When Having Children: Quality vs Quantity

frodo-baggins · 2020-09-22T20:56:02+00:00

Firstborn children have younger parents. Average quality of both sperm and eggs goes down with age.

That doesnt mean we shouldn't have as many kids as possible. We need White children for our race to survive.

frodo-baggins · 2020-09-16T06:09:59+00:00

Fair enough.

frodo-baggins · 2020-09-14T23:27:31+00:00

Sorry, I should have stated my question better: What are the benefits of being a Nazi?

frodo-baggins · 2020-09-14T17:37:41+00:00

What are the benefits?

I agree with the first part of that. There is functionally no difference between how TS are treated vs. real Nazis

frodo-baggins · 2020-09-05T22:53:26+00:00

Its a slightly good thing, but a total diversion, in typical Trump fashion. On the same day, Trump's DHS designated "White supremacy" as the biggest domestic threat. One step forward, 2 steps back.

I will still vote for Trump, but only because he is truly the accelerationist choice. BLM will riot like weve never seem before if Trump wins.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-30T11:13:25+00:00

Yes, slashing school budgets for being "too White" and teaching our kids from an early age to hate their own people (child abuse) is just "not kissing our ass".

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-25T19:25:14+00:00

I agree with Nick, at least for the Anglosphere. Just wish he would share some of the ideas, so we could emulate them. Although its understandable that he wouldnt want antifa to know exactly what his plans are.

In the east, there is hope. Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, and Estonia all have genuine right wing parties worth supporting.

Maybe Sweden too- I dont know enough about SD to know if they are controlled or not. Denmark is also fairly anti-immigration, at least culturally. (Although their political organization needs work.)

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-22T13:35:41+00:00

Less schizoposting

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-21T07:15:35+00:00

Whats his telegram? Worth a follow.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-21T02:19:08+00:00

Ah, damn. I hope shes alright.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-20T12:13:33+00:00

Tbh I think the barn+suits was a great move. Anti-modern aesthetic.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-20T07:15:32+00:00

Watched the whole speech, it was good. Best of luck to them. I'll vote for them if they run a candidate where I am.

I fear that they have little hope. Nick Griffin talked about this, how the electoral path is pretty much entirely closed for anyone who can actually save our people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBXE39MkZx4

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-20T06:38:48+00:00

Yeah, something definitely seems off.

I'm a skeptic on JQ myself but... It's getting harder to ignore. Unpregnant is written and directed by "Rachel Lee Goldenberg". You can't make this stuff up.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-20T05:56:31+00:00

You're right, I guess. It would be career suicide for him.

Michelle Malkin is pretty based now though. There are normiecons out there who will risk their careers for what is right.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-20T03:17:44+00:00

Definitely a white pill- does she have a Youtube/Bitchute channel we can follow?

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-17T13:30:21+00:00

While I support the idea, at the end of the day we cant rely on platforms that hate our guts. What we really need to do is get normie content onto Bitchute, Gab, and so on. If normal people start using platforms that we have a voice on, then we can reach them far easier.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-17T00:00:06+00:00

Im sorry, this is a cope.

The system will not lay down and die on its own, just like Q will not take it down for us.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-16T07:20:24+00:00

Impressive!

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-15T23:21:53+00:00

Interesting, that is good to hear. I was kind of black pilled looking at poll results (SD in third place, while they used to be 1st) but if all parties are moving right that is good.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-15T12:59:07+00:00

What happens when it dies? How does it die?

The riots are a flex of their power and total control. Every corporation out there donated millions and billions to BLM as they looted their stores and burned cities.

I support white pills, but its got to be real hope. We cant just expect the anti-White system to just lay down and collapse of its own volition.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-15T12:56:06+00:00

Any hope for repatriation? Or a explicitly Swedish part of Sweden?

That is good to hear but it seems like your demographic time bomb has been set. Even if you shut off all immigration you'll be replaced by birthrates alone.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-13T20:50:20+00:00

Bitch what

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-11T14:51:24+00:00

What will your reaction be?

As someone whose been called a "racist liberal" on this board, what should my reaction be? If Jared Taylor is my ilk, that is good company.

In general my plan is to White flight out of my current (non White heavy) area regardless of the winner.

Balkanization would be ideal at this point. But wishing for Balkanization does not make it happen.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-10T08:20:47+00:00

I'll check it out when I have time.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-09T16:47:10+00:00

I was looking around wikipedia for early life yesterday.

Calling out the phenomenon of "fellow Whites" and praising Hitler are 2 very different things. Praising Hitler is both wrong and very un-optical.

