Amnesty International calls for Irish media to ban anyone who disagrees with self-ID

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-21T19:12:30+00:00

Someday, someone is going to get a seizure from just looking at it.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-21T19:09:26+00:00

So they are coddling people with peter pan syndrome? How considerate of them!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-21T19:07:37+00:00

This whole idea that you can have no gender, be ''in between'' male and female, have multiple genders, have your gender change over time, have only half of your gender (???) or be a completely separate gender than male and female altogether (like aporagender, mauverique or aliagender) is completely ridiculous.

And let's not forget shit like this doesn't exist outside of college campuses or ultra liberal bubbles. Most see those genderspecials for what they are: men or woman.

In human history most of these snowflake identities have been used to segregate, not liberate, gender non-conforming people.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-20T18:36:38+00:00

transphobic cis gay and bi men who would never date trans men, but see trans women as “men in women’s clothing”, your time is ticking

I'm shaking in my boots! Oh my!

Being kicked from a community I don't even care for! The horror!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-20T02:23:56+00:00

Today it's "trans men are exactly the same as cis men" and demanding fake prostate exams for validation

This is fucking disgusting...

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-18T14:50:23+00:00

It's a cope!

HRT ruined their dicks, so they must resort to shit like this to assure themselves they haven't commited a terrible mistake.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-18T13:13:11+00:00

transbian detected

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-18T02:50:53+00:00

Well, at least fujoshis are sincere in regards to their inclinations and don't have the nerve to paint their fetishism as a signal thay they are really gay uwu.

I'm with them on this one.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-16T19:50:17+00:00

I still have a little hope that it's just a troll who wants to expose trans homophobia tho. But who knows.

It would be hilarious if this was just someone playing 4D chess with the TRAs lol

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-16T19:49:17+00:00

It's not actually like my japanese animes!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-16T17:22:41+00:00

Most of these characters are paper thin caricatures made to specifically make the tumblr/twitter queer crowd feel good about themselves rather than tell a good story.

The result? Unnecessary sex scenes, shitty drama and unrelatable stories that actual LGB people have no interest in.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-15T23:07:48+00:00

Depends on how you would define "gay couple".

Most of this shit is applicable only to gay hook up culture, which is shady and sleazy to the point of traumatizing some people. It's not the romanticized uwu thing most people on tumblr/twitter tend to believe.

Hell, most people that exist within this culture have little to no intention of pursuing long term same-sex relationships and are just in for the casual fuck here and there.

Also, most of them are closeted, which actually explains alot if you think about it...

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-15T22:58:05+00:00

or saying X has top or bottom energy.

What even this shit mean? If you don't resort to stereotypes, this shit is practically meaningless.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-15T22:55:23+00:00

If they lose interest because their partners bottom, so they want their partners to top, so be the one who bottom? How could they think bottoming is bad then if they want it too?

Well, they see topping or bottoming not as simple sex roles (which they are) but as indicatives of ones nature, with the top generally being very agressive and masculine and the bottom submissive and feminine.

It's not that bottoming is bad, but that bottoming goes against the image of the idealized men they worship: very masculine and dominant.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-15T20:46:44+00:00

This really makes the pregnancy fetish some AGPs have into something really more terrible...

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-15T20:44:57+00:00

Unfortunately you are right on this, and it really piss me off.

There are guys that completely lose their interest once they find their partners might prefer bottoming, specially if they are masculine men.

It's so dumb. Just because someone likes to bottom it doesn't mean that they are less masculine or something.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-15T13:26:05+00:00

This is either a troll or a really tone deaf person lol

It's not like she has no notion of how actual real gay men act and is merely emulating porn/yaoi (oxymoron, I know). Not at all....

That's a real and honest gay men right there!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-14T19:23:29+00:00

Thanks for the links.

It looks like things are worse than I thought...

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-13T17:16:20+00:00

This probably gives a error 404 on his head lol

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-13T17:14:40+00:00

Damn they really do demand conformity.

Submission, they want total submission.

Spoiler: that's never going to happen.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-13T13:27:02+00:00

An attention whore, that's what it is.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-13T13:23:10+00:00

I (almost) wish every gay men who says "of course I would, they are men" would then actually have to (try and) carry through on that claim.

They are lying lol

If this wasn't the case Aideens would not be complaining 24/7 about gay men not wanting to fuck them.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-13T13:17:17+00:00

Pegging.

That's the word you are looking for, pegging

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Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-13T13:12:02+00:00

Let's remember that neopenises, unlike real ones, carry a very real risk of necrosis and complications related to urinal infections.

Yes, you heard that right: a neopenis can just fall off because of improper blood flow and they have to be squished in order for the piss to fully get out of the urethra, you now, exactly like an actual penis! /s

Also, it can't get naturally hard, so it must be pumped before or during sex.

