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[–]mongre 37 insightful - 2 fun37 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

You are not alone.

The question is, what are we going to do about it?

[–]Riva 39 insightful - 7 fun39 insightful - 6 fun40 insightful - 7 fun -  (4 children)

We are here

[–]sproketboy 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup voted with my feet.

[–]Extract 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What are you doing here, though?

[–]Riva 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

[–]everythings 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Telling people how the monetary policy allows for these people to print money to buy people out of their best interests.

[–]liberty_primer 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In many ways a bunch of atomized forums is a better way to go than a centralized one. It sucks from a UX perspective, but it’s more censorship resistant.

My hope is that SaidIt or some other site adopts decentralization / p2p tech so you can get both a consistent UI and the benefits of decentralization.

[–]whistlepig 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The federated mastodon system has merits.. however I'm not a fan of that twitter style of communicating. A federated reddit/digg/slashdot/saidit/ruqqus would be pretty awesome.

[–]pyrit135 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Learn how to use RSS

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Get them classified as a porn sub so they get covered on every parental lock.

Cut off their supply of new blood.

[–]Honestanonymous 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We make saidit the greatest and let reddit go die in the grave it dug for itself. Fucking corporate assholes censoring freedom of speech mother fuckers.

[–]PresentableSonInLaw 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Decentralization is the only way.

[–]dfreally 30 insightful - 4 fun30 insightful - 3 fun31 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

Dumb fucks is all I can say. They could have kept a low profile and quietly shilled, gamed, advertised and manipulated without nobody who isn't keenly paying attention really noticing. Reddit was always biased and left leaning way before too, but it wasn't so overtly in your face.

The censorship and meddling and bias is so in your face and obvious now that nobody in their right mind will take reddit or anything on it seriously.

Once people are dialed in on what's going on, so much of the power is gone, manipulations become way less useful and effective. It's the same thing that MSM has done to themselves. Nobody trusts MSM.

[–]somecnut 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They could have kept a low profile and quietly shilled, gamed, advertised and manipulated without nobody who isn't keenly paying attention really noticing.

But that would not achieve their true purpose: virtue signalling to their San Francisco peers and other woketards. This is why woketards are so lethal to any large organisation - their personal objectives (getting virtue points) is often at odds with the objectives of the organisation (gaining market share, making money). And woketards are some of the most self-centred narcissists you will find, so they find it impossible to put their own personal objectives aside.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

their personal objectives (getting virtue points) is often at odds with the objectives of the organisation (gaining market share, making money)

I think that's why they decided not to do an IPO and not to become a publicly-traded company. Because if they did, then doing what you said would actually be illegal and they could go to jail or get massive fines, instead of it merely being bad business sense.

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The censorship and meddling and bias is so in your face and obvious now that nobody in their right mind will take reddit or anything on it seriously.

The entire point of the past 60+ years of subversion and indoctrination in was to create huge amounts of people that are NOT in their right minds. So that when they did this it would work.

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      [–]asterias 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      A few group of people made a new subreddit where people could go to but the mention of the subreddit was banned and anyone using the subreddit got banned.

      Exactly the same happened with r/Greece.

      In the r/Greece case, it is infested with Jewish bots that make various claims. I will make a detailed post about it when I have some time.

      [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Please tag me if you do

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They're morons. Those who are going full gestapo are only pushing people back to the right wing.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They're morons. Those who are going full gestapo are only pushing people back to the right wing.

      [–]magnora7 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      When you could be a centrist and skate by, it was okay.

      Now centrist opinions are banned.

      Then they're so far left they even started banning some center-left opinions. This is going to backfire bigtime, because that's most of the people on reddit. They're just on an ideological purity trek, and they're alienating more and more of their userbase as they do so.

      [–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Didn't you hear, silence is complicity.

      They had to do something because the left got a new slogan. That's it. That's the amount of sense behind it.

      [–]PencilPusher55 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      What do you personally think will happen? I think it will be an interesting experiment to watch an echo chamber that keeps enforcing it's laws and restrictions. Will more people get sucked in or will it eventually destroy itself?

      [–]numbmylove 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      More people will be sucked in initially and then they will self-devour. When every opinion is the same they slowly push to the more extreme and they will continue to alienate the mildly extreme. I suspect this will be the cycle for quite a while until it finally implodes and fades into obscurity.

