'It's okay to be white' posters probed by police...It's a BBC (not irony) news article talking about how police is investigating on who made and pasted these posters. Welcome to NWO. by kokolokoNightcrawler in news

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It's proof positive that whatever you say in defense of white people, you will be called a hateful, racist white supremacist. "Hate speech" never had anything to do with promoting hatred, or violence, or anything like that - it was always about attacking pro-white sentiment.

God knows what normies think the statement represents, but the slogan literally means "it's okay to be white" - that's it - it's not bad or wrong to be white - it's okay.

Something of interest: Somebody's going around Reddit calling the Alt-Right like a CIA psy-op or something by sineavec in debatealtright

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Yeah it confuses his argument. He even goes off against Zionists at one point. If he could only recognize that it's only the fake right and certain fedposting operations that are created by Feds and Zionists, he would see that the Alt-Right proper is against the system. But to a communist, all fascists and libertarians look the same to him so he sees Zionist influence on the libertarian right and associates it with us.

It's all so tiresome.

Something of interest: Somebody's going around Reddit calling the Alt-Right like a CIA psy-op or something by sineavec in debatealtright

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More lolquotes:

I realise that for many people this is almost taken as a given, everything within capitalism reproduces capitalist ideology, why would the internet be any different?

Communism arose within capitalism, seriously what is this guy smoking. Does he read his own words?

Donald Trump himself has claimed that ‘the radical left are in control of Facebook’. This is of course nonsense [...] Facebook also recently hired former director general of the Israeli ministry of justice Emi Palmor

Not all of them are radical leftists! - some are Israelis.... lmao he's got a point

Gavin Mcinnes has of course appeared on Alex Jone’s Infowars and regularly rubs shoulders with all manner of alt right figures, including the man himself Donald Trump. Along with Trump, his former right and left hand men Steven Bannon and Roger Stone.

He thinks Donald Trump, Steven Bannon and Roger Stone are Alt-Right.

I believe I have shown that very many of the biggest media influences on the Alt Right are steeped in intelligence connections and are funded by the interests of capital. Tommy Robinson [...] Alex Jones [...] Steve Bannon [...] Mike Cernovich [...] Jack Posobiec

What is this crap. Liberal Zionist Tommy Robinson, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, presidential advisor Steve Bannon, alt-light Mike Cernovich, and news anchor Jack Posobiec - none of these guys are close to being white nationalist. Bannon is probably the closest, the others may be right-wing but half of them get kicked off all the major platforms despite not being Alt-Right at all.

I believe I have shown that all of the alt rights most notorious channels, 4chan, 8chan, and Reddit, have all been the target of manipulation by intelligence agencies, such as those operating out of Eglin Aiforce base. I believe I have possibly shed light on the intentions behind that manipulation, such as in the case of Rushan Abbas, or in the creation of Neo Nazi groups which attack minorities and the left, such as The Base.

Again, correct. Alt-Right spaces are teeming with feds, what's new. It's that this guy is using the fact that feds entrap us with calls to violence as evidence that we are ourselves guided by feds, not the far more obvious conclusion that the feds are trying to stop our movement. There is little hope for this guy to be honest.


Every time I see a leftist rail against the Alt-Right I never see any mention of the clear, sweeping leftward social changes to society that have formed clown world. They are tearing down statues of the founders, blaming white people everywhere and calling them racist, writing white people out of the curriculum, the stage and the screen, discriminating against white people in hiring and in college admissions, they are telling people men are women and women are men, that race doesn't exist (except white people are to blame), that homosexuality, miscegenation, sodomy, pornography are normal and healthy, that we should accept the replacement and destruction of our culture and of our people (but it's not happening but you deserve it). Surely this should get some mention?

Something of interest: Somebody's going around Reddit calling the Alt-Right like a CIA psy-op or something by sineavec in debatealtright

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In fact, he thinks:

Tied in and central to the alt right ideological terrain is [...] the radical belief that uninterrupted capitalism and the domination of the free market in all things.

I mean, wow. I'm probably more right-wing economically than a lot of posters here but there's no way I'd agree to "the domination of the free market in all things". This guy's been watching too much Stefan Molyneux. And even Stefan probably wouldn't agree with this ridiculous statement.

Something of interest: Somebody's going around Reddit calling the Alt-Right like a CIA psy-op or something by sineavec in debatealtright

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Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, Julius Evola [...] These are however all people who historically defended capital and the establishment

lol

When we are talking about far right ideas, we are, by definition, talking about ideas which serve to cut off the better off working class base from the left in the service of capital.

So it seems this guy is stuck in the left-right paradigm, thinking it's about economics all the time, and right-wingers are capitalist, so people who are far-right must be uber-capitalist. He thinks there is a giant conspiracy on the far-right to hide the fact that really, they are massive capitalists.

Something of interest: Somebody's going around Reddit calling the Alt-Right like a CIA psy-op or something by sineavec in debatealtright

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I suspect it's because when people learn who we really are, they take one of two options:

1) Realize that we're not as "extreme" as claimed, that we have some good points, and then join us 2) Realize that we're not as "extreme" as claimed, recognize that our values are not that dissimilar from normie social conservatives, and therefore recalibrate - become a far-leftist and call all right-wingers and centrists Nazi fascists who need to be deplatformed

So the only articles written about us are

1) Written by us 2) Written by raging leftists who attack all white people and conservatives as well 3) Written by people who don't know what they're talking about

Here we have option (3).

Edit: having read the piece it looks more like a (2). He thinks normie conservatives are Alt-Right...

I actually think we are in a healthier spot right now with the decline of reddit by Wulf1488 in debatealtright

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Just remember to check you aren't shadowbanned when posting links to reddit's competitors. They are very happy to wield the banhammer to protect their site.

The reason we're being censored isn't because our ideas are too unspeakably evil to showcase. It's because if people saw us, they'd know we aren't bad people who deserve to be mistreated. by WaltzRoommate in debatealtright

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100%. If your average person knew how reasonable our ideas were they'd suddenly wonder what the media has been endlessly complaining about.

