, censoring ideas or criticism - oh well, it must be done.

It's why you can find them in blatant contradictions, correct them, and they go on repeating the same contradictory views.

What will be reaction of the alt lite, America first, racist liberals and le Classical liberals when Trump loses the election by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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It's the leadership line, and I think it's insincere. It's meant to pacify, and also to signal that they're "one of the good ones", which also means "one of the employable ones".

The base doesn't want this for the most part, which is why they elected an absolute bombthrower in 2015-2016, and Qanon - as gay as it is - is an extremely popular fantasy about Trump suddenly locking up tons of his political opponents for good.

On Secular Jews by [deleted] in debatealtright

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This begs the question, what is to be done with the Secular Jews?

I think the division between secular and zionist doesn't work. There's plenty of 'secular' Jews who are still hardcore zionists, not to mention, cultural poison.

How Safe Are Vaccines? ("there are risks" (Gill Bates is one) not about cure, but control) 14 min | RknMrE by Marginotions in debatealtright

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The vaccine debate is one I mostly ignore, because I don't care.

But I'm entirely sympathetic to the skepticism people have of academia and experts.

General thoughts on Joseph McCarthy? by MostBasedRedditor in debatealtright

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Largely correct, and also for the time, effective. Didn't go far enough.

What will be reaction of the alt lite, America first, racist liberals and le Classical liberals when Trump loses the election by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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No matter who wins in November, I think one thing is likely: the losing side will not consider the win legitimate. And for all purposes, they'll actually believe it and act as if they believe it.

I think the GOP will use an old approach here: 'Well the left may have won but you know what? The difference is that CONSERVATIVES don't WHINE or RIOT when we lose. We respect results!' And I don't think it's going to work this time. It's not new at this point for the left to act as if Republican officials are frauds who don't deserve legal respect. I think the change will be, if they lose, Republicans acting that way.

The twist is that if this is accurate, I'm not sure the elections will go off smoothly anyway. People have talked about the possibility that election results will be delayed for months, and that's possible. Which probably won't help matters, at least as far as 'everything proceeding normally' goes.

That, I think, is the real stick of dynamite. People won't just go "Well we lost, that sucks." They're going to deny that they lost. That won't be mere cope: they're going to believe it, and it's going to color everything they think about politically. Political figures, elected and appointed, will start openly defying people and daring the authorities to step in and force things.

If things get THAT far, it's over. People always say 'Then the military will come in and crush the rebellion!', but it's not going to be like that. It's not easy to crush a rebellion when the rebellion is that legislators ignore laws, or police stop enforcing laws. We're seeing that now. I know a typical reply is 'But if the RIGHT ever did that, they'd crush us!', but I think that's demonstrably false.

Woke Leftists Argue that 2+2=5 by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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Surely we can convince normies that these people are insane?

Part of the reason the left keeps advancing is that conservatives and the right in general try to convince people by argument, reason, and evidence, while the left belittles people, screams, and shuns.

Which works on everyone, including most conservatives, which is why gay marriage and Lady MAGA are now core aspects of 2020 conservatism.

Are there "sincere" Leftists? What do you make of them? by tantamle in debatealtright

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But are some leftists genuine people who sincerely wish to see a more equitable, inclusive society, for example?


Edit: This is a real common myth among conservatives in particular. "The left doesn't understand that their goals are actually counterproductive if they want fairness and justice!" Right. They don't care. The ones that are consistent quickly become weird fringe mavericks who are mostly known for getting into spats with leftists.

How do you respond to the “Whites deserve whatever harm comes their way” people? by justjoggin in debatealtright

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Enthusiastically agree, and talk about the various ways I'd punish white leftists and Jews for their crimes.

The unspoken assumption with just about anyone making that claim is that 'the kind of white people I have in mind' will be punished. Then again the assumption here is that this is white a ilberal saying it.

If it's anyone else, then bring up their people's past crimes and say they have it coming too.

So basically: with whites saying this, put their necks and those they care about on the visualized chopping block. With non-whites, make them defend their people's past monstrousness.

What do you care about more, your ethnic group or your race? by [deleted] in debatealtright

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I'm American, so I care about whites. That said, now and then I get suspicious of anglos. I'm slavic, but it seems like my slavic/blooded friends are instantly onboard with a lot of right-wing thought, while even the more conservative anglos are prone to massive sympathy and white guilt.

