Laundering alternatives

Node · 2021-09-16T20:17:19+00:00

The reason for 3 stars and my not using the system anymore is some of my clothes started to fade. Not many...just a select few. Bed sheets, towels, and maybe 2 or 3 shirts out of a 100 that had all gone through the system for 6 months. They didn't fade all at once but very gradually look like a very diluted bleach was used.

Depending on the dye used, I can see it being oxidized along with the dirt. The review by the commercial O3 laundry unit seller (to hotels and etc) is pretty credible. Also, the guy mentioning you might need a little soap for oil or grease stains has a good point.

All in all, it sounds like a viable way to mostly stop using laundry detergent, and have chemical free and cleaner clothing.

Node · 2021-09-16T19:55:41+00:00

https://www.ewg.org/guides/cleaners/7037-KirklandSignatureUltraCleanPremiumLaundryDetergentFreeClear/

https://www.ewg.org/guides/cleaners/6009-PuracyNaturalLaundryDetergentFreeClear/?formulation=6551

I'm not thrilled to learn about the 2-BROMO-2-NITROPROPANE-1,3-DIOL in my kirkland laundry soap. Puracy seems fairly decent, although their claims of excessive cleaning abilities seem a little exaggerated.

https://www.discountcleaningproducts.com/SONOZAIRE-630A-OZONE-GENERATOR-115-volt-50-60-hz-p/as36.htm

This is my biggest O3 generator. Looks like this on the inside. Air is sucked through those glass tubes which subject it to a high voltage that fries the air and adds an extra oxygen molecule onto O2, making it O3. That extra 'O' molecule wants badly to jump off onto an odor molecule and zap it to nothingness. Same with organic matter making up stains and odors on clothing.

The concept seems credible, although as someone who always built or modified my own equipment, I'm leery of such a tiny unit being sold at retail. Could be a good solution for people who don't build their own stuff. If you are a DIYer, you could probably do way better. Here are some reviews.

https://www.amazon.com/O3-Pure-Laundry-Washer-System/product-reviews/B00AUWTYN2

fschmidt · 2021-09-16T01:55:23+00:00

A link to a post does the same thing. Here is an example:

https://saidit.net/s/misanthropy/comments/8auz/the_wisdom_of_a_drug_lord_snonmorons/

auch999 · 2021-09-16T01:48:24+00:00

A crosspost says "Check out the sub I'm in!", whereas 'normal' posts just say "Don't forget to look at the 'other discussions' tab!".

thefirststone · 2021-09-16T01:47:11+00:00

To explore new parts of the site, simply page through /s/all/new. But if subs aren't working for you, maybe you want tags instead.

Viewing posts based on tag is a good idea. It's been proposed before. Tags versus containers is a long debate on things like bookmarks. Though I haven't seen a reddit-like site that's implemented it yet, so I don't know exactly what it would look like.

You could #tag or whatever all your own posts, or in a sub of your own, and try to get it to catch on.

Making it easier to find posts based on tags might increase participation. Duplicate posts, for me, would not. I've seen that before and it's tiresome.

Edit: Actually, I can think of some sites that use tags, but their interfaces are tuned for microblogging rather than link aggrogation. Minds and Gurlic both use tags and timelines, but I can't tell if I hate their tags or just their Facebook/Twitter style. Oh well.

d3rr · 2021-09-16T01:26:44+00:00

How is it not just a tool for spammers? Duplicate posts with the same url in different subs are already shown.

auch999 · 2021-09-16T01:13:31+00:00

What's the purpose of a crosspost? A crosspost is a signal that says "There is a post in a sub I never heard of, but I might find interesting." In other words, crossposts would amplify interactions on saidit.

fschmidt · 2021-09-16T00:09:39+00:00

It's a stupid and pointless feature when one can just post a link to another post.

d3rr · 2021-09-15T23:42:40+00:00

I'll accept a Pull Request for it if it works correctly.

