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NutterButterFlutter · 2023-01-25T16:31:31+00:00

I’m finally learning to accept that my sexuality doesn’t fit neatly into a pre-established category and finding ways to queer my relationships, regardless of the gender of my partners.

Sounds healthy.

NutterButterFlutter · 2023-01-24T07:28:37+00:00

Buck is definitely NOT right wing - I cant think of any right-winger ever promoting pornography or sex toys ;) They're just saying that because that's what they do to opposition - name-calling and deflection. Buck became opposition by recognizing and acknowledging biological sex. Which is funny, because thats what truscum and transmeds do. They just also believe you can change it.

Buck does not. There are many cases of trans people getting tossed aside from their own community for the same reason.

Truscum tend to be the more sane trans of the lot. They arent tucutes and they believe in gatekeeping. They believe dysphoria is necessary to be trans, not self-ID. That feels familiar to many of us, especially anyone around in the 90s and earlier.

But make no mistake, they still live in todays society and are not immune to the indoctrination of modern TQ+. With their ostracizing from the LGBTQ+ crowd, they are also targets for grifters. With grifting comes worn-down acceptance, and then propagandizing.

I dont believe the OP of that post is actually truscum. Looking briefly through their post history, they very much do not like known right-wing people. They mock Caitlyn Jenner and Blair White, both of who are more on the truscum side of things, and call out Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson. They post in traaa, make tucute memes, and post validation selfies of their hormone timeline.

I think that OP is planting seeds to change the tone of the truscum sub. And there are users in there parroting back TQ+ mantra and getting upvoted. For example, the entire part of your quote:

sex isnt really immutable though. there are maybe 3 ways we can identify sex. through primary and secondary sex characteristics or through chromosomes.

primary and secondary sex characteristics can, for the most part, be completely converted.

it actually hard to know what chromosomes you have unless you get them tested, you might have primary and secondary sex characteristics typical of that of a male but have xx chromosomes.

or we could use both, which still doesnt really tell us anything about sex being immutable

gender is the immutable one really

NutterButterFlutter · 2023-01-19T16:21:15+00:00

This discussion has potential: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2192840/discussions/0/5562542501390409050

NutterButterFlutter · 2023-01-06T16:25:19+00:00

The sub was actually to talk about Bardfinn, and provide links to the Kiwi Farms thread about him: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://old.reddit.com/r/childabuseprevention*

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-12-21T16:42:40+00:00

I doubt it. Reddit introduced and updated rules recently to disallow "community harassment" from sub to sub.

So posts that call-out other subs for banning a user, or call-out other subs being negative or toxic in general, are seen as potentially inviting brigading and harassment. LGBT (and FTM) mods are covering their asses and removing the posts so they don't get hit with warnings from Admins.

What's ironic about the rule change is that all of that and more happened to our sub and many others over the years - it's always been crickets from Admins, or warnings to mods who report the behavior that WE need to clean up our acts. Its some sweet justice to see mods in these other subs being held accountable finally.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-12-21T16:27:55+00:00

Found an archive that includes the text which was removed: https://archive.vn/Etgnv

The post in question was this:
"r/askgaybros has got to be the most toxic subreddit I've ever seen for trans people's mental health. As a gay trans guy I struggle to feel safe in a lot of gay guy online spaces.
The only gay man oriented subreddit that I feel safe at is a subreddit that's specifically targeted towards gay trans guys (can't remember the specific title)
Obviously I know not all cis gay people are like this but holy shit some of them need to chill. Gay trans dudes are called straight women fetishizing gay men essentially.
Honestly as a trans FTM dude I'm so tired of cis gays throwing us under the bus to look better to society.
(Yes, I know not all cis gays are like this, just a worrying amount of them are)"
I got banned from commenting in the community because of the post. I think the ban might be temporary but idk.
Did I do something wrong? I'm rereading my comments under the post and the post itself but I don't see what I did wrong.
I just wanted to vent about the way SOME cis gays treat trans people...