Early life is a semivoptical way to redpill normies. Early life in this sub, which few normies visit, is fine.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-09T16:16:44+00:00

Im not running for office, and Im not a Nazi.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-09T16:12:43+00:00

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-09T03:04:54+00:00

So why is Orban bad then? He targets Soros especially because Soros is especially bad.

Tbh I don't feel like listening to a 40 minute podcast. I might later but not now. I got the jist, that Finkelstein directed everyone's anger onto Soros to protect other people.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-08T23:18:41+00:00

Bruh youre an NS and youre using "racist" as a pejorative. Ok.

Juat because there are other bad people out there than Soros doesn't mean Soros and his foundations arent a major problem.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T23:02:29+00:00

Is Viktor Orban a Nazi in your opinion? What about America in the 1940s and 1950s? What about Japan today?

I have far more in common with those. I would much rather hold up Hungary, Japan, and America's past as examples to aspire to. They are much better examples to aspire to in any case.

Economics: Tariffs and immigration restriction.

Culture: Pull government funding for academic institutions (or any other institutions, for that matter) that push anti-White narratives, "gender studies", and so on.

City planning: Allow people to voluntarily form communities such as Orania if they wish to do so. This right would apply for every race, not just White people. It would also be completely voluntary- nothing mandatory. Repeal AFFH and 1968 FHA.

Mental and physical health: Not much the government can do. What would you do?

Education: See culture.

State: White ethnostate, ideally. That doesn't mean no minorities, we have to treat everyone well within our borders. But we can give people subsidies to leave, and we can restrict new immigrants to White people of good character.

Political enemies: Civnats, neocons, left wingers. Multinational corporations importing cheap labor. The rootless cosmopolitan elite.

I diverge from NS:

-I don't think of Israel, or Jews as a whole, as the enemy. I don't deny the phenomenon of "fellow Whites" not being White, but many of those Jews have forsaken Israel and are openly pro-Palestine. Netanyahu is not their guy. The "rootless cosmopolitan elite" includes a disproportionate number of Jews, but many of them are also White or another race entirely.

-Everyone has rights. We should subsidize the emigration of non-Whites, including Jews, but we should not be putting them in camps, killing them, or violating their rights in any other way.

-I believe in free speech. Censorship is bad even if our side does it.

-Most importantly, I think the Holocaust, as well as the other genocides committed, happened. I also think they were terrible atrocities that should not be repeated.

Democratic socialists in America don't go around praising the Soviet Union or Cuba. Maybe a few wackos do, but the majority of them stay optical. Why shouldn't we do the same?

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T21:36:35+00:00

That will be a lot better than being pro Nazi. You don't have to be a Nazi to care about the fate of your people. I do not support the Nazis but I think we have a right to a homeland. I also think the most ideal way to achieve that is a White ethnostate. All of that is peaceful, and we can treat minorities exceptionally well with subsidies and payments to leave that territory- not ghettos and camps.

If you poll "do you think White people have a right to exist" and "do you like Nazis" among the general public, which do you think will perform better? If you're trying to gain support for the movement, which one do you want to campaign on?

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T19:40:14+00:00

Fair enough. Your idea is the one behind the Northwest Front, and I hope it works.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T19:37:37+00:00

My belief isnt that the Nazis are great, my belief is that White people have a right to exist. There is nothing to mask.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T18:51:45+00:00

How do we achieve that?

Poster/sticker campaigns are a good start, but what else?

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T18:50:21+00:00

He never said we should apologize. We have to normalize a pro-White message, that politicians should compete for who helps White people the most.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T17:03:05+00:00

The question is what normies think, not what the media thinks. The media will slander us no matter what- what we have to do is make them slander us for things that expose them as anti-White.

That's why "It's OK To Be White" was such a genius campaign.

If normies see someone praising Hitler they will turn their brain off and disregard anything else that person says. Optics matter- we just have to direct our optics to normies rather than to the media.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T14:41:46+00:00

Well, ok. They should have Towler in charge because she can't be slandered like that.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T09:28:20+00:00

I wonder where they'll put section 8 housing, and send the next wave of refugees? All while the city is bankrupted by a million well funded lawsuits by anti-White NGOs?

The system does not play fair. That is the least they will do.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T02:52:43+00:00

PA = patriotic alternative.

The fact that Collett allegedly praised a certain 20th century German. Im sure its a bullshit accusation but we can already see the slander theyre going to blast day and night if PA gets any kind of traction.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-07T02:50:06+00:00

Isnt it cringy when leftists bust a nut over AOC?

