"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, well, you're not employed. You sit all day on the Internet spewing racist pseudoscience, and when you're called out on it, you just fall back to saying you're a very stable genius and everyone else in the world is ignorant.

You're not exactly adding any value to the world here.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're not a geneticist or a biologist. You don't even know the basics of the methods used to infer race. I am the one not engaging with you, because you're a complete waste of my time. You need to educate yourself and come back in 5 years, when you know the basics.

It's also not an irrelevant point. You made the point about AI's hallucinating which displays your complete and utter ignorance on the topic. No ones using chatGPT to infer races. You are clueless. I am the one not engaging with you because you're a complete waste of my time.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see. So this is what you meant when you said people always slink away from the argument that race isn't real. You meant that you eventually fixate on some irrelevant point (here: whether AI hallucinates) and become less and less communicative and then beg them to stop talking to you entirely.

Must be fuckin' weird to live in your head.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You thinking they're irrelevant shows your ignorance. Just be quite already, you're spamming my messages

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, you're certainly good at repeating yourself like a broken record and dropping irrelevant names of data structures. We've already established that.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How stupid do you think people are? You continue to talk about hallucinations which proves you are utterly clueless about this topic.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You and I both know that you're just doing an impression of a Hollywood screenwriter, spewing techno-nonsense at me. "Why, this ROM chip has fourteen teraflops of DRM!"

You were just hoping I didn't know it.

Yes, of course LLMs hallucinate wildly. Yes, of course text-to-image models draw Lovecraftian nightmares. You know it, I know it, the whole world knows it, and no amount of Star Trek speak is gonna change that.

Does anyone here have rare Hitler or Nazi related material that's difficult to find on the web? by ZeeZoyimNo in debatealtright

[–]CourtJester 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've been working on something for a while: https://mega.nz/file/h4kGiIpD#_zt2gJiku_isa2Hi2jPOynKCeuR2S01uXF9VQi8ExiQ It pertains to Martin Bormann. I perused interviews from the tv series Hitler’s Henchmen, Season 2 Episode 6.

Opinions on this reddit thread about a White only advertisement in Canada? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That explains a lot

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I agree that you talking about hallucinations was utterly clueless

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The hallucinations of data structures? Come on, man. It's like you're saying "I use stacks and queues in my programming and neither of them hallucinate!"

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Google is helpful, I see. These are not buzzwords but relevant to the conversation.

Tell me about the "hallucinations" of k means or pca

Opinions on this reddit thread about a White only advertisement in Canada? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The first time I went to school with a colored kid was 6th grade and there were only 10 of them in my high school. There were 250 people in my class.

Opinions on this reddit thread about a White only advertisement in Canada? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]xoenix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not that demographically secure with current immigration rates.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, you know, just casually mention a couple concepts in data structures that have been around for more than fifty years - vector quantization and principal component analysis. That'll show you're Very Smart Guy, right? And Very Smart Guy is obviously just going to sit on the ass-end of the Internet all day complaining about the Jews, right? Yeah, that makes sense.

Opinions on this reddit thread about a White only advertisement in Canada? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Moderate whites can play with the mud babies

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What buzzword was that?

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hilarious. Accuse me of "dropping buzzwords" and then immediately drop some buzzwords of your own.

So glad to have been privileged with that insight.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great comeback. Tell me more about the "hallucinations" of k means or pca lol

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lol. Well, if you're not lying to me, the products you make are shitty. They can't even draw two people standing next to each other without turning their limbs into a horrifying tangle of flesh.

But I'm pretty sure you're lying to me, since I'm guessing if you had a real job, you wouldn't be spending all day on some backwater corner of the Internet spewing racist bullshit into the void.

That's really much closer to the kind of behavior shut-ins and alcoholics and the mentally ill partake in.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You consume AI products that I make.

And you and I and everyone all know that it's not useful for giving correct or reliable answers.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Absolutely, utterly, beyond clueless. Yet arrogant in your ignorance.

See you in 5 years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsupervised_learning

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, we all work with AI now. It's everywhere. And you and I and everyone all know that it's not useful for giving correct or reliable answers.

and I might privilege you with my insights.

