Top U.S General Defends Critical Race Theory. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Whats your political orientation, radicalcentrist? Are you white? Jewish? Christian?

For most of my life, I was always Centre/Centre-Left. Especially when it comes to environmentalism. After 2017 and the non-stop racial bombardment by the media, I've come around to support keeping historical White Nations the majority.

I wont mention what the rest of my background is (although I'm non-religious and not Jewish by ethnicity or religion).

Ironically, my beliefs actually came from a Japanese-Canadian, who expressed a concern I have (i.e mass immigration is bad for the environment). But I was disgusted by how even the media was calling him racist for stating something that was 100% fact. That was my first redpill that something was wrong with the world.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/jason-kenney-slams-david-suzukis-immigration-views-as-toxic-and-irresponsible-after-environmentalist-says-canada-full

More diversity nonsense from Hollywood, Snow White is now brown. by JuliusCaesar225 in debatealtright

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There was actually an all black cartoon in the 1940s.

Called Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Black_and_de_Sebben_Dwarfs

Of course, not made by Disney and it was a parody.

How do you debunk the argument that "certain races need time to catch up?". by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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You joke, but I've seriously met some individuals who think countries like India or Jamaica are on par with Europe. They either point to extreme examples, like maybe one good city that's in a wealthy area, or they use rare exceptions, like Usain Bolt being an extraordinary athlete.

But when I ask these same people why do they bother immigrating to the West then if everything is fine, they respond with "because they want better education/opportunities".

It's absolutely wild arguing with these people, especially since they refuse... to... take.... no... for.... an... answer.

How do you debunk the argument that "certain races need time to catch up?". by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Alright, thanks for the sources.

How do you debunk the argument that "certain races need time to catch up?". by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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I've done this before but what usually happens is this:

  1. They say stuff like "jim crow & redlining only ended 50 years ago. Black people who lived through those events are still alive".

  2. They also bring up this 1972 study that says the IQ gap is closing. But they never explain just how much time is needed for it to close completely.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/black-white-gap-in-iq-scores-closing-study-finds/2006/06

Hitler is ok. (actually he's really cool) by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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Are you serious? Some of it was because of Versailles, some of it was because of the HRE, frankly by 1933 it didn't matter, these were populations that existed for hundreds of years and were as tied to their land as the countries that ruled over them. Was it Germany's fault that Versailles cut away large amounts of Germans from their country? Was it Germany's fault that the collapse of Austro-Hungary didn't lead to an immediate plebiscite and/or mass exodus? I refuse to believe this is a real argument.

You need to be pragmatic. Borders change all the time, and as long as an actual German homeland exists, they would have infinitely been better off moving back there than being a minority somewhere else. Living somewhere for a hundred years is not an excuse.

Ever heard of magic dirt? Germany only exists because ethnic Germans live together.

Capitalists will always turn on their allies whenever the time is right, nothing is new or surprising there.

Then Germany surrendering would have made that a reality much sooner, rather than later.

Explain why they leveled Königsberg, and why no city, even Leningrad, did not receive a similar treatment.

Because every side back then was ruthless? I never claimed otherwise.

What I don't claim is Britain would waste their bombs on a country that has already surrendered to them. A new German leader would have been installed and ironically enough, they would be sent to fight Russia anyway as part of a new Western Coalition. Missed opportunity if you ask me.

Hitler is ok. (actually he's really cool) by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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Imagine if every country made that claim.

"I don't want to surrender because I might lose!"

"But I'm still going to launch missiles at your cities and torture your POW's".

We would still be stuck in the stone ages.

Hitler is ok. (actually he's really cool) by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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I understand now. However, Italy and Spain also didn't have large diaspora populations scattered across Europe like Germany. Arguably Italy had some, but large amounts of Germans were in foreign lands and, in the case of countries like Poland and Czechoslovakia, were being persecuted. These are not issues Spain ever had to face, so the comparison is not fair.

What are Germans doing in foreign countries, and why not return home if they didn't like being there? If Hitler wanted to unite them, he already had other means of doing so, like Austria voting to unite with Germany. But if you're going to bomb every country because one of your guys happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time then no, that's BS.

If for some reason you believe things would have been easier if the Nazis surrendered earlier, there is really no proof of that.

Churchill at least wanted to go to war with the Soviets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

It makes no sense why would the Allies waste their resources on a country that's already beaten, when they can move on with the next agenda.

If anything, Germany surrendering after 5 years fucked that up. Everyone was exhausted by that point, and the Soviets now had control of several Eastern European countries, including half of Germany.

Hitler is ok. (actually he's really cool) by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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The difference is he kept Germany fighting, even when the odds of any victory was 0. Japan was in the exact same position, where nuclear bombs would have kept falling until they came to the peace table. It would be Tojo's fault if a 3rd or 4th nuke had fallen if he gave orders to keep fighting instead of surrender.

There was also no ethnic balance in Europe otherwise WW2 wouldn't have happened, come on now.

I'm unaware of what ethnic issues existed in Spain or Italy. Spain fought a civil war, but it's not like they had to invade France and the rest of Europe to keep the majority of Spain as Spanish.

Mussolini was definitely Imperialist with his Africa campaigns, but it had less to do with racial conflicts in his own country and more to do with empire building.

Hitler is ok. (actually he's really cool) by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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By 1944, Operation Bagration was a success and Germany had no chance at capturing the Russian oil fields they desperately needed. The Western Allies also manage to liberate France and would have launched a similar invasion into Germany.

Surrender should have been on the table at that point to spare further suffering, and even Germany's military command were dissatisfied at Hitler's failure's to turn the war around, hence why he was nearly assassinated in the July plot.

Hitler is ok. (actually he's really cool) by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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What about Mussolini or Francisco Franco?

Both leaders were Fascists or Fascist adjacent, but their legacy did not actually leave their nations in ruin, or even disrupt the ethnic balance that already existed in Europe.

Even Franco sent his own soldiers to fight the USSR and yet Spain wasn't really punished for this by the end of the war.

Is China trying to create a mixed blasian ruling class in Africa? by DivineKetchup21 in debatealtright

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If it was ethnocentrism, wouldn't they have simply banned them from running?

In the Benin election, the mullato guy received the same share as votes as another Black candidate who lost the election before him (34%).

And with Jean Ping, the results were much more narrow. Losing by only 1.6%.

I can also name another non-Black leader of a Black country. Edward Seaga was Prime Minister of Jamaica from 1980 to 1989.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Seaga

What is your opinion on this video describing how Trump is superior to Reagan? by Republican58 in debatealtright

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Reagan was a product of his time. But so is Trump.

Neither deserve to be worshipped though because the problems they created or refused to solve still exist with us today.

Even going after the Soviet Union in that video highlights the short sightedness of Conservatives. Was the USSR evil? Yes. But America already had all the weapons and Capital it needed to defend themselves from the Red threat. Instead, nothing was being done about the rise of China, who would go on to fuck the world over with their ridiculously cheap labor and petri dishes full of viruses.

And the irony is Conservatives had a great relation with Japan. Should have just sold them a whole bunch of tanks and missiles, and tell Japan to go finish the job. Maybe Hong Kong would have even remained a British colony today had we actually done something about China...

Is China trying to create a mixed blasian ruling class in Africa? by DivineKetchup21 in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What does mixed race have to do with loyalty?

It's usually the opposite. Mixed raced people either create their own cultures/countries (i.e the whole of Latin America breaks from Spain/Portugal), or they lash out against their roots (i.e Black Americans are 25% White on average but obviously despise other White Americans).

If Chinese people want to rule Africa, they can just do it. There really are no laws on that continent restricting race. Hell, even White people can still be voted in power if they want to, as late as 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Scott

Jimmy Dore speaks out against the adverse side effects of the vaccine by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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I'll also offer up one act of compassion and perhaps send_nasty_stuff is trying to cope with the losses of family members from a vaccine reaction. But I still believe he's making a terrible mistake by using his experiences to prolong the suffering of millions of other people around the world by spouting advice that has never benefitted anyone these past 12 months.

He can always go to a vaccine clinic and even ask for literature or talk to the doctors who are trained to administer them. But it's just not fathomable to believe these professionals are paid by the state to genocide their own community, when the same people return to the clinics and even ask for a second injection. His logic should imply millions would have already been dead the first time they got a needle. But miraculously, they somehow survived 28 days with only an extreme minority showing adverse symptoms.

Jimmy Dore speaks out against the adverse side effects of the vaccine by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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It's ok. I remember last year I had an admin of a major forum ban me because I kept linking Rushton's PDF on Race & Intelligence and asked what was wrong with it.

If you truly believe in something, then take those beliefs with you to the very end. I'm one of those people. And so is Putin apparently, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v50APED1Cwc

Jimmy Dore speaks out against the adverse side effects of the vaccine by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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I can't believe I'm actually arguing this. I'll give you credit for vigorously standing by your beliefs, but that's not proof there is any merit behind them (I've read creationist books that are more than 500 pages in length. It was all junk).

Even if the photos are recent there's still no evidence these are covid patients.

You just don't get it. Viruses don't teleport. In a lot of cases, we even know that Covid is asymptomatic or the virus can lay dormant in people's bodies for days and weeks. It's better to assume the person standing next to you is infected and practice physical distancing, as opposed to going around and coughing and sneezing on as much people as possible. I'm also not sure why you think Indians are suppose to be different. No, following social distance is a GLOBAL phenomenon to slow its spread. Before he died, Herman Cain was in the same delusion of not using masks and attending huge gatherings. This mistake proved fatal and he contracted the virus as a result and died.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/politics/herman-cain-dies-coronavirus/index.html

What's the lesson? Without vaccines, it was never safe to walk around other people where your chances of catching the viruses doubles.

Cool. Then why don't we advocate a return to 2 plus year rigorous trials on vaccines? Why don't we bring back liability for vaccine injuries? Safety and the right to 'live' is of paramount importance here. If the survival rate of covid is 99% and the vaccine has over a 1% kill rate then every person that pushed this vaccine has blood on their hands. Including you.

This is medicine we're dealing with. It makes sense to see this research get accelerated because:

  1. There's actually a reward for ending a global pandemic. No one has time to sit around and watch their families get sick and die, or stayed holed up in a house forever.

  2. It's a global effort with governments offering more money for whoever has the best cure. Ironically, a great example of the free market at work. The less efficient vaccines are not being promoted, and it even appears the whole world is mostly interested in getting Pfizer doses because it's proven itself to be both effective with few complications.