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-11-28T17:05:47+00:00

A while ago I installed that extension TRAs use call Shinigami Eyes, where "anti-trans" users and sites are marked red and "pro-trans" users and sites are marked green.

Ive come up in the world everyone! After more than a year having a post on my Reddit profile directing users here, I finally got noticed sometime in the past few days, and my Reddit profile is now red, lol

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-11-16T20:09:15+00:00

They did ban it once in July 2020 for "promoting hate".

Detrans advocates noticed immediately and kicked up a fuss on Twitter, and within a few hours, it was unbanned.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-11-15T16:03:30+00:00

Post was removed, heres the original text of it:

In fact, liking beards or muscles/beef is more of a sing that a man is gay or bisexual, the guys who like dick the most are usually the onest that have no interest in men, which is very interesting.
What do you think of this? I personally agree with this.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-11-15T04:14:59+00:00

Existing in society with dignity means transwomen being alongside cis women - and being respected for WHO they are. Not WHAT they are.

They are trans. Trans and cis are not the same (also I despise "cis", I'm just using it for context). Trans and cis being different is okay. What matters is what kind of human you are and how you acclimate into our society, our tribe. Thats the path to equality - accepting differences as regular and normal, and working with and through our new understandings and compromises. Growth, not assimilation.

There is a difference between men who transition and females. And likewise women who transition and males. Thats OK. I wish these jokers would just learn from the "truscum" of the old days instead of trying to remake reality into their fantasy land. It shows their mental illness, and that medically-defined dysphoria needs to be the gatekeeper.

Using race as a comparison is deliberately antagonistic, and playing into politics and classism that has nothing to do with trans. It's changing the focus into how the lower people are kept down and fighting among each other, so they ignore what the top power players are doing. That is a worthwhile fight, to be fair, but its not the point of this and they know it.

Race is not the same as gender identity. Don't engage with the side-stepping and whatabouts. Keep your eyes open, and stop them in their tracks instead of going down the rabbit holes they introduce.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-11-14T20:08:19+00:00

Yes, "boy pussy" or "bussy" for short.

I remember it being used since the late 90s, not sure how long it's been a thing past that though.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-10-28T02:58:48+00:00

SO. MANY. PEOPLE. commented "not normal cis/het, so yes, queer".

Circling right back around to the homophobia of decades ago, where LGB (and other identities among us) are "not normal" and using slurs to group and corral us. They're erasing all the progress made and can't even see it.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-10-24T15:30:35+00:00

I'm pretty basic with my tea. Typhoo brand teabags, a splash of milk, and a couple spoons of sugar.

I'll drink other tea if I HAVE to, to be polite, lol. I'd rather switch to coffee if I cant have British tea though, really.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-10-20T15:06:09+00:00

Definitely NOT a fetish.

It led to a point where I was getting really interested in gay men. Not a “oh they’re cute” it was I wanted to be them. I wanted to be a gay man and that’s what made me realize wtf was wrong with me. I also started watching gay porn at the time. Ever since I started watching vids, I’ve gotten so horny to the guy bottoming.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-10-14T04:58:41+00:00

You read the entire dialogue of the mere 24 hours he was involved in, which he conveniently left out for all the dramatards. You also read our recap of the events of the month and a half we were involved with them, and stomped away claiming

you're all idiots and I think I'm done with bothering to check on this sub. A capybara gave you a free site with free hosting and that isn't good enough apparently. This sub is dead, no one uses saidit and it's been private for months. The movement is dead and any so is any momentum. Good job.

It's apparent what YOU think is true, so you might want to sit this one out.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-10-14T00:24:14+00:00

OP, I would think you of all people would know that Carp likes to stir up drama with half-truths and baiting. I mean, the whole point of rDrama is to blow everything out of proportion. Welcome back, by the way.