Lol. Okay, sure, Lord Elsington Hastingdingdingworth.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I work with AI, I make the models you use. You are clueless but I'm sure you think you sound smart. Utterly clueless about what you're talking about. You learned some buzzwords and think they apply to what we're talking about.

I have nothing more to discuss with you. Start studying, and then come back, and I might privilege you with my insights.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

...have you just never used AI? The other day I asked it to describe my band, and it told me my band contained four guys who I know but who are definitely not in the band.

If you have fantasies that machine learning gives objective, correct answers to any question you ask it... well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sometimes it gives results that are very satisfying to humans; sometimes it hallucinates and lies; sometimes it draws a picture of a Lovecraftian nightmare.

Absolutely clueless.

The majority of Western voters want to reduce immigration (2023 data) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Still won't work. Mexicans will just buy a plane ticket and fly to Minneapolis. Republican wind bags will give them a visa.

The majority of Western voters want to reduce immigration (2023 data) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It will when you put machine gun mounts and search lights on it and use them.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That you can subdivide a race into smaller races doesn't negate the concept of race. The German race and the Anglo race are part of the bigger Caucasian race.

According to you. Of course, Hitler disagreed, didn't he? He was quite adamant that the German race and the Slavic race were two different races.

And the thing is, neither of you are right and neither of you are wrong. Because the question is totally subjective. It's astrology. Nature does not give us delineations that say "this group goes in this race and this group goes in that race." You can immediately distinguish an Irish ginger from a dark-skinned Italian. You can do it visually and you can do it genetically. But we put them in the same "race." Why? Subjective biases.

That you can display different shades of blue doesn't negate the concept of the color blue. They are all part of the bigger overarching color "blue".

Not objectively. Whether "cyan" is part of "blue" is not a question with an answer that is found in science, nature, or logic. It is if we say it is; it isn't if we say it isn't. The sky is obviously not the same color as a morpho didius butterfly, but we use the same word "blue" for both, because it suits us. Because we're sloppy. Because categories give us shorthands.

Our ancestors disagreed. In fact, they didn't recognize the existence of blue. There is no word for "blue" in any of the Bronze Age languages.

From around 1600?

Yes, from around 1600. That's when the Age of Sail came into full swing and humans became exceptionally mobile, breaking a 10,000 year streak of mostly staying with their farms. It's also when our "heathen" slaves started converting to Christianity, so we needed a new excuse to enslave them. So, we invented the concept of race. No human before 1600 had any concept of race. It was a brand new invention.

Sure there is. It's called genetic clusters. Ask an unsupervised computer algorithm to categorize humans, and it will group Asians/Mongoloids together into one cluster based on their genetics.

Asking an unsupervised computer algorithm to take on a subjective task? Yeah, that's machine learning/AI. Sometimes it gives results that are very satisfying to humans; sometimes it hallucinates and lies; sometimes it draws a picture of a Lovecraftian nightmare.

Transwomen are men. Calling a cow a cat doesn't make it a cat.

It's really not complicated. Trans women are trans women. They are distinct from cis women; they are distinct from cis men. They are their own thing. There is no need or benefit in trying to shove them into additional categories.

The majority of Western voters want to reduce immigration (2023 data) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. We will see what the outcome of this policy will be. I've written about it previously on this sub. On paper it sounds nice.

The decrease is a result of a trend starting due to policies made by the previous government. This 4 year long trend has since been reversed after the social democrats took over. I was very white pilled for some time.

Please be aware that dr is a far left media outlet that manipulates exceedingly on this topic. They do the same types of mental gymnastics like "we don't want illegal immigration". Refugees, which the article is about, are minor numbers that don't really move anything. The bigger numbers are family chain migrations and descendants of immigrants.

The majority of Western voters want to reduce immigration (2023 data) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Building a wall isn't going to keep out illegal immigrants.

The majority of Western voters want to reduce immigration (2023 data) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Block this user, he contributes absolute zero to the conversation.

