IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]DisgustResponse [score hidden]  (0 children)

IQ is nerd bullshit, but anything that gets people to notice that there are real differences between populations is useful.

Should Hitler have won WW2? by WeastGang in debatealtright

[–]DisgustResponse [score hidden]  (0 children)

I give it at most a hundred years before Hitler is regarded with the same Romantic-tragic energy as Napoleon.

IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]JuliusCaesar225 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You contradict yourself by using Nobel prizes to praise European accomplishment compared to Japan but then attempt to discredit Jewish intelligence.

School Board meeting becomes heated during mask discussion - East Idaho News by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

[–]DeepCrimsonPill [score hidden]  (0 children)

If you want a vision of your future, image being forced to wear a face diaper as 115 IQ retards lecture you on social distancing. Forever.

School Board meeting becomes heated during mask discussion - East Idaho News by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If she happens to not be a lesbian, I'm sure her husband is one broken man.

School Board meeting becomes heated during mask discussion - East Idaho News by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

[–]literalotherkin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sure in my own version of Hell there would be a version of Elizabeth Cogliati in the cell just lecturing me in that shrill way that type of harridan always does. Imagine having to work with her every day.

Do White People Have a Future? - American Renaissance. I believe as Taylor ages he is honing his message to a precise rhetorical stiletto. by Fitter_Happier in debatealtright

[–]BitterRedditRefugee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a lot of words to justify having a mail order bride because someone cant get a white girl.

School Board meeting becomes heated during mask discussion - East Idaho News by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

About 5:45 minute mark and then again just after 7:05

She literally freaked out while answering a question that was directed to someone else. Then after she was done her rant and she gives him a chance to speak, she cuts him off and freaks out again. Hope she loses her job, she's very unprofessional and obviously shouldn't be in charge of anyone or be in any other decision-making positions. She literally sounded like she was going to faint and was entirely irrational and erratic.

Brave and patient guy putting up with that hostile work environment.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Ethnocrat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Christianity is Jewish.

Update on the dissolution off Génération Identitaire by lolhedabbin in debatealtright

[–]YJaewedwqewq 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The thing is, the elite will ALWAYS view even the most minor act of White cohesion as an insurrectionary act against them, because in reality it sort of is. Our long-term goal is to change the system, and many would say peacefully if possible. They don't care. They wouldn't care if we were avowed pacifists. We will ALWAYS be labelled terrorists, becuase to them, that's what all Whites are.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]literalotherkin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This isn't a conservative movement. I think you answer your own question. I've experienced the same thing BTW when it comes to young people in the movement and one of the very things we all agree on is how much we hate 'conservatism' and how refreshing it is to have a genuinely right wing movement free of the conservative cancer. Conservatism is backward looking and reactive which is why it's always Liberalisms shadow. The DR, at its best, is a creative movement with plans for a different future not pathetic longing for an imagined past.

IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]literalotherkin 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've never argued for IQ absolutism as I call it and find it repugnant and short sighted. It's an overused word but it's the type of thing autistic people get obsessed with. I also wouldn't care if our avg IQ was 80 or 100 I'd still be a White racialist. This isn't some fancy IQ competition nor does it have anything to do with me wanting to preserve IQ for IQ's sake. Our accomplishments as a race are so vast and wonderous that they make defining us by a number insulting.

(PS I obviously think IQ is important especially in understanding the world and for general public policies I'm not dismissing it but it's not why I do this.)

More people are killed by gender reveal parties than White Supremacist Terrorists. by Fitter_Happier in debatealtright

[–]Theopolitics 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oy vey, I have been kicked from 109 colleges. It wasn't my fault.

Oy vey, I've had 109 girls dump me. Not my fault.

Oy vey, I've been arrested 109 times. It wasn't my fault.

https://lordmolyneaux.wordpress.com/2018/05/02/complete-list-of-jewish-expulsions-908/

Answering a normie question on Quora- Which is the country of the future- America or Russia? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]YJaewedwqewq 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Russia has plenty of potenial but doesn't use it, because they can't or won't for on ereason or another.

America will kill itself through federalism and Egalitarianism.

And you're right, China will rise up, or at least try to, however they are not a beacon of hope and goodness because they are strictly CapCom exploitationaries. They edit their history and are bent on enslaving anyone they can to fuel their GDP and output. They are even closer to a Corporatocratic government than the West is.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]YJaewedwqewq 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't exactly know why, but going to shcool with Black thugs who, along with and at the behest of Jews in the government and media, entice your peers into ruining their lives all the while pushing the narrative that you and your people are evil when history shows they've actually more or less been Atlas, lifting the shitskins out of the mud only to get kicked down into it as thanks, and helping push the "Justice" system to come down hard on your people while violent rapists get off scot free for being dark and pretending like it's the opposite.

Or maybe it's due to the fact that if you're incredibly bright and work hard you STILL have to push and aren't considered good enough, but blacks and gays who coast by on identity alone get into college free and get all the praise in the world while you're stuck with mediocre status and fucktons of debt. I imagine it's even worse for Europeans, too.

As a Zoomer, all of these things have pushed me into this school of thought. Even the peachy, sanitized news media shows the obvious racial disparities that exist between people of different ethnicities, their culture (or lack thereof), and their inherent genetic traits. Religion has also helped, because if you read the Bible and study history, then there's really no way to look at the things Jews do, back then and now, and not realize that not only are the Bible's predictions about their "Synagogue of Satan" 100% correct, but also that the Jews truly are inherently evil as a group.

More people are killed by gender reveal parties than White Supremacist Terrorists. by Fitter_Happier in debatealtright

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Dildo mortars and rainbow digital camo incoming.

Just wait until non-lethal rounds start containing shots of estrogen.

It's going to be a a stunning and brave and very gay new world.

Are professors of the liberal arts and humanities in the US generally tend to be this full of themselves? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Markimus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's a reason their language is the only one with a word for chutzpah lmao, and it's exactly what he's doing right here.