I myself once believed there was some "hateful" beyond; I thought I took a more reasonable position than those "extremists". Turns out there is no such thing. The "extremists" really are quite nice and reasonable and don't hate anyone. They really don't want people finding that out.

A Fresh Change by Edvin in Introductions

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Great to have you here, welcome!

I'm looking forward to eventually just lurking here while on the toilet and never posting anything

Haha, don't be afraid to post content. Saidit just had a new influx of users so if they all post some content this website will be thriving!

Jim Goad Breaks Down What Black Lives Matter is Really About by Richard_Parker in debatealtright

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I totally agree. He's totally right about opinions and facts as well - the separation of ought from is - where, as he points out, the majority of the world carry on as though moral opinions are the same thing as facts. This is a point he makes in a lot of articles, and it bears repeating.

Anti-woke leftist looking for a place with less brain-rot. by tskaalgard in Introductions

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Power is still a means to an end as well. They want to control your mind - but how do they want to control it is the pertinent question. I think ultimately it comes down to some kind of religious or ideological motivation, not power unto itself.

Anarcho-Tyranny in Martinez California; White Couple Tries to Deface BLM Street "Mural," Lefties Decry It, Yet Turn Blind Eye to Riots, Vandalism, Destruction of Monuments by Richard_Parker in debatealtright

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We welcome debate, but a long time of quarantine on Reddit, coupled with all other alt-right meme, news and discussion subs being banned, left the DebateAltRight community a bit of an echo chamber with very few good-faith debaters engaging with our ideas. Please, ask a question of us though; if you're here in good faith, we'd be happy to answer.

I just tried posting this on reddit r/news but the mods deleted it. Here is a pick of Dawit Kelete. The "white supremacist" who drove into two BLM protestors people yesterday. Maybe we should stop fanning these racist flames with fake news? by Themagicalmidget in whatever

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It's rational to bias all your impressions of events in this way, because it's a known fact that the media, police, even Wikipedia all censor facts when it makes non-whites look bad, or whites look good.

I just tried posting this on reddit r/news but the mods deleted it. Here is a pick of Dawit Kelete. The "white supremacist" who drove into two BLM protestors people yesterday. Maybe we should stop fanning these racist flames with fake news? by Themagicalmidget in whatever

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I got shadowbanned simply for linking to saidit.net. After I joined here, I reposted a highly-upvoted comment of mine (that summarized the history of censorship on reddit) from saidit onto reddit, and before the day was done it had been deleted by mods.

It's probably best not to go onto reddit if you don't want your brain to be warped by an incredibly distorted discourse. You'll think it's normal to think the kinds of things reddit mods and admins think about. Believe me, it's not normal.

Anti-woke leftist looking for a place with less brain-rot. by tskaalgard in Introductions

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Shit, they even ruthlessly suppress ordinary conservatives and class-focused leftists who aren't into all the woke stuff because they fear these people might become fascists.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MiserlyGlitteringHamster-size_restricted.gif

Anti-woke leftist looking for a place with less brain-rot. by tskaalgard in Introductions

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It doesn't seem like leftism from a materialist, class-analysis point of view. But it's absolutely left-wing in the sense of being an egalitarian, pro-social justice movement. You know that thing where each time communism has been tried, it failed, but the excuse made is that it wasn't "real" communism? Well it's happening again, and it's exactly as leftist and communist as Mao's Cultural Revolution was.

I'd contest the definition of leftist as "sympathiz[ing] with the plight of the working class", not least, because most explicitly right-wing philosophies do exactly that. Libertarians and small-government conservatives claim that free markets increase growth and productivity, which increases living standards for all, including the working class, who have been raised up from agricultural work to now working in service industries with a significantly higher standard of living. Fascists are explicitly pro-working class and see each laboring man as a cell in the great body of the nation, deserving a healthy, happy life which the state should assist in providing.

So what makes libertarianism and fascism right-wing? They accept the natural order - a natural hierarchy where the productive and capable naturally rise above the unproductive and incapable. They accept that the mere existence of hierarchy does not imply unfair "oppression" has taken place, and in fact, equality of outcome itself would be evidence of unfairness where the natural order has been opposed.

Anti-woke leftist looking for a place with less brain-rot. by tskaalgard in Introductions

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I think that people's ultimate motivation is never money. Money is simply a means to an end, and that end is usually driven by religious, spiritual or ideological concerns. Sure there is some element of personal greed (for material goods), but beyond a certain level of wealth the goal is usually (and billionaires will talk about this openly) to "have an impact" and "leave a legacy" on society. For a lot of billionaires the "weird tranny bathroom shit" really is their ideological goal, brought about by a deep-seated faith in total liberalism; a liberation of man from all worldly constraints. For others, it's an indirect, subversive way of destroying the civilization they despise - without a strong foundation of faith & family, Western civilization will eventually collapse - they see this, and wish to hasten the process.

Anti-woke leftist looking for a place with less brain-rot. by tskaalgard in Introductions

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I think a fascist state would be far less censorious than the international mega-corporations today who decline payment services, ban books from their platforms, kick users off for simply mentioning the names of dissidents, retroactively delete videos that didn't violate terms of service but now do, and even deny dissidents the ability to register domains.

The association of fascism with censorship I think comes from a libertarian standpoint, from which all other forms of government look censorious and authoritarian. But actually, through a strong state, more freedom can be preserved, especially if that state is grounded in the truth, thereby not fearing its revelation. In contrast, a left-libertarian society leads most probably to our current situation with corporations as states-unto-themselves, based on deception (marketing) and therefore fearing the truth, preventing people from seeking it. (See Reddit's decision to shadowban users who post links to saidit.net, or to outright block links to thedonald.win; they are motivated to censor their competition in our left-liberal/libertarianish society).

Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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Don't you think that the collapse is just wishful thinking (a cope)? I think probably as much as you do that a total collapse of the system would be good for us long-term and good for the planet at large - the elites getting what's coming to them, the technological system collapsing under its own weight, natural order and balance returning to the world - but I can't help feeling that it's a little voice in the back of my head wishing it to be so, instead of the Piss Earth hellscape that we're more likely to find ourselves in. Are there futurologists taking seriously predictions of collapse? What odds do they give?

