New Zealand bans terror suspect's racist manifesto; citizens told to 'destroy any copies'

Node · 2019-03-25T23:37:24+00:00

False and disingenuous. The cartridges don't disappear on a good monitor. Blood is seen. Bodies jerk, and/or eject parts when shot. It's not caught on his camera, but he drops that magazine (and probably kicks it) as he turns from shooting into that room on the right, to go up the hall. All the "debunking" points fail.

Just saw a new one on a video this afternoon. Guy agrees everything was real, but cites various appearances of RED in the video as proof the shooter was surrounded by handlers the whole time. Anyway, have read hours of these arguments, often supported by screen caps or real life pics of the mosque. My contention is that it was entirely real - people were shot and died - but there's not enough data to say whether or not "handlers" were involved.

I have the shooting video 11 tabs to the right, but am guessing it would be too hot to handle for this site.

The "red handler" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TSum0TG75M&t=1s

Node · 2019-03-25T13:59:38+00:00

Yes, it all appeared very real, including the shotgun holes through the windshield, the bodies jerking with bullet impacts, and visible blood at various points.

Node · 2019-03-25T13:42:07+00:00

https://www.jamesfetzer.org/2019/03/scott-bennett-the-new-zealand-shooting-what-happened-and-why/

It's so odd to see the efforts being made by multiple sources to "debunk" the shooting, and cast it as a fake of some kind. Many of the claims in that article are blatantly false, as anyone who's watched the video would know. What is this about? Who's behind all these videos and articles trying to convince people the shooting was fake?

By Scott Bennett, Ph.D. (ABD) Former U.S. Army Psychological Operations Officer and State Department Counterterrorism Contractor

Psychological Operations Officer

Hmmm. 🤔

Node · 2019-03-24T20:45:50+00:00

Nah, he scammed his way into founder status after his own site failed, then took off for Thailand to do drugs and whatever after he got the stock options. His deal was that he'd supposedly work on coding, as a "founder", but working was too annoying for such a self-important individual.

After he just took off, his response to them asking when he was coming back to finish his work was: "fuck you, I'm not coming back."

If you watched that propaganda movie about him, it was just propaganda. Skipping out on his responsibilities was a core aspect of his character, right up to the point where he still owes a debt to society for all those felonies.

Us 2005 reddit users had a front-row seat to the drama, so you might detect a bit of bias in my opinion of that character.

Node · 2019-03-24T20:34:54+00:00

I don't know what happened (maybe one of my "lost all open tabs" events?), but at some later point I didn't get the redirect. Glad to see you're still alive and growing!

Node · 2019-03-24T07:38:36+00:00

I started seeing the decline about three years ago

I started seeing the decline when those waves of school kids started rolling in a couple years before the Digg implosion. Past 5-8 years, reddit has been an untouchable hellhole of censorship, manipulation, and the thoughts of some of the worst people in the world.

Node · 2019-03-24T06:34:28+00:00

Hey, remember when it was just 3 or 4 of us posting?

Node · 2019-03-24T06:33:31+00:00

Technically, Deadit is the future home of WatchPeopleDie. https://deadit.com/

Node · 2019-03-24T06:18:27+00:00

This site used to be called antiextremes.com

So this is what happened! Went to log in one day and the site was just gone. Looks like Dec 29, 2017 was about the last time I logged in.

Node · 2017-12-01T14:20:31+00:00

Will never look at those packages of dried peppers in the local Mexican market the same way again.

Node · 2017-12-01T06:34:09+00:00

We're all living in America

Coca Cola, sometimes war

;)

lyrics

Node · 2017-11-24T21:23:30+00:00

The model that will come for you will have defensive panels and not be easy to take out. Plus, depending on who's building them and for what purpose, the exterior appearance could be "psychologically troubling" enough that you would have no effective or quick response.

Node · 2017-11-21T04:30:54+00:00

A month here, a month there, pretty soon you're out of months.

Node · 2017-11-20T01:32:46+00:00

Ya slack off, ya don't get a mention. :(

J/k, you're probably doing an incredible amount of work behind the scenes. It will be cool to interact with other humans here someday.

Looks like tomorrow is my one month anniversary!

Node · 2017-11-19T21:28:20+00:00

Recently watched a Dr. Jordan B. Peterson video, mostly to confirm the the extent and nature of his jewish propaganda, but he did make one point that stood out to me. Not going to look for the exact quote, but to paraphrase: "Most people have no idea how much their thoughts and decisions are influenced by outside actors."

Node · 2017-11-15T16:10:10+00:00

Something to mull over, eh? ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

Node · 2017-11-13T23:10:40+00:00

When the commercial starts, skip to 36:25

Node · 2017-11-13T22:45:29+00:00

The guy is undoubtedly very bright, and comes off very well in his presentation. However, here is a video of him destroying himself in his own words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKL3MsKRtJo

What is his reason for presenting the jews as so 'benign and beneficial', when the major complaints about them are about their horrific and self-documented efforts to destroy our societies? He's definitely an interesting character. "Most of my friends are jews", he admits.