We need more activity on Ruqqus by YJaewedwqewq in debatealtright

[–]YJaewedwqewq[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. However, It has taken a solid 8-12 months to get discussion going on saidit. The only way ruqqus will increase is if we kill the saidit group which I really don't want to do without good reason. Maybe I will chat with my fellow mods and consider a 30 day slow move over to ruqqus. Even though we have more in depth conversation here we are lacking new blood.

I know, it's a risky thing. DAR has been a great community I've leaned on for resources and conversation since the Reddit days and would hate to see it die. But on the other hand, if we DON'T move, active participation will probably continue to decline or stagnate anyway. It's a difficult situation.

Ruqqus is just as susceptible to censorship over the long run

That is true, but so is everywhere really.

Even though the admin on saidit have been dismissive of us they haven't sent any indication that they want to get rid of us.

I've seen some hints of explicit bias against us. Magnora has in the past said and done things that I feel could indicate a bias against us, and Amelia has on many occasions said things that worry me when it comes to our sub and its peers (however he also runs s/Corporatism and a few other such subs). The removal from all thing is worrying as well, but that's been in effect for quite a while.

Also, sorry for the very late reply. Been busy the past few days, not to mention that, if this post didn't already indicate, I've been moving away from Saidit for various reasons.

Are professors of the liberal arts and humanities in the US generally tend to be this full of themselves? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very zero-sum thinking of them. I suppose that shouldn't be surprising given the Judeo-Bolshevik-Communist connection.

IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My thoughts exactly.

Are professors of the liberal arts and humanities in the US generally tend to be this full of themselves? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Chipit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Amazing. He deleted the tweet right in the middle of me trying to read the replies.

A total elitist piece of shit. People like him were put in charge. They used their positions to absolutely wreck the lives of everyone else and had a wonderful time doing it. Fuck elites. 8 of the 15 participants at the Wannsee Conference had Ph.Ds.

Are professors of the liberal arts and humanities in the US generally tend to be this full of themselves? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Markimus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My guess is that he's like a fish who is quite content in his water and is completely unaware of things because he likely agrees with them.

My guess is he's a jew flexing his power by blatantly lying because he knows all the plebs who get mad can't do anything about it. Just by the over the top narcissistic tweets you can tell it's partially bait because he wants the tweet to go viral so he can smugly rub it in everyone's faces. Jews flexing like this is very common. It's not enough that they win, they have to make sure everyone else not only loses but knows that they're losing and powerless, it's all part of their sick sadism and fascination with humiliation.

More people are killed by gender reveal parties than White Supremacist Terrorists. by Fitter_Happier in debatealtright

[–]casparvoneverec 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Oy vey, how antisemitic! This is hateful conspiracy theory that seeks the extermination of 6 gorillion Jews!

Haven't the chosen suffered enough? I immediately call upon the 6th trans brigade to launch artillery strikes on this Hitler!

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Markimus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair I did specify this

that's actually funny

IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]casparvoneverec[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Eugenics is a time tested and safer bet. Gene editing is iffy because it involves number of genes that are polygenic and they act in conjunction with a myriad of other genes that might have cascading effects further down the road. I mean, the Chinese have been trying to make the math genius via genetic engineering for some time and have little to show for it

IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]casparvoneverec[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Intelligence is probably more important than conscientiousness overall.

True. I'm just saying that IQ shouldn't be held as this absolute unit by which all else has to be measured

Should Hitler have won WW2? by WeastGang in debatealtright

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He was never pro-white, he merely believed in German Supremacy.

That's not true, AFAIK, he would have loved to work well with the Brits, French, Scandinavians, et al. I believe he did hate the Poles and perhaps Slavs in general but he was NOT about world conquest for a Nazi global empire.

Should Hitler have won WW2? by WeastGang in debatealtright

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If the allies had sided with Germany against Russia the world would be a much better place. Every single stakeholder in WWII would have been better off. Hitler's ambitions are not to my taste but he had legit concerns all around; Jews, Russia, communism, etc. Russia would have been reigned in early, no Cold War, no nukes, no globohomo. The allies could have inserted themselves into Eastern conflicts and modulated Germany. Obviously just speculation but that's my impression.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]TheSalemander 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

if anything it'd be better. White Zoomers are easily the most based generation yet and this trend will only continue.

IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

eugenics/gene editing will help create not just the smartest people

Better to bet on eugenic mating than gene editing.

There appears to be too much genetic architecture to simply swap letters out. IIRC, even IVF pregnancies result in impair glucose tolerance (think it's because of the high concentration in the media they use).

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cen.14270

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4236136/

Eugenic breeding is a better solution. CRISPR and gene-editing technologies are too reductionist. They don't know what other layers of regulation may exist, and it's far too complex to simply manipulate through trial and error. Breeding on the other hand creates more stable lines, as the other variables are left to balance by their own mechanisms, and it takes more time, which can be good or bad depending on your perception of it (good that it isn't too much too soon, or bad if we've wasted a lot of time with bad methodology). IMO, it's best to not rush these things, nature likes homeostasis.

IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you that IQ alone isn't adequate, but it is still necessary. You've just identified other necessary components.

Population size is an important piece of this. Presently our populations are so large that having those high IQ people isn't as big of a deal.

With a sufficiently large population you end up with sufficient number of people beyond whatever IQ cut-off is required to keep the cogs of our civilization in motion.

As demographics shift and affirmative action policies continue to proliferate, the problems of mismatching people and occupations will only worsen.

As an example, I recall some counties not having enough minority officers because they couldn't pass the tests, so they lowered the bar. So now the government has enacted dysgenic policies to give people that were previously deemed too dumb firearms, authority, and insulation from consequences. If police records with this information are publicly available, any associations between these scores and instances of police misconduct will make for interesting headlines.

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The statistics might be misleading with Botswana. It's one of the least population-dense countries in the world, and most of its economy is based around mining/natural resources. Not that GDP is a great way to evaluate a country's standard of living.