Could we use a Right Wing occupy wall street to our advantage? by DragonerneJesus is white in debatealtright

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Flip a burger kiddo.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

AIs aren't above word games and can be manipulated to produce the results you want.

However when you use as unbiased and neutral algorithms as possible, you get what you'd expect.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That you can subdivide a race into smaller races doesn't negate the concept of race. The German race and the Anglo race are part of the bigger Caucasian race.

That you can display different shades of blue doesn't negate the concept of the color blue. They are all part of the bigger overarching color "blue".

Choosing color to represent race is a modern invention and it fits into the social constructionist argument that race is only skin deep. It is in fact misleading, because someone who has black skin from India is not part of the same race as someone who has black skin from Congo, neither does a light skinned Korean come from the same race as a light skinned German.

From around 1600? The first ancient human we have DNA from is genetically European, that's 45000 years ago.

there's no specific, objective genotype that represents the concept of "Asian" or "native American."

Sure there is. It's called genetic clusters. Ask an unsupervised computer algorithm to categorize humans, and it will group Asians/Mongoloids together into one cluster based on their genetics.

Meh. Trans women are trans women. A is A. Aristotle's Law of Identity.

Transwomen are men. Calling a cow a cat doesn't make it a cat.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]x0x7 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If AI are above word games someone should tell chatGPT. The number of bullshit word games I've played with it might surprise you.

But more important than AI being able to identify skeletons where pre-define race labels may have been used in training, if we broaden past AI to just general data science, we can see clustering in the human genome, and can do k-means analysis on those clusters.

So yes, there can be ill-defined borders, but that doesn't mean the clusters don't exist. Human variability exists and is clustered.

Could we use a Right Wing occupy wall street to our advantage? by DragonerneJesus is white in debatealtright

[–]weary_traveller 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok how did this boomer sneak in here? Let's get you to bed grandpa.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dragonerne: Not a Jew.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://saidit.net/s/news/comments/bj4w/2_high_profile_kiiiers_jailed_this_month_one_is/143c8

No one was conceptualizing humans as groups of discrete races before we needed an excuse for mass slavery.

Or maybe people saw other groups that where far more primitive/animal-like than they were?

You even bring up the age of sail, yet why would any European Person who just stepped foot in Africa see themselves as equals to Native Bushmen who never invented the wheel? Or live in mudhuts?

Consider that racial gaps in civilization still exists to this day.

There is no majority black country that is considered 1st world. And no amount of socio-economic factors has ever quelled this. Nations like South Africa and Rhodesia where objectively at their best when white ruled governments had been installed.

Once blacks had replaced their positions they collapsed.

The majority of Western voters want to reduce immigration (2023 data) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As if Republicans are any better. Lmao!

The majority of Western voters want to reduce immigration (2023 data) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Keep electing Democrats and you'll get more illegals and have to pay for them.

Could we use a Right Wing occupy wall street to our advantage? by DragonerneJesus is white in debatealtright

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. Are you just fucking stupid or what?

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]RapeMyMouth 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any time bud.

If you are ever really confused, look at culture.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]MoeGreene 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just try to fill out any government form.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]RapeMyMouth 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Race is real.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I read some of your comments. He is making the "no discrete groups" and no one ever said race is a discrete group. So /u/Hematomato argues from a strawman position that no one holds.

"Straw man" is two words. And I'm arguing from that position because it's the only position that makes races even exist.

If we're all just a big genetic smear where some clusters from around the year 1600 are still visible - well, that simply means we're not a species divided into races.

I think it's oddly fitting that we chose colors to represent races. Because just like there's no specific, objective color that represents the concept of "yellow" or "red," there's no specific, objective genotype that represents the concept of "Asian" or "native American."

But whatever your mental picture of the concept of "yellow" or "red" is, it'd be pretty surprising if it bore any resemblance to human skin.

They'd have to argue that the color blue doesn't exist.