And let's not forget the revision surgeries! It's very important!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-12T20:13:17+00:00

Yep, but now i think she's all for it according to some sources.

Is she though? Or she was just using the TRAs for her own ends like the sheep they are? It would be pretty hilarious if she went full TERF mode now lol

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-12T16:57:12+00:00

Wow! This is actually a suprise, and a pleasant one at that!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-12T14:03:42+00:00

Probably the first one.

TRAs are known to overreact to everything. She probably said something innocuous like 'woman exist' and they went immediately to social media to scream bloody murder about how she is committing actual murder of uwu transwhamen uwu.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-12T13:59:56+00:00

up to a year in jail for private comments

How they would prosecute a person for "private remarks"? Just the word of the accuser already counts to lock someone up? It's not like this is open for abuse at all!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-12T13:56:51+00:00

There was already a black gay pride, something that these gender warriors didn't even know.

It's almost like they don't fucking care for the history of black gay rights or something.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-12T13:53:05+00:00

I think we don't need to prove nothing, as our own existence already says a lot.

There's no need for surgery, no need for hysterical pronoun enforcement, no delusions and no newspeak. There's just us and they seem to not understand this...

As for my position on this? Cope harder, as hard as you all can.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-12T13:48:43+00:00

Just because some first wave feminists supposedly hooked up with each other it doesn't mean that they incorporated lesbians or lesbian rights into their movement.

Like I said before, first wave feminism was a very conservative movement and they feared that taking in lesbians could strengthen the perceived link between lesbianism and woman's rights, aka: 'you want to vote, you must be a lesbian lol'.

Considering how lesbians were treated back them, ignored at best and targets for violent sexual violence at worst, it wasn't very desirable to link the blooming social movement with a predominantly despised portion of the population.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-11T17:46:27+00:00

The discomfort comes from the fact that you can clearly notice that most of this 'acceptance' isn't genuine at all, but a simple ploy to take your money.

This is what the 'LGBTQ+' movement ultimately is: a corporate, money grabbing mess.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-11T16:37:56+00:00

It's also interesting to add that first wave feminism wasn't very keen on accepting lesbians, as it was at it's roots a very conservative movement.

It was only with the advent of second wave feminism, specifically radical feminism, that lesbianism became entrenched into the movement as a whole.

The problem? The focus of lesbianism was shift from woman that love woman to woman that use same-sex relationships as a way to 'punish' and 'separate' from men.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-10T20:02:06+00:00

It's just that most of them are transplants and were born and raised elsewhere and presumably made the choice to move to LA where they could be more openly gay.

If this is the case, then they are even bigger twats then I thought.

They know the bullshit they are peddling is wrong, but do it anyway because fuck you.

Edit: there's also a third possibility: they might just be vomiting TQ talking points that they don't believe in just for clout.

I live in a liberal area too, so it's not like I fear bodily harm for being a lesbian here, but it's also not easy showing affection in public here because you may get treated like a live action porno. Like, I already get treated like a live action porno when I'm walking down the street carrying groceries.

It's no wonder why this still happens: most of these TQ identitarians love to fetishize lesbians. They reduce lesbianism to an abstract and amorphous thing that anyone can be, even though this alienates actual lesbians.

These YouTubers seem to rarely discuss homophobia outside of the coming out process and the negative consequences of being openly gay.

They are lifestyle YouTubers that larp as activists, even though they do nothing actually substantial for the causes they claim do push for. The actual struggles of gay and lesbian people have no place in their videos, mainly because they shatter the perception of an idealized uwu life they sell via their content.

This is part of the problem we are having today: the over idealization of gay/lesbian life is making frustrated straight people think that larping as gay/lesbian will solve all of their life problems then this isn't the case.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-10T19:41:57+00:00

My cynical take on this is that it's more of a open letter to the gay/lesbian/bissexual larpers that have appeared in the recent years than a statement destined to actual gays and lesbians.They don't really believe in any of this, because if it was the case, they would not defend policy that depends on the notion of sexuality as fixed to make sense, like in the case of refugee grants.

It makes no sense to consider sexual orientation as a criteria for accepting refugees if their sexual orientation can just change on a whim, as it would leave the door opened to scammers to abuse the system (something which already happens, but would be only get worse).

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-10T19:29:18+00:00

These people just want to live in Peter Pan world where they never have to make any commitments or accept grown-up responsibilities.

It's almost like they are just grown-up kids with a strange allergy to commitment, because as you put it, commitment means responsability and they can't have that!

Case in point:

I'm married. I've been with the same woman for 10 years. Even if tomorrow I met a guy who I inexplicably found myself attracted to, I would not be open to fucking him because I have made a lifetime commitment to someone else.

They characterize themselves as impulse driven animals that only act according to their own impulses.

Interesting isn't it?

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-10T19:20:31+00:00

I don't know whether to chalk this up to gay people in LA being really out of touch with the experiences of LGB people in other parts of the U.S.