Important Article on the Origins Of Critical Theory in the Frankfurt School by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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I actually haven't; I've listened to interviews with Kevin MacDonald, though. My feeling is that evolutionary explanations of behavior are always somewhat ad-hoc, and while they may be a good guess they are not easily proved, and as such are easily dismissed by social constructivist scholars (whose own assumptions are even more farcical but have the distinction of being the null hypothesis of left-biased science). Great that it's published online though, I wasn't actually aware of this, so thanks.

Kaepernick calls Independence Day a 'celebration of white supremacy'. His parents (adopted) were white and grew up in wealth. by chumbawamba in NotTheOnion

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If it were half the white supremacist country they say it is things might actually be fair for white people.

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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Yeah, think of an art critic or movie critic, there's nothing inherently negative about their criticism. Critical theory, though... that is pure deconstruction of society. Purely negative.

Why some members in this movement shouldn't be allowed to speak by Salos10000 in debatealtright

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Slavery is considered immoral by the current power structure. For the majority of human history it was not considered so. Many leftists consider wage labor to be a form of "wage slavery"; if they win, will supporting historical figures who fought for the right to employ workers be considered as immoral as supporting the confederacy? History suggests that yes, it will. Leftism is a ratchet. Oppose once hotly-contested ideas such as women's suffrage, gay rights or the civil rights act and you are kicked out of polite society. Concede that it is off-limits to even signal your support for a group (not even signalling your support for slavery itself), and you've taken the first step on the slippery slope towards agreeing with the leftist idea of progress itself, and conceding each of the points of their worldview, one by one.

Why some members in this movement shouldn't be allowed to speak by Salos10000 in debatealtright

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I mean, the swastika and celtic cross have a history stretching back before those groups, and were chosen because they represent European history. The confederate flag(s) only represent the bad parts of American history because those in power declare it so; plenty of people who proudly display the confederate flag would tell you a different story.

On the other hand, the hammer and sickle is displayed proudly by communists despite representing mass murder and starvation. They just say that those regimes weren't "real" communism. The black power fist is displayed proudly by major corporations despite it being associated with black nationalist hate groups. They have no qualms about being associated with extremist left-wing groups through symbology - this is because they are in power.

The symbols are not what do us harm. What does us harm is the people in power, who point at the symbols as evidence we are bad. But if we used different symbols, they would just point at those symbols as evidence we are bad; the OK hand sign being the perfect example.

Why some members in this movement shouldn't be allowed to speak by Salos10000 in debatealtright

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All of these symbols are simply symbols of our history, though. The only reason they are associated with "hate" is because of who is in charge. The OK sign, the phrase "It's okay to be white", Pepe the frog, Viking runes - all of these are called "hate symbols" because they are associated with us.

I think you are right, though, in that there's no way we can win being openly heretical. It just paints a huge target on our back. When we win, though, there will be nothing controversial about these symbols.

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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It doesn't. Critical thinking comes from Plato; "the analysis of facts to form a judgment."

Critical theory is named in a subversive way, and comes from the Frankfurt School in the early 20th century. It refers to "criticism" of a particular kind that critiques power in society; it is not concerned at all with "the analysis of facts to form a judgment;" in fact:

Critical Theory is only tangentially concerned with understanding or truth and has, as Hume might have it, abandoned descriptions of what is in favor of pushing for what the particular critical theory holds ought to be.

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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The main problem in education today comes from critical pedagogy. So, let's reverse every one of its tenets!

  • Make education be about instruction in critical theory Make education be about instruction in subject matter and critical thinking
  • Awaken a critical consciousness in students and teachers Teach students to be less cynical and critical. Teach them that the world is not build around oppression and marginalization, and that people in dominant positions are more worthy of our respect, not less, because most of them earned their place fairly.
  • Critical theories see the world as being constructed in terms of power dynamics that oppress certain people (minoritized groups) to the benefit of the dominant group(s). Teach students that the world is the way it is regardless of which words we use to describe it. Teach them that "oppression" is itself a social construct developed by the weak and unsuccessful as an excuse to discriminate against the strong and successful.

What SHOULD be taught in schools? by Aureus in AskSaidIt

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Agreed. Critical thinking, not critical theory.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU CRITICIZE THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE - Barricade Garage by send_nasty_stuff in altrightwebm

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This is hilarious. "Even Jeffrey Epstein was white" lmao

First they came for FatPeopleHate, but I said nothing by poops in Introductions

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And it got deleted. Wow. The level of censorship is off the charts.

DebateAltRight.win? by The_Frag_Man in debatealtright

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Maybe should just be altright.win? Keep the debate sub in one place and have that separate site for sharing spicy memes?

r/DebateAltRight Users - Updated List from 2020-06-29 Archive by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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I think he was banned, not sure the reason why.

If you were an Alien with the goal to invade the Earth, how would you do it? by Leo_Littlebook in ScienceFiction

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It's simple. Simply immigrate to Earth. There will be inevitable resistance to alien invasion by "hateful far-right reactionaries", but simply say that you're there for a better life for yourself and your species, and leftists will defend you. Co-opt civil rights groups to campaign for "alien rights", eventually gaining state benefits. Make sure to commit terror attacks to kill a few resisters, but only enough to cause more of a backlash among right-wingers. Despite the fact that you obviously look and behave differently to humans, make sure any research that demonstrates any differences is suppressed. Convince the population that there is a "rise in far-right radicalization and hate", and use that to censor any reasonable voices who object to alien invasion.

Eventually you will have enough rights and institutional power to start directly advocating for the invasion. At this point, start tearing down monuments to humans, claiming they are hateful because the humans are bad as evidenced by their history of violence. As the number of aliens on the planet rapidly increases, start persecuting humans who dare to speak up in their own interest. Their time is over. For the planet, aliens are a source of our strength.

