Why do we not hear as much pushback from gay, lesbian, and bisexual people against gender ideology?

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[–]Shadow_Lurker 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The mythology created around the Stonewall riots ended up making LGB people believe that they own their rights to the gender brigade, something which isn't true, as has been proved multiple times on this very sub.

TRAs still propagate such lies for two reason: it legitimizes transgenderism on one side and it minimises dissent from LGB people on another, because it paints any pushback from them as a "betrayal" to the people who "gave them rights". It's very insidious.

What are the obstacles to lesbian, gay, and bisexual people waking up en masse?

They are awake, in fact, some always were.

Let's just say that HSTS had already a very rocky relationship with gay men, something which has not changed in the last years. What did change was the recent push for the T and the colonization of gay spaces, which made some afraid to speak against them.

Surely, they must have noticed that spaces/groups that used to be for lesbian, gay, and bisexual people are not overrun by heterosexual people donning rainbow merch and hair colors?

Even regular 'woke' straight people have been predominant in LGB spaces for some time now. On principle I have no problem with that, but on practice this has lead to some akward scenarios, like for example, gay bashings happening inside gay bars and people taking such spaces as if they were zoos, which is very insulting to say the least.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The mythology created around the Stonewall riots ended up making LGB people believe that they own their rights to the gender brigade, something which isn't true, as has been proved multiple times on this very sub.

TRAs still propagate such lies for two reason: it legitimizes transgenderism on one side and it minimises dissent from LGB people on another, because it paints any pushback from them as a "betrayal" to the people who "gave them rights". It's very insidious.

I find this interesting because this narrative is so recent. And how did LGB people not notice that 5-10 years ago their were no trans heterosexuals in their LGBT spaces and groups and now they're basically the majority? And since the suicide myth is so prominent, how do none of these people realize that they can't think of a single human being who committed suicide because they were trans? And that the the LGBT orgs can't seem to come up with any such person to commemorate either? Or a single person who suffered violence for being trans? Until maybe recently with Eden the Doll. It just seems like everything is so out of nowhere any yet it seems perfectly timed with when gay marriage became legalized (at least in the United States).

Even regular 'woke' straight people have been predominant in LGB spaces for some time now. On principle I have no problem with that, but on practice this has lead to some akward scenarios, like for example, gay bashings happening inside gay bars and people taking such spaces as if they were zoos, which is very insulting to say the least.

Ugh yea the gay neighborhood in my area is just mostly straight people/queers at this point. One time my cousins invited me out to a gay bar to watch a drag show. They didn't know I was gay, but I remember thinking it felt invasive unless they were accompanying gay people. If you go into a gay bar or restaurant around here, you definitely can't assume the person you're talking to in there is same-sex attracted (unfortunately).

[–]Shadow_Lurker 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I find this interesting because this narrative is so recent. And how did LGB people not notice that 5-10 years ago their were no trans heterosexuals in their LGBT spaces and groups and now they're basically the majority?

Stonewall was a very exclusionary place, something that the usual suspects managed to whitewash over the years. The only people that could enter in there were those who had credentials with people already inside, which were mostly gay men and some butch lesbians. Hell, even drag queens had difficulties getting inside, imagine trans/genderspecials!

Ugh yea the gay neighborhood in my area is just mostly straight people/queers at this point.

By itself, this is not a problem. It signifies an integration of gay/lesbian people into society, which is very good!

The issues start to appear when some people are unable to respect the liturgies of gay/lesbian spaces. If a straight person goes to a gay bar, they must be aware that there's a chance that some same-sex flirting can happen and not flip their shit if it does.