Do you have any sympathy for American soldiers who choose to fight for ZOG?

submitted by Courbeaux from self.debatealtright

I have absolutely zero. There isn't any fucking draft. Fighting for ZOG is a choice and I don't care if you get killed by an Arab freedom fighter or come home with PTSD if you do it. My sympathy is for all the innocent people who are slaughtered by American imperialism and Zionism, not the perpetrators. Always with the oppressed, never with the oppressors.

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[–]SoylentCapitalist 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. Put yourself in the position of the average Joe who has been told by teachers and others that races are equal, knows nothing about Jewish dominance of America, and maybe had a few good experiences with non-whites growing up. Joining the military teaches you discipline and you get out with a large sum of money to start your life, with benefits afterwards. The ignorant about why they're fighting, for them joining the military is a good idea.

[–]WaltzRoommate 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Nobody who does has spent much time with them.

They want to be there. The benefits are great, their job is relatively prestigious, and while it's hard to estimate the actual dollar value of everything their paid it's probably something like 40k which is pretty good for an 18 year old. Not a whole lot of people get purple hearts and if you ask them, they tend to be happy that they enlisted.

The people getting screwed are taxpayers, not soldiers. And sure, poor people fight in rich people wars yadayadayada, but they're well compensated and happy with the arrangement.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's also the fact that in modern war, casualties are very low, especially for a super power with air supremacy

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    [–]MATKINS 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    99% of the US military aren't "Chads."

    Fighter pilots, Navy SEALs, Special Forces guys, etc might be, but the average soldier is not.

    US military culture has changed a lot since the days of WWII and Vietnam, back in the days when a judge would offer criminals the choice between jail or enlisting in the Army or the Marines. There was a more working class masculine culture. It's all about diversity and credentialism now, which is something they brag about. You've probably seen military supporters brag about how most Americans are unfit for military service, and think they're just referring to fatasses or whatever....... but men like John Basilone and Audie Murphy would be rejected if they tried to enlist today.

    [–]angryturtle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It's all about diversity and credentialism now

    Is this true? What are you basing this on?

    John Basilone and Audie Murphy would be rejected if they tried to enlist today.

    Rejected why?

    [–]MATKINS 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The US military is as big on diversity as every other US institution now. They want more women, LGBT and non-whites higher up in the ranks, holding prestigious commands and in prestigious MOS fields.

    The credentialism is downstream from the warped American worship of higher education. Traditionally only officers needed a degree, but now a degree and even postgraduate degrees are expected if you want to climb the NCO ranks and make it a career.

    Rejected why?

    They never finished high school. They'd be considered "uneducated" grugs. Not only that, but Basilone and many guys who served in WWII got up to all sorts of fucking around on liberty like fighting with and stealing shit from the MPs and officers, etc. That's less tolerated these days.

    I get that it's a bad idea to recruit irredeemable pieces of shit, but the military has historically been a place where a young man would get a second chance to be a good citizen. The famous former US Marine actor (the strict drill instructor in Full Metal Jacket) R. Lee Ermey used to be a serial criminal before a judge gave him a choice between jail and the service. Nowadays they're more interested in a minority XYZ studies graduate.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Do you have any sympathy for American soldiers who choose to fight for ZOG?

    Absolutely. Many are desperate, ill informed and naive when they go in but many become WN's after doing service.

    The only thing more pathetic than awful ritualistic conservative worship of our soldiers is this type of post with its 'I hate ZOG bots fuck them' crap.

    [–]weaselWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Really? I thought it was the opposite, that they would become more “colorblind” after being subjected to a diverse environment with forced cooperation.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Some do, some don't. I know heaps of ex-servicemen who are DR now who will tell you that part of their embrace of our ideas came from their experience in the armed services.

    [–]MATKINS 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, it's important to remember that by and large the only American soldiers who actually fight and suffer in wars are the infantry grunts and SOCOM. Most of the military are rear echelon workers doing a glorified 9-5 job in uniform. They don't suffer at all and are actually well-compensated compared to most Americans. Most Americans do not get the chance of their employer paying for their degree or free health care, etc.

    Most infantry grunts are young guys, about 18-22, who have been raised on Call of Duty and war films and revering American war heroes. They're usually working-class guys from small towns and rural areas in the South and flyover states. They aren't politically engaged and don't know shit about the world or geopolitics. They're just hoping to experience the thrill of combat and kill the people they're told are the "bad guys."

