Thinking about grand strategy and contingency plans.

submitted by Aureus from self.debatealtright

We do not need the 9 billionth post about how the progressive left are bad. We all know the progressive left are bad. We need to start thinking about strategy.

The commonly accepted strategy seems to be building communities in rural areas, laying low, and having lots of kids. Do you agree with this? Would you flesh it out more, or go another route entirely?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

That's not a strategy that's called white flight and you can see the results of it across the entire west for the past 50+ years. It doesn't achieve anything.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Please explain to me how whites staying in cities is a good idea? Your children will be brainwashed, non whites will have open season on you, you will have no community and malicious DA's will fuck with you at every opportunity. Even the economic opportunities that big cities afforded in the past are drying up.

The white flight of yesteryear was largely an NPC impulse to be safe. The type of white flight OP is talking about (life raft strategy) is a chance for whites to re-group and /ourguys/ to have genuine opportunities to safely meet IRL.

I do agree that white flight for the suburbs was a jew trap in the past. Now it's just survival. In fact the Jews don't want us in the country anymore. Agenda 21 touches on this. They want EVERYONE in the cities.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The one thing I can think of is perhaps dilution of political power. Forget where I read it but it was something like the creation of suburbs decreased the density which resulted in people being less civically minded/cohesive as they weren't in close proximity to their neighbors anymore.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That goal has largely been achieved though. EMJ talked about this in his book Slaughter of Cities. Ethnic Catholics had their voting blocks broken up by a protestant Jew alliance.

Catholics haven't been a real force in right wing politics for decades though (and not in mainstream media for half a century). They are physically and ideologically divided (I think they split the vote on both Obama and Trump).

In fact helping out the red states with more white movement to rural areas is probably a good thing.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why would anyone want to help the GOP continue to make white people as poor as possible?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Voting red slows down our genocide. In some ways I'm an accelerationist. I want things to be bad on white liberals and normie conservatives so they will be forced into looking at the third position. However, I'm not sure a biden vote or not voting is the best strategy. When I say help red states I'm not just talking about federal elections. Local elections matter and local republicans are not as bad as the national level politicians. Many local right wing politicians are literally our last hope and with enough of /ourguys/ moving into small towns we can pressure those guys to lean our direction or get voted out. Keeping rural america from going moderate is a good strategy.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Does it? The 1965 immigration act and the civil rights act both have more support from the GOP than the Dems. 6/9 of the last presidents have been GOP. All voting red does is pacify white people while the same Jews do what they're going to do regardless of who's in charge. The difference between Red tie and Blue tie is entirely imaginary.

Local elections matter and local republicans are not as bad as the national level politicians

They're worse. They cut all the benefits and shit to the white people who live in their area while those same white people have to pay the federal taxes to fund the blue states who are receiving these same benefits.

Who is it that gets targeted by the opiate peddlers? It's poor white people in red states, where are their based and redpilled representatives? In the pocket of the Sacklers is where.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude. You're preaching to the choir. The conservatives movement and the republicans have hurt whites terribly. They are nothing but controlled opposition. However, it's not as difficult as you think to take control of local city governments if you get a large enough network of people thinking like you. I don't know where you live but I'm in an area with several small towns totally off the political radar. They regularly tell the state to fuck off. It's stupid for the dissident right to 100% abandon the electoral/political process (it might make sense in the UK but not the states). That would be a disaster and just lead to massive acceleration. There are different types of acceleration and if things accelerate before whites can form strong cypto ethnic enclaves around north america we are toast. You underestimate how many white liberals would gladly see us hunted down and executed as domestic terrorists and the Jew media will make them feel like heros for it. The only way to stop that is networks of people and the only way to build networks if to get young white men out of the city basement and onto farms and ranches doing shit with their hands and building families. An atomized white gamer in the city wage cucking is already dead. A young man with a large family who owns land and has 20 people he can call to help him defend his land or his city is a genuine threat to the system. Look at what happen when New York tried to serve a red flag warrant to get guns and several hundred friends came buy to 'observe' the warrant execution. That state backed down. Those types of networks are easier to build in rural areas IMHO.