There's no proof that even waiting 2 years would have even made a difference. The fact we already have vaccines that are 99% effective against stopping Covid is just playing semantics. Do we really need a 100% effective Covid vaccine in the year 2070, when the virus was already eradicated from previous trials? No, that's beyond moronic and just puts more lives at risk for no other reason but selfishness.

The human immune system is more than equipped to deal with germs and viruses. That's why we don't die when people sneeze in our faces. That's why sneezing in someones face is rude but not a crime because it's not a death sentence.

No, IT IS a crime. Even before Covid, try and spit on an officer and see what their reaction is. It may not be Covid, but someone could be carrying AIDS or some Bubonic plague shit, in which case, I don't want that garbage in my face. If you don't have the self respect to keep your own bodily fluids to yourself, why are you getting next to people at all? Outside of some bizarre fetish, no one asked to have a spit swapping competition when they leave the house.

This is not a fucking zombie apocalypse. This is a fucking corona virus with 99% survival.

The irony of this post is that the worst hit areas do resemble a zombie apocalypse. New York City was never this empty until the virus showed up and forced many people into hiding.

https://www.cntraveler.com/gallery/15-photos-of-new-york-city-during-coronavirus-from-empty-times-square-to-a-deserted-subway

And even when life did try and return, we were met with reports of morgues overflowing with dead patients.

So once again, what is even the goal at this point in trying to pretend nothing is happening? Anyone with working eyes should be able to make the observation that life was impacted when we imported a foreign virus. A perfect solution should have been grounding all airplanes on day one. No one hops borders until China admits control over the situation. Otherwise, sending infected people to every part of this world did not make humans more healthy or resilient. It did not even make us rich. There was literally NO ADVANTAGES OF SENDING SICK PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. It might as well be a zombie apocalypse in everything but the flesh eating brain part.

Again. You know nothing about India do you? Or you do know and you're just getting paid to spread approved stories that are created with the geographical and cultural IQ of the average NPC in mind. Travel to India and lean a little bit about Indian culture and their idea of 'social distancing'. There is no such thing. People stand ass to crotch in the ATM line. Some mandate about some virus panic in the west isn't going to change how billions of Indians live their lives. Indians didn't 'break their vows'. Get out of here with that. Indians are not white people. Indians don't have a marriage with institutions and the state. White people are one of the few people in the world that can abstract to such a level that they change all their habits if a trusted institution citing science they don't understand says so. Unfortunately this trust is being hijacked by people that absolutely hate us and want us killed off or blended into different racial groups. White people are being genocided.

India is far more complex than this. Yes, they have a lot of people. But they were willing to implement curfews, masks, and even indoor restrictions with the threat of jail time for those who broke them. It was never this free for all like you try and paint the country with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdown_in_India#Janata_Curfew

That said, they still fucked up when their President turned a blind eye to the religious festivals and proceeded to downplay how the mass gatherings were going to lead to an infection surge. Again, there's a common theme. Denying Covid literally gets people killed. Upholding physically distancing saved lives.

I've lost my only remaining grandfather and my uncle you fuck head (all within relatively short periods after taking the vaccine) and many other people in my friend and family group that took the vaccine are having side effects. In addition to people at my work.

Well I'm going to need more details, because scientists are keeping everything on record on how these vaccines work, and the results to this day is vaccines are not the leading cause of death in an effort to control a pandemic. Even 30 to 60 days after people got jabs, there is no evidence there's a mass extinction event in the works, because the vaccines already did their job of boosting people's immunity and response to the virus. That's what it's here for, and hospitalization rates continue to plummet instead of seeing the polar opposite.

Even 1 person dying from a vaccine is not proof it doesn't work. 1 person dying from a botched brain surgery is not preferable to just letting millions of people have seizures or heart attacks all the time (which are FAR MORE LETHAL than seeking medical treatment). Medicine will always exist with the purpose of extending life instead of actually making us immortal. Aiming for anything else misses the point of science since the people who make them were never Gods.

Stop mindlessly repeating talking points or I will ban you. This is like the tenth time you said something like this. You are attempting NLP (Neuro Linguistic processing) techniques adopted by marketing companies. It won't work here (and you do a shit job at it anyway). If you keep up the marketing repetition schtick I will ban you for rule three. I've already given you a warning. This is your second warning.

Don't care. What did Putin say a few days ago? "I don't give a damn if social media bans me.". I follow the same philosophy. Someone who denies what is easily the most documented event in human history and downplays actual scientific attempts already comes across as beyond saving. In any debate, it's never my goal to convert someone right away. I prefer to leave evidence that the whole world can read for themselves and make their own conclusions. Especially after seeing first hand how all the Covid denial strategies have caused far more destruction than harm, there's a consensus that life is a better choice than choosing death.

But before I do go, I think I want to highlight this argument that is instantly a contradiction (i.e plenty of Jews eat meat, they literally have slaughter rituals for animals, Hitler himself was a vegetarian. Only meat plants with a confirmed outbreak shut down, and they all re-opened backed up when it was controlled. There's no anti-meat conspiracy when I can still walk to Wal-Mart tomorrow and see see entire fridges full of them).

Meat plants are in the news because Jews have been trying to break peoples meat eating habits for a century.

Edit: I'll give you props though for again, sticking to your beliefs. But the Jew/Meat connection is what finally broke me. I rather debate another subject or do something else with my time.

Jimmy Dore speaks out against the adverse side effects of the vaccine by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even if cremations are going up it's on you to connect that directly to covid which you have not done.

Because we have photos leading right up to the event, of Indians doing what scientists explicitly warned against. Don't gather in large groups.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56770460

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/03/public-health-experts-explain-the-science-behind-social-distancing

And in the 1 in a millionth chance you get the idea that no one can get sick from being together, you have to explain how does any virus get transmitted across borders? Covid can't build a boat, swim across the ocean, and fly into my house. It only spreads when someone who is positive for the disease spreads their droplets to another person.

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/covid-wwksf/2020/12/routes-transmission-covid-19.pdf?la=en

This is rhetoric. The 2 party system in the United States is a Jew created distraction from the reality of what's going on in the world. Every comment you make comes from a place where you revert back to the Jew simulacrum. You never address this or argue against it. You just go back to talking points.

If Jews want me and my family to live, what am I suppose to do? That's the side I'm trying to represent. The desire to live. But if someone is anti-vax or is pro sneezing in other people's faces with no mask, they are fighting for the complete opposite.

Lol. This is one of the most braindead statement I've seen you make. First you again assume we are in a pandemic (we are not; stop using the jew marketing technique of repeating the lie and hoping it sets in the targets brain; that won't work here). Second you assume only vaccines can end pandemics. That's just historically and scientifically wrong. I don't understand how any good faith educated person could make such a dumb statement.

All other options at trying to contain the virus have ended in failure. Using India again, a lot of people broke their vows and decided to get together when it was never recommended to do so. They ended up depleting their entire national supply of oxygen and had to start begging other countries for donations. The "do nothing" approach just pisses off regular folk who don't have the luxury of working from home and putting themselves at risk of getting sick.

Think of every outbreak that happens at School, Hospitals, or even vital infrastructure like meat plants?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/cargill-high-river-outbreak-1.5904444

That's why denial is utter most dangerous. You can't fake a pandemic without forcing businesses to close because they literally represent a health violation. You wouldn't eat beef that was contaminated with mad cow, yet why are we running factories and meat shops with infected workers? These same people usually ride public transit, which makes spreading the virus all the more dangerous to the rest of society.

With Vaccines, it's proven to drop infection rates. Lower numbers = less chances the virus has at spreading. No more virus means re-opening carries no risk.

Again you are trying to steer the conversation to talking points about 'conservatives bad'. We aren't conservatives here. We demonstrate and say this to you almost daily. What does Bolsonoro have to do with the points I brought up two comments up the chain? Your behavior here is highly suspicious.

His viewpoints [on the virus] literally line up with your beliefs. He doesn't have to be far-right to still say stuff like the virus is fake and the government should do nothing to stop it. The results of this unhealthy skepticism has been a disaster for Brazil. If anything, this is another point in a long list of why I'm correct so far. We don't have real world examples of ignoring Covid = countries become more prosperous or do better.

Even in Canada, it's still fresh in my mind when companies in the beginning of 2020, were ok with sending employees directly to the frontlines with no protection. The results were downright lethal.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-long-term-care-nurses-make-shocking-allegations-about-access-to-ppe-during-pandemic-1.4907563

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canada-record-covid-19-deaths-wealthy-countries-cihi-1.5968749

Again, what was denying the virus suppose to prove in these scenarios? Nurses and even old people were slaughtered because they were told to just deal with it, rather than protect themselves. A complete and unnecessary waste of life.

The dissident right does not know exactly why the vaccine was created. We can only make inferences based on how the anti white ruling elites have acted in the past and present. We can look at safety data coming out. We can look at the rushed process. We can look at strange changes to vaccine liability laws. We can look at excessive think tank 'practice' with a pandemic. We can look at the track records of the people promoting the virus (gates in africa?). We can look at the creater of MRNA technology who said he was concerned about suppression of hydroxycholoriquine and ivermectin effectiveness recently on Bret Weinstein's podcast. We can look at other blunders by big pharma in the past. We can look at how irresponsible health officials have been. We can look at the lies with the HIV/AIDs 'pandemic'. We can look at Fauchi's recent emails. And the list goes on of the evidence we can gather that shows us there is something very wrong and very dangerous with this vaccine.

From the beginning, wouldn't an anti-white leadership only hand out vaccines to white people? What kind of drug is this when every race is expected to get it? You said you look at the safety data, but I'm looking at it too. In fact, everyone who is approached for a vaccine are given fact sheets asking if they suffer from allergies or have any pre-existing conditions.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download

That's just one example, but they're not hiding anything. They even give a breakdown of how most people got the vaccine but only an extreme minority felt sick afterwards.

Serious adverse events from Dose 1 through up to 30 days after Dose 2 in ongoing follow-up were reported by 0.4% of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine recipients and by 0.1% of placebo recipients. There were no notable patterns or numerical imbalances between treatment groups for specific categories of serious adverse events that would suggest a causal relationship to Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.