You think so? It's almost certain that's the case.

They are overprivileged kids that live in ultra-liberal megacities, where the prospect of conversion therapy or gay bashings are long gone. They don't fucking care.

Then he said, of course you can use the word "gay" for yourself and use that to remind yourself that your sexual orientation is "malleable."

Why are they imposing this shit to other people? Like, if they think so it's totally fine, just don't extrapolate it to others.

It isn't hard.

I just hate this postmodern, non-communicative, open-minded mush.

This shit don't only destroy language, but the actual capability of gay and lesbian people to describe themselves and organize with each other. If you can't define what 'gay' is thn how are you going to fight for gay rights?

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-10T14:18:52+00:00

Yes, there is: attention whore.

How's that?

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-10T13:07:10+00:00

Well, they got a point.

This pandemic have been the perfect opportunity for most big corporations to take out their competition, mainly because unlike them, they actually got the structure and funds to adapt to a delivery service.

The government (all of them, to some extent) don't give a shit about small businesses, they really don't, and this crisis only served to reinforce that.

Do not be surprised to see people doubting the actions governments are taking in relation to this crisis or the existence of the crisis itself: when the ones that benefit the most from this shit are the usual suspects (tech industry, big corporations and so on) it's natural for people to be sceptical.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-10T02:50:21+00:00

It's not gay if the balls don't touch!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-09T19:53:36+00:00

Regardless of the question of whether or not masks work at all, people are 1000% guaranteed, fight me, wearing the masks in a way that makes them either ineffective, or will end up spreading the disease more than blocking it, such as when they constantly readjust the mask, touching their face, which spreads more germs than the mask could block.

Now that you touched the subject, it's interesting to point out how many people believe in the misguided notion that all masks are made equal. A cloth mask will never offer the same kind of protection that a cirurgical one provides, never.

Hell, depending on the fabric used in the manufacturing of the mask it's less risky not to wear one lol

No one cares about protecting rights, only the rights the media has said need to be protected, everything else could disappear without notice.

Case in point, this pandemic has been a breeding ground for tyranny everywhere, with governments using it as a excuse to peddle contact tracing apps that collect extensive data on the lives of people.

The question is: will they delete it after the pandemic?

The most likely answer is no, as like history teaches us, the ones that gain power are always unwilling to lose it.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-09T16:17:19+00:00

We let TRAs pull our corporate donors out from under us.

This would have happened whatever we liked it or not, as these organizations are only interested on profit and nothing else.

Let's face it: LGB aren't as profitable as the T, there's no industry to be built around LGB questions and the big donors know that.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-09T12:39:28+00:00

Everyone in USA is so opposing taxes being used on healthcare, and they are fine with this?

The US is such an interesting country, let me tell you...

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-09T12:34:35+00:00

Unfortunately I think detransitioners might be too few and thus easy to disregard.

The numbers are irrelevant, but the repercussion of these cases isn't. Media is already giving attention to the detransitioners, even if little, so it's something. A single high profile case can have a domino effect that can drastically change the public perception regarding transgenderism as a whole, and considering this is the first generation to be hooked into this shit, things are sure to get interesting in about 5 years or so.

Are Mermaids backpedaling?

Yes, they are.

A while ago, the UK overhauled directives related to diversity education and one of the first things to go was TRA bullshit, including but not limited to:

Telling gender non-conforming that they are transgender.
The Barbie to Gi Joe gender spectrum (yes, really) as a standard to explain transgenderism to kids.
The 'born in the wrong body' bullshit.

Mermaids, as expected, didn't like this very much, because it basicly made all of their material useless. They are now pretending ignorance, crediting all of their old shit to the 'transphobics' and 'TERFs', including all of the things listed previously above.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-09T03:04:16+00:00

The enactment of TRA bullshit by Biden/Kamala will only accelerate their inevitable downfall when shit hits the fan, even if more people end up suffering in the long run.

The thing is that they won't be able to ignore detransitioners forever, or the perverts and fetishists for that matter.

My prediction is that once shit hits the fan Biden/Kamala, the TRAs and their enablers will pretend they never supported child transition or self-id to begin with. Mermaids is already pulling this shit in the UK, so it's not farfetched to conclude the same will happen in the US.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-08T18:01:17+00:00

Whenever Pride rolls around, I just think: "oh, (insert company here) wants to sell me (insert product here) that's decorated in rainbow colours or some shit."

This is sad, very sad. I remember seeing a freaking pride Doritos, a pride Doritos. This shit had reached parody levels of absurdity and people doesn't seem to notice that corporations care nothing about gay or lesbian rights, but only about their own capacity to make profit off of them.