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-06T22:35:12+00:00

She did a good job in the debate, but this shows exactly how Collett is going to be raked over the coals day and night by the British press once PA gains traction.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-06T22:33:10+00:00

🚫No e-girls🚫Never e-girls🚫

Shes based and a good person to support. No reason to say that cringy shit.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-02T01:47:44+00:00

Why?

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-02T01:37:29+00:00

Reading books, camping, exercise, chilling with friends.

Alcohol or weed in moderation are ok, there's nothing wrong with a special occasion. But you should be able to have fun without it, and go for weeks or months without consuming any to avoid forming a habit.

frodo-baggins · 2020-08-01T12:41:34+00:00

Yeah thats facts.

Light and Darkness is one of the best WB mods if you havent played that yet.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-31T16:19:39+00:00

So how do we gain a voice, other than spreading truth as far as we can ourselves?

Defeatism is not helpful.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-30T13:12:11+00:00

Haha, yeah. Masks being a social norm really is great if we learn to use it to our advantage. A lot of face recognition software doesnt even work if youre wearing a mask.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-30T06:59:40+00:00

Any reupload? The title sounds fire

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-29T20:36:09+00:00

Thats good.

I feel like we should (with some slick graphic design) have stats and facts on some flyers too. So the flyers themselves will redpill people, not just the blatant anti White response from the media.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-29T16:19:21+00:00

Thanks. And I agree, that is another good aspect.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-25T13:56:27+00:00

Its a decent show to binge small segments of.

I can take a shit and watch someone get arrested all at once!

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-23T07:29:29+00:00

Yeah, its at least a less pants-on-head retarded take, he can at least recognize the blatant anti White hatred.

Its also a no name right wing website. What normies are going to see it?

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-22T02:10:19+00:00

Man, that is a black pill but I can't refute you.

What is the way forward then? Other than making ourselves anti-fragile on an individual level, of course. We have to either find a way to help people when they are doxxed, or have at our disposal a proportionate response when they maliciously try to destroy our lives.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-21T00:24:27+00:00

Yes, but rather than laying low, we should get optical White advocates involved in local politics.

We also should try to move to areas with the most like minded people- in order to support each other when the inevitable anti-Whites come to get us fired, targeted for mob violence, and ultimately destroy our lives in every single way they can.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-20T11:48:46+00:00

What if Kanye wins?

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-20T05:05:29+00:00

There are over 4.6 million Whites in South Africa, many of them languishing in poverty due to "Black economic empowerment". How are they supposed to pay thousands of dollars to move to America or Europe, then wait years while the immigration process happens, especially while they are getting killed every day in their own homes?

This is after 800,000 have emigrated already. The rich leave, the poor get massacred. It's a familiar pattern, that we must put a stop to.

Afrikaners need a Volkstaat, not to be entirely wiped out of their own homeland.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-20T04:53:24+00:00

He wasn't trespassing, he was just going onto private property that he doesn't own.

If someone goes for your gun, isn't that legitimate cause for self defense?

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-19T03:50:01+00:00

He was trespassing on a construction site, then went for Travis's gun. What a great citizen.

Of course the owner said he Dindu Nuffin- the mobs would have come for him too if he said otherwise.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-19T03:47:05+00:00

Why? South Africa is Boer land, they have lived there for centuries, and built a great country before Black supremacists took it over.

Zimbabwe still runs on highways built by White Rhodesians- the infrastructure that ZANU didnt blow up, that is.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-18T20:42:34+00:00

Fair enough. I don't know his history, but I do think purity spirals can destroy a movement and make us far more unappealing if we push away people who are curious, checking out what we have to say, but aren't yet fully on board. We should go after the real civnats who are trying to hijack and neuter the right (like Charlie Kirk) rather than infighting.

The genocide of Whites in SA is totally indefensible. It's a major redpill, and something we should publicize to our fullest ability.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-18T17:25:42+00:00

Jogger is political though. Ahmaud Arbery was "jogging" and definitely not doing anything illegal...

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-18T17:10:29+00:00

The Nazi caricatures are more likely to be feds or AHS losers than people like Salos. Ive never seen salos advocate for colorblind civnatism- our aim should be on the civnats, not optical white advocate.

We need to wake up normie Whites, not have autistic circlejerks about being Nazis. That is why Voat is so garbage.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-18T17:05:14+00:00

The point is to stay optical, not to be civnat cucks.

In order to wake up more White people, they have to understand that we are not wacko nutjobs. That you can love your own people without hating anyone.

If you want to wake people up on JQ, point out inconsistencies. Early life, Jews pretending to be White while not identifying as such, Israel being an ethnostate, Nick Cannon can hate Whites but not Jews, and so on.

