Biden just passed the Equality Act by executive order

purrvana · 2021-01-21T15:09:41+00:00

Honestly, there were so many things I liked (policy-wise) about Trump... the allowance of rape shelters to be women-only (if they wanted), decriminalizing homosexuality worldwide, pro-free speech, prison reform, peace treaties in the middle east... He's also the only president in my lifetime not to start a new war.

Sometimes I feel like I live in an upside-down world when I think about the things he did compared to how hated he is. And now the dems are being praised as "a new hope" even though Parler is gone, a bunch of people I used to follow on Twitter are gone, I had unfollow a bunch of people on Facebook so that I don't get witchhunted for "wrong-think"... It's a bizarre world.

julesburm1891 · 2021-01-21T15:06:57+00:00

But how many OBGYN’s can absolutely tell the difference between a vagina and a surgically altered penis and are afraid to say anything because of getting fired for “discrimination” or canceled in their field for “transphobia?”

purrvana · 2021-01-21T15:02:08+00:00

It's insane to me that they complained about Joe's promise to do this for weeks and now are suddenly shocked that he did it. Like... wtf did they expect? He literally said it was the first thing he was going to do.

Why are they even on Ovarit if they voted Joe in knowing he'd erase women's rights? It's mind-blowing.

censorshipment · 2021-01-21T14:58:06+00:00

I mostly feel insecure, as in unsafe, about what could happen. Think "The Handmaid's Tales" or even "The Walking Dead". A realistic apocalypse where I unfortunately survive and can't take my own life because of my strong self-preservation. I'm not self-sufficient enough to survive alone, so I'd have to trust other people which would likely make me more vulnerable than trying to survive alone.

dontbuyanylogos · 2021-01-21T14:55:22+00:00

There isn't a conspiracy any more, it's an open totalitarian dictatorship crushing all freedom of thought, association, assembly and speech.

Popper · 2021-01-21T14:53:55+00:00

yeah that's my point

People point out Bernie Sanders and him not having a lot of successful bills passed. But him pushing for extreme left things helps push dems left and get them to compromise in the middle instead of always selling out to repubs. Have to remember the rich are always bribing all politicians, dem and repub alike, to push laissez faire policies which hurt the middle class and poor.

hetisachoice · 2021-01-21T14:53:28+00:00

They prove Communism didn't go far enough and Nazism targeted the wrong people.

Xihaon · 2021-01-21T14:51:31+00:00

I think you're exaggerating. They just want to win a war against all their neighbors to make their country several times bigger. And purge everyone who isn't a pure-blooded Ukrainian. And implement some socialist policies. And make some temporary alliances with anyone who agrees, literally anyone. Like Hitler, but with a shitty army.

lefterfield · 2021-01-21T14:49:53+00:00

As a classic liberal, I completely agree! But I despair at the difficulty of getting candidates that will actually do anything about it.

Popper · 2021-01-21T14:49:47+00:00

maybe

I kind of appreciate that trump tried to fight it, he had no evidence but he did try to legally object to fraud

I wish dems would demand recounts sometimes. Now tho the narrative will be that you never should, because orange man bad did.

Popper · 2021-01-21T14:49:29+00:00

theres a lot of paid shills, you can tell they don't really believe what they say so might as well block them

femcels don't exist

AndyMaleh · 2021-01-21T14:49:27+00:00

Emojis are for youngsters and faggots only.

Godspeed

Destresse · 2021-01-21T14:49:25+00:00

Lol we are polar opposites and my chart is water/earth 🤣 looks like you're right about astro compatibility hahaha

censorshipment · 2021-01-21T14:48:40+00:00

Well, only "professional" women can likely afford to use premium services. I used to talk to a woman who worked 60+ hours per week in a Virginian city and lived in a shitty neighborhood with a roommate. Hardworking woman but couldn't afford to use paid dating app services.

Popper · 2021-01-21T14:48:34+00:00

there was but they only censored liberals

Comatoast · 2021-01-21T14:48:00+00:00

Saw this on /all/. It's going to be hard. You already know the drill though.

