UN Secretary General Says “White Supremacy” Among Biggest Global Threats by Fitter_Happier in debatealtright

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They call anything they dislike White Supremacy. They even call things they're apathetic about White Supremacy for fun, just to fuck with people.

A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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It's not that I think race itself has no importance to this grand conspiracy, it's my belief that race is not necessary to pull it off.

At this point, you're just babbling.

While there is hatred against White people by the media, they are not exactly facing forced government obstacles to make their lives inferior.

Also, no one attempted to assassinate Fidel Castro, because Fidel Castro died of natural causes.

I don't think the comparison to dogs work. How do you breed out "free will" from a Man?

You go from lecturing that the supposed plans of elites to engineer more docile societies are "unscientific", and then cite a completely unscientific concept as a flaw in their plans.

We have to agree to disagree. Leftists probably view you the same way where they believe anyone on the right is completely unredeemable or they don't make positive contributions.

Yeah, this old canard. Two people accuse each other of murder. They must both be murderers. Or neither. It cannot possibly be the case that one is, in fact, a murderer. What would the centrist do then?

I guess a better analogy is progressivism vs conservatism.

It's the same analogy with the same flaws. Progressives get retroactively cast as the positive forces in all ways. Weird how NAMBLA is never described as a progressive organization.

Centrists get elected all the time.

When they do get elected, it's because they do as they're told when pressure is applied. See: Joe Biden. He's actually the perfect example of what "centrism" cashes out to: a senile old man who isn't in control of anything and doesn't mind that much because he'll benefit personally.

And the Western world is where both communism and fascism rose.

Stop seeking out debate with strangers over topics you don't understand and are frankly afraid of thinking about critically as an excuse for a social life. Go on a date or something.

A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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If that's your opinion, I'll respect it. My own personal opinion is there is a war waged by corporations on the natural environment, but it's not racial in origin.

Most people refuse to see the racial aspects of these movements (at least insofar as they relate to White people) because to do so feels icky and their friends will call them nazis and they don't want that.

If corporations are simply greedy, that's the kind of problem you can argue with your friends about. If corporations hate White people, or particularly White culture or history, then you're going to be a pariah among many of your friends if you talk about it, in many circles.

So, lo' and behold, people look very closely and discover that it has nothing to do with race at all. (Or if it does, the real victims are whoever is not White.) No matter how explicitly people attack or promote policies and cultures against White people and particularly White culture and history.

Bringing races together or even breeding them together still doesn't scientifically explain how the Elites get to control a group of people who will always be submissive.

And very docile domesticated animals sometimes bite people. But to deny there's been progress made in intentionally making more gentle, harmless dogs (once known as wolves) is simply wrong.

At the least, if there was serious anti-white hatred, I would expect to see some kind of reverse some Jim Crow or Apartheid used against White people.

There already is, expanded to include corporate action, which is no joke. Unless you're extremely docile. They don't really bother deplatforming White people who are completely inoffensive and in fact are afraid of talking frankly about anti-White hate, typically, unless they offend another great cultural taboo like criticize gays.

I absolutely agree that not all Leftists are truthfully and they can also be their own worst enemy.

No, I didn't say they're 'their own worst enemy'. I'm saying that they're malicious and dishonest. They're not seeking Utopia and, gosh darnit, just don't understand the harm they do. They pay lip service to the idea of 'justice' and mostly it's a way to lash out and punish people.

Civil rights, environment regulations, eradicating illiteracy. It's not all Hippie BS.

Putting aside how rotten half of those things are - civil rights as the modern left understands it are absurd - those weren't creations of liberals, except insofar as people look at history and go 'Oh I like that. Liberals did that.' A bit like how WWII is now, for idiots, 'Antifa versus DA FASH' and ignoring how the Allies were composed of literal unrepentant colonizers and guys who were adamantly opposed to racial integration, among other things.

That's correct. We also have multicultural cities that still enjoy relative levels of peace and the majority of its citizens get along.