Then where does the IQ cut off come into play? Pretty much every nation in history got their start from trading resources so I find it suspicious why it "doesn't count" anymore. Even more so, they take the money they make from this industry, so they can fund other projects. Like in Rwanda, the country is capable of building their own smartphones now. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-rwanda-telecoms-idUSKBN1WM1TN

Ukraine has a similar level of development to the other former Soviet states, all of which suffered with the collapse of the USSR.

So it's not really genetics then that explains the irregularities in nation development. I'm glad we can agree then.

And just think about this for a second. I don't actually believe the plight of Ukrainians is because they're too "stupid" to fix themselves. Especially in third world countries, every day is a fight for survival. In more developed countries like the West, you don't always have to worry about getting shot just going to the grocery store. Or losing your only Hospital in town to foreign drone strikes. Yet this is reality for people living in constant warzones.

That an idea has been thought of somewhere before doesn't mean we have access to it. This is sort of besides the point.

But what are these "ideas" you are talking about? Again, such knowledge has to be worth billions so I can tell Microsoft or Apple how exactly they should run their businesses going forward.

The Flynn Effect is a limited phenomenon, where IQ rises some amount due to nutrition and sanitation. It's not the only thing affecting IQ, and IQ doesn't need to rise in order for civilization to advance if IQ is already at a sufficient level.

That still doesn't debunk what I said. I even pointed out, most Africans don't even have the luxury of living in the cities or getting good food. Industrialization and development is still an ongoing process that we wont know when they'll be finished with it. But at the same time, African countries continue to make huge advances that should never have been possible.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Soylent 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Probably more of an American thing. He just happens to be really popular among younger generations.

Answering a normie question on Quora- Which is the country of the future- America or Russia? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Ethnocrat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. I was just curious.

IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]DeepCrimsonPill 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some thoughts on the non-intelligence related peculiarities of other races and how it relates to their culture:

Blacks - Seem to have very low levels of neuroticism, high confidence. This allows them to succeed in places where you really need some "Do not give a fuck" energy - rapping, dancing, comedy, etc. But this gives them difficulty creating art that tackles existential issues, in fact they just find them to be stupid. It is a shield from mental anguish that prevents them from the highest form of art.

Hispanics - Not sure how replicable this is, but apparently Mexican Americans have the highest testosterone of the races. Might have to do with their history of their native ancestors holding a muli-century war game with the losers sacrificed to the winners. Several hundred years later, despite admixture and Christianity, they still bring back to life a fucking death Goddess.

Middle Easterners - I think what many thinkers miss about Middle Eastern religion is that ethnocentrism may be responsible for its radical differences from the rest of the world. If you are so ethnocentric that you believe that only your race has access to the truth, then that implies there is no perfect correlation with the rest of the world and divinity. Hence the need for prophets and the idea of the world as in a fallen state.

East Asians - This one is interesting because we've actually found genes associated with their tendency to conformity. East Asians should be predisposed to depression from this gene, but we find the exact opposite occurring. What probably is happening is that enough people have this gene so they can build a society that deals with this risk of depression together, and end up even more healthy because of it. This is most obvious in anime, where there's the eternal trope of getting one's power from friendships instead of seizing power through one's own will. This stupid comic unintentionally exposes racial differences.

Are professors of the liberal arts and humanities in the US generally tend to be this full of themselves? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good replies

https://twitter.com/ZachGunslinger/status/1364686839383093249

https://twitter.com/davidlane_22/status/1364653834174300177

Meanwhile, no surprise here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Stanley#Early_life_and_education

Sounds like a real authority on many important issues

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Fascism_Works

So here we have a (what I can only presume is a leftwing) prof stating that Trump et al. are purveyors of fascism and authoritarianism (amazing he allowed what was apparently a fraudulent election to remove him from office) who is gaslighting the public on the threat of CRT/wokeness in academia, saying it's a non-issue, despite numerous counter-examples of the toxicity of it in the public record and memory, e.g. censoring talks, policing speech, getting people fired, etc. And he has the gall to call his opponents the authoritarians (fascists in his words, which is grossly misapplied).

My guess is that he's like a fish who is quite content in his water and is completely unaware of things because he likely agrees with them.

Are professors of the liberal arts and humanities in the US generally tend to be this full of themselves? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Ethnocrat 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jason Stanley is a hack. If you want a real scholar of fascism you should read Roger Griffin.

IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Soylent 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yet, compare the cultural, scientific and architectural output of France to Korea and Japan over the last 1000 years. They don't even come close to France, despite the fact that there are 170 million Japs and Koreans compared to a mere 51 million White French.

Japan modernized impressively fast and defeated Russia in 1905. Korea was a tributary state of China for a long time. East Asians still invented things like firearms. I realize France has more overall achievement than those two mentioned and conscientiousness is likely why that is as a study showed Europeans had higher conscientiousness than Asians:

Counter to past studies, the two groups were not significantly different on Agreeableness, and European Americans scored higher on Conscientiousness. The finding that European Americans score higher on Extraversion than people of Asian descent is consistent with past studies (Mastor et al., 2000; McCrae et al., 1998)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2630227/

The difference in intelligence between East Asians and Europeans simply isn't enough to make up for their difference in achievement. It's not a lot. Intelligence is probably more important than conscientiousness overall.

Conservatives Betray Dutch Nationalists - American Renaissance by lolhedabbin in debatealtright

[–]Ethnocrat 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anti-fascists criticize her for her relationship with Julien Rochedy, former head of the National Youth Front.

Julien is great. Look him up on YouTube.

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]pcpmasterrace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Having an Average IQ of 60 would not explain why an African country like Botswana has surpassed a European country like Ukraine in GDP per capita.

The statistics might be misleading with Botswana. It's one of the least population-dense countries in the world, and most of its economy is based around mining/natural resources. Not that GDP is a great way to evaluate a country's standard of living. Ukraine has a similar level of development to the other former Soviet states, all of which suffered with the collapse of the USSR.

How do you know "everything's been thought of"? If I had such knowledge, wouldn't you think to make bank off of it?