Reddit is full of disappointing scrote behavior. It's a good platform for getting information or reviews, simply because of the popularity, but outside of that it's just shit. If you like the idea of using screennames and being identifiable to others, this is a decent enough place. Imageboards are superior if you don't mind not having that.

Popper · 2021-01-21T14:47:54+00:00

Soon repubs will start saying covid is a real threat and start blaming Biden for 500 K dead.

AndyMaleh · 2021-01-21T14:47:44+00:00

Big deal! Haven’t you ever been to a bar and fucked a woman in the women’s bathroom!? You don’t need a law for that. Only faggots do, but we don’t want them in our bathrooms anyways so if such a law gets enacted it’s illegal anyways since laws are only valid if they serve God and I have the right to kill anyone who violates me regardless of laws. After all laws are there to serve God’s people first. Anyone who forgets that gets killed since laws don’t protect anyone who doesn’t follow God. Godspeed.

lefterfield · 2021-01-21T14:46:49+00:00

Ehh I don't know that Trump was worse. When I see the massive government, media, and tech overreach and the way they're falling lock-step in line with the Democrats? I'd be ok with another four years of Trump.

diogenesjunior · 2021-01-21T14:44:52+00:00

I wonder if dogs can be used to smell rape

what

diogenesjunior · 2021-01-21T14:40:26+00:00

the best sub on saidit

diogenesjunior · 2021-01-21T14:40:00+00:00

what?

diogenesjunior · 2021-01-21T14:37:46+00:00

it already is free

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-01-21T14:36:30+00:00

Interesting fan fiction.

Madsea · 2021-01-21T14:33:54+00:00

I think it was more cheering that we are rid of Trump. I’m certainly not excited for Biden, but Trump was worse. Now we can fight this single issue without all the distractions.

JasonCarswell · 2021-01-21T14:30:54+00:00

the 2016 election was rigged and the 2020 was the 'most secure election' in history, despite the fact that it would necessitate Trump strengthening the systems against himself (totally nonsensical) or that the 'deep state'/'swamp' strengthened it behind his back (which means they're up to obvious shenanigans and that Trump did not know of them or was powerless to stop them). Either of which means that these people are above the President.

Saved!

The SWJ Dems and NeoCon GOP are two wings of the same war-hawk corporate party.

The progressive left and altright and all voluntarists/anarchists are NOT represented.

socks · 2021-01-21T14:28:44+00:00

Totally. Fuck gravity.

JasonCarswell · 2021-01-21T14:28:04+00:00

This is low tier and not substantial.

You need to aim higher on the PoD or you will be banned.

Read the FAQ and get wise.

Comatoast · 2021-01-21T14:28:03+00:00

My husband and I were joking about this last night. When are they going to set up male chaperone sections in the women's restrooms, since we're tumbling right into that? A section of miserable looking men that end up falling into brief camaraderie while their women go off to tend to toilet duties. I'm not going to lie, if I go into a public toilet with him in tow, I will likely have him stand within earshot. He made the joke of starting a bathroom security business and just having someone hired in to ensure safety. Is this the job creation that we have to resort to?

socks · 2021-01-21T14:26:07+00:00

That is indeed the definition of approaches required of Trump by the Kushners and Israel. As odd as it may seem, there are far-rightwing/fascist Jews who are committing genocide in Palestine, whilst destabilizing the ME and destroying sites in several countries, assassinating their citizens, and controlling US politics with the help of 'Radical Republicans' who also support authoritarian leadership, as a means of keeping themselves in power. Compare Trump's (Miller's, Kushner's, Netanyahu's) approaches with those of the political leadership in Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Philippines, Russia, Brasil, India, China &c. There are fascist aspects of these governments, to limit freedom of the press, jail and kill jounalists, discredit science, discredit sources of factual evidence, focus on making the 1% rich, reducing human rights, reducing protections of the environment, reducing government oversight, reducing ethical regulations, reducing options for education, reducing the quality of education, etc. etc. There were similar movements in Germany in 1933-39.