If tomorrow hard repression against gay and lesbians come back, they are going to be the first ones to throw them under the buss. The second ones are going to be the danger hairs and genderspecials.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-08T17:48:44+00:00

They want to commodify transgenderism in order to gain profit from it. All they see is an opportunity for a new market, nothing more.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-08T14:02:17+00:00

If you needed any proof that transgenderism is turning into an very lucrative industry, your search is over!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-08T13:58:28+00:00

HSTS were thrown in the concentration camps, not the modern uwu transbian/gayden uwu

It was mainly due to the association between homossexuality and drag/travestites and not because of transgenderism. Hell, most people didn't even knew what this shit was at the time (and even today, for that matter).

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-08T13:54:58+00:00

Pride should not exist outside of areas that criminalise bi and homosexuality.

Well, a date to commemorate the accomplishments and rights achieved in the last 50 years is not a bad thing in my book. The problem starts when 'Pride' stops being a movement centered around people to become corporate garbage.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-07T19:29:36+00:00

These people don't understand that if you are going to do serious activism you need to first properly define the people you are fighting for in a concrete way. If you can't define what 'gay' is then how are you going to fight for gay rights? It makes no sense!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-06T23:20:50+00:00

'Heteroromantic homosexual' means one is romantically attracted to the opposite sex, is not sexually attracted to the opposite sex, is sexually attracted to the same sex, and is not romantically attracted to the same sex.

Ow! My head...

The split attraction model is based on a misunderstanding of the philosophical concept of platonic love. In Plato's writing, 'carnal love' is a step for platonic love and they don't exist mutually separated from each other as most tend to believe.

The people that peddle the split attraction model tend to conflate close friendships with romantic love like compulsive shippers. As with the whole 'genital preference' shit, this occurs mainly because most of them are touch starved inexperienced colege kids.

'Heteroromantic homosexual'

Nobody with a brain cell still intact eats this shit.

Most people (men and woman alike) think this is either:

A gay men taking a beard
A bisexual men that wants to still sleep around with other men while in a relationship with a woman

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-06T18:17:38+00:00

I find this interesting because this narrative is so recent. And how did LGB people not notice that 5-10 years ago their were no trans heterosexuals in their LGBT spaces and groups and now they're basically the majority?

Stonewall was a very exclusionary place, something that the usual suspects managed to whitewash over the years. The only people that could enter in there were those who had credentials with people already inside, which were mostly gay men and some butch lesbians. Hell, even drag queens had difficulties getting inside, imagine trans/genderspecials!

Ugh yea the gay neighborhood in my area is just mostly straight people/queers at this point.

By itself, this is not a problem. It signifies an integration of gay/lesbian people into society, which is very good!

The issues start to appear when some people are unable to respect the liturgies of gay/lesbian spaces. If a straight person goes to a gay bar, they must be aware that there's a chance that some same-sex flirting can happen and not flip their shit if it does.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-06T13:58:54+00:00

"Being gay is genetic!!!"

"No it's not. That's never been proven."

"W-well that's not the same as being DISPROVEN!"

This is a strawman, as I never said such thing.

So... are you saying that, despite there's no evidence supporting it (and quite a lot of evidence against it), that we're supposed to believe it's true until definitively proven otherwise?

Indeterminate means indeterminate, not true or false.

If that's so, why am I not allowed to believe that homosexuality is a disorder? That's never been disproven either.

Yes it has, by a long time.

Disorder, by the medical definition of the word, is what have the potential of causing suffering to the patient. Homossexuality has been removed from the DSM because it, by itself, doesn't bring suffering to the homossexual.

The exception to this is egodistionic homosexuality, which is a totally different can of worms.

Now, you are allowed to believe in anything you want, but don't try to pass your beliefs as fact.

It has nothing to do with self esteem, other than that homosexuality contributed to low self esteem when I previously didn't have it.

Yes it has, as your words prove.

Just because sexuality can change doesn't mean it's a choice, just as how depression can be recovered from does not mean it's as simple as "choosing to be happy." If I what I believe is true; that homosexuality in me was caused by neurological issues and/or trauma, it could take YEARS to fix. If it's trauma based, that stuff is hard to get over, especially without help. And considering no one currently offers help for sexuality it means change is very difficult.

Cope, cope harder.

If what you said previouly is true, and you are indeed russian then you have acces to 'help for sexuality', as gay conversion therapy is not banned there. Why don't you try it if you are so desperate?

If I was "definitively, intentionally gay" and it could never be changed, why do I have straight urges inside (even if I am not aroused by them) and like the idea of being able to have a female partner?

Go for it them, nobody is stopping you. Hell, some people would be very happy for you!

So which is it, "sexuality can never be changed" or "Nobody is born that way and we gain it later in life due to experiences"

Because those statements contradict each other.

The men is really made of straw, isn't? What I meant by that is that no one gets out of the womb already horny for anyone. Sexuality generaly manifests itself after puberty.

Using the "I haven't been born feeling attracted to men" as a gotcha moment for the assertion that homossexuality can't be inborn is stupid, so stupid in fact that not even religious quacks use it as an argument!