"Other than the massive amount of racially charged riots we had during the summer, we get along just swell, fellas!" Or better yet, "Toronto has a high population of non-White people (Asians) and they don't have a lot of violent crime, so I don't understand why you can't have a similar culture in Detroit."

But then again, this is why politics needs to be open minded and balanced instead of echo chambers that force a Far-Left or Far-Right slant.

No one respects centrists, and no one will for a long time, because everyone has figured out that a key component of 'centrism' isn't a firm commitment to a belief (they'd be "extreme" then) but meekness and opportunism. Their ideology changes based on what's in vogue at the moment, and they reposition in reaction to both changing power structures (no matter how rapid or unjust) or outright threats.

It's why the left was able to roll over most institutions. Because centrism/being moderate is the norm among people, and those are precisely the people who always shut up and behave. Which is why the NFL itself featured an ad saying 'Everyone should be a centrist!'

The Dissident Right/WN obsesses too much over race-mixing. It's really not that big of a deal, IMO. by AltAlt in debatealtright

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It's bad optics when white men in the DR bitch about white women sleeping with blacks, like that Coal Fax website.

They don't bitch so much as laugh, and one of the reasons they laugh is because the statistics about bm/wf relationships in particular are absolutely insane. I'm not sure if you're aware of them but everything from single motherhood to tremendous abuse abounds, and isn't normally talked about because people are terrified of 'bad optics'. There comes a point where being concerned about optics is counterproductive, and this is one.

Those women don't give a flying fuck what you think.

Just incorrect. Women respond to social shaming and group judgment even more than men. Some people deserve to be mocked and ridiculed, and single women with black kids (and a black eye, normally) screaming about how men suck because none of them will marry her really needs some mockery. If it's just the alt-right doing it, that's not good enough, but frankly most people probably agree with what the alt-right is saying on this one.

And I say that as someone who doesn't care so much about the ideal cases. Clarence Thomas marrying a White woman doesn't keep me up at night. I'm frankly more concerned Rosie O'Donnell has kids.

A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored. by radicalcentrist in debatealtright

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For example, the most popular I've seen is that an elite group of people are deliberately forcing white people to intermarry with other racial groups, in order to create a subservient race who are suppose to be slaves or are mentally too "dumb" to ever rebel against the new world order.

That's a very specific claim which isn't as important as the main thrust: an intentional war on White people.

the slave owner dream.

The slave owner dream isn't of necessarily stupid people, but subservient people. I think the 'intentionally creating a race of low-IQ people' line is wrong - if anything I suspect a vastly more nihilistic attitude of the elites. But regardless, they want people who will obey, and accept all their moral dictates. Low-IQ may help with that, but it's not the end goal itself even under that suspicion.

So they have all the power to destroy themselves right now,

They don't, or at a minimum, they don't think they do. If they cut off access to health care and completely cut their funding overnight, you'd see a reaction. Macron has tons of power, but those Yellow Vest riots are a real concern, and that's over comparably minor changes.

Even if the nefarious reasons are right, how did the alt-right predict or guarantee that white oppression is something that must exist in the future as opposed to the idea that humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences?

There's plenty of ways to get over tribal differences and they all involve borders.

That doesn't mean I want to see White people go away but how does the fear that White people are going to be targeted coincide with the same Leftists who believe in eradicating suffering?

If you take leftists' words at face value, all I can say is you're being incredibly naive. The number of leftists who 'want to eradicate suffering' and who also practically orgasm at causing pain and misery to people who reject their moral beliefs in the most minimal sense is incredible. See: JK Rowling, who is on paper a leftist through and through, but she's a stick in the mud about 'trans women' being women, so now she - a billionaire with probably the most popular franchise in the world - is despised by a tremendous number of people.

Cuckservative in action by ShiversRussia2017 in debatealtright

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Doesn't seem wrong. There's a racial component to leftism, but in a lot of ways, the racial component is a proxy for political targeting. The multicultural, "anti-racist", anti-White leftist coalition will utterly hate black people and more who have the wrong politics, and think nothing of forcing their views on them.

That said, the pro-life movement is top heavy with women, wimps and grifters, and has been getting infiltrated for a while. So 'black genocide!' is in vogue, but if you talk about White genocide through abortion, people are horrified.