Goodgirlgb · 2021-01-21T14:25:24+00:00

I haven’t had a friend since I was a teenager. The only time people contact me is when they want me to do something for them. I’m never thought about until I can be of use to them.

censorshipment · 2021-01-21T14:25:20+00:00

About relationships: love languages (acts of service, quality time, receiving/giving gifts, physical touch, and words of affirmation) are severely underrated: how you want to receive love and to show love need to match how your partners want to show love and to receive love. For example, I hate receiving words of affirmation... so having a partner who compliments me all the time would irritate the fuck out of me. My love language is quality time (receiving undivided attention to be precise), and I prefer to show love by doing acts of service (I'll do chores, assignments, projects, etc for a partner).

What I've learned about myself is that I'm a bonafide serial monogamist... I don't want to be with one woman for years/decades because I get bored once relationships become routine/tedious. I didn't realize until my 30s that no woman can hold my interest for more than a few months... once I feel like I know her well enough, I have no reason to continue to explore her mind. I enjoy getting to know women during the dating phase... not being in committed relationships with women.

What I've learned from the many women I've dated is astrological compatibility is pretty damn accurate: earth (Taurus/Virgo/Capricorn), water (Cancer/Scorpio/Pisces), and fixed (Taurus/Leo/Scorpio/Aquarius) signs are the worst partners for me. I'm a very masculine woman... my chart is mostly fire/air/mutable signs... and very feminine, tactful, mature women highly annoy me.

I've been binging "The Walking Dead" on Netflix - currently watching S7:E8 - and Carol is the type of woman (the woman she became after her abusive husband Ed was killed in season 1) I'd pursue/chase. She's a cunning killer who looks soft but is more deadly than the men.

Crad · 2021-01-21T14:23:35+00:00

Anyone can confirm the story? Sounds like fake news

JasonCarswell · 2021-01-21T14:22:31+00:00

People aren't supposed to notice propaganda when it's aimed at them.

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-01-21T14:21:40+00:00

Joe hasn't had an erection since the 80s.

Crad · 2021-01-21T14:20:58+00:00

"it is like if burglars enter your home, and you solve the problem by hiding in the basement while the burglars are upstairs living in your home."

Why would a burglar wanna live and hang out with the house owners? Shit analogy.

Xihaon · 2021-01-21T14:20:17+00:00

Oddly enough: since yesterday, we haven't been able to reproduce the crash here. Pressing ē on the on-screen keyboard, or changing the keyboard input language and pressing anything, both just result in characters being added to the password input. The only package change since my comment earlier in the issue was to upgrade NVIDIA drivers from 450.80.02 to 450.102.04. That did include an upgrade of xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-450 which sounds like it could be related, but I am skeptical. Pretty strange.

This Linux thing doesn't seem very reliable.

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-01-21T14:19:39+00:00

The TSA is a jobs program. It's not temporary.

MinisterOfTerfery · 2021-01-21T14:18:12+00:00

lmaoo women in the US really cheered this man getting elected

JasonCarswell · 2021-01-21T14:17:42+00:00

In Poughkeepsie?

ah2020 · 2021-01-21T14:13:07+00:00

I was banned by both reddit and YouTube last year! And I'm honestly a pretty mild liberal. I just hold a few positions (based in factual reality) that deviate slightly from the Permitted Consensus of the extreme left.

diogenesjunior · 2021-01-21T14:11:22+00:00

DON'T TALK TO MY BOYFRIEND LIKE THAT!!!

AcceleratedWallops · 2021-01-21T14:11:06+00:00

Only to idiots who also argue in bad faith.

ah2020 · 2021-01-21T14:10:58+00:00

That's absolutely crazy. I am not a Trump supporter but banning you for posting a picture of his wife? What is wrong with society? Rewind 15 years.

AcceleratedWallops · 2021-01-21T14:10:47+00:00

Nothing about this clip was Orwellian. I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of this post.

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-01-21T14:10:17+00:00

Half the country doesn't have running water or toliets, and it's not safe for women to travel alone. In fact you don't let your female family outside. Means the dudes have no women to fuck so they rape who they can.

AcceleratedWallops · 2021-01-21T14:09:53+00:00

I love how you just assume what stuff I believe. Are you that desperate for a strawman?

AcceleratedWallops · 2021-01-21T14:08:45+00:00

🙄

The economy is not a zero-sum game;
- You should be more worried about losing your job to automation than immigrants;
- If your employer hires an illegal immigrant, is that the immigrant's fault, or your employer's?