JasonCarswell · 2021-09-15T19:21:57+00:00

LOL

JasonCarswell · 2021-09-15T18:55:02+00:00

https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg

JasonCarswell · 2021-09-15T18:47:20+00:00

They make everything criminal now. Even being homeless is a crime.

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-15T18:15:13+00:00

It's literally impossible to be a large landlord or land developer in New York without having criminal connections to make things happen.

it is impossible to be homeless and not have criminal connections...

Zapped · 2021-09-15T12:27:22+00:00

Can't people "go deeper" in groups while still having a free and open arena for ideas to be tossed around and other viewpoints to be heard?

Drewski · 2021-09-15T04:21:00+00:00

I always appreciate /u/HibikiBlack 's posts and comments.

fschmidt · 2021-09-14T17:33:16+00:00

i suggested that it might be better to ask "who has made profound suggestions to make things better"? (or something like that)

Has anyone besides me done this?

JasonCarswell · 2021-09-14T14:47:46+00:00

Trump and his family have been connected to criminals, the deep state, and Zionists for a long time.

A few years ago I transcribed this (with a couple corrections): https://Infogalactic.com/info/Powers_%26_Principalities,_Episode_047,_Proper_Transcription It's a terrific series, but for brevity you may wish to skip to 1:08:30.

That's hardly the only evidence.

It's literally impossible to be a large landlord or land developer in New York without having criminal connections to make things happen.

Trump is VERY friendly with Israel and their leaders, Ashkenazi Jews, Russian leaders (not the fake Russiagate, there is a deeper one), and globalist oligarchs.

In 2020 Trump did absolutely NOTHING effective to stop the riots.

In 2020 Trump did absolutely NOTHING effective to stop the COVID hysteria.

In 2020 Trump did absolutely NOTHING effective to call out the impeachment absurdity.

In 2020 Trump did absolutely NOTHING effective to expose the rigged elections.

In 2020 Trump did absolutely NOTHING effective to correct the Jan 6 bullshit.

In 2020 Trump did absolutely NOTHING effective since leaving office on any matter.

Trump did absolutely NOTHING effective on ANY of the really big issues that affect common normal people's lives in a good way while in office.

The guy is an actor and he played a role.

Sure he's better than Killary or Burden or a piece of shit. That's not hard to do.

If Trump and Biden are actually the best options we have for leaders then humanity is in deep deep deep shit. Fortunately it's easy to see the entire authority thing is a bullshit scam for the ignorant distracted masses.

JasonCarswell · 2021-09-14T12:28:40+00:00

Have you considered researching for better ways for autists to clearly communicate?

I'm guessing there must be courses for folks from all across the spectrum.

Obviously you're frustrated enough to make this post. Obviously I've been frustrated with many of your comments. Obviously there's room for improvement. In myself too.

If you can better communicate, you'll be better able to connect to people, relate to people, and share information with people, and ultimately that's what this and other forums are about.

JasonCarswell · 2021-09-14T11:57:11+00:00

I rounded up. 99.97% is still pretty good. I think you'll survive.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T11:29:44+00:00

90 % are following rules. While i read books and jump my rope.

Once it gets hard : Things change.

jet199 · 2021-09-14T09:14:17+00:00

Take your meds.

No one's in your room.

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-14T08:57:30+00:00

you can, but i wont join in.

Airbus320 · 2021-09-14T08:29:51+00:00

Why can't we insult each other?

johnnybravo · 2021-09-14T07:16:15+00:00

I, uh, that's nice.

johnnybravo · 2021-09-14T07:15:40+00:00

I think I've pissed off a guy just a few days ago lol. Dude was seething, our conversation lasted like 20-30 posts before I left and others argued in my place. But still not enough incentive. Good, I think.

One thing I make a point of, is to not let people know that just one person is behind different persona. If I, in different threads, behave in distinct ways, I do not do anything that will let people know I'm the same guy. If 2 personas are famous for posting specific pictures, I don't post them in the same thread. That way, they can't weave a necklace. The people I've seen get doxed always left a trail. Maybe namefagging, maybe signed off their posts like a retard, maybe upload a very specific set of pictures.