Three Grammy nominees decline their own nominations because they’re white by JuliusCaesar225 in debatealtright

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Being completely honest, I do not mind if White leftists are absolutely stomped into the fucking dirt.

That said, I know that this is all done for the same of setting an example for others, but really, I don't give a fuck about the Grammy's or any of these awards. Some Fellow White or brainwashed/cynical "entertainer" feigning self-immolation doesn't bother me, and I hope everyone who does that lives an impoverished life.

PREPARE FOR WAR: After Jan. 6th, expect all hell to break loose across America by TheJamesRocket in debatealtright

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I don't expect any major violence, but I do think we're hitting a point where a critical number of people in the US regard the government as illegitimate. Most people won't act on that in any big way, but when a lot of people have that dramatic a change of heart, it starts to impact the real world.

Which do you see as the greatest enemy: Jews, blacks or White women with tattoos? by Courbeaux in debatealtright

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White women with tattoos

Women do as they're told. As horrible and monstrous as they can be when acting on social/group pressures, nothing harmful ultimately originates with them.

Blacks

Their own worst enemies. On their own they're easily dealt with. The most intellectually dangerous blacks tend to be about as black as whatever Prince Harry married. The intellectually proficient heavily-black ones tend to be alienated from their own people.

Jews

They pose the greatest problem purely because of the sheer amount of terror anyone has about criticizing them openly, the influence they wield, and the ethnoreligious clannishness they display.

But 'greatest' doesn't mean 'only'. We're up to the throat in traitors and threats of various kinds. And - this is the hard one to get - sympathetic, reasonable people exist of multiple ethnicities and backgrounds too.

Ethiopian migrant who became symbol of integration in Italy killed on her goat farm by another migrant from Ghana by Soylent in debatealtright

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She's still a symbol of integration. Probably a more accurate one now.

Netflix has a new show called "Bridgerton" set in Victorian England. I decided to skim through a few episodes to see how blacked it was.... by JuliusCaesar225 in debatealtright

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Why can we never have hot Latinas diversify shows?

Because a tremendous amount of this schtick is spite. The goal is to make people upset, not make things palatable.

It's a bit like how wearing a mask and social distancing is treated as a tremendously important, life-or-death rule. But not so important that the goal is to make people who don't like these rules truly like them or feel comfortable with them. If people didn't mind wearing masks or socially distancing (and I'm OK with both, because I don't like most people anyway), it would defeat the purpose and appeal for many.

Same with shows like this. If it were palatable to more people, those making it would find it undesirable.

Something I don't understand by Courbeaux in debatealtright

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Why do white nationalists oppose any economic policy that helps poor people because it would disproportionately help blacks, yet don't support policies that harm billionaires even though that would disproportionately harm Jews?

Because you engage exclusively with figments of your imagination.

Fall of Islam in Iran: only 32% of Iranians are Muslims now by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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Not sure where the 32% number is coming from, but Iran, I recall, actually had a religious modernization program, complete with promotion of birth control. Basically like modern (ineffective, heretical) Christianity, with some similar results.

Old religion is what's needed. New religion has been what we've gotten since the Enlightenment, and it's failed.

What are examples of social constructs that are valuable or important in society? by marc_gee in debatealtright

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Social justice is a social construct.

"I Can't Keep It Up" | Last free speech site going down Christmas day by Node in news

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because there is such a long history of bigotry towards them

For no reason at all!

RICHARD SPENCER & ED DUTTON | Making Sense of Race | McSPENCER GROUP PODCAST | 2020-12-20 by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

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Didn't he come out as a Kyle Rittenhouse hater too?

I don't know if Spencer's an actual fed, but if he's not, he's the kind of guy feds would help out indirectly because he's such a useful idiot for their purposes.

If you were given complete control, what would the immigration policy in your country be? by AltAlt in debatealtright

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A complete moratorium on new immigration and a policy of encouraging black emigration to Africa, complete with payments and surrender of citizenship.