That an idea has been thought of somewhere before doesn't mean we have access to it. This is sort of besides the point. The Flynn Effect is a limited phenomenon, where IQ rises some amount due to nutrition and sanitation. It's not the only thing affecting IQ, and IQ doesn't need to rise in order for civilization to advance if IQ is already at a sufficient level.

Should Hitler have won WW2? by WeastGang in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not in 1939.

German invasion began on the 1st of September. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Border

Soviets on the 17th. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

Both countries were monsters and eventually crumbled so I'm not sure what you expect. The USSR folded in 1991 so we can't declare war on them anymore. :(

Should Hitler have won WW2? by WeastGang in debatealtright

[–]Ethnocrat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The USSR invaded Poland before the Germans invaded Russia.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Ethnocrat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are American numbers. This is not the case in Europe.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Ethnocrat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who the fuck is Eric Andre?

France Cracks Down On Generation Identitaire, And Creates A New Star (With bonus video) by Jacinda in debatealtright

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Find something better than

IQ isn't the be all, end all of society. People shouldn't be caught up in Molyneux tier IQ essentialism. by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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You can also compare 85 IQ countries in South America and Asia vs 85 IQ Middle Eastern countries or the African-American population. I do believe that some day soon we will have a detailed breakdown of personality traits by ethnic population though, and eugenics/gene editing will help create not just the smartest people, but also the greatest artists, thinkers, heroes, etc. So far the only gene study I know of is for Asian genes for conformity.

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If Sub-Saharans have an average IQ of 75 today, they would have had an average IQ of 60 up to about 1960. That's entirely believable. https://www.amren.com/news/2017/10/morality-racial-differences/

Having an Average IQ of 60 would not explain why an African country like Botswana has surpassed a European country like Ukraine in GDP per capita. Unless you want to believe most Europeans in the past were below sub-mental retardation levels, there is nothing in science to defend your claims.

These countries were actively destroyed by the Western financial powers because Jews felt threatened.

They destroyed all of Africa and feel threatened by them. To this day, France still pushes BS Colonial taxes on former French colonies that messes with their development. And I haven't even talked about the Western sponsored wars and dictators who continue to oppress African people. So if you're point is Africa is still being meddled with to this day and having their economics thrown in ruin, I completely agree with you. The Elites are stopping Africa from being free.

The Flynn Effect is basically over. Though, if Africans wanted to approximate advanced civilization, they could get there eventually with an intensive eugenics program. If anyone stands to benefit from eugenics, it's Africans.

They're still advancing so Eugenics does not appear to be necessary. And how is the flynn effect over when they're still not done industrializing? In fact, one notable characteristic of Africa is how rural and spread out a lot of their communities are. It's only in more recent times are more Africans moving to the cities and thus the massive gains in IQ is just the beginning for them.

Albert Einstein was a fraud and a thief.

Thanks.

I don't see the connection here. But everything's probably been thought of at some point somewhere, even if it would be new to modern society. Nothing new under the sun and all that.

How do you know "everything's been thought of"? If I had such knowledge, wouldn't you think to make bank off of it? Tell the people working on the next generation of robots or computers to stop because they wont get better. Or tell Steve Jobs that he shouldn't have came up with the iPhone. Those bulky giant headsets from the 1990s was all the future had in store for technology.

Similarly, where is the ceiling for civilization? Our healthcare systems are far from perfect, especially as the Covid pandemic exposed massive weaknesses to how we traditionally run things. Yet nobody wants to be stuck living like this forever, there will always be people who want to push society forward.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Ethnocrat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What makes you think we're a conservative movement?

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]pcpmasterrace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you think Africans had an IQ of 50 or less in the 1900s? Less than mental retardation? No, that's pure insanity.

If Sub-Saharans have an average IQ of 75 today, they would have had an average IQ of 60 up to about 1960. That's entirely believable. https://www.amren.com/news/2017/10/morality-racial-differences/

Rhodesia is dead and Libya was recently thrown into a civil war.

These countries were actively destroyed by the Western financial powers because Jews felt threatened.

So Africans are selecting geniuses over time? Isn't that the entire point why mankind WONT have a ceiling if every generation is getting smarter thanks to better food and education?

The Flynn Effect is basically over. Though, if Africans wanted to approximate advanced civilization, they could get there eventually with an intensive eugenics program. If anyone stands to benefit from eugenics, it's Africans.

Most humans in general are not as smart as Albert Einstein so it's not the above of all reason to live or contribute.

Albert Einstein was a fraud and a thief.

So if there's a ceiling, we should never expect anymore brilliant ideas or success stories?

I don't see the connection here. But everything's probably been thought of at some point somewhere, even if it would be new to modern society. Nothing new under the sun and all that.

Conservatives Betray Dutch Nationalists - American Renaissance by lolhedabbin in debatealtright

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I heard that Thierry sold out and became a complete zion shill. He supposedly dropped all based talk and collapsed in the polls afterwards.

As for conservatives, when are they not betraying nationalists? Those den of cuckolds, whose ultimate goal is to kiss shlomo's feet so that they can get a few more shekels in the bank account and perhaps buy a yacht down the road

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is there to argue? People who immigrate from the third world don't have to be stupid. If you look at Canada, they actually have a very serious immigration test. Yet India, China, Nigeria, Jamaica still make up most of their new arrivals compared to Europeans.

Answering a normie question on Quora- Which is the country of the future- America or Russia? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]casparvoneverec[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do you think they come to these universities?

They come to these universities, because they were founded in a golden age, has a shit ton endowment by rich alumni and they have brand value. California's is over 45% of Mexican. The reason the IQ isn't rock bottom is because it hosts the most elite students of East Asia and a lot of upper middle class whites.

The prosperity is all concentrated in the bay area and some rich counties. The vast majority of the state is effectively Mexico with drug cartels, shit on streets and sanitation so bad that the bubonic plague has arrived. Millions of people have left ''le golden state'' over the last decade.

Plus, the reason all those bigbrains go there is because they come to America to make money and the big corporations are in California and New York, the two hives of American Jewry. But decades of hyper-Jewish rule has led to a state where even tech oligarchs like Thiel are leaving for Texas.