      [–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They couldn't help it. This is the inevitable fate of all Leftism. It is not conservatism. There is no status quo. Only more and more and more change no one even knows they are serving Big Brother.

      [–]zyxzevn 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      The science was already censored from the beginning.
      All discussions on //science were moderated heavily.
      You would only see the narrative. Then came //bestof and //politics

      I used to see /atheism /conspiracy and /spacedicks on the front page.

      [–]Jizera[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      If a particular subreddit is moderated strictly it is no problem. Each subreddit has defined rules, scope and community. it is a specific niche created and maintained by some people. The problem is deplatforming whole communities, not only a subreddit moderator erasing a post or comment.

      [–]Dragonerne 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I think it's also a problem if seemingly neutral subreddits like r/politics r/news r/europe r/[nationsubreddit] r/science etc. are one-sided and censored. If they wanted a leftist politics subreddit then make one where its explicit like r/LeftwingPolitics.

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      How much of that was due to pressure from admins behind the scenes in the first place though?

      [–]asterias 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It has been rumoured that there have been such pressures on all successful subs, and admins have appointed their own mods over time. Sort of what they tried to do to the r/The_Donald, but in that case they were publicly exposed.

      [–]Fictionsaur 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

      It's bad reddit didn't have any significant competition as a primarily anon website for debate. If other communities like saidit appeared earlier, there would be a more equal distribution of users among these communities and so when reddit go down the path of censorship we could just migrate there. Instead, because of the monopoly, reddit will always come up as the first option for people looking for an anon website.

      It's a private company. We can only try to bring as much users to join alternative communities enough for them to compete against reddit even though it will take a long time to happen.

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        [–]AFutureConcern 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

        You're absolutely right. Google censor anything that could be considered a free speech platform that competes with the tech monopolies (let alone an actual right-biased site). Reddit blocks any links to thedonald.win or voat.co - and shadowbans you if you mention saidit.net. They intentionally fracture competitors as well - if one gets too popular, you can bet it will be censored and another alternative promoted. Since there is no expectation of free speech from the masses anymore, and leftist fools will side with big tech, denying that any censorship is happening, the tech companies feel absolutely free to stifle their competition through aggressive censorship and control of the public discourse.

        [–]konoplya 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        google is absolutely disgusting. half the shit i'm trying to find i can't find anymore. i resort to duckduckgo, which i used to bash for its cumbersome search results, until very recently. i still use google for non-hot topic queries, but anything politcal related or anti left you can't find much anymore. same with youtube results. its absolute shit, unless you change up the filters and sift through a ton of crap to find something useful.

        [–]bagano1 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Many countries are gearing up to go to war against Google. It's the beginning of the end.

        [–]oneinchterror 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Good. It's about time. They should have been destroyed the moment they dropped "don't be evil" as their motto.

        [–]Honestanonymous 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Google is censoring the fuck out of everything

        [–]Dragonerne 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        The solution for the right is to ban leftist companies. Use their own cancel culture against them.

        The right is afraid of big government because we know that the leftists will use it to oppress us. The left isn't afraid of centralized power because they know that the right wont use it against them. It's time we play their own game.

        [–]jet199 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        Reminds me of something I read along the lines of "it's funny how Ken Loach makes endless films about how bad, faceless and useless government is but votes for more government."

        It's not that they don't know centralised power is bad. They just think somehow it would be magically better with themselves in charge.

        [–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes exactly. There is nothing in fact that drives them more mad than centralised power. They're fueled by their hate of centralised power but only when its used against them, because that's an injustice.

        [–]Honestanonymous 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        That's exactly the problem and look at how the Chaz/chop went or evergreen college, as soon as these passive aggressive jellyfish fucks get their tentacles on any power they start abusing the shit out of it, I wouldn't be surprised if they started putting people in camps for racism or something absurdly stupid like that

        [–]tuesday 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Is reddit blocking s a i d i t.n e t

        [–]AFutureConcern 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        There are of course ways to encode the information that an automated tool cannot catch, for example

        int.to_bytes(544869074015978395690356, 10, 'big').decode()
        

        But the mods & admins will surely be watching. If they see you promoting saidit they may well manually shadowban you.