After permit approved for whites-only church, small Minnesota town insists it isn't racist. City leaders said if they had turned down Asatru Folk Assembly, they would have faced an expensive legal battle. by marc_gee in debatealtright

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Once again, it's this ideology destroying us and preventing any resistance to diversity and non-white immigration, not jews per se.

Anti-White ideology isn't really present in small-town USA. It's fear of powerful forces, many but not all of them either explicitly Jewish or backed by Jews, which motivates them.

I mean shit, look at the article: Larry Tribe. SPLC. Not exactly goytown. Or Browntown, for that matter.

I agree that shitty Whites - cowards or the brainwashed - are part of the problem, but at absolute most it's a problem in tandem with largely Jewish influences, and it's that influence which is absolutely, positively protected and forbidden from criticism. The moment that stigma dies, a lot of these problems become tractable to solve.

The Votes of Black Americans Should Count Twice by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

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The idea that blacks at large give a damn about equality is a laugh.

why are mainly rightwingers so into anti-vax conspiracies? by grocerymannn in debatealtright

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Yeah, STEM fields are often overfilled - turns out we can, in fact, have too many scientists. Especially when the "scientists" are just people with degrees that have been watered down.

The public perception of what is and isn't a scientist is also absurd.

And the fact is, scientists lie. They bullshit, they protect their reputations, they have their own philosophical and social projects. And yeah, things like the replication crisis don't get mentioned because if the public becomes skeptical of scientific claims or even science journalism, it can impact funding, which is all that matters for many of them.

I have little wonder that people are now finally saying "You know what, maybe these vaccines aren't trustworthy".

Assuming a Christian alt-right state comes to power, should we become a Theocracy? by Minedwe in ChristianRight

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They brought it on themselves. The number of clergy - even among supposed conservative Catholic stalwarts - who were able to call out James Martin for being the rodent he is has been minimal. A few did - I think Poprocki was one, there were others. But that was a good test case, and not many passed.

Assuming a Christian alt-right state comes to power, should we become a Theocracy? by Minedwe in ChristianRight

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Christians, Catholics in particular, tend to forget that 'separation of Church and State' was A) always a compromise, never a component of the faith itself, and B) was specifically a compromise between Christian sects in a Christian nation. Even Enlightenment Project America recognized God, divinity, and divine purpose from the outset. They may have kept things vague to not provoke sectarian disputes, but not so vague as to make one wonder just what broad faith united the nation.

Now we have idiot clergy and pastors wringing their hands saying 'Well we have to respect Satanism otherwise we'd be violating people's personal beliefs. Anyway, anyone who doesn't think racism is super important is a pariah and should be denied the right to use the market.'

Assuming a Christian alt-right state comes to power, should we become a Theocracy? by Minedwe in ChristianRight

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That is, should paganism and atheism be banned? Can they be banned, in your opinion?

I support them being delegitimized and never supported by the government or recognized as culturally integral. Are there any pagans around who aren't kidding and also aren't a clownshow?

Or, as a third option, do you believe in complete religious freeedom?

Absolutely not.

Do you have any sympathy for American soldiers who choose to fight for ZOG? by Courbeaux in debatealtright

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On a case by case basis, I can.

But you get too many guys like David French, who were JAGs or serving sloppy joes in a German cafeteria for a couple years, looking forward to dressing up in their uniforms and talking about how they served their country.

Frankly, I don't like non-right-wing people, and the idea that I'm duty-bound to spout "Thank you for your service, sir!" and act nice to Dan Crenshaw because he lost an eye is asinine. Largely the product of a decaying era that has been intentionally hijacked for other purposes.

why are mainly rightwingers so into anti-vax conspiracies? by grocerymannn in debatealtright

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Because being pro-scientist doesn't mean being pro-scientist. Scientists, especially in this age, are full of shit.

See the "scientific" response to mass protests out in public during a supposedly deadly pandemic: "Racism is a public health crisis too!"

See health officials, earlier in the year, insisting that blocking international travel was a terrible idea and in fact wearing a mask was a bad idea.

Science is doing just fine. Scientists have squandered their reputations.