And I'll gladly take up that argument. This is obviously 25 different colors, but we subjectively lump them all under one word. Nothing that exists in nature makes these 25 colors the same color.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Color_icon_blue.png/600px-Color_icon_blue.png

My typical response to people saying race doesn't exist is to ask them if they believe transwomen are women

Meh. Trans women are trans women. A is A. Aristotle's Law of Identity.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]weary_traveller 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He’s playing word games. Whether you call it race or something else, and regardless of how strictly defined the borders of these human population groups are, they exist and they are genetically distinct from each other. AI can accurately identify a person’s “race” just by looking at an xray of their skeleton.

He’s not entirely wrong. Race is an imperfect social construct used to describe actual physical/genetic differences between human population groups that evolved separately for tens, and possibly hundreds of thousands of years.

You could also argue the term species is a social construct and point out the borders between them can be fuzzy, and yet most people would agree species exist.

"Race isn't real" by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I read some of your comments. He is making the "no discrete groups" and no one ever said race is a discrete group. So /u/Hematomato argues from a strawman position that no one holds.

If races were discrete, there would be no such thing as a mixed race person. But clearly NO ONE has ever argued that mixed race people don't exist. The existence of mixed race people necessarily, mathematically, means that races exists on a spectrum (called clines, in genetics) with individuals having various levels of admixture from different races.

I can recommend thuletides debunking:
https://thuletide.wordpress.com/debunking-race-denialism/

This article is great:
https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/08/21/race-science-infographics-archive-biology-genetics-anthropology-etc/

The user you argued against admitted himself that race is like colors, and no one would deny the existence of the color blue. And the important aspect here is that colors are way more arbitrary than race is, considering that colors are a literal evenly spaced spectrum, while races are closely clustered genetic populations.

It is really a pointless discussion. We've had biologists and geneticists arguing against race on this sub many times before, and eventually they always run away, because their position is indefensible.

They'd have to argue that the color blue doesn't exist. And that position would make MORE sense than race not existing.

My typical response to people saying race doesn't exist is to ask them if they believe transwomen are women- because that's the type of absurdities that you will start believing once you're brainwashed enough to reach these types of positions. And frankly, it is pointless to discuss with race denialists. But you should read the links I shared and educate yourself.

The majority of Western voters want to reduce immigration (2023 data) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The social democrats haven't made any restrictions on immigration. It was the previous government Dansk Folkeparti (DF) that made all the restrictions. The social democrats got elected on an anti immigration platform, basically making DF useless. They got elected but has since not done anything on immigration and has even lifted some restrictions.

The media isn't covering it. The danish right wing anti immigration wing has been deplatformed on social media. Meanwhile the masses think that everything is fine now and that Sweden is stupid on immigration but that Danes and danish politicians are strict on immigration - the problem is that it isn't true.
I was very whitepilled during last election but I really don't know how to feel right now. I can't go anywhere without hearing foreign languages in my city, and it's not tourists. But at least most of them are white foreigners.

Why Swedes aren't worried?
Nordics aren't easily worried and it is still - somewhat - taboo to talk about

The Evidence for the Holocaust by Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist in debatealtright

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Holocaust refers to the systematic extermination of European Jewry by the Germans and their collaborators during the Second World War. This policy was carried out by mass shooting, gassing, enslavement (and overwork), and deliberate deprivation. At least five million Jews died as a result.

Right off the bat Mr. Cockerill has framed the entire debate to his advantage.

The Holocaust refers to the systematic extermination of European Jewry by the Germans

Hitler openly said he wanted Jews out of Europe. Nobody denies that. No Jews in Europe would mean Jews would be 'exterminated' from Europe. Even though the language is inflammatory and hearkens images of killing insects it's still somewhat accurate to say Hitler wanted to exterminate a class of people. The reality though is that ethnic group was acting as a criminal class and Mr. Cockerill fails to address that in his opening thesis. You know who else said that they wanted to get Jews out Europe? Zionist Jews working on forming the state of Israel. Signed in 1933, we know through the Haavara agreement that the National Socialist German Workers party worked with the Jewish authorities in Palestine to facilitate emigration there. By Cockerill's framing this is 'proof' of the holocaust. History shows that the NSDAP 'collaborated' with Jews to get Jews out of Europe so by agreed upon history Cockerill is saying the Jews are part of the 'holocaust' of Jews?