        [–]thebonkest 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Because people can't just make alts or put the URL in memes.

        [–]Honestanonymous 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Those are some barbaric and cutthroat vicious aggressive people

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          [–]Dragonerne 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          Yes, try finding studies on race and IQ with google. You'll have an easy time finding studies that are misleading based on fallacies from the 70s, but finding the useful studies is a lot harder.
          I think they use social media to weight the links so they cluster "wrong think" people and based on the links they post or click they decrease/increase in ranking.
          I would assume reddit does this too with their upvoting system. Some votes count more than others - at scale. For small numbers you wont notice but say 1000 upvotes from the "wrong" group might count as only 700 while 1000 upvotes from the "right" group might count as 1500.
          This would be an easy way to control filter content.

          [–]thebonkest 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          I noticed Ruqqus actually does this too when I was downvoted for calling out a racist. Went from 115 Rep to 27 rep, all for two posts that were -14 and -15 points, respectively.

          It's scary how the world is splitting up into factions and how entire social systems are being set up to glorify the opinions of the political faction they market to.

          [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Not saying they don't do it but have you considered that some people went through your profile and downvoted all your posts as a possibility?

          [–]thebonkest 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          I checked, those were the only two affected. Any place that allows downvoting opens the door to ideologues exploiting it to silence those they disagree with. And developers will skew algorithms to do the same.

          [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          You can do the same on saidit without downvotes. I hope they wont do that in the future.

          [–]PencilPusher55 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Wow! You're right. It is always those lame ass articles "me spent one week on the alt-right version of da innternet!"

          [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          It's hard to fight a system that owns the system and knows you're coming.

          [–]tuesday 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          Instead, because of the monopoly, reddit will always come up as the first option for people looking for an anon website.

          AOL, MySpace, HotMail, and others used to be the go-to sites. Now they're wastelands and people barely remember them.

          it will take a long time to happen

          People can only move to saidit as fast as they hear that saidit exists.

          So put a link in your email sig! Put a link on Linkedin! Don't forget Twitter and Facebook. Tell your friends and family! Casually mention it to your coworkers! Let the pizza delivery guy overhear you talking about! Mumble to yourself when you're on the bus or train that whoops gotta check your saidit account! Tell the bar tender or write saidit on the tip you give the waitress. Tell your non-woke teacher and librarian -- there are just so many people who are already fed up with the media control freakery and more growing every day. And they all want to know about the free speech readily available at saidit.net.

          So tell them.

          [–]bagano1 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

          Overmoderation needs to be a thing of the past. Mods actually need to be punished for banning people for disagreeing with them, fighting with other users or punishing people for social criticism. I don't support racial supremacy of any kind. However, if you want to call people out for bad behavior, I think that should be allowed as long as you can provide some sort of evidence. I think suppressing it, or worse, as we've seen with African-Americans that is becoming a serious problem, siding with them every time something happens is just a bad road to take. Minorities are NOT always right! There are some dumb liberals out there trying to push that and I draw the line at that!

          But back to my point, yeah, unless you are disrupting a board by spamming it or being an idiot, you should not be banned. Period. I've actually done some moderating. It's really not hard. Some sites are exemplary. Others don't seem to understand that overmoderation just makes people frustrated and drives great posters away.

          [–]Fiyanggu 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          You're absolutely right, but how did we get here from the good old days when people would think for themselves? I blame the whole butthurt Millenial safespace culture. Somehow we have to cater to the lowest common denominator of butthurt and that keeps people from raising an alternative opinion for fear of offending someone.

          [–]magnora7 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          In terms of the internet specifically, I think part of it is that the barrier to access for things like internet forums has become so low that there's literally lots of 8 year olds talking on the forums, whereas 20 years ago, most people online were at least highschool or older and it was a little hard to figure out so you had to be somewhat smart and capable to get there in the first place. Whereas now they can give a baby a phone with a reddit app installed and they can post. The internet used to be filled with geeks, because those were the only people who cared enough to figure it out. Now it's so ubiquitous you can sneeze and accidentally post on the internet