But it's crazy to get hung up on these numbers, in the same way you can still have incidents of people dying from operative surgery.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK333498/

Studies from high-income countries (HICs) confirm high rates of postoperative mortality and high variability in those rates. In the Netherlands, a review of 3.7 million inpatient surgical procedures at 102 hospitals over 15 years reveals a perioperative mortality rate of 1.85 percent (Noordzij and others 2010). A similar inpatient surgical death rate has been noted in the United States, with all-cause postoperative mortality in 2006 estimated to be 1.14 percent to 1.32 percent (Semel and others 2012; Weiser and others 2011). Pearse and others (2012) studied the outcomes of one week of inpatient surgery (excluding cardiac, neurosurgical, radiological, and obstetric procedures) in 498 hospitals in 28 European countries. The in-hospital crude postoperative mortality ranged from 1.2 percent in Iceland to 21.5 percent in Latvia. After adjusting for patient age, the American Society of Anesthesiologists’s score of patient fitness for surgery, the urgency of surgery, the extent of surgery (minor, intermediate, or major), the specialty, and the presence of metastatic disease or cirrhosis, the odds ratios for death following surgery—using the United Kingdom as reference—ranged from a low of 0.44 in Finland to a high of 6.92 in Poland (figure 16.1). Overall, the researchers noted a 4 percent in-hospital crude mortality rate in this sample of more than 46,000 surgical cases, a previously unreported and unexpectedly high number.

No brain surgeon is intentionally trying to kill their patient, they're doing the best they can to save them. A vaccine serves the exact same purpose. It is offering life saving protection against a global virus.

Just calling this medicine dangerous when we don't even have pictures of bodies being piled up the same way Indians are cremating themselves in mass is just being naïve. I assume you must have a cellphone or camera of some sort. It should be very easy to go outside and locate any evidence of people dying having received both their first and second jabs. Otherwise, what's there to actually profess or warn against?

You assume elites are in it for 'capital' and economic benefit. No. They are in it for control. They are in it for long term mastery of the planet and all it's resources and by resources they mean non jews as resources as well. Non jews are not considered human. They are cattle to Jews. They seek to bring the world population to under 500 million in balance with 'nature'. The do not want to govern or lead the planet they want to be Gods who are above the masses of lower beings.

My advice is no genocidal regime in history would put that much faith in medicine that has saved more lives than it could possibly kill. It's the equivalent of saying you can dominate the world by performing CPR and celebrating the people who didn't get resuscitated. There are more constructive means of population control, and it either relies on famines, armies, or weapons of mass destruction.

LGBT discussion (science, morality, history) by Fonched in debatealtright

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Gay people can hide their sexuality. No one has to know you're gay unless you publicly out yourself as one.

That's my stance I've also supported, and I've never been in favor of chasing someone down for not harming anyone.

The Gay Pride Parades and Pride Months are over the top nonsense. Homosexuality can never create children, so celebrating it doesn't really feel liberating. If you're a gay person, just be glad you live in the tolerant West and not the Middle East where they stone you for this stuff...

If anything, we need a Western Civilization Pride Month. Since it's literally the only Civilization that gives them rights.

I have no issue with the Same-Sex marriage. If they want to larp as husband and wife, more power to them. They'll probably end up divorced anyway.

Jimmy Dore speaks out against the adverse side effects of the vaccine by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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Unless you can convince me otherwise that you are here in good faith and not misrepresenting yourself.

I already have evidence this virus is not fake. India as a country demonstrated just how dangerous it was to let people gather together before most people got vaccines.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/india/india-covid-deaths-crematoriums-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

"Before the pandemic, we used to cremate eight to 10 people (daily)," said Jitender Singh Shunty, head of the Seemapuri crematorium in eastern New Delhi. "Now, we are cremating 100 to 120 a day." Demand is so high that Seemapuri crematorium has expanded into its parking lot, where dozens of workers construct new cremation platforms from bricks and mortar. There is so little space and so many bodies that families have to get a ticket and wait in line for their turn.

And the sad thing is, they were actually doing pretty well with handling the virus since they did take it serious from the start. But surprise! This is when Conservative politicians reveal how out of touch they are when it comes to science. President Modi basically stood by and tried to blame other people when Indians were suddenly dying in large numbers.

And all for what? What was the point? Nobody gains from watching dead bodies being burned 24/7.

I can debate you but you have to ask yourself, whose side are you really on? It's like me trying to prove to you 1 + 1 = 2. It's not a conspiracy that a vaccinated population is the only way to overcome this pandemic. Another country right now, Brazil, is also in the same boat with a Conservative politician doing the absolute bare minimum as his country gets devastated by this virus. All denial does at this point is slowly suffocate a population that is already caught working paycheck to paycheck under dangerous conditions.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/brazil-s-bolsonaro-warns-virus-vaccine-can-turn-people-into-crocodiles-1.5237678

Bolsonaro makes the idiotic claim that a vaccine will turn you into a crocodile. Meanwhile, his same country is now recording up to 3,000 people dead EVERY DAY.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-reports-2997-covid-19-deaths-24-hours-health-ministry-2021-06-16/

If the idea of creating vaccines was to kill us all, then it's very very very very very inefficient. Canada, USA, UK, Israel, UAE have all gotten their jabs and they're all ready to re-open safely with the number of hospitalizations going down every single day.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1194939/rate-covid-vaccination-by-county-worldwide/

https://globalnews.ca/news/7935405/coronavirus-canada-june-9-2021/

https://globalnews.ca/news/7950896/israel-covid-restrictions-masks-indoors/

If they die then well, there goes the world economy with it. So the payoff still doesn't make sense.

Jimmy Dore speaks out against the adverse side effects of the vaccine by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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Edit: I'm sorry but I'm not sure what more evidence I can show you that the global pandemic is real. I was there from the beginning, and almost everyone today has cellphones, making it the most documented event in human history. The idea someone could fake a virus on a global scale and get away with it just screams impossible.

In every country, the attempt at downplaying the virus was always met with pictures of dead bodies followed by struggles to keep patients on oxygen. With vaccines, the polar opposite is happening. People have gotten not one, but TWO shots, and have been able to gather together in public spaces safely.

Me and the millions of others who got vaccinated don't want to go back to Trump's World where any infected person can walk up to your face and sneeze on you. It was ridiculous, and created a sense of fear that going to your job could literally get you killed.

Whitey gets a new holiday. Happy Juneteenth yall. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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"… white people having a day off for Juneteenth…. Makes me angry…"

https://twitter.com/ScottieBeam/status/1405164709813362691

Tweet is still up, blue checkmark, with nearly 20,000 likes and 100,000 followers.

She also really hates Abraham Lincoln for some reason.

https://twitter.com/ScottieBeam/status/1405237324309581827

Jimmy Dore speaks out against the adverse side effects of the vaccine by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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There would be no lockdowns without the threat of overloaded hospitals. And that ties directly to my "average idiot" theory.

People kept travelling across borders and attended overcrowded events, it's no surprise why the virus did not go away, but it also mutated as well. India is the perfect example of this. Early on, Indians behaved and kept the spread of the virus low. But then they got cocky and started holding mega religious festivals, which lead to the current disaster happening in their country.

At least with a vaccine, the ordinary citizen can go back to doing their everyday activities but without the risk of killing people. Hence why I'm puzzled with anti-vax. They don't realize they're actually holding back society from opening up, which has already killed millions worldwide...

Jimmy Dore speaks out against the adverse side effects of the vaccine by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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I do.

Ultimately, some responsibility when dealing with the public's health can't be left in the hands of the average idiot. Otherwise, we run into situations were children consuming candy all the time might convince themselves it's healthy, despite it making them fat and diabetic.

Countries like Vietnam, Australia and Taiwan showed that a strong government response is necessary to keep the public safe from an unknown virus. Because once the disease was not taken seriously, people lost their minds and spread the virus to all 4 corners of the Earth.

Jimmy Dore speaks out against the adverse side effects of the vaccine by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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For his part, Clapton, once again, tells of his vaccination story, which he says left him bedridden for two weeks. Exacerbated by his pre-existing medical conditions, such as emphysema and nerve damage, the Astra-Zeneca (AZ) vaccine, he says, gave him many of the well-reported symptoms like chills,

https://www.avclub.com/still-not-tired-of-all-this-eric-clapton-continues-pro-1847097548

The man is 76 years old as well. Yeah, I'm sure it was the vaccine that broke his hands and not his age...

Jimmy Dore speaks out against the adverse side effects of the vaccine by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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I honestly find the anti-vax stuff hilarious. We already had a year of just letting people catch the virus and with no real safeguard against it, and the result was at least 600,000 dead in the U.S. Now vaccines are out with millions of people already receiving their second doses, and the results have been fewer deaths in general, and most Covid cases going back to pre-2020 levels.

If there's suppose to be some mass extinction event, then we're already past the point of no return. Lockdowns are officially being lifted, masks are almost gone. If someone still refuses their free medicine because of some rare side effect then good luck I guess.

Most southerners opposed 1962 civils rights act by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

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Black Americans, on the other hand, overwhelmingly supported the legislation, with 96% approving of the law.

The 4% did their best. It shows that America needed its own Black Hitler back then who could have kept the masses in check.

Do most Americans want to live in a multiracial neighborhood? by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

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There's no consistent answer.

Take a look at this map of New York City.

https://i.imgur.com/dI7XOwf.png

Queens is very segregated, but then the Bronx has a mix of everyone. Or look at Staten Island, which is majority White, but still has traces of Blacks and Hispanics scattered everywhere.

Compared to the 1950s (which had defacto segregation) I think it's fair to say Americans have accepted certain racial overlaps in their neighborhood but other social divisions exist.

Edit: By the way, don't take that map as proof that Liberals are right. It's actually proof that even after scrapping Jim Crow, they've failed to actually make every neighborhood in America diverse.

What do you think about Hitler being a vegetarian? by MisterQ in debatealtright

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but I do know that animal products are very beneficial to athletic performance, strength, fitness, nutrition etc generally.

Supplements exists.

Just like how we have Vitamins or Meal replacements without having to consume food.

Edit: And here are some articles that demonstrates vegetarians can get all the same benefits as meat eaters and is even healthier for the heart.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25369930/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27677708/

The Police are Willing Participants in the NWO by Frenologist in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Half of those Whites are Liberals, or allied to Black causes. It wasn't even Blacks alone who established CHAZ. It was White people policing other White people to segregate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0f8QE6AfmA

The Police are Willing Participants in the NWO by Frenologist in debatealtright

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It's just puts the burden on all the suburb folk. Again, you can look at South Africa as the perfect example of this. Non-stop power outages and people being forced to ration water because they can't plan for droughts. Despite all this, the country hasn't collapsed, but life is miserable.