Once you have full institutional control, begin to eliminate the last traces of human resistance. At this point there are no human organizations that can act together to resist your invasion, so it's only a matter of time before you win. Confuse the remaining humans by calling their theory of "alien invasion" a "conspiracy theory" and "something that Hitler would have supported". Then shoot them in the head with a phase blaster for committing anti-alien hate crime. All the humans who helped you along the way may now be targeted without resistance. Line them up against the wall and shoot them.

r/DebateAltRight Users - Updated List from 2020-06-29 Archive by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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Exactly.

r/DebateAltRight Users - Updated List from 2020-06-29 Archive by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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This:

grep -roh 'user/[0-9A-Za-z_-]*\.html'

Just text searches for links to users in all files. Some of them don't work (if the user has not posted a thread), but the links are there attached to each comment. The rest of the command just formats it nicely and counts the number of links to each user before sorting.

What was it like living in an all white nation that wasn't hostile to whites? by Blackbrownfreestuff in debatealtright

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David O. Sacks and Peter Thiel wrote about it in 1998: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0945999763

The blurb could have been written today:

This is a powerful exploration of the debilitating impact that politically-correct “multiculturalism” has had upon higher education and academic freedom in the United States. In the name of diversity, many leading academic and cultural institutions are working to silence dissent and stifle intellectual life. This book exposes the real impact of multiculturalism on the institution most closely identified with the politically correct decline of higher education—Stanford University. Authored by two Stanford graduates, this book is a compelling insider’s tour of a world of speech codes, “dumbed-down” admissions standards and curricula, campus witch hunts, and anti-Western zealotry that masquerades as legitimate scholarly inquiry. Sacks and Thiel use numerous primary sources—the Stanford Daily, class readings, official university publications—to reveal a pattern of politicized classes, housing, budget priorities, and more. They trace the connections between such disparate trends as political correctness, the gender wars, Generation X nihilism, and culture wars, showing how these have played a role in shaping multiculturalism at institutions like Stanford. The authors convincingly show that multiculturalism is not about learning more; it is actually about learning less. They end their comprehensive study by detailing the changes necessary to reverse the tragic disintegration of American universities and restore true academic excellence.

r/DebateAltRight Users - Updated List from 2020-06-29 Archive by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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If you're on unix:

cd DebateAltRight
grep -roh 'user/[0-9A-Za-z_-]*\.html' | sed 's:^user/::;s:.html$::' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr

Some insight about free speech from Reddit: West turning into USSR by cloudrabbit in MeanwhileOnReddit

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I actually think lower class blacks and other minorities will also be shut out.

All these groups that advocate for wealth redistribution in their direction are really stupid and short-sighted. Blacks in the US have a median income that is way higher than the world average. The logical conclusion of the leftist ideology they support is open-borders globalism and worldwide wealth redistribution. That means taking money away from privileged US blacks and giving it to Africans. They really don't know how good they have it.

Some insight about free speech from Reddit: West turning into USSR by cloudrabbit in MeanwhileOnReddit

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Lots of black people calling out BLM and critical theory at the moment. They just get told they're not really black anymore when they step out of line.

Well, according to critical theory, they aren't black the moment they step out of line. "Black" is a political identity group to critical race theorists, so for example "Black Lives Matter" doesn't refer to right-wingers with black skin. The moment you adopt right-wing ideas as a black man, you become "complicit in whiteness" and a "white supremacist".

r/DebateAltRight Users - Updated List from 2020-06-29 Archive by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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Thanks, please note the updated list above. I had stupidly ignored users without posts (there is a users folder in the archive but it does not include users who have only commented but not submitted a post).

r/DebateAltRight Users - Updated List from 2020-06-29 Archive by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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You made me double-check and I found I'd missed all users who only made comments, since those users' profiles were left out of the archive. Updated above.

r/DebateAltRight Users - Updated List from 2020-06-29 Archive by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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My mod account was banned and I assume all the others were as well. I wonder to what extent, if any, the regular contributors were banned.

My account was shadowbanned towards the end; I think it had something to do with linking to saidit - others here have had similar experiences. Very difficult to tell people about alternatives when the links get deleted or you get banned just for posting them!

What Reddit bullshit you've encountered? by cloudrabbit in MeanwhileOnReddit

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Also anyone encountered being banned due to posting saidit links?

Yep I was concerned that bans were about to happen (they did) and so I started directing people to saidit. A couple of days after that I got a message from a mod pointing out that I was shadowbanned... this is despite having posted no rule-breaking content nor even upvoting rule-breaking content.

Reddit are very aware of what happened to digg and at so they use every dirty trick in the book to stop people migrating off the site - thedonald.win links are censored outright, too.

Covid is still a hoax, people. by mongre in conspiracy

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Agreed, "hoax" overstates the claim massively, though there's always a kernel of truth to any hoax.

Some insight about free speech from Reddit: West turning into USSR by cloudrabbit in MeanwhileOnReddit

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It's a great excuse to purge right-wing dissidents from universities. Same with calls for "diversity" - it's a way of biasing the university towards a leftist agenda. The people discriminated against the most are lower-to-middle class white people, and those that benefit are the upper classes and lower-class blacks and Hispanics.

Here is a list of all reddit users of debatealtright. Post in the comments which you have contacted and i'll remove them from the list by bruker in debatealtright

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I made the list originally from a slightly older archive. I'll update it with the archive linked in the sticky.

How do you think reddit will react to July the 4th with the current political climate? by Salos10000 in debatealtright

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This is an example of a classic tactic of deconstruction employed by the left - "I'm an X and I agree with you on Y." This is how they fracture the right and guide them to their own positions. In this case, "I'm an anti-racist and I agree with you on guns." Then when a large number of the group agree with anti-racism, they can pivot to some other tactic to convince them that getting rid of guns will solve racism.

Table 16.1. Brain sizes (cc) for ten races by AltBaseGuy in strangestatistics

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Although the contribution of race differences in brain size to race differences in IQs can only be calculated for the racial comparisons given in Table 16.3, the results showing that race differences in brain size explain about a quarter of the differences in intelligence can probably be reasonably be extended to all race differences. The remainder of the differences are attrib-utable to environmental inequalities and differences in neurophysiological processes.