"Human beings are often controlled by forces beyond their personal understanding."

Node · 2017-11-13T18:49:13+00:00

Gross

Speaking of... Have you ever looked up those FDA regulations on how many bug parts are allowed in various types of foods? Depending on where and how you live, that may be the major source of bug (parts) entering your apartment.

For those who may wonder: "How much insect and rodent filth am I eating?", here is a taste of the regulations.

Node · 2017-11-13T18:34:54+00:00

At first I was thinking "more bugs with wings", but bug density at that altitude is probably pretty thin. More likely are critters you bring in on shoes, clothing, and supplies. Moving in furniture that's not brand new would establish the initial colonies. Depending on critter type and building layout, some migration from adjacent living spaces is likely.

Node · 2017-11-06T19:34:09+00:00

It's a pretty openly criminal regime.

Node · 2017-10-30T18:40:39+00:00

He won't, but when those 10,000 IQ AIs come along, they'll probably be pumping out new Zappa tunes indistinguishable from the master.

Node · 2017-10-30T18:30:04+00:00

things can be in "possession" of the state while the "ownership" is retained by the people, just like corporations do not truly "own" stuff but all the things "in possession" of a corporation are owned by its shareholders.

I would accept that technicality, but in real life, the state effectively owns everything within its borders. Citizens are effectively "club members", with all the rights and responsibilities thereof.

the plight of the individual

Individuals are responsible for creating their own plights. No one is 'owed' a plight, especially those who did nothing but suck up resources for the first 10 or 20 years of their membership. Looked at another way, it could be argued that they owe an enormous debt for their very existence. To their direct caregivers, yes, but they're also living on "club grounds" under a provisional exception to their duty to provide value in exchange.

Now, I can see the validity of other forms of living arrangements. Living tribally can work - when the population in a given area is low enough. Then you need no real borders, because resources in the area are sufficient, and replenished faster than they're used up. We unfortunately no longer live in that world. Whole world is sliced and diced, mapped and claimed. There are very few places one can exist without a country membership. Pressure is getting so great that some of the cracks appear to be threatening the whole system. So maybe we will get back to that tribal/alternate way of living, or tech advances will effectively solidify control over the masses à la manière de Brave New World.

I guess I'm arguing for "what is" rather than what should or could be, but maybe I'm blurring the edges a bit.

Node · 2017-10-29T23:56:08+00:00

Yow, I think I'd rather listen to recordings of rabbits being tortured. lol We have very different tastes in music, but am upvoting you for posting content. Cheers!

Node · 2017-10-29T20:34:16+00:00

i do not recognize the state as the owner of anything, the state is just a vehicle representing the individuals

A state that own nothing can't function. At the least, they would almost seem to need paper and pencil, with a desk in a non-borrowed space. Then, how do they get around or contact people? Would they walk to coffee shops to meet people? Then if they write something as a result, they may need a filing cabinet for the papers. Really seems like they would need to own stuff just to function at any level.

Yes, they represent us (or are supposed to, anyway...), so that's why we fund them and give them authority to act in our names and interests.

the individual is the foundation of all ownership rights

Agreed, but without the existence of individuals, ownership and basic human concepts would not exist. Is there another school of thought on this that makes any sense?

Without getting into deep philosophical arguments that I'm sure have been hashed out long ago, individual owners can group together and form governments to represent them, to which they assign part of their assets. Part of that process is making the government like a "super-agent" for the territory within it's borders.

In my view, being born within that territory (legally, by citizens, and etc.) should make you a default member of the association known as "your country". If you fail to abide by its rules and behavioral standards, then the association should have you removed or evicted. Staying within the country is tacit acknowledgement and agreement with the rules. Forming a competing jurisdiction within another jurisdiction seems logically invalid. In a biological sense, that sounds like disease. In a societal sense, it sounds like a demand for whatever level of violence is required to resolve the issue.

many of the smaller nations around the world are peaceful and often prosperous.

Pushovers that don't need military conquest to extract concessions and/or resources.

Am not impressed by my above argument. It sounds like someone who has never studied government forms, which is what it actually is... Even though I'm failing to properly articulate the argument that country borders should be inviolate, and that members of a country have a duty to protect and defend it, it seems like the only sustainable model. That's more based on just living a long time and paying some attention to other humans. if humans change into something else, then maybe other models would work better.

Node · 2017-10-29T19:47:02+00:00

Became curious from that recent weev video. Then read that whole thing, despite the length. Fascinating world they live in.

Node · 2017-10-28T20:18:17+00:00

Do like articles critiquing propaganda in other articles, but feel like I need another to point out the Russian angle.