And again, the teachers of those universities are rarely, if ever born and raised in California. They are Chinese, Korean, Indian and European. The only ''native'' professors are probably nepotistic Jews.

Its running on the fumes of institutions built by a WASP majority in the 80s, that's evaporated in the last 3 decades. Its the most unequal state in the US and a completely decadent hellscape where its not illegal for you to intentionally infect someone with AIDS.

Russia has an IQ of about 98-99 and its due to 10% or so of the population being Armenians, inbred Chechens, Lezhegs and some Siberian tribes. Ukraine has a similar IQ.

One must take into count that these countries have had massive brain drain in the last 30 years, and both these countries underwent a near civilization collapse as recently as the 90s. Then there's the added issue of incessant wars and Jewish oligarchs, and KGB thugs.

Portugal has lowest IQ of Western Europe. But still, when it comes to crime, culture, stability, inequality and ease of life, all these countries are vastly ahead of California.

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why? It's probably still below 80.

So you think Africans had an IQ of 50 or less in the 1900s? Less than mental retardation? No, that's pure insanity.

What development? They may have large relative growth today, but it's still quite small in absolute terms. The most developed African countries were run by Whites (Rhodesia) or Arabs (Libya). Ethiopia might have been the most powerful Black-run country, but Ethiopians still have 30%+ Arab admixture.

Look, I know you're Far-Right, but this paragraph shows you never even tried to research the opposite of what's going on. Rhodesia is dead and Libya was recently thrown into a civil war. There have been a lot of development and urbanization going on in Africa, especially as foreign investors continue to take risks and look for opportunities. You can see one example right now in Lagos, Nigeria. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWziLixtBEk

We're not selecting for genius horses/dogs, we've selected for obedience. There are also thermodynamic limits imposed by their diets.

So Africans are selecting geniuses over time? Isn't that the entire point why mankind WONT have a ceiling if every generation is getting smarter thanks to better food and education?

It's really not that much in the grand scheme of things.

Keep in mind that's just the average for the continent. More localized studies showed massive gains of 20 IQ points in places like rural Kenya. https://www.samefacts.com/iq-gains-in-rural-kenya/

Regardless, it doesn't have to be a dick measuring contest. Most humans in general are not as smart as Albert Einstein so it's not the above of all reason to live or contribute.

We've probably reached that ceiling, and you are seeing average IQs in the developed world begin to drop (not just because of demographic replacement).

So if there's a ceiling, we should never expect anymore brilliant ideas or success stories? When I go to bed tonight, I will never think about trying to improve my life the next day or think of ways to improve humanity that was never done in the past? That's a bold claim if intelligence was really static.

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]casparvoneverec 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Instead speaking in maze-like dialectic like a subversive, can you lay out what a society under your vision would like?

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

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I've personally seen several times, in this sub, at least one user suggesting that "america should allow High-iq blacks and/or other aliens to stay". I can't see however the point insisting in a trivial matter such as IQ, that is like saying that we should segregate people according to the score in a test, a sort of mensa-based state.

Should Hitler have won WW2? by WeastGang in debatealtright

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe that the outcome wouldn't have been good in the long run. The first to suffer would be people of the Baltic countries, Serbia and Ukraine, and gradually other countries would follow. Horia Sima described the situation in Romania in his memoirs.

In any case, the execution of Gregory Strasser and the abolition of his approach led to the belief that there was little need for internal reform if the eastern countries could be colonized.

These days we see how the world is and think that another outcome might have been better but forget that this outcome would just be the start of a different colonial age.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Soylent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We basically have a monopoly on all comedic content that's actually funny on the whole internet.

The half-Jew half-black comedian Eric Andre is extremely popular among Gen Z and millennials. So not quite the whole internet.

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]cisheteroscum 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's nothing incorrect about it. IQ is a good argument against third world immigration. I never said its the "reason" it's happening, that's a separate issue

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

IQ is a sword and a shield for racialists. It's a shield against allegations of "institutionalized racism" and endless third world immigration,

Your last part is incorrect. The reason for third world immigration comes from Capitalism and the declining birth rates. Multibillion CEO's don't care how smart or dumb a person is. What they care about is population growth so GDP and the Pension system doesn't crash.

Answering a normie question on Quora- Which is the country of the future- America or Russia? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]Soylent 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

California is dead last when it comes to average IQ, SAT scores or high school education.

The average IQ of California is 95.5 so it's the same as Russia, Ukraine or Portugal despite only being 37% white.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-by-state

https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

Its inflated numbers on GDP and graduation rates are due to the fact that some of the smartest in America and the world go there to work in Silicon valley or study in places like UBC, ULA or Caltech. They don't produce those people themselves. They are a parasitic entity.

Why do you think they come to these universities? People come to get their degrees at California universities because they are good. California obviously built the foundation that appealed to intellectuals around the entire country. Learning from California universities is California producing these people. Many companies are started here where the founder was born anyway, Apple being one example.

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]pcpmasterrace 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How low could African IQ could be in the 1900s? I'm sorry but anything below 80 just isn't possible.

Why? It's probably still below 80.

At some point there had to be a convergence since economic development has never stopped in these countries and in fact, it continues to rise to this day at a huge pace.

What development? They may have large relative growth today, but it's still quite small in absolute terms. The most developed African countries were run by Whites (Rhodesia) or Arabs (Libya). Ethiopia might have been the most powerful Black-run country, but Ethiopians still have 30%+ Arab admixture.

Plenty of animals have been domesticated for the same time, yet we still don't see Horse civilization or dogs being trained to use computers.

We're not selecting for genius horses/dogs, we've selected for obedience. There are also thermodynamic limits imposed by their diets.

15 points is a hell of a lot to gain instead of these African or Asian people staying the same because of genes.

It's really not that much in the grand scheme of things.

Basically, how will we know there's a ceiling when humans can no longer improve their IQ and how do you prove such a thing?

We've probably reached that ceiling, and you are seeing average IQs in the developed world begin to drop (not just because of demographic replacement).