    I definitely have sympathy when they go out on patrol and step on an IED, and end up losing two legs, an arm and are left with irreversible scarring on their faces before they can legally drink and are then kicked out of the service with nothing to show for it. Most of these men don't find love or gainful employment, they'll spend the rest of their life being pitied and as a prop for virtue signalling politicians and members of the public. Everyone looks at KIA statistics, but there are thousands of men like this from Iraq and Afghanistan. In many ways, this is where modern medicine is a curse, in WW1 and WW2 they'd have just died.

    [–]yesofcoursenaturally 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    On a case by case basis, I can.

    But you get too many guys like David French, who were JAGs or serving sloppy joes in a German cafeteria for a couple years, looking forward to dressing up in their uniforms and talking about how they served their country.

    Frankly, I don't like non-right-wing people, and the idea that I'm duty-bound to spout "Thank you for your service, sir!" and act nice to Dan Crenshaw because he lost an eye is asinine. Largely the product of a decaying era that has been intentionally hijacked for other purposes.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't because modern war is not like WW2. Casualty rates are exceedingly low. The US suffered 89,000 dead at the battle of the Bulge in 1945. In the entirety of the 15 year Vietnam war the US lost 57,000 dead. In the first Gulf war it was less than 500 dead. Same with the Serbian campaign. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was also quite cheap in life.

    Guided munitions, drones, satellite recon and air supremacy has ensured that modern war is not that costly when the forces are lopsided. Gone are the days when you would amass 2000 guns to fire on a front and then charge positions. Guided munitions can rapidly and accurately destroy critical targets.

    Now casualties would very likely be severe in a peer to peer war against Russia or China. But the US isn't fighting peers. They fight people with no ability to strike back like the Taliban or Shia militia in Iraq. So no. I don't feel great pity for them because they are not in pitiable condition.

    Plus there's the tooth to tail ratio. Only about 20-27% of the military actually fights on the front. The rest are support personnel. This ration is very low in the US as its crammed with bureaucrats and other useless hires. That's how you get ''Veterans'' like David French.

    The vast majority of US veterans have never seen a day of combat. Most combat is done by the air force, special forces and a few combat formations. Since most US wars are low intensity against weak opponents, very few actually fight.

    Yet they are all treated as heroes for pounding a stone age army to the ground. They get free college, healthcare, pensions, housing...

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      [–]MATKINS 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      It depends on the kind of imperialism.

      Colonising continents for the prosperity of your posterity is based.

      Being Israel's bitch and invading countries at their behest or to bring them "democracy", tranny rights and more McDonald's joints is gay.

      Let's face it, American "imperialism" is the latter.

      [–]Courbeaux[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Cringe

      [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Hello rabbi

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      native american ethnostate

      Yes.

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I don't because modern war is not like WW2. Casualty rates are exceedingly low. The US suffered 89,000 dead at the battle of the Bulge in 1945. In the entirety of the 15 year Vietnam war the US lost 57,000 dead. In the first Gulf war it was less than 500 dead. Same with the Serbian campaign. The 2003 invasion of Iraq was also quite cheap in life.

      Guided munitions, drones, satellite recon and air supremacy has ensured that modern war is not that costly when the forces are lopsided. Gone are the days when you would amass 2000 guns to fire on a front and then charge positions. Guided munitions can rapidly and accurately destroy critical targets.

      Now casualties would very likely be severe in a peer to peer war against Russia or China. But the US isn't fighting peers. They fight people with no ability to strike back like the Taliban or Shia militia in Iraq. So no. I don't feel great pity for them because they are not in pitiable condition.

      Plus there's the tooth to tail ratio. Only about 20-27% of the military actually fights on the front. The rest are support personnel. This ration is very low in the US as its crammed with bureaucrats and other useless hires. That's how you get ''Veterans'' like David French.

      The vast majority of US veterans have never seen a day of combat. Most combat is done by the air force, special forces and a few combat formations. Since most US wars are low intensity against weak opponents, very few actually fight.

      Yet they are all treated as heroes for pounding a stone age army to the ground. They get free college, healthcare, pensions, housing...

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Always with the oppressed, never with the oppressors.

      Pathetic slave morality. So disgusting.

      [–]Courbeaux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      OK Boomer

      [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      No, they all mixed race cucks

      [–]PeddaKondappa 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No.