Very interesting. We need research institutions that can further investigate these issues (you'll never get a fair chance to conduct this kind of research in a modern university).

How do you think reddit will react to July the 4th with the current political climate? by Salos10000 in debatealtright

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I imagine a few highly-upvoted stories about how Americans are racist and how the 4th July is racist, coupled with some faux patriotism and a disproportionate number of pictures of black people celebrating the holiday.

Though to be honest, I'm not even going to check. No reason to go on the front page of reddit and melt my brain.

I Came Here Because I Love The Freedom I Have Here. by Mikeakogu in Introductions

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Welcome! I think we need to be vigilant to make sure this place does not decay into censorship like Reddit, but it's good for now! Some of the recently banned subreddits moved to communities.win - check those out if you don't find them here.

Debate a "leftist" by DoubleReverse in debatealtright

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Suppose, for the sake of argument, that 2% of people get gay married, and, as a result of the desanctification of marriage, 3% of straight people no longer get married. Even if you think both marriages are of equal worth, surely you can agree that the net impact here is negative?

Debate a "leftist" by DoubleReverse in debatealtright

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Bigotry as I mean it is treating people differently based on their identity rather than their actions.

We all have preconceptions about people and groups of people, some of these based on stereotypes, some on data, and they tend to be largely accurate. I'm not about to treat somebody horribly based on his visible characteristics, but I'm absolutely going to use them to form my initial impression of him. You probably do this all the time when it comes to e.g. age - you treat kids differently than adults, sex - you treat men and women differently when it comes to choosing a partner, and so on. These would be bigotry according to your definition, but I don't think you'd say these things are wrong.

First, two things happening at the same time does not mean one thing is causing the other. How do you know less monogamy isn't causing higher rates of homosexuality, or that they aren't both a result of global warming or something?

The slippery slope of degeneracy is what was predicted at the time that sexual liberation came to the forefront in society. That's why a causal link is far more likely; there are reasons why it was predicted, and then it came to pass, so we have to give some credit to the hypotheses of those old conservatives and reactionaries that opposed it. There's nobody who predicted that global warming would cause less monogamy, so that hypothesis is far less credible.

Second, you don't need to approve of other people's life choices. If you think that monogamy is necessary, go ahead and lead a monogamous lifestyle. That doesn't mean you need to force the rest of the world to emulate your specific preferences.

This is liberalism writ large - a focus on the individual and his choices but without concern for the effects on wider society. I'm not talking about my preferences; I'm talking about the effect the sexual revolution had on the whole of society. Even granting liberal premises, it can still be true that sexual liberation was bad for society even if we have a liberal moral obligation not to oppose gay marriage or extramarital sex.

Debate a "leftist" by DoubleReverse in debatealtright

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big•ot•ry (ˈbɪg ə tri)

n.

  1. extreme intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

  2. the actions, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

Bigotry as typically defined can clearly be seen to apply to the modern left far more than the alt-right. I think that censorship went way too far long ago, and it's the extreme intolerance of differing opinions from leftists that caused this censorship. So if using this definition, I actually agree! Censorship has an overall negative impact on society.

But I suspect that's not what you mean. The definition colloquially used by leftists is something like:

big•ot•ry (ˈbɪg ə tri)

n.

  1. Anti-egalitarian beliefs; the belief that some groups are better than others according to some metric, especially if those groups are white - racism, sexism, other -isms

  2. Anti-degeneracy moral beliefs; the belief that traditional morality should be upheld over "anything goes" sexual liberalism - homophopia, transphobia, other -phobias

If this is what you mean, then I don't much care whether or not bigotry has an overall negative impact on society. Anti-egalitarianism is true - people are not the same. Some groups really can run faster, do math easier, and build civilization stronger, than other groups. If knowledge of this has a negative impact on society, it's still better than to simply suppress knowledge. I don't think it is, though - thinking men can synthesize knowledge to make society stronger, but I haven't heard of anyone doing this through ignorance. Ignorance merely leads society to ruin through pathological behaviors that come about through refusing to acknowledge the truth; like a doctor treating a limb with referred pain, ignorance about the source of the problem could prove fatal.

As for anti-degeneracy, we're talking about the very moral foundations that make a society. These have already been totally transformed over the past century. The current social order is not stable and is disintegrating - the number of married men and women is significantly lower than it once was. How is the legalization of gay marriage a positive when the total number of married couples has gone down? How is the "liberation" of sexuality a positive when young people are having less sex and young men are not even allowed to defend themselves properly against sexual assault allegations?

Really makes Grug think by Markimus in debatealtright

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It's clearly white supremacists who are in on it. Look at Morgoth's prediction! How could he make such an accurate prediction unless the world is secretly controlled by white supremacists? Checkmate, Nazis!

New meta-analysis on gypsy IQ by FoxySDT in debatealtright

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Are you saying you think that's an overestimation?

Yes. I didn't make myself clear - I think it's important to remember even in cases where the evidence contradicts egalitarian dogma, that it still may be tainted by it. If a study confirms your preconceptions it's easy to forget that academia still has an incredible egalitarian bias.

Reddit and Hate Speech by ManWithABanana in MeanwhileOnReddit

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Nah, it's a totally race-blind red herring that makes way too many assumptions.

I wouldn't count neoreaction as race-blind. Most neoreactionaries are very HBD-aware.

Meanwhile these people occasionally actually write about wanting to abolish whiteness and being mad over the Holocaust.

Yeah this was embarrassing from Moldbug, though I suppose what you'd expect given his heritage.

The writing is totally devoid of historical detail. Same with Moldbug. For some reason they thought that this poor understanding was good enough to start forming theories with. They obviously write more than they read, a huge no-no.

I think this is a very unfair characterization, at least of Moldbug. Watching some recent interviews with him he seems to be very well-read. In fact many have noted that a lot of his ideas simply piece together older reactionaries as well as Hoppe's ideas on democracy and monarchy, so if anything the criticism is that he's unoriginal. Spandrell... maybe you have a point, though I've not read too much of his stuff.