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]cisheteroscum 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

IQ is a sword and a shield for racialists. It's a shield against allegations of "institutionalized racism" and endless third world immigration, and a sword against groups who manage to achieve managerial positions far beyond what merits IQ would suggest

It doesn't have to be a fundamental component to race in a spiritual way, but it's a necessary and objective empirical tool to use in discussions on race and white advocacy in modern discourse

if on the contrary we try to give truth values to such elements INDEPENDENTLY from their racial context, these values become universal, referable to every human individual, so that race stops being an organic factor

Intelligence is just one (empirical) psychological aspect in which races differ.

which often suggests that it would be a good idea to let live with “whites” the "non -whites" more intellectually gifted.

No one argues for this. If race and IQ becomes a convincing argument to some person who makes the point to say "well then high-IQ Asians and Jews must be ok!!" then the argument against complete segregation is already 80% over.

IQ is just one (but the best) tool in any racialist's arsenal, that's it.

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This graph isn't comparing raw IQ over time between these regions, it's comparing the change in IQ from the region's baseline. That Africans have gained an average of 15 points since 1960 does NOT imply that Africans have an average IQ 15 points higher than 1909 Europeans.

How low could African IQ could be in the 1900s? I'm sorry but anything below 80 just isn't possible. At some point there had to be a convergence since economic development has never stopped in these countries and in fact, it continues to rise to this day at a huge pace. Not to mention, big improvements in literacy as well (i.e only 20% of Russians could read in 1897, compare that to 87% of South Africans in 2017).

Intelligence is biologically expensive, and it won't be selected for unless it really matters. They will gain intelligence in some cases, but that's going to happen over hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of years. We're not seeing evolution here. The averages rise because we've largely eliminated malnutrition and various parasitic infections - disease states which reduce effective IQ below someone's biological potential.

Plenty of animals have been domesticated for the same time, yet we still don't see Horse civilization or dogs being trained to use computers. I agree about the malnutrition and parasitic infection but, 15 points is a hell of a lot to gain instead of these African or Asian people staying the same because of genes. Basically, how will we know there's a ceiling when humans can no longer improve their IQ and how do you prove such a thing?

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]pcpmasterrace 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Africa is last yet by 2020 standards, the average African is still technically smarter than the average European from the 1900s. Also, look what happened to Asia. They only surpassed America in IQ in 1980.

This graph isn't comparing raw IQ over time between these regions, it's comparing the change in IQ from the region's baseline. That Africans have gained an average of 15 points since 1960 does NOT imply that Africans have an average IQ 15 points higher than 1909 Europeans.

Yet how come other animals like rabbits, dogs, birds don't gain intelligence over time if genes played the biggest role?

Intelligence is biologically expensive, and it won't be selected for unless it really matters. They will gain intelligence in some cases, but that's going to happen over hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of years. We're not seeing evolution here. The averages rise because we've largely eliminated malnutrition and various parasitic infections - disease states which reduce effective IQ below someone's biological potential.

Conservatives Betray Dutch Nationalists - American Renaissance by lolhedabbin in debatealtright

[–]lolhedabbin[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

/u/Ethnocrat i'm sure you'll find this interesting. Whatever issues Thierry has, he's an incredibly capable politician. One of the very best we have on our side

Average IQ of Native Americans without admixture? by Soylent in debatealtright

[–]cisheteroscum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see your 1994 paper

It's more of a survey, not a paper

raise you a 2000 one by Raven himself

Lol - John C Raven died in 1970. This article is by his son, J Raven junior

there has been a continuous increase in the scores at all levels of ability over time."

The Flynn Effect is not on g.. The "Flynn Effect" also appears to have no effect on group differences. Flynn admits this:

The magnitude of white/ black IQ differences on Wechsler subtests at any given time is correlated with the g loadings of the subtests; the magnitude of IQ gains over time on subtests is not usually so correlated; the causes of the two phenomena are not the same.” Flynn, 2013

Just continue reading from your own excerpt:

".. On the other hand, variation in scores between cultural groups which do differ on a variable which has also changed over time and been suggested as a possible explanation of the time differences strengthens the possibility of that variable playing a significant role in the process. Thorndike (1977) and Garfinkel and Thorndike (1976) listed a number of possible explanations of the time trends. However, the data available on the Progressive Matrices do not really support any them.

i think it is fair to say that the culture of a place today is not the same as it was 50 years ago. In other words, those two time points represent different cultures.

This "culture" argument has just always been dumb and gay, sorry. Why would ""culture"" affect intelligence so much? What aspect of "culture" is so different since 1950 for example to make people smarter? Watching more tik-tok videos and Netflix? Presumably you mean something like "education" or "socioeconomic status," - well, from your same paper:

"..Flynn (having, in 1984, queried Thorndike’s hypotheses concerning the Binet results) likewise concluded in his 1987 article that most ofthe common and obvious explanations of the RPM increase do not hold up. Among other things, he showed, through a detailed analysis of de Leeuw and Meester’s (1984) data, that changes in the amount of education people have could account for only 1 point of the 20-point IQ gain in RPM scores documented among servicemen. Changes in the intellectual quality of the home environment—at least insofar as it is indexed by SES—could account for little more."

So basically, egalitarians are stuffed. The Flynn Effect is real - but it's not on g, and we don't have a lot of good reasons for why this is happening (and even experts aren't even sure) (p.27). It's also probably over, as our genetic decline in intelligence outpaces our secular rise in IQ

I'm just ignoring your middle section. You can fantasize about some hitherto "untested" aspects of intelligence if you want and what they could mean for race and IQ differences - but in the meantime, g captures most anything we practically care about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)#Practical_validity and we have data on it for almost a century

when I was working with raven's matricies, the tests stopped being valid, because I stopped thinking about them as I was solving them, and could just pick the right answers without working them out, as quickly as I could write the answers down

Yeah all IQ tests lose their g-loadedness as you memorize them, something that has been known for decades.