This policy was carried out by mass shooting, gassing, enslavement (and overwork), and deliberate deprivation. At least five million Jews died as a result.

This part of his statement is the most manipulative. The modern holocaust claim is not that Germans shot, gassed and enslaved Jews. The modern Holocaust claim is really a story. That story goes that EVIL Hitler 1. had no reason to do this but blind racial hatred! and 2. did it systematically, cruelly, and industrially (modern claims are over 21 million jew deaths!) like some type of evil psychopath. This narrative is what modern 'denialism' is trying to correct. The modern holocaust myth is part of a coordinated racial attack to make whites, who are prone to moral thinking, deeply ashamed. This shame building done by jewish marketing, media and government schools creates a layer of protection from modern Jewish fleecing of economies of majority white nations. This fleecing was the same thing the Jews were doing to Germans before militant parties arose and attempted to expose and expel the criminal jews for their criminal acts. Getting angry and getting even with criminals is not a "holocaust" by any means.

I haven't finished reading the entire article but right away Mr. Cockerill does not seem to be in good faith. I can guess what's in the rest of the article though.

Did Hitler gas Jews? Yes?

(Most likely; there's proof of several facilities where Germans experimented on using carbon monoxide to kill the infirm.) There could have been hundreds, maybe thousands of people that died this way but it was not a method that was used to get Jews out of Europe. We really don't even know if any of those infirm were Jewish. It was simply part of the German philosophy that the weak should be shamed and pressured to improve or die/leave society. There's no evidence that the NSDAP considered doing this on millions of people or on Jews. The experiments were abandoned (but seized upon by Jewish narrative builders post war). The only people to use 'gas' on their political enemies were Jews themselves when Russia was slipping into civil war. 10's of thousands of political enemies of Jewish Bolsheviks were killed by gas vans. This is probably where modern Jewish fake historians and story tellers built the German 'gassing' myth from.

Did Hitler shoot Jews? Yes.

Obviously. A war was going on and jews were caught in the fighting. There were incidents where German commanders sometimes killed groups of Jews but this was not a general German war machine policy. In fact the German army was quite disciplined. Many reports shows the Wehrmacht raped and killed far far less than other armies. (All armies rape and kill civilians in war; it's a shame but it's a part of war).

Did Hitler enslave Jews? Not really.

By German and American standards no. They were simply creating political sanctuary so Jews wouldn't be killed in a war zone. The US government did the same thing in California and Arizona with the Japanese. By Jewish standards (a cultural standard that avoided labor at all cost) then yes Jews were 'enslaved' but this is not the agreed upon standard of what imprisonment or enslavement means. As always Jews are playing with words here to build self shame within whites and to inspire non whites to hate us.

At least five million Jews died as a result.

LMAO. With these words Mr. Cockerill is now a denialist himself because the Jewish narrative is 6 million or more and anyone that departs from that is a denialist.

The Evidence for the Holocaust by Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I always thought the Holocaust was real. The thing is, I don't care. I still think the Nazis should have won.

William Joyce (aka Lord Haw-Haw) was ahead of his time. by radicalcentristNational Centrism in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I hope you like ovens

The Evidence for the Holocaust by Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist in debatealtright

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

SS: I know this is a key question and nuanced, so I'm interested. However, nothing Germany did to Jews 80 years ago is going to affect my opinion on Whites having an absolute right to defend our homelands. Whites being bludgeoned with "the" holocaust guilt is a crime.

Of course the comments section is a riot.

NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel. (The Guardian, 2013) by HibikiBlackCaudillo in debatealtright

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The idea that US intel agencies give a rat's ass about the law. lol

Britain's Black History Hoax (e.g. Stonehenge was NOT Built by Black People) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The main reason why he has great optics is because he's an intellectual. He's an academic even. This movement needs to get over its anti-elitism and stop being so plebeian. A no point in history did the rabble ever gain power. Power is always gained by elites.