Zimbabwe signs billion-dollar deal to repay white farmers by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Pretty much. Though outward acknowledgment of debt to whites is a fascinating thing. I've seen headlines talking about blacks in Zimbabwe talking about how much they miss their last Rhodesian PM.

Not that that changes my mind on unity. Diversity is a weakness. But maybe if we're apart, terms of engagement can be better.

Unfortunately, I suspect the Chinese have other plans for Africa.

Zimbabwe signs billion-dollar deal to repay white farmers by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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It's funny that they'd like to pay them billions of dollars but the economy's so fucked they actually don't have that despite being a nation.

Zimbabwe signs billion-dollar deal to repay white farmers by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Rhodesia was an oppressive, apartheid state in steroids

My goodness. They were...... raciss????

Let me spell it out for you nice and slow, since it's about your speed: you're a transparent fake. Saying "Fellow White People" doesn't work with leftist Jews. You talking about "our ideology" doesn't work here.

Fuck along now back to your BLM protests and bulls or whatever it is your kind does.

Zimbabwe signs billion-dollar deal to repay white farmers by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Zimbabwe is already struggling financially,

That's their own fault, and who gives a shit?

The white race has no place in Africa,

They're being compensated for having been robbed of the spoils that were crafted from a nation they largely built.

Meanwhile, you as of six days ago:

I disagree, I believe African Americans should be awarded their owns states in the South.

Africa for the Africans, except for African Americans, who should be given American land. Let me guess: America actually belongs to blacks and "native Americans" and Americans should depart for Europe?

You are clearly full of shit, so kindly fuck off.

"Our ideology." indeed.

Concrete activism that any one of us can do. (Think Tank style post) by frodo-baggins in debatealtright

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Dymo Labeler.


Cheap stickers.


Good, simple graphics/slogans/mantras.


Any surface that has some traffic and isn't near security cameras.

Be sure to wear your mask, sunglasses, hat, and inconspicuous clothing.

Zimbabwe signs billion-dollar deal to repay white farmers by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) — Zimbabwe’s government on Wednesday signed a deal with former white farmers to pay them billions of dollars in compensation roughly two decades after they lost their land in often violent invasions.

But because the government does not readily have the money, the farmers will be part of a team tasked with raising the cash.

About 4,000 farmers lost large swathes of land when Zimbabwe’s late leader Robert Mugabe launched the often-chaotic land reform program which he said was aimed at addressing colonial-era land inequities. White farmers had owned the majority of prime farmland. Agricultural land now belongs to the government.

As they say, "It's a good start."

Don't argue that white identity exists. Assert it. If someone denies it, don't debate - assert that 'being Jewish, black, or latinx' doesn't exist. by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Sure, let 'em. I ain't arguing, and I strongly suggest others don't either at this point. Not getting drawn into an argument over the existence of white people is the key here. If they want to agree Jews, blacks, and 'latinx' don't exist, that's on them.

That said, my experience is they won't do that. Or at least, you're not going to get that outside of a fringe debaters who are irrelevant. The same people who will say that 'white people' don't exist as a category would typically sooner swallow strychnine than says 'Jews' don't exist in a meaningful sense. Hence why you see this push to 'capitalize Black but not capitalize white' and the fact that some newspaper decided to capitalize White as well has led to absolute panic.

Don't argue that white identity exists. Assert it. If someone denies it, don't debate - assert that 'being Jewish, black, or latinx' doesn't exist. by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Yep. It's the most faggoty of terms, and really, anyone who wants to go on offense in a debate would have a field day there.

Don't argue that white identity exists. Assert it. If someone denies it, don't debate - assert that 'being Jewish, black, or latinx' doesn't exist. by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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By playing along with their ideas rather than defending the facts they are denying, you put them in a position where they have to explain their insanity.

I'm saying something beyond that: to not argue with them at all. Not on this point.

It doesn't matter if their leftist is inconsistent. What matters is taking a stand, simply and clearly: treat the existence of white people as a given, and go on from there. If you really want to debate, then treat concession of that fact as a necessary precondition for there to be any debate at all.

Don't waste time chasing them around trying to point out the inconsistencies in their arguments. That matters vastly less. What matters is defiantly stating that white people exist, are being treated unfairly, that it's OK to be white.