And if they blow up a Nuclear Power Plant, you can bet that sweet radiation will find its way to your home.

The Police are Willing Participants in the NWO by Frenologist in debatealtright

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Running away puts infrastructure in the hands of the enemy. Like all the nuclear weapons or even Power Plants.

South Africa is proof of why that would end horribly.

The Police are Willing Participants in the NWO by Frenologist in debatealtright

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Without the police, you get the CHAZ experiment. Last year when the police fled Seattle, Leftists swooped in and tried segregating White people. Now imagine that but on a national level.

Edit: And total anarchy makes it perfect for Russia or China to send their army in and claim a piece of the U.S.

What do you think about Hitler being a vegetarian? by MisterQ in debatealtright

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Now I'm not against increased co2 because it is good for the planet

Until it ends up killing all sea life and we witness an eco-system collapse.

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/co2-and-ocean-acidification

https://news.mongabay.com/2019/05/climate-change-is-causing-marine-species-to-disappear-from-their-habitat-twice-as-fast-as-land-animals/

Reducing African and Asian population by 80% would reduce carbon footprints more than if the entire west went vegan. This is simply a fact.

Ideally, all options need to be considered. The planet is almost locked for a 3 degree temperature increase and we're running out of time to prevent it from getting worse.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-09/g-7-stock-markets-imply-catastrophic-global-warming-of-3-c

There's just no "choosing". We should have been acting since the 1960s but Politicians continue to do very little about protecting the environment.

What do you think about Hitler being a vegetarian? by MisterQ in debatealtright

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Actually that's false. Most people in the third world don't have the same expensive luxuries like those living in the first. A Somali family living together in an unpowered hut is not causing more harm to the environment than Joe who gets in his gas guzzling SUV to pickup mail outside his house.

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions

This is actually an argument for why third world immigration is bad. A Somali family who moves to the West will end up running electricity 24/7 to power their air conditioning or heating in winter time when they originally never had such luxury in their home country.

What do you think about Hitler being a vegetarian? by MisterQ in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Every organism has a desire to live. Trashing your own planet to "own" the Africans is just edgy teenager think.

Nobody says we can't create a better world [politically] when we solve the environment question. If anything, you're ignoring all the other scientific revolutions that can still exist. Gene editing, Space Race, Artificial Intelligence etc all can help make future societies sustainable. There's always potential for life to go on but it requires not killing ourselves in an unnecessary eco-apocalypse.

What do you think about Hitler being a vegetarian? by MisterQ in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So do you despise being alive right now?

It's not a zero sum game where saving Earth must also mean politics ceases to exist. Even Hitler would have made the same observation.
If a population consumes more than what a continent can handle environmentally, it would not be tolerated by anyone in the future.

What do you think about Hitler being a vegetarian? by MisterQ in debatealtright

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Unironically, it was very visionary and true to the principles of respecting Earth.

As much as I love meat, I recognize there's a huge environmental impact that overconsumption brings. Especially after reading an article on Brazil's deforestation is being fueled by China's rising demands for more Cattle to be grown there.

https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/china-is-increasing-imports-of-brazilian-beef-and-the-amazon-rainforest-is-paying-the-price-for-it/

If people have to be vegan in the future so our planet doesn't collapse, so be it.

Interesting Pinned Comment from Steve Kirsh (entrepreneur). Steve was recently on Bret Weinstein's Dark Horse podcast. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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Ok. I got it. You want non anecdotal evidence. That's cool. Here's a data rich post that goes through plenty of evidence that this vaccine is very dangerous. I'm sure it won't change your mind though. https://trialsitenews.com/should-you-get-vaccinated/

Your website claims at least 6,000 people died from the vaccine (as of May 25th, 2021). According to the worldwide vaccination tracker, 2.2 Billion doses have been given and 480 Million have received their dual injections.

Meanwhile, the actual Covid-19 virus has killed upwards 3.79 Million people. I'm sorry, but there's no scenario where the vaccine is more deadly than the virus going around.

We already know that even one jab can be incredibly dangerous but this information is not being reported properly to the vaers system and the vaers system is not easily accessible to the public.

The point of vaccination is to reduce infection and severity of the virus. That is already the case, especially in the face of new variants and mutations. By slowing the spread of Covid worldwide, the virus will have been eliminated.

Interesting Pinned Comment from Steve Kirsh (entrepreneur). Steve was recently on Bret Weinstein's Dark Horse podcast. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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Context? Showing me a video of an exhausted athlete falling is not proof of a vaccine's doing. If it was discovered the man drank Orange Juice before playing, is that now proof of a mass OJ conspiracy?

Also why would we want to report on vaccine deaths? You're assuming we want to let the public know about the mass depopulation event planned by elites? Why do that? This fucking planet has WAY to many people. Getting under 500 million sounds like a totally laudable goal to me.

It doesn't make sense to depopulate people if receiving 2 jabs of the vaccine doesn't even kill you. Covid, just like the Flu, will most likely get new vaccines every year. So what happens when a person has received 10 jabs and is still very healthy?

Interesting Pinned Comment from Steve Kirsh (entrepreneur). Steve was recently on Bret Weinstein's Dark Horse podcast. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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There is NO transparency: the government is NOT telling us the actual # of deaths.

So let me get this straight. Vaccine clinics are everywhere yet not one anti-vaxxer has gotten the idea to stand outside for a day and film people "dying" from being vaccinated?

Also, what about the people who received their two doses? How did these people survive long enough to get a second jab if the first one didn't just kill them?

A much better idea at debunking the Far-Left/Multiculturalism. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Deep down, most people know the real truth about intelligence and genes. Just look at the current President right now. Joe Biden infamously said that "poor kids are just as smart as white kids". That's not something that slips out of his mouth by accident. He's been alive for 70+ years and it's always been a reoccurring thought, even up to his final presidential campaign.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-poor-kids-are-just-bright-just-talented-white-n1040686

He was never even "cancelled" for that statement, yet Biden will still pass laws meant to censor anyone who speak of the same research he just spouted.

It's an amazingly bizarre contradiction, but it's just something we have to live with until we have our own modern day Scopes Monkey Trial. The teaching of Evolutionary Theory underwent the same social taboo and persecutions, until one day, there was far too much evidence to actually criminalize it anymore. The same will hold true with Race Science.

Perhaps the first company that makes it possible to commercially edit your own genes, will serve that purpose in lifting the stigma.

White Man lashes out on Fox News. Realizes his race is being attacked everywhere... by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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If the Man in the video represents your average Conservative, I think it demonstrates that the Right is waking up and realize that "being nice" isn't working anymore.

Which is a good thing. It means lines are finally being drawn and anything the Right does at this point could be treated as self defense because it's now the Left teaching children in schools that "White people are born evil".

That's not something a lot of people are going to be comfortable with. They have to stop this brainwashing before it seriously turns into white replacement or genocide.

White Man lashes out on Fox News. Realizes his race is being attacked everywhere... by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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What other race do you have in mind? Chinese?

He's clearly White.

Argentine president: "Mexicans came from Indians, Brazilians came from the jungle. But we Argentines came from boats, boats that sailed from Europe. That is how we built our society". by lokke767 in debatealtright

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https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0034695

A set of 99 autosomal ancestry informative markers (AIMs) was genotyped in a sample of 441 Argentine individuals to estimate genetic ancestry. We used non-parametric tests to evaluate statistical significance. The average ancestry for the Argentine sample overall was 65% European (95%CI: 63–68%), 31% Indigenous American (28–33%) and 4% African (3–4%).

They're mutts.

Argentine president: "Mexicans came from Indians, Brazilians came from the jungle. But we Argentines came from boats, boats that sailed from Europe. That is how we built our society". by lokke767 in debatealtright

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Is he really the one to talk? Argentina has some of the worst inflation in all of South America.

https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/economy/argentina-cant-overcome-its-chronic-inflation-issue.phtml

Argentina was great in the past, but they're clearly struggling today.

Edit: Brazil also has a ton of boat immigrants from Europe. It was an integral part of their history up until the 1960s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_immigration_to_Brazil

That's also not discounting their first Monarch/Emperor was of direct Portuguese descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_I_of_Brazil

A much better idea at debunking the Far-Left/Multiculturalism. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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all you do is shift the conversation from disparities in employment to disparities in educational attainment, but without addressing why the new disparities exist. Ultimately you are trying to explain why Biological Category A has different outcomes than Biological Category B, but without invoking biology. I don't see why you expect to succeed.

What I tend to find is that the Left is willing to put education on a pedestal to explain certain life outcomes while ignoring any biological components that also form this logic. But that's also what makes debating this subject more fun. They can believe that all races/skin colors are the same, but they don't treat all high school or university degrees as equal.

I'm not saying your point of view is wrong by the way. It would definitely be far more easier and less time consuming to point out that higher levels of smartness (biological) is responsible for higher levels of education. I just realize however, that the society we live in has made touching any subject that deals with intelligence and genes to be completely taboo. Even if I showed up with a long list of sources on this subject, (like what Jared Taylor has done 10 years ago and he still got crucified for it https://www.bitchute.com/video/JVF1AkO4nQqI/), the topic will always shift back to arguing "education matters more!".

Huge amounts of qualified blacks, who might not exist for several reasons.

Using the USA as a example, Black Americans are already competing against more educated immigrants. Some of which already have the same skin color but clearly make more money like the Nigerians. If they ask for qualified blacks, clearly show the difference between these ghetto people vs the ones who did have to work for their degrees.

That said, I know what's coming next. The Left will just say "Ghetto people are oppressed and deserve better jobs". In which case, I believe this is where we finally have to draw the line and start pointing out poor classes will exist in every society and not everybody can be super rich or super smart in life. Not even racism will work as a defense here, because White people and Asians have their own poor underclass who will never be as successful as the people born into wealth.

Why not just lead with this fact?

I'll be honest and say it requires teaching them history. In a conversation that might only last 2 minutes at max, trying to explain the entire history of Brazil having a large slave population, whereas today only 7% of the population is actually pure African, might just bore Lefties or leave them uninterested in the topic as a whole.

But what might be more relevant and an effective strategy is comparing several countries who are like Brazil, and making observations of what cultural patterns exist. It's no secret that many European countries cluster together and do well in education. Same can be said about East Asian societies as well. Since Brazil is a mixed race society, it clearly represents the best and worst worlds of combining African culture with that of Europeans & Asians.