I'm not very good at acting like a retard despite being retarded. If I were, maybe someone would want to dox me.

But one thing's certain, these jokers provide a lot of entertainment and drama.

d3rr · 2021-09-14T06:53:01+00:00

thanks man. alas my record here isn't perfect, but I am trying. there is a good crowd here.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T03:45:57+00:00

I can be gentle. Most of your people are numb.

There simply is nor reason for me to break their anasthesis.

thefirststone · 2021-09-14T03:42:31+00:00

Only if it costs extra.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T03:41:00+00:00

You want me to be gentle?

thefirststone · 2021-09-14T03:38:40+00:00

I don't have a boss. Do I still get handling? Is it gentle?

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T03:36:26+00:00

Born immune.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T02:32:29+00:00

Play me numb once more.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T02:24:55+00:00

Extremely easy to get without killing anyone.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T02:21:47+00:00

You still would believe i need a fucking swordl.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T02:06:00+00:00

Else i get one of these sistas to really hurt you.

JasonCarswell · 2021-09-14T01:33:39+00:00

/u/d3rr and /u/zyxzevn still have perfect scores in my book thus far and earn my highest respect, followed closely by another dozen or so, give or take, that are flawless too but I don't know well enough, followed by another couple dozen whom I also hold in very high esteem and may even disagree with on some things. I'm probably forgetting some.

Though, I don't know if you can consider that "influence", nor have I any way to measure influence, much less positive or negative influence. A person may be popular with like-minded people with the same viewpoints without being influential. Some on here influence us to despise them, does that count?

I suspect this was not meant to be a popularity contest, or anything negative, but it seems like idle community chat of little consequence. If you're interested in some constructive discussion ideas to help this site and maybe build community spirit I'd be happy to pitch some by you to lead in wider discussions.

Basghetti · 2021-09-14T01:32:30+00:00

Would you be up for running a soiled load as a regular washload first and then running the ozone afterwards to see if that makes any sort of difference too?

I haven't played with the machines before, but they sounded really interesting, and would honestly cut down significantly on detergent costs for less soiled runs. I may end up just getting a different washer though. I had my eye on a really swank front loader with a self clean option. My dog sheds an insane amount, so that's pretty useful-- even more so when the filters are easily accessible to get all the hair out before drying. Mine is past my waist, so between her and I there's hair intricately interlooped into everything in this house.

I've been looking at Puracy as a brand for detergent. When I'm out next, I think that I'll order some. Their shampoo and conditioner doesn't contain polyquaternines, silicones, sulfates, or other crap, and has a pH of 5.5-- which is perfect, and I use it as a body wash as well. I believe they've also got one of the substances from Inolex that I was researching before and had good impressions on. I've been happy with it, so I think that I want to expand into their product line further.

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-14T01:32:20+00:00

really? i am sure that you can explain that to me. i am all ears.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T01:25:58+00:00

Purple always wins. The point here being it doesn't feel as good. Especially since all green idiots here speak about "enablment".

Lie direct into my face. Anymore.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T01:17:44+00:00

The first girl offering this question may become my gf. :)

JasonCarswell · 2021-09-14T01:06:56+00:00

Truth.

Trump is a Zionist limited hangout.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T01:04:10+00:00

Is this so unreasonable ?

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T01:02:54+00:00

You need to earn a lot more karma. To be handled like i am from the bosses.

Just saying...

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-14T00:59:21+00:00

My way is the Jedi way. Not armoring myself up in fear of destruction.

Anyway: You got a point and i had the honor to learn something from it.

So be my guest in any further absurd seeming enterprises.

Basghetti · 2021-09-14T00:24:07+00:00

Eli, if I had a chemistry instructor as out there as you are, I think the course would have made me want to die slightly less when I went through it.

mahavishnunj · 2021-09-13T23:22:46+00:00

i dont but do still, while i used to still dont.

mitch wouldve hated that

la_cues · 2021-09-13T22:38:48+00:00

I used to. I still do, but I used to, too.

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-13T22:00:41+00:00

works for me.