New meta-analysis on gypsy IQ by FoxySDT in debatealtright

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We have to be extremely skeptical of anything coming out of academia - and by that I mean academia is going to have an extreme egalitarian bias in these things. This is a meta-analysis so is using older data, but I'd be pretty concerned given the current situation that things like IQ testing by race could simply be banned outright by these journals, since any evidence that contradicts the egalitarian dogma counts as "hate".

In order to be sure that the data are being collected correctly, we're going to have to do it ourselves, with our own institutions.

So while we're on the subject of social media alternatives: any good google alternatives? by deAccount in debatealtright

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Just so you know, Brave (even while using Tor) is not guaranteed to give you a unique browser fingerprint because of screen resolution, video format support among other things - this means that sites can still track you.

The best option is to use the Tor browser itself which solves most of these issues.

Go to https://amiunique.org to see if your browser is unique.

Does anyone else feel that division between 'Left' and 'right' only serves to further divide us? by Freshly_Squeezed in conspiracy

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The left controls:

  • Social media - Reddit, Twitter, Facebook
  • Big Tech - Google, Apple
  • Activist groups - ADL, SPLC etc.
  • Universities - Something like 90% of professors are leftists
  • Hollywood/TV - Constantly pushing for leftist goals, attacking trump
  • HR/PR departments - full of Social Science grads

The legislative power conservatives have is worth nothing in comparison. Under Trump, the culture has shifted leftward at perhaps an even faster clip than under Obama. Now you see communist movements such as Black Lives Matter and associated far-left ideologies such as Critical Race Theory and Queer Theory attaining mainstream acceptance. The fact that these have gained so much ground despite their utter ridiculousness and the election of Donald Trump shows that whoever the figurehead is does not really matter.

In reality, conservatives play a foil to the left; only ever reacting to their narrative framing, and compromising each time so that the left get what they want eventually. If you pick a position on issues and don't budge on them, you'll eventually find yourself on the "far-right".

First they came for FatPeopleHate, but I said nothing by poops in Introductions

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Done. Let's see if it gets censored lol

Reddit's new TOS is essentially anti-White by riozoolander in debatealtright

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The government has the power to regulate these companies, but who controls who is in government? The people. Who controls how the people vote? The tech companies. Who controls the tech companies? A tiny handful of individuals - Zuckerberg, Wojcicki, Brin, Page, Dorsey, Bezos, Cook. Even their own opinions are fed back to themselves in a loop thanks to social media. The tech companies would never allow the government to regulate them unless it benefited them in some way (by crushing their competition, for instance).

Just a gay guy tired of being told what I'm allowed to believe. by anarchy753 in Introductions

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What's next? Can't filter by weight because it's not body positive or is fatphobic?

Unironically, yes. It is quite clear and logical that in the woke religion where "discrimination" is viewed as the ultimate evil, any preferences at all that disfavor "marginalized groups" will ultimately be seen as evil. This means, effectively, that it will be disallowed to filter potential partners by:

  • Race (if not excluding whites)
  • Weight (if not excluding thin people)
  • Attractiveness (if not excluding attractive people)
  • Wealth (if not excluding rich people)
  • Gender (if not excluding men)

You'll see disagreement here from the intersectionalists and the queer theorists - the queer theorists will want to break down ("queer") the categories and remove them entirely; the intersectionalists will want to "center authentic dating profiles" by giving a boost to poor, fat, unattractive transgender lesbians in the app targeted at gay men.

First they came for FatPeopleHate, but I said nothing by poops in Introductions

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There are almost 0 actual communists in any position of power anywhere in the United States. The fact that you think there are any communists in positions of power in the States is pretty funny though, I'll give you that.

There are absolutely many neo-Marxists in positions of power. They form the HR and PR departments of major corporations, they are the editors of newspapers, they are the directors of movies and TV shows. They are the leaders of Black Lives Matter, which has been praised by governments and corporations worldwide. They have internalized totally a religion of equality in which different identity groups are viewed as "oppressor" and "oppressed" (in contrast to traditional materialist Marxism in which class is the sole consideration). By constructing these ideas, they invoke an inverse force against those designated as "oppressors". Class is simply lower down their list.

I sympathize to some extent with traditional Marxists who feel that this craziness has really taken things off course, but this is yet another case of "this isn't real communism" when this is literally how communism has gone every time. Purges of dissidents, purges of those who initially helped to tear down the old system, tearing down of monuments, destruction of culture, and concentration of power in a tiny elite while average middle-class people have their quality of life decimated. All we're missing is the famine.

U.S. Communists would actually very much understand why banning speech is bad, if anyone would, since historically it was Communists who were blacklisted in the 50's in our country. Even if they had only attended a meeting or two at a time when that was quite common.

They understand why banning speech is bad for those who are banned. It's become quite clear over recent years that censorship works and all of those centrist copes that "censorship will drive it underground and make it worse" just simply weren't true. They're quite happy to censor others to protect their power as we can see today.

Reddit and Hate Speech by ManWithABanana in MeanwhileOnReddit

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I still think you got it wrong here. Let's be real - it's probably due to the Holocaust and the destruction of the 2nd temple. If whites were less successful it'd just be quicker.

This is true of elites, but can't explain why the masses go along with the program.

Not to mention: who cares? What does people being slightly more loyal have to do with anything?

The mystery is why does a misfit bunch of degenerates not fall apart within 5 minutes? Purely racial in-group theories of loyalty don't explain what keeps these people relatively cohesive. Of course the explanation is speculative but it makes intuitive sense.

Do Jews know this? No. It's about destroying white people. So you side with nonwhites and sick whites. That's why. It's not because they're secretly biolenist enlightened NRxers.

I agree here, actually. I don't think that it's planned out using NRx theory. I do think that NRx is a useful way to view what's going on, though.