Node · 2017-10-28T16:20:15+00:00

What about the rights of the people who don't want to live in chaos? Why should members of any group have the right to steal from other members of the group? I'm not seeing the basis here.

And how far do you want to go with this?

If you rent or lease out a house, can the tenants declare independence and seize your house? Can individuals living in Catalonia continue the process until every single property is its own country?

Node · 2017-10-28T06:01:35+00:00

Proven technique, but perhaps could be judged as "too light-handed" for the current situation? The probable majority in Catalonia who don't want their region destroyed need to see a strong signal from the "presumed competent government" that they are indeed that.

Node · 2017-10-27T20:34:58+00:00

Really, more of a declaration of attempted theft. If territories within a countries borders, what is the point of forming a country?

If you rent or lease out a house, can the tenants declare independence and seize your house? Can individuals living in Catalonia continue the process until every single property is its own country?

Rhetorical questions. Decide if it's war or a criminal conspiracy, then act accordingly.

Node · 2017-10-25T05:27:28+00:00

Ah, I won't be posting enough of links like this. What if you made a sub explicitly for stuff that doesn't fit in the existing subs? At least until people can start making their own.

And yeah, missed the video sub on that elk post.

Node · 2017-10-24T23:21:43+00:00

But many decisions by other people will necessarily affect you. The color your neighbor paints their house will affect your property values. Decisions by random people to move to your town affect how much water you'll have, how much space will be available for you in public spaces, and on and on. If food store owners decided your area is no longer safe enough, they'll all leave and how far will you drive for food?

Your "independent" clothing choices will affect decisions made by buyers. Small influence from you alone, but the aggregate drives the clothing and fashion industries.

I think I see what you're getting at, and that used to work in the old days. Now, there are too many people, and the ramifications of that make actual independence difficult, if not impossible. I agree that independence is highly desirable, but our society took the overpopulation road over my objections.

Node · 2017-10-24T23:04:53+00:00

Krebs is like an autist from /pol/ who somehow ended up with a legitimate business. Amazing article.

Node · 2017-10-24T17:14:31+00:00

the idea everyone deserves their independence

It has a good sound to it, but how does that play out in reality? Every individual on their own with no alliances? (the logical result)

Once you begin forming alliances with other humans, you're no longer independent. Basic example of this is finding a mate. Now you've created your own "mini-state". Have kids, and now you need laws and enforcement.

A species needs at least this level of interdependence to survive, so total independence is clearly out. So is the family unit the best level of independence? Them against the world? Perhaps a village? Maybe a few villages? A state? A country?

Note: I somewhat agree with the idea of local control over ones affairs, with 'local' being roughly one days walking distance. It was a mistake to advance technology to the point where local control no longer works.

Node · 2017-10-24T16:45:04+00:00

Sounds very reasonable, and in line with the goal of having moderators active on the subs they control or assist with.

Node · 2017-10-24T16:42:34+00:00

satanic

That's a separate issue. Just wanted to show the "so many subs he couldn't possibly moderate them" aspect of it.

Node · 2017-10-23T03:43:09+00:00

You can call me THX 1138

Agree with you completely.

Node · 2017-10-23T03:40:32+00:00

Right. Forgot that Canada has caught it too.

Node · 2017-10-23T03:34:24+00:00

That's true, but in the case of countries, it seems like their most basic duty is to maintain themselves as an organization. The actual size is less important than maintaining credibility as a going concern, as they say. You start looking unstable, and it becomes more difficult to make favorable deals, and your costs go up.

Aside from the moral and philosophical arguments against self-dismemberment, which I believe are stronger, the more compelling and practical argument against it is its historic success in destroying ones own country/territory through civil war.

Node · 2017-10-22T20:50:15+00:00

This is what countries do. If a country can't defend its own integrity, what validity does it have?

Node · 2017-10-22T19:37:51+00:00

Note: At this juncture, I believe the prison time only applies in California and the UK. In California, at least, incorrect pronoun usage is only criminal in Nursing Homes, so far.

Node · 2017-10-21T23:45:09+00:00

As a technology, walls are incredibly functional. A couple recent examples of border walls effectively keeping out invaders and/or terrorists are Israel and Hungry.

Israel: Israeli officials (including the head of the Shin Bet) quoted in the newspaper Maariv have said that in the areas where the barrier was complete, the number of hostile infiltrations has decreased to almost zero. Maariv also stated that Palestinian militants, including a senior member of Islamic Jihad, had confirmed that the barrier made it much harder to conduct attacks inside Israel. Since the completion of the fence in the area of Tulkarm and Qalqilyah in June 2003, there have been no successful attacks from those areas. All attacks were intercepted or the suicide bombers detonated prematurely.[51] In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada. - wikipedia

Hungry: Hungary has slashed illegal immigration by over 99 per cent after rolling out a series of powerful border fences in response to the European migrant crisis.

https://www.rt.com/news/403738-hungary-border-fence-migrants/

Note: Walls are just the physical barrier that cost the attacker time and energy. They need to be backed up with effective and timely responses by humans (or their assignees) to take further action.