Annnnnnnnnnd, if they're still interested in this subject, now would be the best time to show them Brazil's ethnic composition vs level of development. The Brazilian states with the highest amounts of European or Asian admixture correlates heavily to higher standards of living.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/hj1g97/brazil_ethnic_composition_vs_gdp_per_capita/

I suspect that If blacks suddenly stopped acting and/or being low-IQ, more people would be more distraught over that shortage because right now they understand, even if only intuitively and are unwilling to verbalize it, that the reason for the "shortage" now is that blacks tend to be lower-IQ.

Yup, they would be shocked by this revelation. Unfortunately, the same blind obedience to diversity & multiculturalism had also played a big part in censoring this information so they still deserve some blame for ironically, holding back Black people when they most needed their help.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-school-science-project-that-connected-race-and-iq-is-pulled-after-complaints

Regardless, I would consider it a win if the racial IQ taboo is finally shattered. Nothing in life was ever easy and arguably, we live in much better times where knowledge can at least be preserved and spread over the internet. Everyone even has a cellphone in their pocket, so bringing up race and education data only takes 5 seconds to search, as opposed the olden days of having to invite someone to go to the library and borrow a book...

A much better idea at debunking the Far-Left/Multiculturalism. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Of course we don't need it; to the leftist the question is why we don't have it already. Sure, by saying "it's their culture/preference" you avoid talking about biology, but you also invite the leftist to respond "With enough social engineering we can one day fix the problem indicated by this inequality".

I can answer this with the following paragraph. The inequality the Left complains about is less racial in nature, but more educational. Any black immigrant with a masters degree can come to the West and get a high profile job compared to Native born blacks. So it's not like the gap can be explained because skin color is getting rejected. They need proof however, that all Black Americans have these magical degrees and it's only because of "racism" why this talent pool is in huge supply but with low demand. But by looking at SAT Scores and other educational benchmarks, it's a fact that Black Americans are not even the most highly educated groups in the U.S. So there's no racism when they haven't passed the entry level requirements like Asians or other Black immigrants have.

It has nothing to do with the number of possible professions. The "argument" is that if all groups were equally smart/driven/capable there would naturally be proportional representation in every field, and since we don't have that there must be something unnatural that needs to be fixed.

To be honest, proportional representation can only work if the Left actually had the numbers that say "Huge amounts of Blacks applied for "x" job, but the vast majority still got rejected".

But they never provided the first proof of where this over supply of educated minorities came from. The only raw example that comes close, are actual immigrants who arrive with degrees. But naturally, these people still find work in their fields and are rewarded for it. Nigerian American incomes are clearly double that of Native born Black Americans for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income#Detailed_ancestry

So I don't believe the Left has any moral standing on this subject. The evidence is proportional to what educational level exists, rather than population. To get more Black born Americans into these jobs, they have to reproduce data that says they do have the skills but are somehow being rejected by skin color. Yet their own SAT Scores show that gaps exist and thus the reason for inequality in "smarter" professions.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-highlight-inequality-and-hinder-upward-mobility/

Show them the very end of this table where Asians outclass every group. It would be bizarre why both Black & Whites would have the same representation as another group that's clearly more educated then both of them.

Wants to, yes, but also can.

See above. If they only took in educated immigrants or enforced IQ standards at every level of society, then proportional representation might look realistic, since all the stupid ones would be forced to marry up to move ahead in life instead of staying where they are and breeding more low IQ kids. But that's a subject that would force them to admit Eugenics was right all along, heh. But I would take that chance to insert it in the debate. The country of Brazil used that for their own black population, and today, it's not complete Africa tier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_whitening

If Black Americans were also forced to give up their low IQ culture, then no one would whine about their lack of doctors or scientists.

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By the way, it's important to realize Democrats did not support gay marriage either until 2004. And even then, there was a slight dip for the few months before it became the majority belief again.

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White people don't need a book to tell them they are "children". That actually sounds more insulting.

At least a dog can defend themselves.

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Stonetoss hinted as much.

http://stonetoss.com/comic/mud-slinging/

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Yeah, then maybe Jesus shouldn't have came to Earth at all. God could have for example, put Europeans on their own separate planet and build a giant wall around it. Yet the all powerful being lacked such foresight...

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And then 5 seconds later, he accepts the Gentile's request and heals her daughter.

https://www.gotquestions.org/lost-sheep-Israel.html

I could do this all day, but the bible is equality propaganda.

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Jesus only came for the lost tribes of israel. He did not come for the fake jews or non israelites.

Did we read the same bible?

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." ~ John 3:16

Again, Jesus was the first proto-SJW. His religion is all about equality. It's incompatible with preserving culture.

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So was Aristotle a Christian? What about Boudica? Or Hannibal?

Europeans are European. It's like trying to argue that an Atheist or Pagan would make someone less "White". Lol, no. Genes and religion don't mix. And Europe was clearly doing fine before there was an even a man named Jesus.

Christianity is nothing like what we are being taught in school.

"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." ~Galatians 3:28

Jesus was literally the first SJW, and now his religion has corrupted the world.

Do you find it odd that no country bans race-mixing [today]? And diversity as a whole is still legal? by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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If any state broke from the norm there would be bombings, foreign backed insurgencies, financial embargoes, all of which prevent a functioning society from existing.

That was true for every side back then. Capitalism, Communism, even Islam. Iran was a pariah after they overthrew the Shah, and later found themselves at war with Iraq for 8 years, but they eventually survived.

Meanwhile, there where crypto-fascist countries who never got bombed or overthrown. Franco Spain & Nationalist Portugal lasted a long time after the Second World War. They only surrendering when the leader died from old age, or when the military budget grew too expensive and cutbacks were made.

Rhodesia however, was always screwed. They were completely landlocked and had to depend on Portugal to even get any supplies from overseas. South Africa however, at least tried to form a working alliance with other countries. Like Israel, ironically enough.

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Why can't Europeans just be Europeans, instead of some lame Middle Eastern cult? By the time Christianity entered the picture, Europe was already doing its own thing. Now it's because of Christianity why you see so many Whites flying gay flags and wanting to "save" the refugees from eternal hellfire.

I personally don't care if the Jews want to larp as some desert tribe from 1000 years ago. They can practice their beliefs in Israel, while the rest of Europe just ignores them.

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I'm shocked that even Germany is growing more and more skeptical by the day.

Not as shocking when you remember what the GDR use to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany%E2%80%93Israel_relations#Reparations

The first article in Neues Deutschland that responded to the reparations agreement was not published until two months later, three days after excerpts of the indictment in the Slansky trial were printed. The article spoke of "a deal between powerful West German and Israeli capitalists" under the headline "Reparations- For Whom?". Leo Zuckermann participated in several talks with the Israeli consul to West Germany, Dr. Eliyahu Livne. In December 1952 he escaped to West Berlin, declaring that he was about to be arrested on the grounds of a "Zionist conspiracy". After Stalin died in March 1953, Israel hoped to negotiate reparations agreement with the East German government but the latter refused so.[11]

East. Germany Ran Antisemitic Campaign in West in ’60s

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/left/eastgermany/nazis1.html

Records of the Stasi and East Germany’s Politburo reveal that the Communist government used its agents in the West to enlist – often unwittingly – Western leftist groups, Jews, intellectuals and vestigial Nazi sympathizers in a campaign designed to persuade Washington, London and other Western power centers that West Germany remained a hotbed of racism and revanchism. In 1961, as the trial of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann was getting underway in Israel, the East German Politburo ordered a secret campaign to convince the world that “revanchism and racial hate have once again found a place in West Germany.” The Stasi arranged for East German Jews and intellectuals to send telegrams and hold press conferences in an effort to draw President John F. Kennedy’s attention to a wave of anti-Jewish incidents in West Germany.

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Just so you're not tempted to make too much of this fact, I'll point out that a) conservatives no longer do that, b) the pool of such immigrants is small compared to the third world in general, and c) obviously that policy did not itself create a demographic crisis.

It's much harder to pull off today just because actual Communist states have fallen since the 90s but there are still rare examples. Like Boris Johnson wants to grant 3 million citizenship to people fleeing from Hong Kong to come to the UK.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53246899

Though I want argue it wont create a demographic crisis, with maybe the exception of what President Reagan did to California with his amensty act.

"All immigrants are just like us in every way, so any cap would be arbitrary and therefore wrong."

Then it's probably time to start weighing out the actual costs of supporting an entire nation, and the fact they still live in sub-par conditions when brought to the West. For example, one survey done in Canada found that 40% of all Toronto homeless shelters were made up of asylum claimants.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/street-needs-assessment-2018-1.4925418

If they ask them to move them into proper housing, remind them there is also a major housing shortage. Funny story, I just saw this article posted today. The same Rich Millennials living in Toronto can't afford a home either, and they're force to live in a parking garage or locker.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/06/08/im-a-millennial-with-a-good-income-in-torontos-housing-market-all-i-can-afford-is-a-parking-space-or-storage-locker.html

As for the actual costs of supporting refugees, there's a good article published on Syrians that goes into great detail. Only 5 ~ 24% of all Syrian males are actually employed. 50% can't speak the official language. They get $200 a month from the government, and $3,000 a month from local churches.

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/how-syrian-refugees-to-canada-have-fared-since-2015/

So while there are some hard working success stories, the majority of these guys take out more money than they actually give back to the country. The situation is made even worse with Covid. If these people end up sick, the government now has to pay for them and their entire family while they recover in a hospital. These same hospital rooms are now deprived from actual citizens of the country who now face the risk of dying in the hallway.

Funny how neither of these facts has gone very far in undermining support for immigration from the left.

True, but I think it shows the media is more afraid of letting this information out, rather than the fact there is substance to the idea that mass immigration = undermines the environment. David Suzuki wasn't afraid to point this out in 2013, even before cancel culture tried to silence anyone who spoke ill of diversity. It's now about presenting his facts to the mainstream, especially anytime climate initiatives are spoken by politicians. For example, if Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Cortex start harping on about how fast climate change is happening, explain to them how does importing more refugees actually aim at deaccelerating it?

These are good examples to make the point, but they're not the ones about which leftists really care. They're not brainpower jobs, you see.