Lol... no I wouldn't.

Yes, you would. I know your types very well.

Firstly there is a big difference between being upset that the only people who are into you want to abuse and degrade you, and being pissed that people just want you for money. I'd rather be robbed than be sexually mistreated, they're not comparbale.

This is subjective, as there's men that have no problem with sexually foward woman but can't cope with being used as status ladder. You only experienced the first and not the second, so you say this from a place of inexperience.

And being used for your status is not the same as being robbed lol

Unfortunately I have still had sex with guys Im not attracted to but I have NEVER consented to an abuser or a guy who treats me that bad. But that doesn't stop them from showing interest, and like I said, THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO GUYS INTERESTED IN ME WHO WERE DECENT. That is BEYOND my control.

So this is a case of "I'm so opressed, people that I want to sleep with aren't interested in me! Help, I'm opressed!"

This is worse then I thought! You are no different from the TRAs, not a bit. Guess what? This makes your "victim blaming" acusation even more disgusting, as you are comparing yourself to actual rape victmins.

How assuring...so this is a case of sexual entitlement and not low self-steem. All of my sympathy for you has been lost, all of it.

You aren't entitled to sex with people you find attractive, not of a second. If that's your problem just learn to wait for a person you yould find attractive to be interested in you, or just cope with your singleness.

That's what a good portion of humanity already does, so your not special.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-06T13:13:29+00:00

Maximum over-gay.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-06T13:12:07+00:00

Why do you victimize yourself and villainize others, especially gay people, constantly in your posts?

It looks like he had experiences with men, which fuels a very pronounced distaste for them, including gay men.

yelled at for saying the truth uwu

People who say this are generally bullshitting lol

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-06T13:02:41+00:00

The mythology created around the Stonewall riots ended up making LGB people believe that they own their rights to the gender brigade, something which isn't true, as has been proved multiple times on this very sub.

TRAs still propagate such lies for two reason: it legitimizes transgenderism on one side and it minimises dissent from LGB people on another, because it paints any pushback from them as a "betrayal" to the people who "gave them rights". It's very insidious.

What are the obstacles to lesbian, gay, and bisexual people waking up en masse?

They are awake, in fact, some always were.

Let's just say that HSTS had already a very rocky relationship with gay men, something which has not changed in the last years. What did change was the recent push for the T and the colonization of gay spaces, which made some afraid to speak against them.

Surely, they must have noticed that spaces/groups that used to be for lesbian, gay, and bisexual people are not overrun by heterosexual people donning rainbow merch and hair colors?

Even regular 'woke' straight people have been predominant in LGB spaces for some time now. On principle I have no problem with that, but on practice this has lead to some akward scenarios, like for example, gay bashings happening inside gay bars and people taking such spaces as if they were zoos, which is very insulting to say the least.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-06T03:22:05+00:00

Gay = homosexual male.

There aren't any other requirements, you just need to be a homossexual men and that's it. Being gay is no lifestyle or choice of presentation, a gay men can be very sexually foward or reserved and it makes no difference. Effeminate or hyper masculine? No problem!

You know what's a problem? This:

Or people who could only kiss the opposite sex while drunk?

You know what I really hate? People that take "gayness" (agh...) as a piece of clothing that they take in and out as is convenient for them, because it's pretty easy to gloat about 'how gay' you are when you live in a middle class ultra-liberal bubble isn't? There's a name for that: clout chasing.

In the moment their 'gayness' is of no benefit to them they'll just drop it, like yesterday's out of fashion gadget. There's no thing more insulting than this.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-05T18:49:13+00:00

Yes it is. It's literally unproven

No it's not. "Unproven" is not the same as "proven negative".

There is a difference.

No, the problem is homosexuality. I'd like myself just fine if I was able to have a normal sexual/romantic relationship and not have to hate myself because I'm turned on by the people who hate me and want to harm me/ being in an abusive/rapey relationship.

No, it's you and specifically your low self-steem.

You as an independent human being have the capability of saying no to any sexual enconter. If you feel a sexual partner doesn't respect you as a person, even if you are attracted to them, there's still the option of not letting them fuck you.

Spoiler: if you don't impose some self-respect people, men and woman alike, won't respect you. I wish this wasn't the case, but we live in a world with a lot of shitty people.

Irrelevant and not comparable. Sex cannot be changed and is very physical. Orientation isn't.

If sexual orientation can be changed then why aren't you straight yet?

I was male before I was even born, yet I did not become homosexual until many years after I was born.

That's how sexuality works in general: gay, straight or bissexual.

Why wouldn't I be unhappy with the fact that I'm not attracted to people who would treat me decently/as an equal (women

You already presume much.

If you were straight you would learn that they also haven't it easy when the subject is dating. You would also probably be the type of person that complains about how women only want you because fo money, status or some shit. Nothing would change.