If anyone is interested in rehashing the truth of what went down, let me know. I still have all the details. Including conversations with Snakes.

Otherwise I'll remove this for rule 3. Up to you all.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-10-13T17:54:05+00:00

How awesome that you two formed an IRL friendship! Take care of yourself, and we will see you back again when you're ready :)

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-10-13T16:56:23+00:00

I think it's transphobic if someone doesn't wanna date me just because I'm trans. Now, mind, I'm post-op. My vagina should be pretty well within the standard variance you'd get with a cis vagina, very minor differences, and you wouldn't even know unless you were a gynecologist anyway. Realistically speaking the differences aren't enough. I'm also really fortunate in that I pass too, so I often get hit on by cis lesbians when I go out. (I live in a gay neighborhood)

Doubt. Post-op selfie from 3 weeks ago.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-10-10T16:15:14+00:00

I was wondering where you've been, take good care of yourself, and see you when you return!

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-10-03T16:39:22+00:00

events like Dinah Shore provide a platform for trans visibility

Oh fuck off.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-09-29T19:46:08+00:00

s/RightWingLGBT does exist, but it is pretty dead.

WPD also had a Telegram channel as another backup, and moved to their own offsite this summer. The offsite was taken over by the devs/admins, who then kicked the mod team off.

I'm not sure if the head mods plan to try to re-engage s/WatchPeopleDie here or are looking for other alternatives. Maybe u/tejmar or u/IAmMrPositive can weigh in?

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-09-29T16:07:52+00:00

Bloons TD6. Id like to think me and my monkey friends could destroy any and all of our balloon overlords with enough time and patience. Especially once I become Prince of Darkness.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-09-29T15:49:46+00:00

r/WatchPeopleDie got banned from Reddit in March 2019 and moved here. I have always been a lurker of their sub, so I did not make an account at the time, just browsed.

I modded r/LGBDropTheT on Reddit with a few others, and we started getting concerned about a ban also. We discussed a few sites to be a backup, but ultimately decided on SaidIt because of WPD. We trusted the WPD mods and figured if they found SaidIt welcoming, we would too. We eventually got banned from Reddit in July 2020 and completed our move then.

Now the only time I'm on Reddit is to help people find their favorites subs which got banned and remade here too :)

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-09-17T13:38:23+00:00

I dont remember where I first heard the term, but "fedposting" is when someone purposely makes comments/posts to draw the attention of the authorities. Like making bomb threats, or threatening the president, or sharing CP. Illegal things that normal people would never do on a public forum.

It can also be used to refer to a federal agent posing as a normal user and doing those things to draw others in (honeypot). But I most often hear it used the other way.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-09-13T15:35:29+00:00

Lets go give her videos some more views and keep her spirit and memory and message alive :)

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-09-12T19:07:01+00:00

Not an actual fed, no. From what I read, it was a sleeper agent who woke up to all of a sudden start posting violence and threats. It's called "fedposting" because it's meant to attract the attention of the feds.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-09-05T01:38:08+00:00

Crazy, right!!! From what I've been able to gather:

A terminally online trans woman (Keffals) went off the rails and got a naturally formed lynch mob sicked on him for his behavior
KiwiFarms users doxxed him multiple times
Keffals turned everything and everyone into a social media lynch mob towards KF on Twitter and Twitch
KF was defended by Cloudflare
Some sleeper agent users started fedposting on KF
KF got dropped by Cloudflare
KF / Josh / Null is now hosting wherever the hell he can, and calling out the hypocrisy so the lynch mob tides can start turning towards big tech and social media

I haven't been able to catch up on much else, but hope that helps.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-08-29T02:26:15+00:00

I may as well start. I do not have any bans under my belt except for automated bots on Reddit, so here's a story!