Intelligence is the hardest thing to argue with the Left, because they assume it's all "made up" or "subjective". Otherwise, I would just bring up the SAT Score ranking by race to explain any brainpower gap. At least by saying "culture/preference" it's an insensitive way of saying we don't need equality for every job. If Asians don't wish to apply for basketball because sports is not their thing, then no one should get offended when we point that figure out. If there aren't a lot of Blacks applying for STEM jobs, then perhaps the majority just don't care for it either. If the Left wants to argue they want to STEM 100% black, they need to show some kind of mass participation rates in school.

Considering how many professions are out there, I actually think it's complete lunacy there is even an argument that every job needs representation. For example, just going off this U.S labor survey, there are jobs that don't even require much skill that still have more Blacks employed compared to Asians and Hispanics. Bus Drivers, Janitors, Cement mixers.

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

By the way, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing if more black people do want to become computer scientists or doctors. The Left just needs to be less dishonest by thinking EVERYONE wants to do those jobs instead of the fact, many people are already comfortable doing the thousands others that exist. It's the same with White people. Many of them are Scientists, but there are plenty of White roofers too. We don't need to get rid of Roofing jobs to satisfy making everyone a Scientist.

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Which first must not be comprised predominantly of liberals and those who go along with them.

Liberals exist in every country, just based on the fact humans are always divided on how we should move forward on certain topics, as opposed to staying the same. And hell, I already mentioned that 30 years Conservatives where using the exact same tactic when it came to absorbing anti-communist refugees and the Left-wing obviously opposing that.

So what changes today? Just enforce standards for both sides. Make it so immigration is no longer that hot button issue that both sides use to advance their agenda. Doing what Japan did and coming to an agreement that immigration/refugee levels need to be capped is the ideal solution, and if people try and overturn this, offer alternate solutions to helping these foreigners out. Again, Japan also sends massive amounts of foreign aid as compensation for not just importing these people. I would rather redirect resources that would pay normally pay for refugees to be housed somewhere better in their home countries instead.

It is possible that nearly an entire country will have a "real" asylum claim due to civil war, failure of agriculture due to climate change, or some other widespread catastrophe. Leaving aside the question of what counts as a "real" claim, ultimately raw numbers are the problem so you may have to subordinate your compassion to pragmatism anyway.

If an entire country is considered failure status than unfortunately, it probably requires foreign intervention/occupation. If we lived in a perfect world, this is exactly what the United Nations should have been used for but I guess the USA will have to do for now. But I still disagree that there is a moral argument for transferring an entire nation's population into the next one. Immediately, I would bring up housing shortages and unemployment as prime reasons why this can't be allowed, even under humanitarian pressure. Even in the richest countries, it's not like everyone actually lives in a Mansion. There are still many working class people forced to rent out a garage or hell, even live in their cars just to survive. Bringing millions of refugees who will just suffer in the same conditions as the poorest of the poor while competing against them for the same jobs is an untenable position.

Pointing out this hypocrisy would change the minds of some people who are on the losing end of the situation. But since the left benefits from third-world immigration I don't see why a left-winger would give up an essentially secure victory just to avoid being called a hypocrite. We'll see - I encourage you to try arguing this way with an actual leftist.

Since Leftists believe in climate change/environmentalism, I would actually prefer to shift the argument in that direction. After all, bringing millions of third world refugees to the 1st is actually terrible for the environment. They're going to end up driving cars or turning on heating to survive the winter. So it's true they benefit politically from bringing in huge waves of third world refugees, but it also contradicts their own eco-friendly agendas unless they find a way to substitute fossil fuels this century.

Ironically, there was a famous Eco-Activist who pointed this out long before I did. But just as expected, the Left are crazy enough to downplay his concerns because they care more about rising profits from immigration than the actual health of the planet. But time will prove them wrong eventually...

https://www.canadianbusiness.com/blogs-and-comment/david-suzukis-immigration-stance-isnt-xenophobic-but-heres-why-its-wrong/

Yes, the parallel-society approach you describe would avoid a lot of problems. But your leftist opponent will be committed to a multiracial society and will ask you why you are not, given that it "should" be possible because all groups are equal. I don't see that you have an answer that he would accept.

The Left will always support segregation when its convenient. Like how they support "safe spaces" in schools, or giving only black people "reparations'" money. Compared to the Right, I would actually say they're ideologically closer to just creating these separate racial communities. But like you said, they're also fervent on trying to make everything multiracial at the same time. So what's the solution? Keep showing them studies and research that demonstrate racial separatism is much more healthy than actual diversity. Maybe even support the Left on their hypocritical projects that give non-whites their own "safe space". There is a little bit of a success story from this. If you look at Canada, Toronto and Vancouver basically act like a magnet for Chinese and Indian immigrants, leaving the rest of the country in the hands of actual White people. If the country where to ever split one day, it would be very easy to separate the whites and the non-whites just because the racial lines have already been drawn.

They will say that they do, and that merit is equally distributed among all groups so the end result of your meritocracy should be the same as their system.

I can see them running into great trouble explaining why do jobs like Garbage Collection sway heavily towards Men, or why does Nursing have a huge bias towards females. If after implementing affirmative action they still can't come up with a perfect gender balance, then eventually they'll be forced to admit that genetics might be a reason these jobs can't be equal.

Similarly, I would move the argument to sports. Explain to them how will they make basketball or football more diverse instead of being black dominated. If affirmative action also fails here, then perhaps now its time to explain that races have different "preferences" or cultures that cannot be filled using pure force.

So corporations will use other people's zeal as a shield while they make bank and acquire power. I'm not sure what about this is supposed to be surprising. To fix this problem would require someone who can stand up to these corporations and will bring them to heel. Getting someone like that into a position to do it, through an electoral wall of sappy liberals, is quite the challenge.

If immigration and diversity where never profitable, they would drop both subjects like a hot rock. It's sad but true. Capitalism was always built on the exploitation of others. You're correct that we do need someone in political power to stand up to them. But I'll also look at the bigger picture. These corporations are only powerful because we as a society let them flourish. If everybody on planet earth suddenly decided to boycott them, then these corporations would be rendered instantly worthless. Not even their money would be able to save them. Society could come together and ban them from doing business unless they changed their ways. That's what I think is needed in the future if we really wish to stop multiculturalism. It needs to be viewed as poison and toxic just like how developing nuclear weapons makes everyone in the world concerned and demand action.

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The whole argument of racial trauma presupposes the existence of a white supremacist state.

Maybe the Left thinks that way, but I would like to flip this idea on its head and make the concept universal.

For example, I don't think it's a complete lie to say that exposing people to certain media can have a psychological effect on them. This is already proven with other studies like Women's anorexia, or showing children professional wrestling videos can raise aggression levels.

So when it comes to "racial trauma", it's very candid of this organization to leave out zero mentions of White people feeling fatigue or being oppressed. Did they think no one would ever try this experiment out and later come back to refute them with it? And once that information is out, they can either try their best to suppress it, or become forced to admit they were wrong and make changes to their article that accepts White people are being physically harmed as well. The later is how science normally works. New evidence displaces the old.

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I also encourage you to look at their staff page who make up this website.

https://mhanational.org/mha-staff

Plenty of Whites are still in control of these organizations, and yet they support or publish articles that do nothing but speed up white replacement. So there's clearly an internal struggle going on where Whites are fighting against their own interests.

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All well and good, if there's even a homogenous society to preserve at that point.

Plenty of them still exist so we aren't at a dead end yet. That said, it certainly requires action and activism in this current timeline to stop it from getting worse. The best example I've seen so far was recently in England, where protestors are now going to airports and demanding an end to the "invasion". By even blocking the airstrips as well.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/dover-traffic-english-england-andrew-matthews-b937926.html

Obviously they're small, but that's how all movements start off. They just need to refuse to back down and keep the pressure going.

Who's going to disallow that? Liberals?

I would assume society and the courts. For example, sign into law actual refugee limits like what Japan does.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-japan-accepts-so-few-refugees-2018-4

Compassion still exists for those with real asylum claims, but attempts at transferring an entire nation's population into your borders (because of demographic replacement) would be regarded as a crime.

Again, who is going to make sure it is really "temporary"? Liberals? The bottom line here is that everything you say is perfectly reasonable from a pragmatic viewpoint, but liberals are not pragmatic when it comes to huddled masses and they're currently the ones running the show.

If you look at both Left & Right, there is a common theme when it comes to immigration. For example, I don't recall Republicans having an issue with the Cuban and Vietnamese boat people when they showed up at America's shores. This is because they aimed at using them for their own political gains (i.e supporting anti-communism). Similarly, the Left knows that mass migration from the third world is also their weapon to move ahead in politics, because non-white = oppressed to them and stuff.

So the real conclusion to stopping immigration is to point out the hypocrisy of it. And pushing for laws meant to stop chain migration of families while also trying to improve the lives of those living in foreign countries is the only way to stop turning immigrants into political pawns.

I don't want that either. I think, though, you will find it difficult to actually argue this way in practice because your opponent will at some point ask you what the "proper" number of groups A, B, and C should be in whatever job. According to them, anything other than representation in line with their fractions of the overall population indicates "systemic racism" that must be purged. What would you say to get them to stop thinking that way?

They can have representation, but they need to start making separate businesses and schools that cater to non-whites instead. Many people don't realize this but when Jim Crow ended, Black people were in control of many banks, movie theaters, restaurants etc. When diversity kicked in, White people moved to these neighborhoods and bought up all these businesses. So what the Left is arguing is they want non-whites to be in control of their own companies again, but they're doing it in reverse. Don't let a White own bank turn 100% black. Help Blacks to form a new bank instead. Same with Asians. They already have their own schools, neighborhoods, and even police officers. That's their representation.

Maybe the end goal of creating these racially distinct neighborhoods is they all reach the same conclusion and just become separate nations.

I don't think they would aim for all white people to end up that way.

The logical conclusion from mass immigration and diversity is that the majority group (Whites) are not going to get any affirmative action to help them. So they lose their jobs, but they also have to fight 2x as hard to get the same positions back. Or in other cases like California, they already have diversity laws that say stuff like "all businesses MUST have 50% Women in power". But Men are just going to stop applying to these places because they know the system doesn't favor seeing them advance or be in control.

So it's time to pressure Liberals on whether they actually believe in meritocracy or not.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I'm sure some of the left are motivated by money, but white leftists in particular seem to me to be driven by basically religious zeal.

We live in a Capitalist society where increasing profits is always necessary for survival. This is true for both Left & Right. And while there may be those driven to white replacement because of religious zeal, the ones without much money are only forced to rant on internet blogs as opposed to doing any real damage.