In case the past couple months haven't made it abundantly clear, having a good argument matters way less than taking a bold stand, simple stand, acting like justice and righteousness is on your side, and not backing down. You can lose every 'debate' and still win the war if this attitude spreads.

Yelp: 60% of Temporarily Closed Restaurants Now Permanently Closed by Hockey_Sweater in ChristianRight

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I'd like to see more stats about that. Specifically how many are small family-owned/operated businesses versus business endeavors by someone who had a kitchen full of illegals.

Americans Say Blacks More Racist Than Whites, Hispanics, Asians by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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It's just more data, of whatever quality.

Sure, the results of the polls are skewed by all kinds of things: question bias, priming, etc. On the other hand, the way that people react to those things is data itself. It's rough stuff, getting opinion data on people who change their opinions so easily.

But still, funny results.

Americans Say Blacks More Racist Than Whites, Hispanics, Asians by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 75% of American Adults think the term “racism” refers to any discrimination by people of one race against another. Just 15% say it refers only to discrimination by white people against minorities. These findings have changed little in surveys for the past several years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Eighteen percent (18%) say most white Americans are racist. But 25% believe most black Americans are racist. Fifteen percent (15%) think most Hispanic-Americans are racist, while nearly as many (13%) say the same of most Asian-Americans.

I know this site is for free speech and all but please cut the antisemitism and conspiracy theory bs from the front page. It's not a good look and is going to drive people away from trying the site. by Locke in SaidIt

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Most people who will be checking out Saidit are going to be people who were censored off other sites or left because those sites were censoring content they like. Seeing the sort of stuff they know gets censored everywhere else will encourage them.

Pompeo: C.C.P. 'Must Be Gleeful' over 1619 Project - Rioters Destroying Statues Believe Its 'False Doctrines' by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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Finally they're starting to talk about it.

Catholics express unending love, willingness to serve people who destroy their churches. Are shocked it keeps happening. by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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The group of around a hundred, led by Father John Currie, included parishioners, priests, nuns, and monks. They recited prayers in English, as well as Spanish, Portuguese, and Latin, and offered benevolent words to “the person or persons” responsible for the scorched statue, with Currie proclaiming at one point, “We love you, we forgive you, and we are here to serve and help you in any way you may need.”

This is not the example Christ set nor commanded, and the fact that this continues to be the mainstream depiction of Christianity - by Christians themselves - is nothing short of insane. It's as if they think the absolute pinnacle of the faith is being bludgeoned to death by a mob, and their response is, "I love you and forgive you. Please, may I get you something to drink? You look parched."

The worst part is, it's utterly insincere. The same people who preach ceaseless love and tolerance to anyone who would destroy their churches would be absolutely outraged and work to censor or destroy anyone who so much as made a joke calling someone a nigger. They are not acting out the convictions of their faith. They're following a script which they think makes them look pious and pure. They don't defend their churches because they think it would look bad to do so.

It's a nasty form of pride.

Man abused by his wife by calmbluejay in BiblicalSubmission

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Oh I just meant: he outright said that if he did anything, he would have been destroyed. He wasn't abused because he couldn't stop her, but because if he stopped her, the risk was high that he'd be punished for it.

I'm Catholic, but nevertheless, that's true. I'd add a caveat: to be Bible-centered, people have to read their Bible. All of it. And deal with it, including the parts they dislike.

It dawned on me at one point that many people who 'Read their Bible every day!' are reading the exact same handful of parts they like and make them feel good, usually uplifting parts. The parts of the Bible which grate on them or make them feel uneasy, they never read again.

Man abused by his wife by calmbluejay in BiblicalSubmission

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Sounds like a man abused by a system.

I'm tired of being told that I should want equality. by calmbluejay in BiblicalSubmission

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Congratulations, may you all prosper in Christ.

Why should I care about equality.

No one should. Not men, not women. It's all a ruse anyway.

Submission vs. Obedience by calmbluejay in BiblicalSubmission

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Alright, that makes sense.

Submission vs. Obedience by calmbluejay in BiblicalSubmission

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Can you give an example of something a husband may command of his wife that his wife would rightly refuse? And I mean the most bland, most-likely-to-happen of examples rather than extremes (like 'poison our child').

I'm curious how this would manifest, since I think this is the stickier part of submission.

Poland's conservative President Duda re-elected by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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I see that controversial 'let's drive all the LGBT people into the ocean' platform paid off.