Are we talking about the protest where people planted IEDs, brought molotov cocktails and zip ties, and had lists of names of targets? That one? The one where their expressed goal was to kill Nancy Pelosi?

SnowAssMan · 2021-01-21T14:08:26+00:00

YAY! I'm so glad. This will be a reality check for Lux's fans.

Nemacolin · 2021-01-21T14:03:56+00:00

Alabama Papers are Way too Liberal

Let’s be clear; those who trespassed into the Capitol building should be brought to justice for the laws they broke. But let’s be clear about something else; this is the fault of the Socialist Democrat party and those who support their tactics of harassment, intolerance, race-baiting, and class warfare. For years now they have taken to the streets with their agenda to orchestrate one-party control. They’ve incited, encouraged, politically and financially supported domestic terrorism against our elected officials, our citizens, and our communities. They’ve pushed the common man to the brink of desperation. Nothing could be more dangerous for our nation.

Now with the unrest in Washington D.C., they suddenly want to make you believe they are outraged by the violence and are demanding law and order. What they’re actually after is one-party fascist rule of this country. They scheme to silence and punish anyone who disagrees with them. They have the full support of the left wing media and big tech in this endeavor. They are everything they claim to be against and many in this country are buying the Big Lie. Darren Stevens’ Jan. 3 letter to the editor was spot on. The Dothan Eagle is complacent with the aims of the socialists running the Democrat party. This paper cover to cover is saturated with left-wing leaning ideology including Associated Press articles designed to inflame, indoctrinate and propagandize for the leftist cause. The occasional token conservative article is posted to mislead you into thinking this paper is a fair and balanced news outlet. This paper is part of the propaganda arm of the well-oiled political machine pushing for Socialist/Communist one party rule in this country. On Jan. 21 we will see that one-party rule go into overdrive. Your freedom is in the balance.

Larry Brown

Fort Rucker

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-01-21T14:03:18+00:00

That's a lot of anacronyms.

SnowAssMan · 2021-01-21T13:55:09+00:00

We should call the male ones 'transgender men' & the female ones 'transgender women', otherwise we become tools in their sexist psychological warfare.

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-01-21T13:55:02+00:00

He should have lost bigger than he did.

I'm not sure he would have lost at all if he didn't effectively tell his supporters not to vote.

Minedwe · 2021-01-21T13:54:54+00:00

At least Biden is decent economically. And isn't a complete SJW pushover. Trump was shit with the economy (MUH DEBT N SHEEEIT) and he cucked out to Jews and leftoids at every turn. And he's still better than most republicans in that regard...

Chunkeeguy · 2021-01-21T13:54:44+00:00

I seriously doubt they sleep together

Tarrock · 2021-01-21T13:54:18+00:00

Neither can Mueller.

hfxB0oyA · 2021-01-21T13:54:17+00:00

How dare you, zir!

Minedwe · 2021-01-21T13:51:55+00:00

Yeah bro, Gravity is obviously bullshit. As is physics. You can't just flap your arms and fly to space, so it MUST be fake!

yousaythosethings · 2021-01-21T13:51:53+00:00

Yep, you nailed it. Funny when foreigners get our politics better than actual Americans. America is fucked right now.

jet199 · 2021-01-21T13:51:39+00:00

It's not a hard topic.

You shouldn't.

That's it.

Minedwe · 2021-01-21T13:49:04+00:00

I don't think I want to

Minedwe · 2021-01-21T13:47:08+00:00

Your meds, please take them. This word salad is just absurd.

hfxB0oyA · 2021-01-21T13:47:06+00:00

I doubt any real antifa member would want to have a .com address.

yousaythosethings · 2021-01-21T13:46:53+00:00

I see our PR team is working overtime to make LGBT look like a big fucking joke. Can't wait to see Gigi's next sexual orientation reveal video. Are we really on #4 now?