FlippyKing · 2021-09-13T21:44:48+00:00

That's one way to look at it, but when reading people like "socks" comments here and concluding they are being fully disingenuous why should I have my time wasted by that? If you think they are being genuine and saying what they really think, then it would make sense to read them. If you think everyone on the internet is genuine, then that already seems impossibly unrealistic. I maintain that blocking socks has been quite a benefit to my experience here, and I further maintain that I've missed out on nothing, no great insights, no good arguments, no consistency in ideas only consistency in partisanship.

But, I also think your example is weak. I don't think I've ever heard a preschool child say that. Most of us are here because Reddit said that to us. I would not call that preschool behavior. I see it as part of the way consent is manufactured, and the way bad ideas are protected from scrutiny. It's more about misuse of authority. What I'm doing is simply seeing those who truly waste my time, and I make the right choice.

Earendil · 2021-09-13T21:07:07+00:00

Keep throwing emojis at them, that really seems to aggravate everybody.

mahavishnunj · 2021-09-13T20:58:40+00:00

i used to, but now i dont as a consequence of this out of context post.

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-13T20:43:30+00:00

when the economies have changed, and there is no food in your pot, there will be a new joke in the streets..

it goes like this: stir your pot.

la_cues · 2021-09-13T20:34:25+00:00

fasten your seat pelts

MagicMike · 2021-09-13T20:32:00+00:00

It’s subtle humor, an example of ‘stirring the pot’.

la_cues · 2021-09-13T20:28:46+00:00

When I am enjoying a quality link, something like 7/13 times it's /u/Drewski

socks · 2021-09-13T20:26:47+00:00

Why would you say that? What have I done to you?

thefirststone · 2021-09-13T20:05:58+00:00

I do now, as a consequence of this out-of-context post. Thanks.

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-13T20:03:55+00:00

you originally asked something about "who stirs the pot the most"?

i suggested that it might be better to ask "who has made profound suggestions to make things better"? (or something like that)

by going deeper, i am suggesting that if a group were to operate in a "think tank" manner, they would constantly be refining their goals and purposes, instead of just having everyone running around in random directions.

the purpose of leadership is to direct or lead the group, NOT TO BAN THEM, etc.

but i do recognize that the actual purpose of these forums is to create a clusterfuck of confusion by allowing random and anonymous persons to just run around all willy-nilly posting random articles and shouting insults at each other.

Zapped · 2021-09-13T19:58:48+00:00

Without your suggestion, I probably would have tried to fix an unfixable post instead of this re-do.

What do you mean by going deeper?

Node · 2021-09-13T19:55:46+00:00

The first point to note, if you want to get doxxed on the internet, is that presenting a persona that people would want to dox is fairly critical.

Act bizarrely, make outlandish claims, or try to piss people off. Your success rate will be much higher.

(yes, I see this is a month old, but am clicking 'context' from s/all/comments.)

Airbus320 · 2021-09-13T19:45:36+00:00

Who has the energy to engage with them, not me.

Node · 2021-09-13T19:41:55+00:00

Wonder if the ozone can be applied before washing, as with dirty clothes hanging in an enclosed space, then put into the washer for the mechanical removal. I don't have residue problems, but am going to do a hanging experiment next time I wash clothes.

(I have a few industrial ozone generators.)

For using ozone to clean clothing, I'm imagining setting the washer on a 'churn' setting, with a filtered pump spraying the washwater as a mist into an O3 chamber, which then drains back into the washer.

The O3 chamber would be a 20 - 30 gallon container fed by the O3 generator, with outgoing air forced through a wettable air filter. The filtered washwater would be pumped through a fine mist nozzle to maximize its O3 capture in the chamber. Then the water with the extra oxygen molecule would drain back into the washer to attack more unwanted contamination.

Sounds like a super fun project, but you might want to try a different type of soap/detergent first. Definitely use less, and maybe a scent-free version. Add a drop or so of essential oil if you miss the scent.