Your forever-loving original mods from Reddit (WavingVoid/me, IPD/Tumbleweed, and Rez/crypkids) saw an opportunity to take over some LGBDTT-like subs from a user who was suspended. We coordinated behind the scenes to request them through the "Reddit Request" sub. Most requests were ignored, but I managed to gain a couple. Maybe because all I really do anymore is mod, I don't know.

I got hold of r/TrueGayMen.

I'm a bisexual woman, I have no business running a gay man's sub. So I brought on a regular and passionate user to be the top mod in charge of things.

That user ruffled some feathers because he was open to bisexual men in strictly male relationships. I understand, but I didn't step in because it wasn't my place, I was only there to stop TRAs and homophobes from ruining things.

The sub eventually got banned for hate, as all "true" LGB subs do since we don't suck the girldick/eat the boipussy. The user I made a mod then came to SaidIt and his first post in our sub said:

It just feels like the conservative dickheads were right. You let the gays get married and you’ll open up Pandora’s box. I hate to admit it but it’s starting to look like they were right.

"The gays". Really?

He was immediately banned, and then tried to defend himself in Modmail saying:

No, it’s is wrong for you guys to ban me. You are jumping to conclusions and being overly sensitive. It sucks what happened to LGBDropthT. The least you could do is not abandon your own principles and create this kind of hostility in an environment where we all desperately need friends and allies.

It wasn’t a pity party. I am sorry because it wasn’t my intention to make anyone feel insulted. It was just a hammy, drama queen moment, that I picked up from hanging around gay people again these last few years. If we knew each other personally or if I was able to properly communicate my tone and sarcasm we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now I assure you.

You guys are good people.

"You guys".

So never really one of us, he was always an outsider. And wasn't even gay himself.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-08-29T01:39:04+00:00

Feel free to make a goodbye post if you'd like, you've been a good contributor for a long time and I'm sure I'm not the only one who will miss you. I hope to see you come back around! You'll stay on the Approved list, and I will be adding you to s/LGB too. I hope your break is just temporary while you take care of yourself.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-07-29T23:31:48+00:00

I remember us theorizing about which subs would be next to get banned.

r/averageredditor got banned about an hour ago.

The others seem to still be up. For now.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-07-29T15:33:30+00:00

They're delusional. They've completely skimmed over how these clinics are being opened so that providers have options like referring for mental health treatment, instead of being forced into the acceptance/affirmation model.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-07-20T18:29:17+00:00

That is really petty, agreed.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-07-20T16:18:29+00:00

Not quite a victory yet, but on its way. It needs to get passed through the Senate (and other legal measures) before being federal law.

Under the House bill, states could still restrict gay marriage if the Supreme Court overturns its prior ruling. But such states would be required to recognize marriages that occurred in states where they remain legal.

Still gives states the right to say no for themselves, but if a couple gets married in a state where it IS allowed, even the non-accepting states have to legally recognize it.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-07-14T15:32:51+00:00

This is because of the levels of hate and harassment they face while on platforms such as Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook and YouTube, according to GLAAD.

Reddit is suspiciously absent from this list, despite being what, the #7 or #9 platform in the world? Hmmmmm, wonder why...

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-07-06T15:26:55+00:00

I'm thinking targeting/harassment, since he's blaming LGBA for the online backlash he received?

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-27T01:42:22+00:00

I came here 3 months ago because the mod invited me

Which mod was that?

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-25T05:49:29+00:00

Sorry, on my phone tonight so kind of brief.

The USA is not comparable to the UK directly. We would be more like the EU as a whole (prior to Brexit).

The UK is more like a region of the US, and the countries in it are like our states. The UK could be our Southwest territories, and England or Ireland could be Texas or Arizona.

This decision of RvW would be the equivalent of the EU deciding they will not enforce abortion rights, and will leave it up to England or Germany or whatever to decide.

Our U.S. states are still able to decide, for what that's worth.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-25T04:38:38+00:00

Still reading up more and more on it. But I think this tweet actually sums it up pretty nice so far.

https://twitter.com/EugeneDaniels2/status/1540341480274944004

SC Justice Clarence Thomas says we should also reconsider Obergefell (legalization of same sex marriage).