          [–]oneinchterror 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

          Cheap smartphones and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

          [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          There have been a lot of benefits to it as well. Just like every other tool, humanity is going to have to learn how to use it correctly and in a beneficial way. Right now we're all toddlers with cellphones, mesmerized by the shiny apps. Some day we will grow up and use it like the tool it is, but we're going to have to make the missteps first to learn what not to do

          [–]lairacunda 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          No, you see. Subs, (and here too), are created with different intentions in mind. Why should people who want to discuss ideas or concepts with others who basically agree with them, have to contend with all the people who disagree with them, AND in all the ways they could possibly disagree with them? At the end of the day maybe you just want to have a conversation without having to justify and defend yourself constantly. Mods agree with the intention of the sub and help keep the space productive and enjoyable for the intended users. There are places that are created with a "debate", change-my-mind outlook. But there are others that are clearly for a particular group of people. They are not and shouldn't be all-inclusive. People with minority opinions should be able to find other like-minded people. Minority opinions can get drowned out by sheer force of numbers. This is known as "brigading". If people stayed in their own lanes, maybe banning would not be necessary. Banning is the only way to ensure QC. Though on Reddit it's a joke because the bans are by user name and not by computer address. Nothing prevents people from brigading under multiple accounts. Plus. depending on who you are, the admins don't give a shit.

          EDIT: word

          [–]thebonkest 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          And we've seen how completely and utterly destructive that kind of thinking leads, so maybe it's better that people put up with the mild inconvenience of having to defend their position whenever they express it, and actually learn how to connect with other people and debate properly -- or even worse, learning how to just ignore people who say such things and not respond to them at all.

          Or we can all continue to get more and more violent and kill each other in a massive civil war that will collapse the country and allow other countries (Russia, China) to get ahold of our nukes. That would totally be the better option than having to defend our own opinoins

          [–]lairacunda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          There are places and there should be places where we can all gather together. But then there are places where you really just want to be with "your own", whatever that may be. I'm someone with minority positions and outlooks, I'm also a minority many times over and belong to many fairly powerless subgroupings and demographics. I don't have "popular opinions" and don't wish to be homogenized into the greater whole. I disagree that I should have to continuously defend and justify myself in unproductive and often infuriating conversations, just so everyone feels "included". I should be able to find others who are like me and agree with me. Making everyone partake with everyone is what gets people killed or their cultures destroyed. What you describe as a "mild inconvenience" is not benign but rather closer to forced assimilation.

          [–]thebonkest 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          I disagree that I should have to continuously defend and justify myself in unproductive and often infuriating conversations, just so everyone feels "included".

          And we've all seen where that kind of frustration leads us. It might suck for you, but if you're finding you have to constantly defend yourself when talking to other people, the problem might not be them, the problem might be you and who you're hanging around with.

          [–]lairacunda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I think we're done here. Arguing this point is unproductive and we're not going to change the other's mind. Remember this conversation if you're ever in a situation where you just want some space or to be with your own but someone louder, richer, bigger and more powerful insists on joining you and being part of your group, insists on actually being you, and you're just a bigot if you don't agree, don't love them, don't want to have sex with them, be friends, etc. Remember this conversation when they get you fired from your job, stalked and doxxed for not agreeing that whoever and whatever you are, your identity, is up for grabs and that you owe them because they and their allies say so.

          [–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Wow, you are a douchebag.

          [–]oneinchterror 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          IMO a big problem is that most people don't truly believe in unfettered free speech. Take Voat, for instance. After the Ellen Pao fiasco in 2015 and Reddit's first major banwave, Voat exploded in popularity and actually thrived as an all around decent website for a while (intermittent server issues notwithstanding). The thing is, a fairly significant segment of Voat's new userbase was made up of unsavory Reddit rejects from places like /r/FatPeopleHate and /r/CoonTown. Many people soon realized that Voat was dead serious about free speech, and a consequence of that is endlessly being called "kike" and "niggerfaggot" by spergs and seeing racial slurs on the front page. This inevitably lead many people to conclude: "maybe some restrictions on acceptable speech are actually good or necessary". More and more people left the site until only those who were okay with that sort of content remained. It's not at all conducive to building popular competitors. If a website doesn't censor, it turns into 4chan or Voat. If the site does censor, then why leave Reddit?

          Better rules/moderation seems to be the answer, (but who decides what that means?) and there are still serious barriers to entry for new contenders - just look at what fucking VISA did to the founder of Gab.