And for the last time I do endorse some inner city white nationalists enclaves. There are several. One is up in Portland. Those are great and I would never tell those groups to just leave the city. There will be a point though that the state comes for those people as well, no matter how low key non political they are being. Where will they go? How will they survive the lawfare and tyranny inflicted on them by the state?

[–]Aureus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

However, I'm not sure a biden vote or not voting is the best strategy. When I say help red states I'm not just talking about federal elections. Local elections matter and local republicans are not as bad as the national level politicians.

I just wanted to chime in to say I agree with you on this.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You're not arguing against what I said. I simply said white flight isn't a political strategy. Politics is action in the pursuit of power, running away and hiding just to save your own skin so that your children or grandchildren will be victimised instead of you isn't political action.

You could move somewhere rural and fight the political struggle from there by travelling to your local city to engage in mass politics or you could stay urban if you want. What is 'strategy' is actually engaging in the struggle, talking about 'strategy' when you're just referring to running away and hiding isn't strategy. Imagine telling Alexander your strategy for him to win a war is for his army to run away and hide for 40 years and hope the enemy doesn't find them. This is what's being proposed by these white flight cowards, it's absurdity. You win a battle by fighting it, not running away and hoping someone else does it for you.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I simply said white flight isn't a political strategy

I didn't say it was. You're accusing OP of advocating white flight when he was clearly talking about life raft strategies for white nationalists which is something we've been talking about on DAR for a few weeks now.

running away and hiding just to save your own skin so that your children or grandchildren will be victimised instead of you isn't political action.

How many whites living in cities are abandoning their families and extended networks? Not many. White social networks are in the tank as written about by Robert Putnam in Bowling Alone. Obviously if you have a stronghold in a certain part of a big city with a lot of white friends and family that are worth saving you should just flee to sit in a compound. That's not what life raft strategy is. Rural areas afford whites more oppurtunities to get out of the online activism trap and meet IRL. What's the chance your local sheriff or DA in a rural area is going to try to get you fired from you job for 'racism'. It's not as likely but in a big city it is. Re-establishing IRL implicit or explicit pro white communities should be our highest priority and in general it's not going to be done in big cities.

when you're just referring to running away and hiding isn't strategy

Most people in big cities are essentially hiding as well. They have few or zero white nationalists friends, they wage cuck, they fear cancel culture, they don't own anything. They are near degeneracy and an ugly city environment. They have shit food. How is that good for our people? Obviously moving to a rural area isn't the best strategy for ALL white nationalists. But imagine if you worked in LA or San Jose and could travel out to white nationalist town an hour a way and meet up with hundreds of /ourguys/ at a political event on private property once a month? That could be very valuable. It's also going to be very valuable if we have REAL organization in the event the riots in the cities get even worse and the Marxism lite turns truly Bolshevik tier. That's a VERY real threat. If we have no real genuine political/social structures in the rural areas where will genuine pro white people being persecuted in the city go? Right now there's a golden opportunity for white nationalists as the average age of farmers is mid 60's. Lost of property is available and lots of business opportunity awaits. There's even existing infrastructure just waiting to be re-built in many of these places. Having more of /ourguys/ in the red areas could also put pressure on the normie cons to go our way. Many are already jaded by corporate conservativism and just need redpills and leadership.

Imagine telling Alexander your strategy for him to win a war is for his army to run away and hide for 40 years and hope the enemy doesn't find them.

I really hate when white nationalists start talking about ancient battle tactics. These are men with ARMIES, LEADERS, and IDENTITY. American whites don't have this and the alt right has only recently just found it. The alt right has been severely attacked by the MSM, antifa, business, deep state, etc. You can't talk battle tactics until you first build a cohesive group of people organized by some clear structure like a political party or a religious movement. We have neither. So again. That's why I say let's regroup inawoods and figure out how to build that structure and from their we can figure out how to handle the inevitable tyrannical response from the system and it's lemmings.