If you sperg out and talk like the caricature of a Nazi everyone has been taught to hate since birth, you'll only confirm their false assumptions about us.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T21:05:40+00:00

Even if youre right (which Im not convinced of), this is a losing battle for you.

We have to convince White people to love themselves. Defending the people weve been conditioned to hate the most will have the opposite effect.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T21:02:17+00:00

Interesting. I suppose its always worth reconnecting.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T19:22:13+00:00

Look up the Congo Crisis. Yes, they pretty much just abandoned the colony.

Not because they needed Suez specifically. Suez Crisis was the historical turning point that put "decolonization" into full gear.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T18:12:38+00:00

USSR supported Egypt because they were doing all they could to weaken Western Europe.

America supported Egypt because Eisenhower thought he could get Nasser (and the rest of subsequently decolonized Africa) on America's side. The concern was that Britain and France's actions could strengthen Soviet links with liberation movements, which were already fully aligned with the Soviets. It was the first of the typical American cuckery we know today- betraying our own people in the hope our enemies will take our side. I really can't give a coherent explanation for why we did this pants-on-head retarded move.

This caused the collapse of the British Empire, and a pretty immediate end to colonies in general. The first major casualty was the Belgian Congo, which was actually prospering during the 1950s and creating a Black middle class, and opportunities for the native Blacks while still protecting Whites as well. As soon as Belgium pulled out, the Whites were killed, and the country fell into civil war. Whites were killed across all of "decolonized" Africa, as "decolonization" means Whites who can afford to leave do so, and those who cannot afford to leave get killed.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T17:23:53+00:00

Suez Crisis. Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal, Britain and France supported an Israeli invasion (with Israel promising to return the canal to its rightful owners) and then the USSR and America took Egypt's side. Europe/Isreal won militarily, but the threat of sanctions from Eisenhower forced a withdrawl. This was the last time Western Europe supported its own interests. America's betrayal during Suez directly led to the genocide of Whites all across Africa, starting with the Congo Crisis just a couple years later.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T16:01:36+00:00

There are people doing HEMA in most areas, for one thing. Ive been finding a lot of European folk music online, and Ive met a few people in real life who are into that too. Not sure about religions, I know Asatru is a thing but Ive never involved myself with that.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T15:09:48+00:00

If we all have many children, we will survive. Thats it, we just have to do our part.

Yes, waking people up is very good too.

Things may look bleak, but they are not hopeless. There is always hope as long as there are people like us.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T09:48:26+00:00

Do you think the Nazis were innocent? What do you think happened at the concentration camps?

When we have nearly every historical figure agreeing with us wholeheartedly, why do you idolize the most hated?

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T04:17:09+00:00

Yes, we are being purposely isolated by the system that hates everything about us.

Personally, I solved this by narrowing my scope. I built strong connections with a few people (all of whom are based) rather than trying to maintain a large circle with many people. Ultimately, when you start a family, your social circles will contract like that anyway.

Remember that there are more of us than you think, and you can only know by speaking one on one with people you trust- without the leftist social pressure to conform.

I think European traditions, religions, and arts will attract more of /ourguys/ than Buddhism or other Eastern mysticism. But of course, follow your own interests. If you look hard enough, there will always be likeminded people wherever you go.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T03:36:04+00:00

Thats retarded, don't spread black pills for no reason. 10% (with most of that being White Hispanic) is a giant failure of the miscegenation propaganda that is being pushed on us all the time. Especially, the low rates of White men/Asian women and White women/Black men are proof that we are stronger than the propaganda.

What really matters is the White birthrate. We all need to have 3 or more White children, and teach them to love their own people. That is perfectly achievable for each and every one of us.

Furthermore, if we are the ones driving the White birthrate, we will literally outbreed White guilt. This is the ultimate long game to wake our people up.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T03:06:59+00:00

1956-1957. America betrays Britain and France in favor of Egypt and the USSR. This put "decolonization" into full swing, and ultimately led to the West itself being colonized by the 3rd world.

Yes, Israel were the good guys then. If we hadn't betrayed the West during the Suez Crisis, we would have avoided the genocide of Whites all across Africa. And America wouldnt have to pander to the 3rd world, which would be much more prosperous as well. (Pandering to third world countries was partially the point of Hart-Cellar)

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T00:31:48+00:00

You wont red pill anyone going that route.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T00:30:38+00:00

Optics check buddy.

He's a mass murderer on par with Stalin. We absolutely should disassociate ourselves from him. We have so many better heroes who support our cause, that many normies look up to as well.