          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          this is why free speech sites need to make it easy for the user to filter the content too. you need both. a good block button like on the fediverse, notabug.io's delegated moderation, whatever the solution is.

          or a way to positively filter content, like saidit's "friends" feed feature.

          [–]thebonkest 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          You know what would be a viable solution? An algorithm that allows the user him or herself to filter out racist content from their feeds instead of the site censoring everybody.

          I'm sure that would be abused somehow, but if it were made as like an add-on or a separate app the user could remove at any time, guaranteeing the truly unfettered nature of the site underneath, that would allow every faction to coexist on the same website in relative harmony by simply erasing the existence of the other from their view.

          [–]Fiyanggu 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Usenet was still there up until a few years ago. I never understood the move away from Usenet to specialized websites and forums. It was so convenient to have everything grouped together and pretty much unpoliced. I miss the wild west days of the internet. Even the AOL invasion was better than today's right-think Big Brother internet.

          [–]terfy_delight 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I've been thinking about this, too, but maybe it's a good thing. Maybe by driving people off the site, they're breaking up their monopoly. It's creating demand for more places that allow more freedom of speech and thought. My main issue w/ a lot of these online spaces is how it enables people to fully lock themselves in echo chambers that completely alter their reality and world view. That's the scarier part to me. For example, Twitter. Most of Twitter exists in a whole nother world that is entirely virtual and has no correlation to real life. You have people walking around who live in a reality that doesn't exist, and many of these people are "important" and are making decisions and driving discourse thru teaching, writing, and speaking based off this false reality they've locked themselves into.

          [–]suckitreddit 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          This!

          Remember when people used to say that? But seriously, I agree with you. Free speech is important. Very, very important.

          [–]magnora7 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Yes, I have to wonder, if a website is the #6 most visited website on the entire internet, shouldn't that be considered a public utility? Why is a private company with a few randos at the head, able to completely control and censor international discourse? It's quite insane, if you really step back and look at it.

          That's why we need like 100 reddit alternatives, and they all need activity. We need to democratize our speech by democratizing our presence around the internet.

          The fact everything on the internet has coalesced around Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit, is just upsetting. I think that era is coming to an end for obvious reasons.

          [–]thebonkest 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          It's because nobody wants to admit the Bill of Rights applies to private entities too because that would take away their ability to censor and dominate other people however they want.

          People don't really respect rights anymore.

          [–]zeusdx1118 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          because it resembles me situation in my homeland between 1945-1948

          Wooo! How old are you? Wow. Glad to see people your age learning continuously, using technology, etc. That's awesome.

          [–]StaresBlankly 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          I have a very old account with a hell of a lot of karma on Reddit that I have been debating whether or not to Nuke with a script before deleting it or somehow use it to help turn Reddit around but after the last two ban waves in the last month I don't even want to give them a single click ever again. I don't think they are worth saving I don't think they can be saved. They chose their sides, burned their bridges and threw away their past.

          [–]angrybirdofparadise 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Overwrite your old comments and then delete the account! People can still Google old Reddit posts and find information from them. If you left any useful or entertaining content, that adds some value to Reddit. I deleted my account after deleting all my comments from hobby subs.

          [–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Je to v prdeli

          (It's fucked)

          (Did I guess right?)

          [–]lestratege 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Reddit was once a small site, and it grew out of Digg's demise. And Digg grew out of Newsgroups by adding the voting option. If Reddit does not serve a purpose, another site will. It might take a few months, but there is no demand that is left unmet if the tools exist. Saidit is in a good position to grab the disgruntled mainstream users, while Voat has just already monopolized all the rightwingers because they were the first to be kicked out of Reddit and it was the only alternative then.

          [–]Honestanonymous 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yeah man its truly scary what they have done, and its all whitewashed behind the faces of seemingly harmless people but an insidious evil is lurking in the corners that not many people can see.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Same here.

          I'd also add that what also scares me is realizing that there is a blatant attempt on reddit to radicalize/brainwash young men. Quite a few super mods are obviously pedophiles, sexual freaks, transwomen who want to groom boys into their "lifestyle", with the help of "sissy porn" and pushing incel narratives. It's not for the "betterment" of these boys... the end game is to exploit people for profit. They want to silence conservatives and women who disagree with their normalization of obliterating all sexual boundaries.