My interest is in the upper end of the intelligence range, not with the general population

Ok well we're interested in both and the mean is especially relevant for racial outcomes in multiracial societies

They did very well

By what metric

I'd spend more time on your comment but no one is going to see it and you should just make a post on IQ/g instead.

France Cracks Down On Generation Identitaire, And Creates A New Star (With bonus video) by Jacinda in debatealtright

[–]lolhedabbin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then i'm afraid you haven't been paying attention my friend. Continental Europe has always been much more based than the Anglosphere. France being one of the best examples of this

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Markimus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't even think it is this to be honest, I think it's just that we're in the meme generation and literally all the memes come from our guys.

I think the majority of our guys came over because they were seeking fresh memes so they went to 4chan or they randomly came across MDE, Moon Man and other shit like this. We basically have a monopoly on all comedic content that's actually funny on the whole internet.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]sylla94 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought it would be the other way around. i.e they'd know nothing else and thus wouldn't find it so jarring, whereas older people might notice the change.

Answering a normie question on Quora- Which is the country of the future- America or Russia? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]casparvoneverec[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The thing is that California is a node in a largely functional empire. Other states keep the power on, defend the borders, produce crops and the combined economy of the US allows for its large corporations to centralize at one focal point.

California's economy is extremely top heavy. About 1% of the population pay half or more of the taxes. Its great wealth is simply owing to the fact that the talent of all America goes to silicon valley for work. Its not that it produces talent itself. California is dead last when it comes to average IQ, SAT scores or high school education.

Its inflated numbers on GDP and graduation rates are due to the fact that some of the smartest in America and the world go there to work in Silicon valley or study in places like UBC, ULA or Caltech. They don't produce those people themselves. They are a parasitic entity. The technological services they produce also only has relevancy because they have access to the military might provided by the other states and access to the wider American economy.

If it was an independent state, all these corporations and academics would flee tomorrow to NY or Texas and it would simply be Mexico north

Against IQ fetish and other forms of americanism by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]radicalcentrist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not even upset at the concept that race and IQ exist, but after reading about the flynn effect, it shows that we don't actually understand how the brain truly works.

For example, look at this chart that compares the growth of IQ scores over time.

https://i.imgur.com/bN3SPo7.png

Africa is last yet by 2020 standards, the average African is still technically smarter than the average European from the 1900s. Yet how come other animals like rabbits, dogs, birds don't gain intelligence over time if genes played the biggest role? Also, look what happened to Asia. They only surpassed America in IQ in 1980. Yet how come places like Japan were still doing ok when they were in fact "dumber" than the West? Something doesn't add up about this research that we can just define cultural achievements by a single number.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Letssavethefirsworld 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gen Z is also the most diverse generation ever, so naturally all those new diverse people will approve.

Cohencidentilly, if you just poll gen z whites they disapprove of diversity more than their predecessors. That's what I read from data I saw a few years ago so it could be outdated after the BLM shit

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]cisheteroscum 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gen Z is also less white. We're talking about white dissidents specifically

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]DeepCrimsonPill 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have more baggage to throw of with each generation to accept radical politics. Millennials have to admit their war for rationality has lead to the least rational state in human existence. Gen Xers have to confront their "rebellion" was completely in-line with the core principles of the system. Worst of all, Boomers have to learn that their entire life was a lie - everything their parents fought, they fought, and the values they taught their children were based on a misunderstanding of how the world works. Deprogramming requires a lot of time, effort, and humility people don't have.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Soylent 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because the system is so terrible that young people who have to grow up in it are most aware of how disgusting, traumatizing, and awful it is.

Zoomers are usually liberal on a larger scale though. Their generation votes most heavily that diversity is good for society.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/01/PSDT_1.17.19_generations-00.png?resize=773,405

Maybe Gen Z is also the most polarized generation which could explain OP's observation.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Bagarmoossen 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Zoomers are growing up with social media, horrible diets a nihilistic cultural atmosphere and zero economic prospects. The lockdowns have only made it worse. This leads them to a doom and gloom mentality. I see this in many people I know.

Now, this doesn't necessarily lead them to the dissident right but it leads them away from mainstream conservatism. Either to the far left non-binary black hole or to the dissident right, which also has a nihilistic part to it in the sense of wanting to destroy the current system and take revenge on the elites. Zoomers don't feel any attachment to this current model of society and have a higher tolerance for radicalism, their lives simply suck and this is evident from the proliferation of severe mental illness.

Update on the dissolution off Génération Identitaire by lolhedabbin in debatealtright

[–]Oingo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a false dichotomy. In reality, we should be moving our movements on all fronts simultaneously: a public party with good optics and possibility of getting elected, underground movements for more radical people, cultural ones where people attempt to make an impact on music and art, etc.
As long as they're race conscious, that's all we need to bind us together in these hard times.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Truefear 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm a christian, but I admit i'm not too devout. If christianity is what saves us, cool. If what saves my people is an alternate ideology, then i'll probably adopt that.

As for cultural degeneracy, gen Zs drink less and have less sex than older generations. We're also less prone to divorce.
If you mean our fashion, aestheticism, and taste in music, I think that's simply due to the tendency for kids to rebel against the established culture.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Oingo[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How do you feel about declining christian values in the west, and the cultural degeneracy of the youth today?

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Oingo[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As a gen X, there's definitely truth with regards to the idea that wealthy boomers are shielded from the effects of modernity. We shouldn't have allowed things to get this bad.

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]Truefear 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Older 'Zoomer' here, this is probably an unpopular view but I wouldn't say the type of politics thats gaining steam in my generation is necessarily a 'conservative' one. Yes, we're enamored by the 70s-80s aesthetic, but we don't want to go back to the past.

White gen z's were completely fucked over by our elders. They were ultimately too weak to secure a future for us, and now we're facing historical mental health issues, anti white hatred, and discrimination in college and work. As far as i'm concerned, I don't want to wind back the clock, I want a fundamental reset.

Right now, with the housing prices, price of college, and demographic trends, there's no hope for our future. I don't really care about most cultural aspects of the right. I listen to modern music and enjoy traveling and encountering other cultures. All I care about is having a nation friendly to white people.