First they came for FatPeopleHate, but I said nothing by poops in Introductions

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His stupidity actually made things worse because it meant people could criticize him on the grounds that he's an idiot, where their real reason was that they're communists and they must purge any right-wing thought. It got a lot of centrists/center-right on board with joining "The Resistance" and ushering in leftist censorship.

Reddit's new TOS is essentially anti-White by riozoolander in debatealtright

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We're in a bit of a bind. These companies abuse the 1st amendment to claim they are "just exercising their free speech" while using it to censor and shape discussion. The tech companies have all the power; the government is relatively impotent (unless the tech companies approve of the government's actions, of course).

Reddit and Hate Speech by ManWithABanana in MeanwhileOnReddit

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I think that the observation that these disparate groups would actually be more loyal due to their lack of earned status is a unique and useful one, so I don't think bioleninism merely restates the obvious.

You are right that the end goal is the destruction of the white race, I think that it's driven largely by envy of success which ties into the bioleninist concept. I'll accept your rewritten sentence though, it's correct. (Speculation upon what would happen were whites less successful is maybe a nice intellectual exercise but it's not particularly useful)

Reddit and Hate Speech by ManWithABanana in MeanwhileOnReddit

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It's closer to "if you're female and believe that massive schlongs are not female" but I agree.

Such strange times we live in that feminists are now reactionaries. But that's clown world for you.

Ban wave extends to YouTube. Stefan Molyneux's channel is down. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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Neoliberalism is pretty leftist, though. It's based around "equality of opportunity" which works out about the same as "equality of outcome" once you figure out that outcome = opportunity + random factors. The thing is that the west has been in such a leftward drift for so long that genuine right-wing ideas are totally missing from the discourse.

How much influence does internet have on the US elections? by Hristo-Lukov in debatealtright

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The internet has a tremendous direct and indirect impact on elections. Especially with the coronavirus lockdowns, more and more people consume their news online. Those articles that they read are written by journalists who spend most of their time on twitter. Their opinions are determined by the available opinions as filtered through twitter's censorship algorithm.

Could they swing an election?

They have far more power than that. They don't need elections, though they can swing them anyway. They have the power to manipulate minds at such a scale that even the opposition will be batting for their ideas.

Does anyone else feel that division between 'Left' and 'right' only serves to further divide us? by Freshly_Squeezed in conspiracy

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This seems intuitive to me, but all the polls I've seen show only a small difference in voting preferences between men and women. What is your reasoning here?

Does anyone else feel that division between 'Left' and 'right' only serves to further divide us? by Freshly_Squeezed in conspiracy

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The left/right distinction is as such because we live in a society in which the left controls everything. "Left-wing" is that which agrees with the egalitarianism of our ruling elite; the definition of "right-wing" is then, "not left-wing". Therefore, if you have unorthodox views, you are right-wing by definition - whether you are an anarcho-capitalist, a monarchist, a fascist or a radical centrist, you will be put in the right-wing bucket.

That's what makes it so hard to escape the dichotomy - the very idea of escaping it would be counted as right-wing.

Reddit and Hate Speech by ManWithABanana in MeanwhileOnReddit

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Please remember that the word "hate" has two meanings:

  • The ordinary definition: expressing extreme dislike of something
  • The newspeak definition: expressing any kind of anti-egalitarian thought; that one group is better than another in some way

The newspeak definition is used to enforce what the blogger Spandrell has termed "bioleninism" - the raising up of the weak at the expense of the strong. Given that the weak cannot succeed on their own, this means they have greater loyalty to the bioleninist system which gives them unearned power. It's made explicit in the chosen categories; "race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability" are stated, and this means people of color, Muslims, foreigners, immigrants, genderspecials, and disabled people form the bioleninist coalition.

The definition would never cover "hate" against conservatives because that can't exist; the only purpose the term serves is to raise the weak up, and since conservatives generally oppose that, no amount of hatred would ever count as "hate" against conservatives.

Reddit and Hate Speech by ManWithABanana in MeanwhileOnReddit

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How on earth would you even judge who is in the majority? of the global population? of the subreddit's community? In America? Based on where your IP is posting from?

If you're white. It's based on if you're white. The rule will change the moment whites are not a majority.

I actually can't believe they added this clause. It's explicitly anti-white. They literally endorse hate against whites. In black and white.

It happened guys. r/debatealtright was just banned a minute ago. by eth0 in debatealtright

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They only closed chapo because it was already quarantined, and to give a sense of balance. We all know that they basically only censor right-wing subs, but the normies will read the headline and view it as some bipartisan effort to root out hate instead of the banning of "hate" (meaning anti-egalitarian thought) that it really is.

First they came for FatPeopleHate, but I said nothing by poops in Introductions

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A great many people did say something. We warned that the first sub to be banned was the beginning of a slippery slope. That pretty soon, bans would be used for political purposes, to sway elections.

Pro-censorship advocates, in a move that would today be termed "gaslighting", ensured us that this was not a slippery slope, and that it was only egregious content that would be banned.

2016 was the year things accelerated. Free discussion online, a large part of it in response to Black Lives Matter, Critical Race Theory and Queer Theory, helped secure the election of Donald Trump and the exit of the UK from the European Union. This surge in nationalist sentiment, while modest, spooked the powers that be, and one of the largest propaganda campaigns in history, "The Resistance", set out to prevent it from ever happening again.

Activist groups pressured the media to run 24/7 "Orange Man Bad" content, attacking Donald Trump as a fascist, a Nazi, a sexist, a racist and all manner of other slurs. Disparate elements joined together in reaction to this, including r/The_Donald. This content defending Trump became labelled as so-called "Hate Speech" by activist shill accounts and bots that amplified this message, while at the same time Trump supporters were being accused of being Russian bots in a textbook case of Marx's maxim, "Accuse your enemy of what you are doing, as you are doing it to create confusion."