Node · 2017-10-21T23:04:07+00:00

I agree with Jesus on the sub-10 limit. Pretty sure you don't want to end up with guys modding 171 subs.

https://www.reddit.com/user/davidreiss666/

The once per week limit, with the initial delay, seems like a reasonable way to combat drive-by shilling too. And/or just to give the miscreants time to identify themselves. If they can hold it in for two weeks, maybe that's how they normally are.

Node · 2017-10-21T22:51:05+00:00

Might be worthwhile contacting https://voat.co/user/PuttItOut to see how they're handling this ongoing DDOS attack. Better to know how to deal with that in advance.

Node · 2017-10-21T22:46:02+00:00

An infamous example:

https://www.reddit.com/user/davidreiss666/

MODERATOR OF r/LifeProTips r/food r/history r/GetMotivated r/bestof … and 166 more ⇒

Node · 2017-10-21T22:43:16+00:00

Don't know of any 'good' ways. Basically have to monitor them for a while, just to get a sense of what the person operating the account is like. Still pretty easy for shills to wear a good guy mask while situating themselves.

Let's face it, unpaid positions requiring work need some kind of compensation. It's too easy for that to be the power that comes from controlling the dialog.

Node · 2017-10-21T21:54:37+00:00

Proposed rule: A limit on the maximum number of subs one can own. (what number? 5? 10? 500?)

Reddit has mods who own hundreds of subs, which is 'kind of' okay when they're not significant. But with users comes the need to moderate, and everyone has a limit to the number of subs they can moderate effectively.

"Haven't seen the mods in months"

Not uncommon on some reddit subs.

Node · 2017-10-21T21:35:10+00:00

Hey, that sounds like a great idea!

Node · 2017-10-21T07:21:41+00:00

Is that not DHADGC?

Node · 2017-10-21T04:02:50+00:00

The fundamental cause is too many humans. The details of whether it's from the burning of forests or the exhaust from fossil fuels is incidental.

Node · 2017-10-21T03:02:48+00:00

Secretary Clinton’s top vulnerability tested in this poll is the attack that claims as Secretary of State she signed off on a deal that gave the Russian government control over twenty percent of America's uranium production, after investors in the deal donated over one hundred and forty million dollars to the Clinton Foundation. Half of all likely voters (53%) are less likely to support Clinton after hearing that statement and 17% are much less likely to support her after that statement.

Why isn't she 50 years in jail, you might ask.

Node · 2017-10-20T23:46:19+00:00

But if you have to shorten it to one letter, stay with 'X' or you get subby. ლ(ಠ_ಠლ)

Node · 2017-10-20T23:34:46+00:00

How about SubExtremes? Same number of syllables as 'subreddit', and embodies the founding principle of the site. SubExtreme = less than extreme

Could be SubX, but pronounced subextreme...

Node · 2017-10-20T23:09:25+00:00

You may want to limit the number of subs any one person can create/control to prevent the typical monopolies and power plays. Ideally people will create subs to create discussions rather then as a land rush to grab territory.

And somewhat related, can just anyone check the top subreddits (subverses) list and then replicate them here? Or any notable site name, for that matter. r/NYTimes? r/DailyStormer?

You may already have policies on this. If not, something to consider. I'll bet you have a fun to do list.

Node · 2017-10-20T22:56:00+00:00

https://voat.co/v/news/2201133

Sorry, looks like I lost the last 3 above.

Reddit user u/magnora7 says Reddit went to one extreme and Voat to another; creates "reddit clone" website called antiextremes.com (news)

Node · 2017-10-20T19:52:30+00:00

https://voat.co/v/news/220113

Your press on voat. Definitely appreciate the free expression, but wish the quality of conversation were higher.

Node · 2017-10-20T18:17:38+00:00

I'm pretty far to the right, politically, and hope to see actual legitimate debate and conversations without the reddit 'snark' and the voat 'niggers'. The C_S_T model seems pretty cool, but this seems like it could be an incredible moderation challenge. Finding enough honest moderators who will work without pay could be an even bigger challenge.

If you can pull off the honest moderator thing, you'll have surpassed Sisyphus. Even if you fail at the impossible, any movement in that direction is refreshing.

I was on reddit for 11 years, and have seen it all. (Remember Saydrah?) Maybe in 2030 I'll be like, "yep, I was antiextremes back when it was cool." lol, j/k. Anyway, cheers! And good luck!

Node · 2017-10-20T16:56:34+00:00

Because the only people upset at Nestle are the extremists, and they failed to understand the argument.

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