          A month ago, if someone told me this, I would have figured they were a Qanon conspiracist. While I don't follow that whole ! conspiracy theory, it's obvious that Reddit, Google and Twitter are collectively pushing this tr@nny narrative down people's throats. There are a huge number of twisted porn-addicted psychopathic transwomen in powerful positions within tech and the media. I'm convinced the end game is to normalize pedophilia. Why else would these same people be pushing the whole transitioning ideology on CHILDREN?

          Big corporate is echoing their sentiments because "selling sex + transitioning medicine = big profit".

          Governments, collectively, need to stop this shit right in it's tracks. It's revolting, inhumane, immoral. The potential outcomes are terrifying.

          Kids should be left alone, not forced to chop off their dicks or sew up their vaginas because they play with the "wrong" colored toys-- all so some pervs can get their rocks off and so big corporate can make some more cash.

          [–]1donteven 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          'Who Are the Rich, White Men Institutionalizing Transgender Ideology?'

          'Exceedingly rich, white men (and women) who invest in biomedical companies are funding myriad transgender organizations whose agenda will make them gobs of money.'

          https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

          [–]DeepCrimsonPill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          I actually support these decisions, and congratulate Reddit for doing such a through job at cleansing some of the most vile people on the planet - fat, anti-male, ugly feminists. These are the kind of people who would mock male struggles, loneliness, and suicides. I do not have sympathy for these people under any circumstance, least of all some tranny mod shutting them up.

          There's really never any good reason given why Reddit should give a platform to the enemies of its ideology. Removing them from the system leaves its goals uncontested. My only problem is that I don't have the same level of power so I could squelch my opposition with a press of a button.

          "Freedom of Speech" is a dumb idea made by enlightenment liberals who lived in cohesive societies. I have no interest in defending the rights of lying Communists, feminists, and anti-White racists who want to see me and my society destroyed. Debates don't work, I just want them gone. And if we had power, I would make sure these ideas would never be said in public again without fine, imprisonment, or execution. After all, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

          [–]thebonkest 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          Go to Voat with the rest of the bigots then if you feel that way.

          Here, Ruqqus and other websites that will spring up actually are for unregulated free speech and for fostering a marketplace of ideas instead of letting ideologues like you control discourse. You're just as authoritarian as the left and are just as much a part of the problem.

          [–]DeepCrimsonPill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          The problem is that you are not as authoritarian as the left and you're getting your ass kicked. As I said, there is no reason for the left to give you an inch. But instead of advocating for your side, you die on the hill of principles people hold decreasing interest in.

          Two sides of a football game. One team wants to score as many points as possible to win the game and will do anything to get there - brutal plays, clever tricks, demeaning of opponents. The other team wants to play nice and fair - actually, it wants both teams to have an equal number of points! They're beyond primitive concepts like winning the game. So instead of playing the game, they get pushed over while they just keep complaining.

          [–]thebonkest 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          The problem is that you are not as authoritarian as the left and you're getting your ass kicked. As I said, there is no reason for the left to give you an inch. But instead of advocating for your side, you die on the hill of principles people hold decreasing interest in.

          I used to think that way back when I was a member of the alt-left and I used to express similar sentiments. Back then, I didn't really realize how other people would take that and how far they would go to get what they want, and that although thankfully I never stepped beyond the Moral Event Horizon to accomplish my goals, that they would.

          Politics is not football. We can't treat it like football if we're going to have a meaningful democratic society or even if we're going to deal with a rogue political faction going off the fucking walls. And I have learned that it is possible to beat them with fairness, and confidence, and without stooping to the level of brutally subjugating innocent people. It's possible if you're willing to do the right thing and not care about what other people will think if you do so -- so long as your methods do not involve abusing other people.

          The ends do not justify the means. The means determine the end result, and that's not a kitchy saying, that's an actual fact of life. HOW you solve problems is what actually affects the real world, not your stated goal or your intentions. Your actions are what matters. Remember that.

          [–]DeepCrimsonPill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          My detailed, academic response:

          Looooooooossssseeeeeeeeerrrr!

          [–]TheKentuckyRifleman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Welcome to the crowd