William Joyce (aka Lord Haw-Haw) was ahead of his time. by radicalcentristNational Centrism in debatealtright

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Jews shot first. Immediately after Hitler won the election in 1933, International Jewry launched a boycott against German goods. This was at a time when the German economy was still in a depression, and was especially vulnerable to boycotts.

What is your opinion/rebuttal to this common sentiment that liberals believe about right wing ideology? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Veblen had their number over a century ago.

What is your opinion/rebuttal to this common sentiment that liberals believe about right wing ideology? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's projection.

William Joyce (aka Lord Haw-Haw) was ahead of his time. by radicalcentristNational Centrism in debatealtright

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Nazis should have left the juden alone.

Do you think bullshit like this redpills any Whites? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, populism is a dead-end. Meloni is proving that in real time.

What is your opinion/rebuttal to this common sentiment that liberals believe about right wing ideology? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've tried pointing out that right leaning people aren't the cartoon villains they've been taught but they don't listen. It's a tactic, painting their ideological opposition as dumb and evil.

Open to ideas.

What is your opinion/rebuttal to this common sentiment that liberals believe about right wing ideology? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just another example of middle class people constantly sucking up to power and flexing their higher socioeconomic status above poor people who they hate for not being bourgeois enough.

What is your opinion/rebuttal to this common sentiment that liberals believe about right wing ideology? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]Nombre27 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's simply a way for them to never engage with wrongthink information while maintaining their illusion of moral superiority. It's a coping mechanism.

What is your opinion/rebuttal to this common sentiment that liberals believe about right wing ideology? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right wing morons absolutely exist, but it's no different to Left-Wingers having their own version.

Based on voting polls, 80% of Black Americans always vote Democrat making them Liberals. Yet their average IQ is still seen as the lowest amongst all U.S races.

In reality, Right/Left doesn't occupy intelligence spaces. Race does.

What is your opinion/rebuttal to this common sentiment that liberals believe about right wing ideology? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are right in the sense that truth is easy to convey to an audience and that simple minded people will easily be persuaded by true statements.

It requires a rather average/high IQ to be convinced by/understand leftist mental gymnastics. This is also where the leftist midwit NPC meme came from.

They're wrong in the sense that ignorant and immature people often fall for leftist slogans that don't require any brain cells, like Black Lives Matter and the like. Statements that most people agree with when they hear them and that they then use for political agendas.

Leftists are liars, hypocrites and pretenders.

Do you think bullshit like this redpills any Whites? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I no longer believe in metapolitics. I now subscribe to the "elite theory" from NRx. Politics is not downstream from culture. It's downstream from law.

How do you mean? Are you no longer a populist then?

Britain's Black History Hoax (e.g. Stonehenge was NOT Built by Black People) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’ve followed him for a while now. He has great optics & is very presentable to normies.

Britain's Black History Hoax (e.g. Stonehenge was NOT Built by Black People) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great video, I watched some of their other content. It's a good youtube channel. A pro white 200k subscriber channel is not bad.

Britain's Black History Hoax (e.g. Stonehenge was NOT Built by Black People) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jews are not Israelites. They admit so themselves in their encyclopedias.

They are edomites of Esau, mongrels, mixed and pretenders. Even historically, Judea separated from Israel and waged WAR against the Israelites. Gods blessing also went to Joseph, not Judea.

King Herod was an edomite. It is documented history how they infiltrated judea and took it over with their babylonian (not israelite) talmud.
Jesus also said they're not jews and that they're not of Israel or of God.

But somehow we are to believe the "we wuz jews" satanic kikes who also publishes bullshit "we wuz kangz" propaganda for blacks? They are stripping our history away from us like the parasites they are.

"Sweden has always been a nation of immigrants. The UK was always black! We are the real Israelites", it's coming from the same lying source.

Do you think bullshit like this redpills any Whites? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]JapsDoEverythingRiteBlack Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If violent attacks on Whites by negroes can't convince other Whites, I don't know what else could.

Britain's Black History Hoax (e.g. Stonehenge was NOT Built by Black People) by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hahaha. It's the same with the discussion of who are the real Israelites. There's been a fair share of great people in each ethnic group, there's no need to fall for this kind of bullshit.