Women can be as cruel as men, you just don't seem to know it yet.

The answer is not just to "love myself for being broken and accept that I'm destined to be some guy's sex object."

I never said it was.

It might be cruel what I'm going to tell you, but it's necessary: you are only a "sexual object" because you allow this to be the case. As I said before, you have the capability to say no, to refuse to be turned into an sex object.

You are using homossexuality as an excuse for your own lack of willpower and low standards.

Like I said before: the problem is you

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-04T17:00:31+00:00

It's almost a spongebob parody at this point:

Redditor: Hi, I'm lesbian.

lesbian larpers appear

Actual lesbians: What kind of fool do you take me for? You're lesbian, he's lesbian, I AM LESBIAN! Are there any other lesbian I should know about?

Straigh Men: meaw...

Actual lesbians: I'm out of here...

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-04T16:55:44+00:00

Lesbians are fujoshis now lol

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-03T18:59:42+00:00

Once you learnt how to recognize one of them it's over, all of them start to not pass. MtF and FtM alike.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-03T17:04:18+00:00

I just learned a new word today. Hypergamy: "the action of marrying or forming a sexual relationship with a person of a superior sociological or educational background."

How dare woman wanting to date someone that have something to offer to them, be it material or emotional. They really should date the loser incel with no real life skills or charisma to speak of, because fuck you.

Of course!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-03T12:44:11+00:00

Women don't get fetishes

Eh....

There are woman that have foot and yaoi fetishes so it's not a male exclusive thing at all. The difference is that woman are, in general, less vocal about their fetishes than men.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-03T12:40:57+00:00

As if these guys would manage to trick an actual lesbian lol

The delusion is overflowing.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-02T23:37:20+00:00

Uh... yes they do.

I never saw anyone call Einstein or Newton 'damaged' in any way, but again, this might be just me...

The social and sensory issues of autism (and related disorders) can be debilitating to live with, depending on severity. They're also not all geniuses. I think it's naive and disrespectful to treat autism like a "superpower" when I've heard countless autistic people wish they were normal & didn't have to deal with it. Source: Grew up in some kind of special ed school, knew a lot of autistic kids. And surprise, I am no "super genius" either. I'm just dumb.

That's why I took pains to differentiate high funcioning autists from low funcioning autists, as they aren't the same. Most people when speaking about the subject tend to only talk about the second and not the first, interestingly enough.

I have no reason to believe homosexuality is genetic

This is not a matter of subjectivity.

I'm far from an optimist I'd rather believe that this is damage I have a chance to recover from, than something that was "destined" for me since before I was born. I simply cannot believe it is "as nature intended" or a gift from a higher power.

This cope won't help you with anything.

Want some advice? Maybe the problem is not with homossexuality itself, but with you. If you don't give more value to the life you have right now, then you will still suffer, homossexual or not.

This is the same thought process most 'eggs' have: "if I was the opposite sex my life would be so much easier, I would be so much popular and so on, so on.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-02T17:52:08+00:00

Sorry, but you don't speak for all gay men.

I belive this is not a mere question of perspective, because if we look at concrete sales numbers, most people that buy yaoi manga are straight woman and not gay men.

The same goes for lesbian porn: most of it's consumers are straight men, even if one can point to a lesbian here and there that also likes it.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-02T13:50:58+00:00

NO GAY IS PERFECT, IT'S BETTER THAN STRAIGHT, IT'S INTENDED!" like people on this sub always do?

Never saw this, but eh...

Plus the "gay gene" has been heavily debunked.

Because the idea of a single gene that indicates homossexuality is something only people illiterate on genetics thinks exist. Even simple things like patellar reflexes have multiple genes linked into them, not just a single one.

So it might be the case that homossexuality is dictated by millions genes and not a single one, but who knows? Genetics are complicated and most discussions on the subject are superficial.

like brain damage in the womb or at birth, that caused me to be that way.

What you classify as "brain damage"? Because I don't think it means what you think it means.

Im medicine, "brain damage" is used most of the time to refer to damage caused by trauma, not emotional trauma, but physical trauma like bumps, direct impacts to the head or even degenerative deseases.

Now, brain development issues are on a whole other level and even them have their set of interesting nuances, for instance, let's pick autism for a moment: high functioning autists have been known for having some of the highest IQ scores and to grow to be great inventors and scientists that changed the history of humanity. Do people consider them to be 'damaged' in any way? No, they don't.

In the end of the day what constitutes a disorder or not can be very subjective, unfortunately.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-02T13:10:44+00:00

What do you mean by legitimate?

That homossexuality is a natural extension of human sexuality and affectivity in the same way heterossexuality is. It doesn't need to be 'explained' at all, it can just exist like it aways had.

lol I was raised Catholic and still was. Doesn't matter how much Jesus is pushed on you if you have unlimited internet access + are friends with bad influences

Thank god I only had internet access after I was 14 lol

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-02T04:09:06+00:00

Because, between the confused gay teens calling themselves bi

It's not confusion, but the use of bissexuality as a second closet.