Want a great example? Companies like Microsoft, Amazon & Walmart do a ton more damage than some random Communist group, because they actually push for policies that let them hoard millions of illegal immigrants while also not having to pay any taxes. They also use this money to buy off politicians that push this agenda and they can also threaten them by being banned from social media. You only have to look at Trump getting banned from Twitter this year to see that multibillion corporations hold more power over the President, and not vice versa.

It will surprise you but other countries have caught onto this paradox. The President of Nigeria had been censored by Twitter, so he responded by just booting Twitter from his country instead.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-57368535

And that's an African country. The West needs to learn the same thing from them.

Breaking News: U.S Government Finds No Evidence of Alien UFOs, but can't explain it either. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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There was a ton of criticism of Israel just a week or two ago, same time this UFO shit came out

No, the UFO's videos were being discussed since 2017. Then again in 2019, 2020 and now 2021.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1THwiaXZfzA

It overlaps with the Israel/Palestine stuff but that's not proof that it came about as a result of them. Did you think people in 2004 recorded the videos and believed "Israel will go to war in 2021 so lets only start talking about it then"?

Then why are they "leaking" them now?

The videos were leaked long before and they [the government] still had to go through approval to declassify them.

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Israel & Hamas signed a ceasefire last month whereas the UFO investigation was always scheduled for June, so that doesn't add up. Since the UFO videos spanned a decade, it's not like it relies on a specific date either. The government still has the full HD versions that could always be leaked.

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And the media comes in many forms. Like Saidit is still considered media, and so is Breitbart. But at the end of the day, it's still most likely evidence that's responsible for what people believe in.

It's why this thread exists. I acknowledge that the Left clearly has evidence or "arguments" that they insert into mass media platforms that defend diversity. But like all things in science, nothing is exempt from criticism or scrutiny. Especially as many things throughout history we thought was "true" were later considered outdated and thus discredited. Prior to 2006, anyone who considered Pluto a Planet wasn't necessarily an asshole. This was a widespread belief everywhere based on previous findings, until a new consensus was reached that decided "Pluto should be classified as something else".

I guess the hard part is putting up with censorship that comes with a lot mass media platforms who will reject evidence even if it's proven to be true. But I don't consider this to be end, nor a unique example. In fact, I believe censorship has always existed, and yet human societies still manage to change and adapt to new evidence all the time.

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Not only that, but during WW2, pilots from ALL sides of the war were claiming to see things in the sky that shouldn't actually be there.

So if there was some government BS, then how did both the Japanese and Germans confirm the same thing the Allies were seeing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter#History

Sightings occurred in November 1944, when pilots flying over Western Europe by night reported seeing fast-moving round glowing objects following their aircraft. The objects were variously described as fiery, and glowing red, white, or orange. Some pilots described them as resembling Christmas-tree lights and reported that they seemed to toy with the aircraft, making wild turns before simply vanishing. Pilots and aircrew reported that the objects flew formation with their aircraft and behaved as if they were under intelligent control, but never displayed hostile behavior. However, they could not be outmaneuvered or shot down. The phenomenon was so widespread that the lights earned a name – in the European Theater of Operations they were often called "Kraut fireballs", but for the most part called "foo fighters". The military took the sightings seriously, suspecting that the mysterious sightings might be secret German weapons, but further investigation revealed that German and Japanese pilots had reported similar sightings.[9]

And notice the description of the UFO's are consistent with all the footage we have so far. Fast moving colored objects that can vanish and then suddenly reappear at anytime.

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The media and popular culture determines mostly everything that people believe.

Actually I disagree. Evidence does.

The media could start printing tomorrow that the Earth is flat. But if most people already educated on this subject know the Earth is round, why would they suddenly change their belief?

It's why it's even possible to change an individual's belief. If you show someone irrefutable evidence of white demographic change, they can make up excuses for it or just pretend to shrug it off. But they can't actually dismiss facts for being fake.

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Who's going to make sure they eventually go back? Liberals? Witness how the "Temporary" Protected Status for Haitians fleeing the 2010 earthquake there is still ongoing.

If they reach a point where even they acknowledge they can't look after the entirety of Somalia, then that's already huge progress on preserving a homogenous society. As for ensuring how do they eventually go back? When refugees realize they can't bring their extended families with them, they would have to make a choice of either abandoning their old lifestyle and assimilating, or going back and reuniting with their own people at home. This shouldn't even require liberal intervention, it should be the natural result of living in a foreign country that only offers temporary assistance.

Speaking of defining terms, I was very clear about what I mean by the "equality" in which leftists believe. It has nothing to do with independence of countries and their ability to look after their peoples; it has everything to do with the observed difference in group outcomes.

Then speaking broadly, inequality already exists everywhere. All you can do is point to the best examples within each group and have each race follow that instead. For example, it may not be apparent to us but even in Africa, a country like Botswana is considered years ahead of another African country like Liberia. Even those island Caribbean countries like Jamaica or Barbados have economies that are closer to the lower end of Europe than to nations that are caught up in Civil War (like Ukraine or Syria). Whether or not they match the standards of 1st world Europe is not your problem, but they don't also have to chase after the bottom either.

The reason you think you can avoid talking about race by talking about how "the world would be a better place if every nation was successful" is because that pollyanna vision has nothing whatsoever to do with who should live where, which is the key question.

Then we can refer to my other arguments in this thread that directly attacked the Liberal position of disenfranchising white people. For example, I referred to another user that I don't want to see White people massively unemployed because diversity literally requires giving up white spots so another race can fill them. It doesn't look good on the Left if they're forced to defend making all White people homeless or poor in order to satisfy an unrealistic goal of making all of society minority ran. It takes pragmatism, but overtime these multicultural arguments become less about being moral or scientific goals and instead, the only real incentives is about money only.

A much better idea at debunking the Far-Left/Multiculturalism. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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If all these people are evil, what would you say about kids who spout this same stuff? It's not their fault, they had to be taught to hate white people first, as opposed to just naturally learning it. I would say the article posted by Forbes wasn't crafted by someone looking to commit some kind of illegal or heinous act. Just regular people who work in an office who believe they found answers to support their side and collect a paycheck for it. But rather than reduce them to a cartoon character, we should deconstruct their articles in front of them. Otherwise, they'll just paint the same picture for Conservatives and claim they're "irredeemable" as well despite never talking to one.

You don't even understand their ideological framework if this is your take. Your take is fine to convert a normie listening, because you expose the leftist for what they believe in. It is not good to convince a leftist, because in their frame work it is a problem and white people ARE the problem. So pointing this out only makes it seem to them that you are uneducated or don't understand things; it makes you seem dumb in their eyes- remember they're the "smart" ones, in their own minds. And in a way they are. They have constructed a complex thought system that seemingly protect their evil feelings and they can disguise those feelings with words of good.

They never go the full mile and explain why white replacement is necessary. If they did have an explanation, then it would contradict why do they also cry their eyes out as Native Indians or Palestinians lost their land? It's very easy to see why they omit this part and thus makes it harder to justify diversity.

Of course it is. What are you even talking about? It is not beneficial to non whites that Europe is majority white, so yeah, it is a sign of weakness and failure. The less white people in Europe, the more power non whites gain in Europe. Of course it is a weakness. You're just not seeing it through the lense of intersectionality, through the lense of race and identity. Muslims would be far more powerful if they were the majority in Europe, so it is totally a failure of the European civilization that Europe is majority white.

So if the underlying agenda is to get more non-whites in power, explain to them where are white people suppose to go or what jobs can they fulfil? Because if every politician or every CEO needs to be black or Asian, then they're making the argument that white people need to be unemployed. That type of situation can never be realistic without causing economic pandemonium.

It is not about fucking increasing profits, you moron. You don't increase profits by turning majority white countries into less white countries. You increase profits by increasing your white population in your country

The Left will argue that lack of birth rates + mass immigration will turn greater profits instead of letting the GDP decline. They're not wrong when the numbers back that, but the idea is to convince them that unlimited capitalism has its own problems or it's not magic that will fix everything. Again, use the Germany and Switzerland example. The Swiss aren't driving flying cars despite making more money than the average German. We know what the level of "very rich" looks like and there's a ceiling when we can't improve our lifestyles anymore.

It is very easy to convert normies. Why do you think we are censored from everywhere? The problem is getting a voice, not "how to debunk leftism"

Many factors to be honest. The biggest one is just how many kids actually graduated school in 2010 after being taught critical race theory and entered journalism. It created a type of media imbalance where the pro-diversity guys control everything, but they still seek to defend their arguments with the stuff they learned in school. Again, when you look at these things from a logical point of view, it does make sense why this type of propaganda has gotten so successful. But deconstruct them and people are forced to back unscientific opinions.

A much better idea at debunking the Far-Left/Multiculturalism. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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But everyone is exposed to anti-white influences. Even you. But that has never been an obstacle towards changing minds. Otherwise, no one would ever believe or attempt anything if life was set in stone and predetermined.

I also don't see this as a numbers game. Just talking to ordinary people on the streets and challenging their worldview is already a good achievement.

A much better idea at debunking the Far-Left/Multiculturalism. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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To which the obvious response is "Yes, but it could be richer with mOaR dIvErSiTy! And who wouldn't want to be richer?". You cede the premise that "richer = better" and then immediately lose if the opponent can demonstrate that "dIvErSiTy = richer". Better to argue from the beginning that there is intrinsic value to ethnic homogeneity and/or that there are things that can't be bought with money but which people need (e.g. sense of community, meaningful life, etc.). See: Robert Putnam.

But they put themselves into a trap if they fail to define what "rich" really means. Like compare Switzerland with Germany. Technically, Switzerland has almost double the GDP per capita of Germany, yet does anyone seriously think Germans live in poverty? Or if the country is technologically backwards? It's actually proof of diminishing returns. The Richest Europeans don't actually outclass each other by that much. Meanwhile, there are many third world countries who would dream to even be at the same level as some of the underachieving White countries out there (i.e Poland).

I don't think it addresses the reason for their opposition. My read is that most leftists and people in general accept the leftist position on diversity because: They want to be nice, and turning away huddled masses and wretched refuse from your shining city on a hill feels mean. Or; They really believe in equality ("All human groups are statistically the same in every way except appearance"), and that therefore any observed disparity must be human-caused, and therefore can and must be rectififed by humans. Neither of these two types will be swayed by your argument.

