It's been nearly 2 weeks since Hamas attacked Israel, and the Israelis still haven't committed their ground troops into Gaza. This mere fact by itself has exposed the weakness of Israel.

submitted by IslamofascistDeath to America, Death to Israel, Death to The Ukraine from self.debatealtright

In case anyone thought that Israel had some super-duper high IQ invincible army, the recent events have put that to rest permanently. The Israelis still haven't commenced a ground operation in Gaza, instead choosing to bomb Gaza with their air force. But not only will simple bombing fail to destroy Hamas (who are well-entrenched in tunnels running underneath the Gaza Strip), every day of Israeli bombing will further increase their resolve and determination to fight Israeli forces to the death if and when Israeli troops invade. Israel will have to engage in brutal urban combat in a nightmarish landscape similar to what we saw in Bakhmut, but worse. I don't think the Jews are cut out for this, especially since the Jews have not fought in any major war since 2006 in Lebanon (during which they performed poorly).

But if Israel doesn't invade and completely uproot Hamas, presumably because they are afraid of the casualties they will endure, that will make Israel look extraordinarily weak. The Israelis already look weak for waiting so long, and their decision to target civilians and hospitals had completely destroyed any normalization efforts with the Arab world. No matter happens now, the image of Israel as having a strong, effective military able to deliver quick, decisive results has been destroyed. If they are unable to deal with Hamas in Gaza, they will have absolutely no chance against a more capable and organized army like Hezbollah.

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The goal of Israel isn't military/political though, it's genocidal. All they want to do is make civilian life insufferable for the Palestinians, Hamas is none of their concern.

If/when their neighbours try something for real America will be brought in, Israel has nukes and such, and they'll actually be using their military rather than just dropping bombs on civilians. Your post is assuming Israel is 'trying their best' militarily and is inept militarily, but this is just an assumption. I think jews are more than happy to just terrorise Palestinians without doing any real fighting against combatants because this is what they've been doing forever.

The idea that this should inspire Hezbollah or something I think is a bit fantastical, it seems more like what you want to believe rather than an actual sober analysis. Not saying it's wrong and Israel are actually strong, just that it's not really right either it's just an unknown.

[–]IslamofascistDeath to America, Death to Israel, Death to The Ukraine[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course Israel has a military/political goal. It needs to destroy Hamas, if for no other reason than to show that it is strong and can retaliate against a direct attack on its soil. This is what Israel said it was going to do soon after the attacks, and Israel mobilized hundreds of thousands of troops, which is very expensive and taxing on Israel's economy. Everyone assumed that there will be a large-scale Israeli ground operation in Gaza, but that has not been forthcoming.

I don't know how much you know about life in Gaza, but civilian life has already been insufferable before this war. Gaza was basically cut off from the rest of the world. The unemployment rate among young people (under 30) was over 60%. The vast majority of people had no real prospects in life. If the Jews just want to terrorize Palestinians through air strikes, it's not going to solve anything. They can't commit a "genocide" unless they use chemical weapons or something (which I wouldn't totally put past them, but if they do that things will escalate very drastically). Hamas won't be eliminated through mere air strikes. And if Hamas is not totally eliminated, Israel will look very weak, especially after the damage that Hamas managed to inflict on the Israelis.

[–]IslamofascistDeath to America, Death to Israel, Death to The Ukraine[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

To put things into perspective, the United States and allied forces began combat operations in Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom) on October 7, 2001, less than a month after the 9/11 attacks, and the capital of Kabul fell on November 13. And Afghanistan is a landlocked country located on the other side of the planet as America, while Gaza is a tiny strip of land located right next to Israel.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, and that worked out great for the US and Afghanistan is now run by a completely different government compared to back then, right?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Israel has 500,000 troops stationed outside of Gaza. Just by sheer numbers they could definitely take Gaza if they kept throwing bodies at it.

The bigger problem is Hezbollah, Syria and Iran would invade from the North and start a two front conflict.

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If I was Israel I would send a shitload of drones. Why send troops to get killed when you have technology.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because they are the obvious aggressors, and they don't want massive public international backlash.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because Hamas in in tunnels under the city.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They played a bluff hand and pretended to be victims.

They didn't get the global pubic support that had expected.

The PsyOp largely failed.

It appears that they also ended the cloud flare attacks.

[–]tjweeks 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Israel has the most badass military in the world. If they are waiting for the best time for a ground attack I'm sure they have a good reason.

[–]zarthos 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are most likely waiting and plotting. Their probable next step is to unleash a wave of devastating terrorist attacks by Muslims (ISIS-like assets) living in Europe and America, in order to garner additional sympathy for their cause. Or perhaps even kick-start civil wars in countries like France, Britain and Germany between the indigenous peoples and the Muslim invaders, to begin a final war where the formerly Christian West (Edom) and the Islamic East (Ishmael) exterminate each other.