Node · 2021-09-13T19:41:03+00:00

Which ozone unit do you run? I have a Sonozaire 330A running in the back bedroom and bath right now. The 630A I use for the whole house. Also have a bunch of smaller units I don't use anymore.

Wonder if the ozone can be applied before washing, as with dirty clothes hanging in an enclosed space, then put into the washer for the mechanical removal. I don't have residue problems, but am going to do a hanging experiment next time I wash clothes.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-13T19:34:55+00:00

Since i worship satan. You shouldn't follow. You couldn't decide when i was ironic and when not.

johnnybravo · 2021-09-13T19:29:50+00:00

You mean, the people getting doxed get doxed because they use iphones? This seems interesting, do elaborate

Questionable · 2021-09-13T19:22:08+00:00

If you block people, you will grant them the freedom to wage one sided arguments behind your back. This will be at your expense.

~~^{Ĥ̅͛ǝ̮̺͕̲̰llo} ʍoɹlp' ^I,m Qnǝsʇᴉouɐqlǝ.̬̘̟ͅ~~

Node · 2021-09-13T18:56:12+00:00

Who is the 'he'?

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-13T18:38:35+00:00

Stop telling him. He is an idiot and sellout!

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-13T18:37:44+00:00

You are fishing for higher chemistry knowledge. So you are a fish.

I like fish.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-13T18:24:29+00:00

I really tried. But you are an idiot.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-13T18:21:44+00:00

When i stir the pot you couldn't know it.

That tactics are hidden is a part of my core.

You just are and will be an observer at your best.

socks · 2021-09-13T18:21:25+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQsNf-jool0

socks · 2021-09-13T18:12:51+00:00

Thank you. I am sorry - I don't know the answer to the question.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-13T18:10:13+00:00

They use I-Phones. Was one of my first lessons when i was in hacker school.

Nothing easier to hack than bunch of engineers.

Mabye not so easy, you still need some math.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-13T18:06:27+00:00

There is a crack in everything. That is where the light gets in. (Leonard Cohen)

Budget-song-budget · 2021-09-13T17:28:54+00:00

Thanks. Useful & worrying. Remember the Mod email saying, I'd been reported, for leaving a link, with my comment. But whilst he disagreed with the article, it didn't break any rules, so he'd approved it. In general I make comments, to find out something i don't know, or been asked. Usually any posts are made in good faith. Doesn't mean an accidental error couldn't happen.

Incidentally does Mother Jones back the people, or the status quo? Reason I ask is got email, demanding people sign petition regarding Chief justice Roberts. Whilst 1 who criticized said "libby" another also rejected it - his history says 2 parties = 1 agenda. So have to take him more seriously. Left him comment, to elicit info. That kind of "error" if it turns out to be so, yes does worry me.

ElifromtheBook · 2021-09-13T17:25:45+00:00

So you like to cozy up to frond-end guys.

Sad person you are.

Any real wisdom is hidden, you numb socketpuppet. Either behind experience (which /u/d3rr surely has) or just because people that could give it you just don't like you.

To be shared knowledge is. Given not.

socks · 2021-09-13T16:54:35+00:00

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/81q4/spam_update/

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-13T16:38:32+00:00

i must be chopped liver, lol.. you could recognize that it was me that redirected this conversation in a more positive direction, tho i definitely do recognize that zapped has a much smoother delivery than do i.

and here is a shortcoming... it is actually possible to take things a couple of levels deeper than what we have now.

Budget-song-budget · 2021-09-13T16:29:33+00:00

Sorry, new so enlighten? Have to.say though the Mods are impressive, human, and helpful.

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-13T16:19:34+00:00

my ideas are rarely the best, but it is my opinion that you might have asked something that would cause people to "want" to move in a positive direction, such as:

who has made the more positive contributions to this forum community?

thank you.

LarrySwinger2 · 2021-09-13T16:00:26+00:00

I nominate myself as lead pot stirrer.

Node · 2021-09-13T15:25:58+00:00

Lesdyxia.