The cultural rot accelerated. Absurd claims from Critical Race Theory and Queer Theory, having incubated on Tumblr, and widely mocked at the time, now started to become gospel truth in a new religion. Any dissent from these ideas was now being routinely dismissed as "a rise in far-right radicalization". In reality, simply holding a centrist liberal view from circa 2005 was enough to get one branded a "far-right extremist". This widely-reported rise in "far-right extremism" was accepted unthinkingly by the politically-ignorant masses and they unwittingly helped enable further suppression on Reddit, supporting subreddit bans and then quarantines for major subreddits.

In 2020, with the majority of dissenting subs quarantined or suppressed, the second time Black Lives Matter was pushed, there was no memetic resistance to its spread. Systems were in place to downvote and suppress comments critical of the movement. Those claims from Critical Race Theory were now accepted by the visible majority of Reddit, and those claims state that "racism" is omnipresent in society, and that everyone must fight to defeat it.

Of course the only trace of "racism" left was a few humor and debate subs that had been quarantined or suppressed anyway. In the wake of Black Lives Matter, a quixotic Reddit decided to strike the killing blow to the enemy who was already defeated.


The story isn't over. This pattern repeats on scales large and small, through every community, as the Western world spirals into death.

Before going down r/debatealtright had over 2k daily active users. Congrats goys. They never defeated us. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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This was with many shadowbanned users (including myself) going into the last days. Very impressive.

It happened guys. r/debatealtright was just banned a minute ago. by eth0 in debatealtright

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The problem with this is that there is a fundamental asymmetry between left and right. Right is order; heirarchy, and left is disorder; entropy. It's far easier to subvert institutions to destroy the established order than it is to "subvert" a leftist-run mess (see CHAZ/CHOP) into some kind of order.

That's why my suggestion is to build. We need institutions in place that are our own, so that when the globohomo system eventually decays, we will have something ready to take its place.

For any Slavs here, I created a Slavic Nationalist sub on saidit since the one reddit got banned btw I’m u/Bulgarianuser by Hristo-Lukov in debatealtright

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Welcome to the fallout shelter, please enjoy your stay :)

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Got it. I was just baselessly speculating :)

Well lads, they finally did it by cisheteroscum in debatealtright

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These are all the users who ever posted on r/DebateAltRight:

https://pastebin.com/1zGQHvuK

Well lads, they finally did it by cisheteroscum in debatealtright

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Thanks for keeping it alive as long as you did; it was really a pleasure to discuss with people on the sub in such a civilized manner. I'd say it was probably one of the most civilized, aggression-free places on reddit - something you can expect from us white people.

Well lads, they finally did it by cisheteroscum in debatealtright

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F

It happened guys. r/debatealtright was just banned a minute ago. by eth0 in debatealtright

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We need to build. We need to build a parallel everything. We need separation from this globohomo system. It will be small - but it will be ours. Start signing up to groups that can achieve this.

Ban wave has started. by Salos10000 in debatealtright

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Yes, race alone isn't enough. You can't tolerate traitors. Even if they have been brainwashed, they simply aren't part of our in-group.

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I noticed that any attempt to move off site was met with different opinions of which site to move to and so on. A post could easily have been stickied with a list of alternate sites, but probably the admins or compromised mods stopped that from happening.

Ban wave has started. by Salos10000 in debatealtright

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Yep, it's gone. Hope you saved an archive.

Parler is picking up steam by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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No but it looks interesting; what's different about it? Looks like only a few people there at the moment

New term I really like: "Leftwaffe". Please start using it in your memes and everywhere else. by Chipit in memes

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Some policy proposals of leftists and fascists are superficially similar, but the philosophy behind them is radically different. Fascists are driven by a love of their own people and nation; leftists are driven by a hatred of it. Fascists want to preserve culture and tradition; leftists want to destroy it. A fascist could be convinced that more right-wing economics would be good for his nation; a leftist views economics as fundamental to his worldview and so would only accept right-wing economics by renouncing leftism. A fascist accepts that a meritocratic system will lead to natural inequality; a leftist views inequality as unnatural and unjust.

The similarities look closer from a libertarian frame because both philosophies oppose libertarianism. But this is true of many philosophies opposed to libertarianism; all kinds of centrism, classical liberalism, neoliberalism all support things like minimum wages and progressive income taxes to varying degrees.

I don't think that the definition as "authority, laws and rules I personally don't agree with" is a particularly useful one, but I'll concede that many people do use the term in this way.

Parler is picking up steam by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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Do it. We need a real right-wing presence on that platform; currently it's filled with MAGA boomers and fans of the liberal Zionist Tommy Robinson.

New term I really like: "Leftwaffe". Please start using it in your memes and everywhere else. by Chipit in memes

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It is true that many on the left have abandoned liberalism, and normie conservatives tend to be a lot more liberal. But it's absolutely wrong to compare them to fascists. It looks like you're using "fascist" as a word for "illiberal and bad" - fascism is a political ideology focused around viewing the nation (as a people bound by blood & soil) as a single body that should act collectively in its own interest, honoring the strong and powerful. It's fundamentally different to the leftist worldview of anti-fascists who deny that nationhood is important, claim that groups acting in their own self-interest are "racist" (and therefore bad), and who honor the weak and powerless (blacks, women, immigrants, LGBT etc.).

The only similarity is opposition to liberalism and therefore suppression of dissent in a country run by either group would not be opposed on liberal grounds. Even so, I don't think most on the far-right today would censor speech nearly as much as leftists are currently doing. In fact I'm not sure any censorship regime in history is as extreme as what's happening right now.

America Is Not Racist | Change My Mind by sproketboy in politics

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I disagree. Leftists never confront their hypocrisy; attacking them using their own framing only helps reinforce their narrative that "racism" is the greatest evil that exists. At best, you get small concessions while the general culture shifts leftward.

Conservatives have been trying this for years - has it worked? Or does the left simply get more crazy over time? I think anyone who would have been convinced by the argument from hypocrisy has already jumped ship. Everyone left are bleeding-heart liberals who need to be persuaded a different way.

America Is Not Racist | Change My Mind by sproketboy in politics

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The term "racist" has to be dropped though. It was only ever a term of subversion; that's why its definition keeps changing. The left owns it. Call the people who hate white people what they are: anti-white.