This is what's being proposed by these white flight cowards, it's absurdity

Cool. So please explain to me how you and your 'army' are going to strategically 'take back' LA or PHX or Chicago. I'll wait.

I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just saying that dissidents need to seriously evaluate where we are as a movement. Most people are not being honest about our resources and what we are up against.

You win a battle by fighting it, not running away and hoping someone else does it for you.

You win a battle with soldiers, logistics, and will. We are seriously missing 2 out of 3 there.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not a political strategy, it's just divesting from the System, becoming independent of it. You can't be dependent on a System that wants to eradicate you.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never said anything against this, I'm pointing out it's a means not the ends. White flight fags advocate running away and then that's the end of it.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This won't be solved politically on a national level, as that has already become demographically impossible. We have controlled opposition in Trump/Republicans and the Rubicon of Texas and many other states flipping permanently in 2024. So, at this point - saddle up, get fit, train, and make meatspace connections with like minded people.

Our best realistically probable outcome is a balkanization during the forthcoming Greater Depression. Engaging in state and local level politics along with preparation/agitation towards that possibility are the sensible strategy.

[–]frodo-baggins 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, but rather than laying low, we should get optical White advocates involved in local politics.

We also should try to move to areas with the most like minded people- in order to support each other when the inevitable anti-Whites come to get us fired, targeted for mob violence, and ultimately destroy our lives in every single way they can.

[–]Invicta 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'll speculate a bit.

It seems an observable fact that people in rural communities don't act independently until they are personally threatened.

However, awareness is quite high, and this is generating a lot of nervous energy which could be focused if the messaging were there and a credible leader stepped up to give direction.

Currently that leader is Donald Trump, and the nervous energy is focused on November. Personally I think it will be a decisive win for DJT. But it's worth thinking about what happens if he does in fact lose, or if the election is competently stolen from him (same thing effectively).

General Flynn has already written a letter that shows he knows the deal. The letter put people on notice that the time to act to defend the republic may come soon. I don't know what the circulation on that letter was, but thusly primed "patriots" in rural communities might step up if explicitly instructed by a trusted figure what to do, where to go, what to bring, and what to expect. Flynn has kind of positioned himself to be such a person.

On the other hand, DJT might get his second term, he might dismantle the organized crime syndicate that controls washington, a majority of citizens may find a renewed patriotism given all the country has gone through with the marxists and all, and a field of new-conservative up-and-comers in the molds of Josh Hawley and Mike Gaetz may find success at the polls. If this is the country I wish it were.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think we are in an interesting situation that regardless of Trump win or loss the country might just break down into extreme violence. Liberals have torched any type of good faith notion that these two political tribes can live together peacefully.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If Trump wins, he'll represent normalcy while the pink haired Portlanders will represent the rabid foaming-at-the-mouth Maoist revolutionary. Not to mention they will have enough fervor to take up arms, which I'd argue is a good thing- this isn't getting solved with LoGIc and DeBAtE and I don't see the degenerates winning any actual physical confrontations.

For no other reason than it resulting in dead revolutionaries, I'd vastly prefer Trump to win. I can't get behind acceleration-ism until a clear way out of the ashes becomes evident.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and I don't see the degenerates winning any actual physical confrontations.

Unfortunately they don't half to. Anytime tension becomes conflict the police show up and cart away the white male right winger person and do their best to fuck his life up regardless of whether or not a law was broken.

There was a thread this morning on /pol/ talking about this topic.

I did a screen shot.

https://imgur.com/a/sqvJDXY

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I more or less agree with that screen shot. Trump will spark physical conflict with these degenerates and I think that needs to happen at this point.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't see the degenerates winning any actual physical confrontations.

Unless you murder them with no evidence they'll win in court

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    [–]Aureus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I agree, big cities are somewhat problematic, but you need a few of them. The cities are the centers of power and the universities are located there. We need to either retake or replace these institutions

    I'm not against this, but what approach do you suggest?