Most gay men that do this only do so because they think declaring themselves bissexual can spare them of harsher social backlash from their friends and family. It's the old "it's just a phase" with a new coat of paint basically, as it implies even a little possibility of a 'normal' heterossexual life.

In time though, most start to notice how the "bissexual" men only go out with other men and only talk about other men, and the mask starts to crack...

the attention-seeking straight teens calling themselves bi

This mostly applicable to woman, specifically college aged ones, that want to better fit in ultra-progressive social groups. In time they all drop the facade and revert to their real straight selves after they graduate.

They're also the ones that use bissexuality as a mating strategy, and we all know how offensive to bissexual woman and lesbian this shit is.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-02T03:56:20+00:00

What I don't understand is why the need to teach about fucking BDSM on schools, it makes no sense. Do people get murdered because they like to engage on it or something?

Where's the emergency?

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-02T03:42:29+00:00

Sexual orientation being innate has been a large part of the argument for making the religious nuts back off for years.

Religious homophobes don't give a shit if homossexuality is inate or not, as their beliefs are based on faith and social control more than anything.

Case in point: modern gay conversion therapy is most of the time a 'let's teach the gays how to cosplay as straight' kind of affair and not 'let's teach the gays how to feel horny for woman'. Even they know it's not possible to do this kind of shit.

The 'gay is inate' is more of a secular argument if anything.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-01T20:40:33+00:00

I was not "born gay" (No one is, and saying so is ridiculous as claiming someone was "born kinky" or "born trans")

Or born straight.

Say what you will about radical feminists like Julie Bindel, but she got it spot on when she said that most efforts related to finding a biological basis of homossexuality were accompanied by an eugenic lust for wiping out gay people before birth.

Homosexuality doesn't have to be biological to be a legitimate expression of human sexuality and affection, and the assumption of the contrary is brimming with homophobia.

And it makes me mad knowing that if I wasn't treated like shit and exposed to fucked up fetish shit I probably would've turned out healthy.

Oh my, the implications!

I don't know most gay man on this sub, but I haven't been exposed to any fucked up shit in my predominantly tradicional catholic upbringing.

But that's just me, I guess..

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-01T19:50:32+00:00

It's inevitable really, as TQs still love to lump LGB with themselves in order to retain a semblance of credibility. Same goes for the BDSM crowd.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-01T17:54:38+00:00

Again we come up - LGB people lumped in with gender ideology and kinks

I would disagree with you on this one, as he author takes pains to differentiate between LGB rights and what the the Sexual Health Certificate Program proposes:

And no, I am not an extreme social conservative complaining about the failure of these organizations to support “abstinence only” sex education. Nor do I object to teaching kids that it’s okay to be gay or bisexual. The agenda of AASECT now extends far beyond those old debates, and into an overlapping set of doctrines that encompass gender, violent BDSM subcultures, polyamory, pornography, and intersectionality.

The comments on the other hand...are as you would expect.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-11-01T13:42:39+00:00

OMG! The lack of self-awareness is blaffling...

"Curse you cis woman! How dare you fetishize homossexuality! You should fuck your bodies with artificial hormones and unnecessary surgeries first, then do it!"

Insert Greta Thumberg 'how dare you' meme here

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-31T23:00:00+00:00

They demand the unalienable acces to others bodies, even if they aren't atracted to them, something that gays and lesbians never demanded. People in time will recognize this dissonance and the backlash against the T will intensify, and they'll have only themselves to blame for it.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-31T22:55:36+00:00

woke straights

In real life most people aren't "woke" at all an wouldn't bend backwards to please entitled twats, specially if it's for stupid reasons like "I think sex is a right, so don't deny sex to me you bigot".

In the moment "genital preference" discorse get out of twitter echo chambers, TRAs are done.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-31T17:11:01+00:00

Most heterosexuals are still in the dark or believe that since it's within the LGB community

They target LGB people because they are cowards, and know straight people will never take their shit seriously.

Typical predatory behaviour.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-31T17:08:21+00:00

Every time a gay men says they like dick an aideen melts on the ground like the Wicked Witch of the West

...and no one cares.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-30T20:15:55+00:00

A term used to describe men, or in some cases woman, who have a fetish for man with female secondary sex caracteristics.

Basically a technical term for the good old chaser.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-30T20:12:50+00:00

Or unnecessary cosmetic surgeries and hormones.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-30T20:12:03+00:00

I bet that they don't work at all and probably are disgusted by blue collar working class people because agh, poor people.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-30T20:09:57+00:00

They also believe in masculine vs feminine roles in a relationship so they’re trying to act out the feminine role whereas the sword lesbian is acting out the masculine role in their (and probably his) minds.