Don't give in to leftist thought: Morality is our strength by Minedwe in debatealtright

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I once ran into a pagan who was a classical theist, so basically an actual Aristotilean. It was refreshing.

I wish there were more pagans like that.

Adolf Hitler enjoys a landslide election win to become administrator of a small district in Namibia by [deleted] in debatealtright

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Hitler dindu nuffin wrong.

Stonetoss - Tainted Love by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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People will notice that the one thing I always make sure to get up on this sub - as I did with /arc - is Stonetoss.

That's because, despite I'm fairly sure being an atheist, his social commentary on morals is typically witty and more in-line with Christian teaching than whatever most Christian media tends to talk about nowadays.

Black Lives Matter approval rating has gone from +22 to -5 with White people over the past couple months. by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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The public at large has no idea that MLK was a rapist, no.

This is like saying most people are aware of crime statistics and IQ data.

They're not.

Black Lives Matter approval rating has gone from +22 to -5 with White people over the past couple months. by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Just picked it up from this tweet.

I knew the initial poll was too high. It's gone from 'Well of course their lives matter, all lives do' to 'Yeah we know what that means, fuck off.'

Woman Who Punched Reader During Mass Identified, Not Facing Charges, Philadelphia Police Say by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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Black woman.

Father Gill addressed the criticism that people in the pews sat idly by while the attack played out.

“Many people are asking me what people didn’t jump up out of the pew, why people didn’t leave the sanctuary. I could speak for myself, if I was here, the way I’m built, I would have been there. I know that” Father Gill said. “Other people don’t feel free to do that, fear overcomes them. I think everyone can ask themselves the question: What would I have done? And the answers would be maybe similar to the people who were here in church or different, I’m not sure. I don’t want to second-guess anyone who was here yesterday.”

The fact that the priest is tongue-tied and can't really explain what should be done in a situation like this goes a long way towards explaining why it happened, and why people act the way they do.

Contrucci also said she wanted the incident to just die down and let the police do their work.

They did. She's not being charged, because she's black.

A spokesperson for Mayor Jim Kenney says “the mayor is disturbed by what appears to be an unprovoked act of violence in the Cathedral Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul during Sunday’s service. But it would be inappropriate to comment further as the matter is still being investigated by the police department.”

Black man shot while resisting arrest, on camera: riots, marches, denunciations, demands the cop be prosecuted, jailed.

White person assaulted on camera while doing nothing: we need more information before we can comment.

Justice Department Finds Yale Illegally Discriminates Against Asians and Whites in Undergraduate Admissions in Violation of Federal Civil-Rights Laws by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Looking at the headlines this is making, I am enjoying how 'whites and asians' becomes 'some applicants' in various places.

Do you guys think Donald will get assassinated if he loses the election? by TheCheebuMenace in debatealtright

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Never. That would run the risk of actually making people lose their minds and become uncontrollable. Trump has a cult of personality going on.

He'd more likely be arrested, or worse, forced to basically shit on his own supporters and say Black Lives Matter and America is a racist country or something as a demoralization campaign.

I can't believe leftists STILL deny that Antifa exists by [deleted] in debatealtright

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How can anyone genuinely believe this?

They don't. Why in the world do you think they do?

Leftists lie. They shamelessly lie, especially about what they believe, because they have figured out that most people make accommodations for sincere beliefs no matter how crazy they are.

It's why leftists constantly scream about how they "don't feel safe". Because they know that if they really seem to "not feel safe", then many people will try to accommodate them. And if the only thing that makes them "feel safe" is giving them whatever they want - banning a speaker, censoring ideas or criticism - oh well, it must be done.

It's why you can find them in blatant contradictions, correct them, and they go on repeating the same contradictory views.

What will be reaction of the alt lite, America first, racist liberals and le Classical liberals when Trump loses the election by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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It's the leadership line, and I think it's insincere. It's meant to pacify, and also to signal that they're "one of the good ones", which also means "one of the employable ones".

The base doesn't want this for the most part, which is why they elected an absolute bombthrower in 2015-2016, and Qanon - as gay as it is - is an extremely popular fantasy about Trump suddenly locking up tons of his political opponents for good.