Well the refugee thing is more of a humanitarian idea. If a 100 homeless white guys showed up at your door, you turning them away isn't because you hate white people. It's because you understand there's only so many homeless people you can take care of at a time. Use this same argument against Liberals. The problem with unlimited immigration is not out of race hatred, it's literally because resources in White countries are finite like everywhere else. 50 Somalis who have legit asylum claims can be taken care of and sent back home. But a million of them showing up at a single European country is too much to bear for any country. White or not.

As for equality, it would be nicer to tell them that equality can only exist, when every country can act independent and look after their own people. A good example is Japan. At the end of WW2, Japan was literally a nuclear wasteland that resembled a failed society. But they earned their equality by turning the country around and matching the USA in both wealth and standards of living.

The arguments of race and biology can be avoided by merely pointing out the world would be a better place if every nation was successful, instead of just a select few ironically.

A much better idea at debunking the Far-Left/Multiculturalism. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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For a full conversation to White Nationalism? No. But getting everyday people to re-adjust their expectations on race and diversity? Absolutely.

There's an interview of Jared Taylor I can find where he did employ this exact tactics with a journalist. He respectfully listened to what the other person had to say, but he never backed down on the question of WHY is it so important to replace White people? I think it was some CNN guy who challenged him to a debate. But converting people is asking for the best case scenario. I rather go after the foundation of why so many people today believe the things they do. After all, imagine if you were taught Santa Claus as a kid, but never had anyone tell you he was fake? It's hard to fault these people that they fall into this trap of thinking diversity is perfect, because the only media they were exposed to said it was that way.

I also share the same feelings when it comes to debunking Creationism. It's very popular to grow up in religions that demonize evolution theory and forbid contact from reading such material. But debunk some of the most common misconceptions used against evolution (i.e did we really come from monkeys?) and the rest should fall apart easily.

Is colonialism analogous to mass immigration? by [deleted] in debatealtright

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Colonialism is immigration. You wouldn't have Israeli settlers in Palestine without Jewish immigrants. You wouldn't have Japan colonizing the Korean Peninsula without Japanese people.

However, the world before the 1900s had everyone play by the same rules of conquering, so it's a bit lame to apply modern problems to ancient issues. So it's no more analogous than trying to prosecute Genghis Khan for war crimes before there was even a Geneva Convention.

June is both UFO & Pride Month. Guess which one will gain more attention? by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Technically, he could do that already on Earth.

Hell, there's a country in Africa called the Congo, which has trillions worth of minerals buried, yet the entire GDP is only $50 Billion.

Why wouldn't Musk and Bezos just buy that, instead of taking the huge risk of colonizing another planet, and having to pay for all the costs associated with transporting Astronauts/Goods back and forth?

June is both UFO & Pride Month. Guess which one will gain more attention? by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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See my edit. How does a psyop explain rich entrepreneurs like Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos also spending their own money on making contact with another planet? Bezos in particular was rewarded $10 BILLION Dollars last week by the U.S government, despite the fact that you know? He's already the richest guy on Earth.

https://theintercept.com/2021/05/25/jeff-bezos-blue-origin-senate-bailout/

Yet they gave him the money anyway because he too joined the Space Race.

I think it's important to follow this topic because it's not everyday you see Billions in publicly funded tax dollars being handed out like candy. And if they are, wouldn't this raise suspicions that the U.S government is feeling pressure from someone to do it?

Edit: And then you have America's neighbor to the North, Canada, has also made recent announcements of going into Space. If every country keeps going down this path, doesn't this suggest there might actually be a global conspiracy in the works?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/canada-moon-mission-1.6041214

June is both UFO & Pride Month. Guess which one will gain more attention? by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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And if you want to know how the UFO story could get juicy, the head of Israel's most advanced Space Research has recently claimed that Aliens were real and Trump came close to revealing it but was "stopped".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Eshed

In December 2020, Eshed claimed in an interview with Israeli national newspaper Yediot Aharonot that the United States government had been in contact with extraterrestrial life for years and had signed secret agreements with a "Galactic Federation" in order to do experiments on Earth, and that there is a joint base underground on Mars where they collaborate with American astronauts.[20] He also stated that US president Donald Trump was aware of this and was "on the verge" of informing everyone of their existence, but was stopped by the "Galactic Federation", who wished to prevent mass hysteria.[21]

It may just be a coincidence but remember that China landed their rover on Mars last month. The second only other country to do so. Perhaps this is what caused the UFO investigation to finally go public, fearing the Chinese were going to discover this "underground base"?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-57122914

Edit: And to make things even more freaky, remember Elon Musk is investing a shit ton of money into landing the first Man on Mars in 2026, and he wants to send millions more by 2050.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-plans-1-million-people-to-mars-by-2050-2020-1

Should women have the right to vote? by [deleted] in debatealtright

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It seems to me right now with our precious democracies, "corruption and uncontrolled tyranny" is rampant.

But politicians still get rotated and shuffled out, as opposed to just letting the same person serve forever. We can also still hold these people responsible whether in power, or out of it. Of course, I never said democracy is perfect and there are definitely many prevailing issues. But between the choice of two evils, Democracy is at least a competitive idea that still requires Politicians to work for their position instead of automatically being rewarded for doing nothing or having great connections.

Stalin is not a good example because the Soviet system 'encouraged' corruption in many aspects. Their leadership made little attempts to combat it since they had no real loyalty to the Russian people. They served for personal interest, not for the betterment Russia. And also because a majority of the early 'elite' were jews. Sound familiar? A better and more fine example would be National Socialist Germany. The NS created a highly monitored and controlled commission with the key goal of seeking out and eliminating corruption present on a large and national scale. Their attempts to thwart the ever present villainy, which had solidly taken root during the Weimar Republic were very successful. The Autobahn project for example was started in 1920, but not even a single stretch of road had been completed before 1933. Lots of it was due to incompetence and lack of proper discipline, however, corruption was the biggest reason. In 1941, when work ceased, just under 4,000 km/s of road had been built with nearly half a million men employed at any single point. An exceedingly impressive feat. The previously mentioned committee paid close attention to the management of the project, and its impact is rather obvious. It should also be noted that it reported very little corruption even occurred to begin with. This is because the citizenry were enthusiastic and especially loyal to the regime. They knew the Nation cared for them, so they cared for it.

The Men who ran NS Germany still weren't perfect. Was it not Rudolf Hess, one of the highest ranking German officials at the time, made the ludicrous attempt at flying into enemy territory and immediately getting arrested for trespassing? Or how about the near the final days of the regime, there had been conspirators that wanted to take over German leadership by using any means necessary (i.e Claus von Stauffenberg) or those who simply felt like defecting rather than be held responsible (i.e Heinrich Himmler).

Asking for absolute loyalty in a huge population, when not even those in the high ranking inner circle can be trusted or even be expected to carry out their duties to the very ending, is a tall order. As I previously mentioned, only in a society that is perhaps influenced by Robots/A.I could we see such flawless ideals being proven to work without error.

Also in response to the Soviets having no loyalty to the Russian people, the Soviets WERE Russian Extremists. They committed hideous acts like starving the Ukrainian ethnic people, or expelling other European groups to settle them with Russians. By the end of the Cold War, it was basically Russia who was in a better position to lead vs all other ex-Soviet countries. Ironically, if it was a true Communist society, then the results should have been all of Eastern European being the same. But a las, this is once again the flaw of man made ideology.

Fascism/Communism/Democracy etc, all of them are still expected to fail or generate hardships at one point or another.

Should women have the right to vote? by [deleted] in debatealtright

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Even if the leaders are competent, not being able to vote them out runs the risk of corruption and uncontrolled tyranny.

Take a man like Stalin for example. On an intellectual level, he wasn't dumb. And he still "cared" about his country just based on the fact he invested a lot in modernizing the Soviets. But with no real opposition, it also meant he was able to kill millions in the name of vanity projects with everyone in his inner circle unable to criticism him.

The only way I see we get perfect leadership with no flaws or risk of corruption is if the man in the charge was literally some kind of supercomputer that can predict failure. But this opens another can of worms, since the same A.I could make the Stalin-esque decisions under the guide of nation building.

I don't think American nationalism makes sense by [deleted] in debatealtright

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I sometimes wonder if the mixing of these various Europeans (not just living in the same nation but interbreeding) was always going to doom it to failure.

The USA basically piloted the idea of "assimilation". Which is ironically the complete opposite of diversity.

Being an Irish-American or Greek-American was seen as a bad thing, just to be replaced with one generic label. If Americans could do this with White people, it's no surprise that every other race is now being forced to mix together as well...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphenated_American

I don't think American nationalism makes sense by [deleted] in debatealtright

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The American continent was always a bastardized experiment.

It's not just the USA, but literally all their neighbors too. Canada was half British, half French. Mexico is half Spanish half Amerinidian. Brazil is whatever mystery meat that Portuguese Explorers had sex with, while also bringing in the largest regiment of slaves from Africa to populate the new world. And I haven't even mentioned Haiti and Jamaica...

I guess you could argue U.S Nationalism is when you have several Europeans get together and form a superpower country. If it were not for that, then it would have been replaced by Hispanic nationalism a long time ago...

Is there a such thing as battle hardened Whites? by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Thank you for sharing your experience.

Resources on Euro-Canadian treatment of Natives (Canadian Indian residential school system)? by Girondin in debatealtright

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The purpose of the schools was to help children, not only to take them away from potentially abusive situations, but to prepare them for life in the ever changing modern world.

But this is White Man's Burden, which historically always was a mistake.

The Canadians should have just left the Natives alone. Who cares if they don't adapt to Western society? That's literally proof that the two cultures should have been separate instead of forcing them to mix.

Is there a such thing as battle hardened Whites? by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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Among this age group, California, a state with one of the largest minority populations, has a membership rate 25 percent higher than the national average. One of the most popular social groups on the site is “In Support of Anti-Semitism.” The percentage of members who join this group is positively correlated with a state’s Jewish population. New York, the state with the highest Jewish population, has above-average per capita membership in this group.

Well there it is.

What do you think of modern Russia? by lokke767 in debatealtright

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Russia has more cases of aids than Brazil and even certain African countries. I would say just because Russians look "White" doesn't mean their way of life is interchangeable with the West. Probably one example where culture plays more importance than just genes.

My opinion of Russia is they firmly sit in the Second World. Great if you're rich or are friends of the oligarchs, but terrible for the other 99% with no way of climbing up.