Every founding father agreed to citizenship being restricted to "Free White men of good character".

Abraham Lincoln wanted the freed slaves sent back to Africa.

Muhammad Ali, Malcolm X, and other Black icons heavily opposed miscegenation, for the same reasons that we do. If we are all mixed into one monotonous slop, that will destroy every culture, not just ours.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-17T00:21:12+00:00

Replacement is real, you don't have to convince me. There are powerful people who have made the absolute eradication of White people their goal.

The question is, how do we save ourselves? In order to do so, we need a significant percent of Whites to reject the anti-White indoctrination.

The best way to do this is to advocate FOR White people, not against any other group. The guy in the UK who flew a White Lives Matter flag in response to a Libyan migrant killing White people is a good example. The people spreading the news about Jessica Whitaker are doing good work as well.

Before we save our people, we have to convince enough of us that we need to be saved. The mass censorship and control of the media has shut many Whites off from information that they need to see. We need to spread the word about the death of Jessica Whitaker like the death of George Floyd was. (Or the White babies killed by Blacks in a Baltimore day care, or the White senior citizen beaten to death by a Black in the nursing home, or the murder of Duncan Lemp, or any of the other countless murders and attacks against our people that go unreported every day.)

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-15T15:56:51+00:00

This. White advocates should promote 1940s and 1950s Americanism, not genocidal autism.

That may mean separatism at this point. Our demographic fate is sealed if you include California and other states that have been flooded with the 3rd world we need just one small country for White Americans to live in peace. In no way ever does it mean mass murder or LARPing as a Nazi.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-14T13:01:04+00:00

Replace "otherwise" with "because"

A Biden victory will calm down the mobs that are waking so many people up.

This anti White violence in the streets is perversely good for us- it forces an identity onto normies. It is also terrible optics for the anti-Whites, as effective as the water cannons were at destroying Bull Connor.

In exchange for this reduction in blatant mask-off hatred, Biden (well, his advisors- nobody's home in Biden's head) will rachet up to 11 the actual anti White dipossession, replacement, and discrimination. There may be less mobs, but have fun with the felony you'll get when you call the police on a home invader, or say the wrong thing and cop a hate speech charge.

Trump is both the accelerationist choice and the objectively better choice.

These anti Trump threads are a cope for Trump being a terrible disappointment. That may be true. Trump is not our savior. But it can and will get worse under Biden, and change can and will become even more impossible.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-13T15:39:04+00:00

Yeah, I never got the DM, just came because I knew beforehand. It would be nice to get more of the old Reddit community here again.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-13T09:26:31+00:00

We obviously will get very little Black support- given that they could pick their own domination instead.

However, we need to make this abundantly clear to normie Whites. Loving our own people does not imply a hatred towards any others.

It's also true. In ethnostates, oppression between races will be solved, because everyone will be living among and governed by their own people.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-11T17:29:22+00:00

MediaGiant has old tv shows and stuff, good to have some apolitical content in your feed too.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-11T16:05:17+00:00

Just be pro White. Pro White doesnt mean anti Black. Black people could have their own ethnostate too, if they wish.

We dont need revenge, we just need one small place where we wont be dispossessed by another horde of migrants. Where we can build, and pass down what we build to our children and grandchildren.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-11T12:55:46+00:00

It's not like you're making a whole town just for white people.

That's exactly what it is.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-10T23:32:22+00:00

If I sold a plot to a White person, but refused to sell to a non-white person, then yes, I would be sued and/or prosecuted under current law.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-10T17:06:37+00:00

It wouldnt though. It would kill Trump and the few people who are sympathetic at all to dissidents. Nikki Haley, Mitt Romney, etc. would be back in control of the Republicans. As bad as Trump is, the Republicans will become even more useless.

Imagine hate speech laws and reparations, thats the Biden presidency and the Nikki Haley/Mitt Romney "opposition".

They will crack down on all opposition, and the left will stop burning their cities down.

Im sorry to say, Trump is both the better accelerationist and the better candidate in general for us. Its unfortunate he's such a retard.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-10T15:54:27+00:00

Because nonwhites would be refused to buy a stake, and then we would immediately get sued.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-10T12:43:12+00:00

There literally is no legal way to do it in America. We need a self determination clause, as South Africa has.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-10T10:00:27+00:00

No, it would be impossible because of the laws in this country. If we had laws similar to Mandela's South African constitution, that would not be the case.

You've said that you don't have a problem with us creating our own community, but you celebrate that we will be destroyed by malicious outside forces.

frodo-baggins · 2020-07-09T16:24:43+00:00

Fair enough.

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