Fujos also do this alot, it's incredible.

It's almost like they are straight people larping.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-30T20:05:40+00:00

I suspect that the top/bottom dichotomy was introduced by them in lesbian communities. I HATE that.

It's almost like they learned all of this shit in media and MtF internet communities. Who would have thought?

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-29T22:55:48+00:00

That video is my guilty pleasure, I admit.

When I'm down, I just need to put that video in and my mood does a 360° instantly lol

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-29T13:38:04+00:00

There's also the reports of homophobes using the app for planning gay bashings and robberies, and let's not forget the scammers. The icon of the fucking app is a mask, so let's not forget that.

Dating apps as a whole can be a danger to the people who use them, that's why I don't bother.

Also, a bit unrelated isn't grindr owned by the CCP?

Well, it was. It was sold to an US company.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-29T03:19:10+00:00

Jonathan 'Jessica' Yaniv?

Or maybe Danny 'it's ma'am' Savage?

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-29T02:38:19+00:00

If Mulan was a transmen in disguise because she crossdressed then Bugs Bunny or any classic child's character would also be transgender. It's not like this is a common trope or anything.

Hell, in this case it's even worse: this..creature, is painting any gender non-confirming women as a men because how could possible any woman don't like femininity or traditional gender roles while still being a woman?

And these people have the gal to call themselves progressive...

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-29T02:28:21+00:00

Like people act like genital trauma or repulsion doesn't exist.

It's even worse: they act like genitals have no functionality and are just aesthetic. It's like they are 13 year olds or something.

Just one little message to any FtM who may be lurking: gay men don't like PiV sex, accept it and move on. Also, you dildoes aren't real penises.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-29T02:22:20+00:00

The irony in this tweet is that transgender ideology as a whole is filled with lots cognitive dissonance.

Gays: HRT doesn't change ones sex, so 'transmen' are still female and so we aren't interested in them.

FtM: but...what about men that had lost their penises on car accidents, or intersex men, because they are obviously equivalent to woman who pertake in a bunch of hormonal and aesthetic treatments in order to ~~catfish~~, ops I mean ~~trick~~, no be their real selves!

And let's not forget the classic anwser when, real and honest transwoman act like fetishist creeps: "they aren't really trans".

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-28T02:41:03+00:00

Most FtM have to get rid of their entire reproductive system because of atrophy and cancer risks.

The answer is obvious.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-28T02:39:27+00:00

Most of the science on transgender stuff is very recent, and in some cases nonexistent.

MtF breastfeeding and FtM pregnancies are two of the things we have no longitudinal data on, so people are just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Ah, also puberty blocking! I nearly forgot about this little chestnut.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-27T23:09:01+00:00

At this point I think most gay men would not notice or care if the G was entirely dropped of the letter soup movement.

Like, you think we are privileged? Ok, feel free to eject us to focus on the real opressed people out there: college gender specials. But there's the thing: after you have done so, don't even dare to come back to us crying when people get tired of your bullshit.

Leave us out of your madness.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-27T23:05:11+00:00

I love how they are using 'white' as a buzzword, it's so revealing of the hypocrisy of their whole worldview. Most of these twats are middle class college kids, they are literally the last people that should be pointing out perceived privileges of others.

My message to them: buy a fucking mirror.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-27T17:31:17+00:00

Some even came with shitty sob stories about how 'creepy' she was and other stupid nothing burger shit.

And guess what? Amongst the 'truscum' that discarded her was the two lesbians that were larping as gay men, you know, the ones who only got a platform because of Arielle? How ironic...

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-27T17:25:33+00:00

So she didn't learn anything...good to know.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-27T12:01:45+00:00

This is not surprising.

Even the 'truscum' that she used to promote ended up discarding her after she, let's say, outlived her usefulness. No wonder she now has adopted the fuck it all position.

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-26T20:48:18+00:00

The delusion is strong in this one.

It's not like encouraging these people in their denial of reality can lead to disastrous consequences. Not at all!

Shadow_Lurker · 2020-10-26T19:55:27+00:00

No problem, it was actually an interesting read, even though I disagree with nearly anything the author says.

They expect us to date trans people but eh, naw no thanks. I don't care if others do, just not interested.

It's not only the genitals, but also the fetishistic gaze most of these 'transbians' and 'aideens' have towards gay man and lesbians, and let's not forget the constant need for validation to go with it.

No thanks, I prefer actual gay men.

They invented the term bisexual+ now to include "all genders", whatever the hell that means. Oh..and to include "non-binary" and trans...It's better than pansexual but still a shame.

"Bissexual+" do not only exist as a mere call for 'inclusion', but also as a new brand to possibly sell shit with.

Remember: the modern letter soup movement is corporate as hell and 'pansexuality' didn't stick enough to be marketable. So what we are seeing is basically the abandonment of a not very marketable brand for a new one.

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