Do you think bullshit like this redpills any Whites? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, definitely.

Is everyone named Goldstein Jewish? by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe some gold mining descended family in Germany or Austria? Since stein is German for stone.

Is everyone named Goldstein Jewish? by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not sure. I know Jews have "appropriated" or sullied some White surnames but I think Goldstein is uniquely Jewish.

Fascism Question: What is the difference in ideology between National Justice Party and Patriot Front? by 8thmonitor in debatealtright

[–]FreakyFalangistNational Catholicism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think there's an ideology split, just a difference in strategy/tactics.

NJP does some visible protests but ultimately tries to model themselves on a contemporary political party with speeches and the like.

PF is more like a "grassroots" activist org focused mainly on protests and demonstrations.

Fascism Question: What is the difference in ideology between National Justice Party and Patriot Front? by 8thmonitor in debatealtright

[–]illuminaziBuddhist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Different cults of personality

Do you think bullshit like this redpills any Whites? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Redpilling people is only useful when it comes to family and friends. On a societal level it's useless. I no longer believe in metapolitics. I now subscribe to the "elite theory" from NRx. Politics is not downstream from culture. It's downstream from law.

NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel. (The Guardian, 2013) by HibikiBlackCaudillo in debatealtright

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

what makes you think it is? intelligence sharing to get around privacy laws has been a well known practice for a while now

NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel. (The Guardian, 2013) by HibikiBlackCaudillo in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I recently replayed it. I couldn't believe the predictions. They were spot-on.

Is everyone named Goldstein Jewish? by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Juan Epstein

Welcome Back, Kotter

I watched it live on TV. I'm old.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0373811/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t4

Is everyone named Goldstein Jewish? by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Jewishness is racial not religious. THEY want to make the "dirty goyim" believe it's just about a religion though.

Is everyone named Goldstein Jewish? by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes.

NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel. (The Guardian, 2013) by HibikiBlackCaudillo in debatealtright

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That game was way ahead of its time. I hope they don't screw up if it gets remaked.

Is everyone named Goldstein Jewish? by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sarcasm?

NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel. (The Guardian, 2013) by HibikiBlackCaudillo in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

MGS2 predicted this.

Thoughts on this post from a supposed ex Trump supporter from an anti White subreddit? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gross.

NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel. (The Guardian, 2013) by HibikiBlackCaudillo in debatealtright

[–]SueBoyle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you sure that's not a fake story?

Post on r/Europe looks like an Alt-Right comment section by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Suck my dick, bitch.

Blocked!

Is everyone named Goldstein Jewish? by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Juan Goldstein is Catholic.

Post on r/Europe looks like an Alt-Right comment section by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have high standards.

Normal people would fix the typo or say what you said last immediately. You went into denial mode, which means dyslexia. It takes me less than .5 seconds to scan your sentence and find the error. Clearly, it's too difficult for you, so a mild form of dyslexia.

The proper response is to thank me.

Post on r/Europe looks like an Alt-Right comment section by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One silly typo? Seriously?

Post on r/Europe looks like an Alt-Right comment section by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are making mistakes and not even acknowledging them. I am providing you with free healthcare, essentially. If it's not dyslexia, you are just stupid. Ask ChatGPT what's wrong, if you are that stupid.

Post on r/Europe looks like an Alt-Right comment section by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Obvious troll is obvious.

F for American Krogan by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would want for someone to fill his shoes, and for Krogan's videos to remain preserved.

Thoughts on this post from a supposed ex Trump supporter from an anti White subreddit? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who?

Post on r/Europe looks like an Alt-Right comment section by EthnocratArcheofuturist in debatealtright

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Go to a doctor and have him verify you have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia. Thank me later.

Do you think bullshit like this redpills any Whites? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]William_World 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

sometimes an adult baby boomer moved out of cities long ago, white flight, to the suburbs. their kids grow up brainwashed by the media into thinking blacks are ok, but then they learn from reality when they get robbed or assaulted. Then they have kids who are brainwashed by the media. It's a vicious circle and the elites know it works.