RedEyedWarrior · 2021-01-21T13:46:44+00:00

Me neither. I am interested in politics, but I know that there are thieves and TRAs on both sides.

cisheteroscum · 2021-01-21T13:46:14+00:00

Fuck Alan Dershowitz. Beyond being a duplicitous Zionist and dirt bag lawyer, he defended Epstein, Weinstein, and Trump

rubberbiscuit · 2021-01-21T13:45:46+00:00

Is this man pure evil, does he realize he is evil or does he think he is righteous?

yousaythosethings · 2021-01-21T13:45:37+00:00

Gigi is not bisexual. It looked physically painful for him to kiss Nats. He's $$$$sexual and Nats is obviously mentally ill. I fear that this is Gigi's influence because he wanted to keep the $$$$$ but be with someone who more closely resembles a man.

hfxB0oyA · 2021-01-21T13:43:02+00:00

I don't know about Orwellian, but could that guy crawl any further up Biden's colon? Methinks he's gunning for a cushy Press Secretary job.

EvilNick · 2021-01-21T13:42:22+00:00

brennon is literally half a retard

jet199 · 2021-01-21T13:40:16+00:00

Do it.

People need to see the consequences of their actions.

MikeOochizitchy · 2021-01-21T13:39:30+00:00

Any idea what’s happening? I hope they didn’t get shut down...

jet199 · 2021-01-21T13:39:26+00:00

They won't care even then.

It's already happening with counties putting intersex males in and no one cares.

The women's 800m in the Rio Olympics had all XY chromosomes on the podium, has anybody here even heard about that?

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/caster-semenya-seals-olympic-800m-victory-with-ease-1.2763357?mode=amp

SnowAssMan · 2021-01-21T13:38:26+00:00

Wow, they are serious about this sexism via erasure business. I'm put in mind of JKR's opponents protests: "No one ever said sex isn't real". They want to erase the definition of female & the word 'feminine', then combine what is leftover into one, so that 'female' can come to mean 'feminine', in order to make the social construct of gender "real" & the reality of sex a social construct that is criminally taboo.

FoxySDT · 2021-01-21T13:37:18+00:00

The genetic replacement of Romans occurred during times when Rome still had control over territories of those different people. If your theory were correct, we would expect this mass immigration to Britain occur centuries ago, when it ruled third of the world. Instead it all started only few decades ago. After Britain has given up their colonies. This is the exact opposite of what you would predict.

And this situation is not equivalent to migrants knocking on your door. It is equivalent to handing out invitations to them and helping them pack.

Lal · 2021-01-21T13:35:55+00:00

If you use the word malarkey, you may be a boomer

Lal · 2021-01-21T13:34:15+00:00

I bet they had him in a re-education camp

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-01-21T13:33:18+00:00

What I wrote was satirical.

jet199 · 2021-01-21T13:33:12+00:00

They usually don't have urinals so men just piss in the sinks.

Funny how no woke person has noticed men's and women's toilets are literally designed around the genitals people have.

jet199 · 2021-01-21T13:30:34+00:00

Google Pippa Bunce

hfxB0oyA · 2021-01-21T13:29:28+00:00

Very interesting. Thanks!

Three_oneFour · 2021-01-21T13:22:14+00:00

Ironically, that may be one reason they need a therapist in the first place: people only like them for their money.

The current state of affairs in the world is a terrible hand for all of us to have been dealt, and more recent events in the last couple decades haven't done anything to help. Un F-ing the world is going to be a difficuld and many part process that requires the elimination of many systems, cultures, and organizations that govern the way people behave. Just one of those is going to be the cycle of people gaining lots of wealth and then it ruining their happiness

EvilNick · 2021-01-21T13:21:50+00:00

what? Sowell went to Harvard.

rubberbiscuit · 2021-01-21T13:21:11+00:00

Spot on. I personally benefit from this because I work for the managerial class on contract basis. I am certain - 100% - that I will be doing better 4 years from now than I am now. However, I don't want it. I am doing fine now and don't need to do better and would rather leave a country that still functions fairly to my kids. I really think my kids (teens right now) are going to have a much more difficult life.

EvilNick · 2021-01-21T13:20:05+00:00

this is probably 5 students who retardedly plopped a stand in the middle of campus for a petition. doubt this would ever gain any ground.

rubberbiscuit · 2021-01-21T13:16:36+00:00

I think he cut a deal with whoever actually runs the country that if he did these things in the last few days he wouldn't be murdered or go to jail.