Node · 2021-09-13T15:22:41+00:00

To stir the pot means to make unnecessary trouble, to agitate, to provoke. Someone who will stir the pot will often cause squabbles between others involved in an endeavor. He may stir the pot to destroy a project, to cause the project to turn out in his favor, or simply because he enjoys making trouble.

ENFPs do sometimes stir the pot, simply for the fun of seeing how things turn out. They like to really shake things up since they become bored so easily. ... ENFPs don't intend to really hurt anyone, they just want to shake things up a bit and put a little more spice into a situation.

You didn't use a poor choice of words. It's just that opinions of the meaning of "stir the pot" have been skewed towards negative meanings. Don't take unfounded opinions all that seriously, although it's good to be aware they exist, in the same way you'd want to be aware if, for example, most of your society begin believing they should wear masks for no legitimate reason they can articulate.

Try this more accurate definition, and check out the short article.

Deliberately provocative, yes, but not necessarily maliciously. Picture a pot of soup. A lot of ingredients have settled to the bottom, out of sight, until stirred. Metaphorically, a lot of issues/resentments/obligations can drop out of sight when nobody mentions them. One can “stir the pot” to bring issues to the surface, sometimes with malice, but sometimes merely to create awareness and [a]ffect change.

https://coworkinginsights.com/stir-the-pot/

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-13T15:19:19+00:00

the titanic is sinking and so many are running around on the decks insulting each other.

Popper · 2021-09-13T13:43:07+00:00

yeah why is he wasting his time with celebrity boxing matches on 9/11

Zapped · 2021-09-13T13:39:16+00:00

I agree. Without him, we wouldn't be having this conversation. A perfect example of not being very visible, but being very influential.

socks · 2021-09-13T12:21:42+00:00

I think there's nothing wrong with the question re. stir the pot, per my earlier note, and the new question is also a good approach.

socks · 2021-09-13T12:19:09+00:00

/u/d3rr (esp. the new mod arrangements, which seem to be working)

d3rr · 2021-09-13T11:58:17+00:00

You're fucked, choose a new hairstyle and live it

Zapped · 2021-09-13T11:56:12+00:00

The more exposed you are, the more reaction you'll receive from both sides.

Zapped · 2021-09-13T11:54:45+00:00

Yeah. This did not go in the direction I thought it would. It was a poor choice of words on my end. Let's try this again.

https://saidit.net/s/AskSaidIt/comments/8dn6/most_influential_users_of_saidit/

And, yes, I can't work a crowd, especially if I don't really know the crowd. My mistake. I guess I was the one who stirred the pot yesterday.

wendolynne · 2021-09-13T11:41:37+00:00

Dyslexia?

wendolynne · 2021-09-13T11:21:40+00:00

That's the way to do it! They are making it clear that unvaxxed are not welcome, and they should realize the economic impact of that position. Be firm with this commitment. People who lie about their vax status are disgraceful.

jet199 · 2021-09-13T07:22:42+00:00

It's the perfect choice of words ...

... because that's what he's doing.

Fun to see who takes the bait.

Noam_Chomsky · 2021-09-13T06:15:14+00:00

sock blocker.

GST893 · 2021-09-13T06:14:09+00:00

"Drag the discussion down.....waaaa.....waaaa.....waaaa!" Cry more pos shill.

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-13T05:37:31+00:00

all of this blocking nonsense is how infantile children behave..

how many times do we hear preschool children say "i am not talking to her/him any more"!!!

it is the same old song and dance.

and then there is the "let me tell you how many groups of people that i hate"!!!

again, preschool.

PastorJohnny · 2021-09-13T05:34:19+00:00

zapped,

i have always had an admiration for your gentle nature with people, but this post of yours has caused me to question the depth of your ability to work a crowd.

i wonder if "stir the pot" is really a good choice of words here.

JasonCarswell · 2021-09-13T03:47:25+00:00

Don't sweat it. I was just doubling down / justifying my stance on kerfuffles. I don't regret my activity on SaidIt but know of a few times some better choices and smoother communications would have helped - and some were doomed before starting.

One person's pot stirring is another's shit disturbing and another person's freedom fighting.

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