I know most boomers and older millennials laugh at the mental health issues held by young white kids, but there's a genuine psychological impact in constantly being told that you and your people are evil.

Opinion of the red-green-brown alliance by Courbeaux in debatealtright

[–]Markimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here's the Gaddafi quote: "We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades." The man did indeed want to conquer europe through demographics

So what? He gives a speech to his people moralising them against the west that were attacking him. In action what did he do? He stopped the tidal wave of Africans coming to Europe. To add to this this quote isn't even correct so what does it matter? Anyone in Europe can tell you what pakis and arabs are like, they are godless degenerate bugmen, liberalism has conquered Islam.

You never did but the problem is simply that they don't need to ally with us simply because if thngs don't change they'll eventually become majorities in our countries because they have high tfr.

This makes no sense. How do pakis being in England with no power or Turks being in Germany with no power possibly benefit Iran, Syria or any other state in the ME that might be willing to work with us? I really don't see how you are making these weird leaps that make no sense just because these people nominally share a religion. In the case of Syria there's Sunnis and Shias and Orthodox Christians, the government is secular too. Iran is a Shia theocracy, the vast majority of muslims in England for example of sunni pakistanis, do you think they view sunni pakistanis are political agents on their side helping them 'conquer England'? It really makes literally no sense.

You never did but the problem is simply that they don't need to ally with us simply because if thngs don't change they'll eventually become majorities in our countries because they have high tfr.

Do you

Insulting me won't bring us anywhere, I just have no sympathy for muslims and their religion in general because they are a historical enemy of europe and still occupy european land. (Western anatolia and Costantinople which belong to Greece, and half of Cyprus)

LARP. Go play your medieval video games and stop shitting up serious political forums with your 1000 year old fantasies.

Little question for you, are you perhaps a muslim?

no

[Serious]For a conservative movement, why do dissident right circles seem to have a disproportionate number of zoomers and young people? by Oingo in debatealtright

[–]cisheteroscum 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because the system is so terrible that young people who have to grow up in it are most aware of how disgusting, traumatizing, and awful it is.

When you're an established boomer who has a stable income and can narrowly focus on your career, groups of friends, or hobbies on the internet you can insualte yourself from terrible globohomo culture and state indoctrination at public schools. Zoomers and millennials can't do this, so they have the suffer the brunt of globohomo propaganda, instituionalized racial discrimination against whites, and the gutter of popular culture. Boomers also didn't have the internet (or aren't as savvy) and didn't have to grow up with social media. Zoomers and millennials are more connected to this and the educated ones are more politically aware of what is actually going on. They also have more interaction with nonwhites than boomers do, so the whole "hurr durr race is just skin color" boomerism doesn't fly with many more them

France Cracks Down On Generation Identitaire, And Creates A New Star (With bonus video) by Jacinda in debatealtright

[–]Oingo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Never thought the French right wing movement would be more active than the british one. Good job France, shame on you Britain.

Solzhenitsyn's 200 Years Together, Part 1 | Counter-Currents. Spencer J. Quinn makes the case that learning Solzhenitsyn's arguments on the JQ will fortify your arsenal. by Fitter_Happier in debatealtright

[–]PunisherStickerGuy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look, I'm gonna wrap this since I don't have time for a complete historical survey or to translate a book written in Russian. Just remember we have the advantage of historical perspective and that folks were living in an extremely oppressive society under the monarchy. The ideas of the Bolsheviks were just that, new ideas proposed as an alternative to ultra rich assholes ruling over them. Sure, it failed, but it's easy to judge from our perspective on it modern age without experiencing what they were experiencing.

25 Great Thinkers Of The Right by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

[–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude you haven't read what I've written and you haven't answered none of my questions, you're either a troll or extremely low iq.

25 Great Thinkers Of The Right by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, go pray to 1 million gods and keep enjoying getting destroyed by kikes and child fuckers

25 Great Thinkers Of The Right by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

[–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude that religion is completely opposite to our culture and civilization, that religion is for Arabs and Arabs only, we need the old christianity or simply paganism.

25 Great Thinkers Of The Right by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Didnt say we needed to import brown people

25 Great Thinkers Of The Right by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

[–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You haven't answered my questions?

Should Hitler have won WW2? by WeastGang in debatealtright

[–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hitler's most dishonorable action was when he ordered that Germany itself be razed to the ground to spare the people from the shame of defeat

Source.

He had gone fully loco by the last 3 years of the war, driven mad by paranoia, delusions of grandeur, and most alarmingly, a meth addiction.

Source that's not one of the 11 Jewish historians that are 'approved' by governments to write about this topic. (wikipedia is not a source either)

Eric Striker and other Hitler worshippers should really read up on the war itself

Calling the mainstream anti Hitler narrative bunk is not Hitler worship. Striker and guys like Ahab, Duke and Enoch are quite well read on the topic. Duke went to the newly opened soviet archive in the 90's. You'd know that if you were familiar with dissidents and not just here to blast the board with long screeds.

Its ludicrous to believe blindly in Nazi propaganda.

Where are you getting that alt right figures believe blindly in Nazi propaganda? I've been patient with you on this board but this is just a downright stupid and subversive thing to say. Believing any propaganda blindly is stupid but not all propaganda is the same. 'Nazi' is also a Jewish slur created by yellow journalism. You should read The Myth of Germany Villainy by Benton L. Bradbury. In dissident spheres we refer to 'nazis' as national socialists and if you want to run a better infiltration operation you should probably stop using the word.

I don't know how you can call yourself a dissident and buy all the bullshit about Hitler's Germany. Its fascinating to me.

They simultaneously called Japanese the Aryans of the east while genociding Poles by settling millions of Germans in Poland.

Holyshit this is a blatant lie. Germans did not genocide poles. A large chunk of the western populace of Poland were German. So I guess you've finally exposed yourself as an anti nat-soc. I'm surprised you didn't try to mention the lebensraum anti slav lie. That's easily debunked as well.

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