LGB rights coming up next. It will be even easier because far left in the US have pushed for obfuscation and rewriting of language, including sex. So there is no need for protected rights of that which does not exist.

Did the far right a lot of favors and basically handed them the W.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-24T15:24:41+00:00

Archive, since original post was deleted: https://archive.ph/KziX0

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-22T18:56:37+00:00

Just over 472K according to the last archive. And SocialJusticeInAction has just over 95K.

That's a huge hit.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-22T17:17:26+00:00

TumblrInAction and SocialJusticeInAction

s/TumblrInAction here ... there are 2 subs for SJiA though. The "official" one run by the same mods is s/SocJus, and there's also an older one run by someone else at s/SocialJusticeInAction

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-22T04:06:17+00:00

Definitely an opportunity for Said It, I actually sent a message to M7 earlier warning him to brace himself lol.

Reddit doesn't actually require the email address to sign up. They make it look like it but you can just click "continue" without entering and you get to the normal anonymous creation screen. The obscufation is deliberate I'm sure.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-21T19:54:44+00:00

Sorry to hijack your post, but since everyone is talking about TiA and SJiA here ...

We're getting a lot of requests to join from TiA/SJiA refugees who didn't realize SaidIt, and our sub here, were still active. Any ideas how we should handle them in particular? Want me to just note them in the regular post, but also call out that they're refugees?

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-21T19:51:49+00:00

F-droid is the old app that's no longer in development: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.saiditnet.redreader/

It's not perfect, and is missing some functionality (like being able to flair posts, message mods, etc). But it works for browsing and commenting.

Having troubles using it today though, keeps error-ing out trying to get into subs. Not sure if that's because of an influx of traffic on SaidIt due to the bans, or if it's CloudFlare issues.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-21T19:39:53+00:00

Could also be SaidIt experiencing an influx of traffic, 2 big Reddits subs were banned this morning and they have backups here.

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-21T19:27:19+00:00

There's this old app that's no longer in development. It's not perfect, and is missing some functionality (like being able to flair posts, message mods, etc). But it works for browsing and commenting.

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.saiditnet.redreader/

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-21T19:17:59+00:00

Both have backup subs here on SaidIt at least:

s/TumblrInAction
s/SocialJusticeInAction
s/SocJus

I predict r/AverageRedditor will be next and possibly r/PoliticalCompassMemes

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-20T20:36:14+00:00

You're welcome! One of the few things I can easily do from my phone :)

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-20T17:29:34+00:00

Our most prolific posters are definitely in here already. Could be fatigue from it being "pride month".

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-16T17:31:13+00:00

Alternate link for mobile users (no app required): https://old.reddit.com/r/gaytransguys/comments/vb1u9d/if_one_more_guy_says_but_you_lack_the_part_im/

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-16T17:29:22+00:00

Here you go, Old Reddit links will open in your browser instead:

https://old.reddit.com/r/actuallesbians/comments/vdffb8/constantly_get_this_from_nonlesbians_its_so/

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-06-16T15:46:57+00:00

To be fair to u/justcool393, while he is technically a powermod, he's not of the same league as the cabal of N8s and Turtles. I've known of him for years by being in subs he's on.

JC393 is more like a silent partner, he squats to make sure subs don't get shut down as "unmoderated", and his only "ruling" is from the shadows as a coder. He's responsible for things like banning of 90.69% of r/drama users, or that time he broke a bot and ended up shutting down Reddit because of tying up all their resources.

WRD has needed to go for a while though. They've just been crippling themselves and users by adhering to the ever-increasing demands of Admins.

They should set up a redirect and call it quits. They tried some other site that no one ever heard of, and no one wanted to be a part of. Just point people here instead, and let this site grow.

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