Lal · 2021-01-21T13:15:21+00:00

She's too old for him.

Liourtn_mki · 2021-01-21T13:13:23+00:00

silencing women is so fucking disgusting i dont even know what to say im just feel rage bc im being gaslighted everywhere or told that WomEN HaVe iT bEtTRr And Are More PirIlEGEd LiFe oN EaSY mODE jesus christ this so so fucking triggering and invalidating it literally makes me suicidal when i hear it

cisheteroscum · 2021-01-21T13:12:50+00:00

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, democracy, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum

Where in this does it say "be an impotent charlatan controlled by Jews" ?

Staf · 2021-01-21T13:11:08+00:00

The lights extensions of his arms reaching out and embracing America for a good long sniff.

Srime · 2021-01-21T13:09:37+00:00

Dude same, I'm genetically a stick figure. I started lifting weights a few months ago because I was tired of being scrawny and do hip thrusts all the time b/c I feel no one will be into me if I don't at least have a visible ass lol

hfxB0oyA · 2021-01-21T13:06:29+00:00

Maybe Musk is right and we're all living inside a simulation written by a 13 year old girl with magenta hair in her bedroom. I mean fuck, we've even got a pandemic.

supersmokio6420 · 2021-01-21T13:05:23+00:00

Even when its in a left-wing paper they won't - their minds are already made up and they 'know' anyone who asks any questions is just a bigot masquerading hate with false concern. The Guardian has published some trans-critical pieces and they just dismiss it as a 'terf rag' for that reason. Its maddening.

PenseePansy · 2021-01-21T13:01:17+00:00

I've been good, babe! :) Missed you, too-- but I know that you're plenty busy, what with school and all (including trying to find a girlfriend with both TQ+ and COVID as obstacles), so I didn't wanna bug ya! If you have the time, feel free to spend some of it with me, OK?

I do hope that maybe, through people here, you might be able to meet some eligible women where you are IRL-- if you could just get some names (of people, web sites, clubs, whatever) that'd lead there! A way to find the single femme lesbians looking for same locally. They must be around! You've just gotta hit on an "in", you know? So if you could just crowdsource that info through this sub (or one like it? are there any other LGB-- or just L-- sites that reject the trans Kool-Aid?)... I mean, that's often how we same-sex-attracted people have had to find partners, isn't it?: through a friend-network. Would be great if this sub could be part of yours that way.

Really, though: it does seem to me that dating apps can be a godsend, especially for those who are exclusively same-sex-attracted. It's such a small pool, and if you aren't the type to broadcast your sexual orientation publicly (neither am I!), finding each other seems especially challenging. Are apps out of the question for you? Could there be at least some for your locale that screen out the damn men, and welcome femme4femme women? Maybe you could use apps that aren't for dating per se, but ARE for lesbians, and meet women THAT way?

Basically, it seems to me that... you need to go where the lesbians are! Whether it's a dating app, or an app at all, or what-- just SOMEPLACE that's gonna have the women you're looking for. They're there somewhere: you've just gotta find 'em! HOW is the only question!

I wish that I could point you in the right direction, Souloo; obviously I'm lacking in lesbian credentials... but maybe someone here who isn't can help! But I'll still be cheering you on, at least (with my pom-poms). :)

RuckFeddit · 2021-01-21T12:59:48+00:00

what presidents really mean when they say they're removing tuition fees

send_nasty_stuff · 2021-01-21T12:57:23+00:00

They didn't kill r/debatealtright because it was ineffective.

RuckFeddit · 2021-01-21T12:57:18+00:00

ah those were the days.

send_nasty_stuff · 2021-01-21T12:55:56+00:00

Absolutely. I was a Richard Dawkins loving Sam Harris worshipping atheist for 9 years of my life. I enjoy speaking with secularist and atheists.

FoxySDT · 2021-01-21T12:49:31+00:00

How many people do you think are reading that thread that might be convinced by our arguments? Reddit is total leftist echo-chamber now. There are very few fence-sitters left.

Honest-_-Rabbi · 2021-01-21T12:48:42+00:00

Chances are they are Jewish. Not progressive. Much worse