On Secular Jews by [deleted] in debatealtright

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This begs the question, what is to be done with the Secular Jews?

I think the division between secular and zionist doesn't work. There's plenty of 'secular' Jews who are still hardcore zionists, not to mention, cultural poison.

How Safe Are Vaccines? ("there are risks" (Gill Bates is one) not about cure, but control) 14 min | RknMrE by Marginotions in debatealtright

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The vaccine debate is one I mostly ignore, because I don't care.

But I'm entirely sympathetic to the skepticism people have of academia and experts.

General thoughts on Joseph McCarthy? by MostBasedRedditor in debatealtright

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Largely correct, and also for the time, effective. Didn't go far enough.

What will be reaction of the alt lite, America first, racist liberals and le Classical liberals when Trump loses the election by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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No matter who wins in November, I think one thing is likely: the losing side will not consider the win legitimate. And for all purposes, they'll actually believe it and act as if they believe it.

I think the GOP will use an old approach here: 'Well the left may have won but you know what? The difference is that CONSERVATIVES don't WHINE or RIOT when we lose. We respect results!' And I don't think it's going to work this time. It's not new at this point for the left to act as if Republican officials are frauds who don't deserve legal respect. I think the change will be, if they lose, Republicans acting that way.

The twist is that if this is accurate, I'm not sure the elections will go off smoothly anyway. People have talked about the possibility that election results will be delayed for months, and that's possible. Which probably won't help matters, at least as far as 'everything proceeding normally' goes.

That, I think, is the real stick of dynamite. People won't just go "Well we lost, that sucks." They're going to deny that they lost. That won't be mere cope: they're going to believe it, and it's going to color everything they think about politically. Political figures, elected and appointed, will start openly defying people and daring the authorities to step in and force things.

If things get THAT far, it's over. People always say 'Then the military will come in and crush the rebellion!', but it's not going to be like that. It's not easy to crush a rebellion when the rebellion is that legislators ignore laws, or police stop enforcing laws. We're seeing that now. I know a typical reply is 'But if the RIGHT ever did that, they'd crush us!', but I think that's demonstrably false.

Woke Leftists Argue that 2+2=5 by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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Surely we can convince normies that these people are insane?

Part of the reason the left keeps advancing is that conservatives and the right in general try to convince people by argument, reason, and evidence, while the left belittles people, screams, and shuns.

Which works on everyone, including most conservatives, which is why gay marriage and Lady MAGA are now core aspects of 2020 conservatism.

Are there "sincere" Leftists? What do you make of them? by [deleted] in debatealtright

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But are some leftists genuine people who sincerely wish to see a more equitable, inclusive society, for example?

No.

Edit: This is a real common myth among conservatives in particular. "The left doesn't understand that their goals are actually counterproductive if they want fairness and justice!" Right. They don't care. The ones that are consistent quickly become weird fringe mavericks who are mostly known for getting into spats with leftists.

How do you respond to the “Whites deserve whatever harm comes their way” people? by justjoggin in debatealtright

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Enthusiastically agree, and talk about the various ways I'd punish white leftists and Jews for their crimes.

The unspoken assumption with just about anyone making that claim is that 'the kind of white people I have in mind' will be punished. Then again the assumption here is that this is white a ilberal saying it.

If it's anyone else, then bring up their people's past crimes and say they have it coming too.

So basically: with whites saying this, put their necks and those they care about on the visualized chopping block. With non-whites, make them defend their people's past monstrousness.

What do you care about more, your ethnic group or your race? by [deleted] in debatealtright

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I'm American, so I care about whites. That said, now and then I get suspicious of anglos. I'm slavic, but it seems like my slavic/blooded friends are instantly onboard with a lot of right-wing thought, while even the more conservative anglos are prone to massive sympathy and white guilt.

Zimbabwe signs billion-dollar deal to repay white farmers by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Pretty much. Though outward acknowledgment of debt to whites is a fascinating thing. I've seen headlines talking about blacks in Zimbabwe talking about how much they miss their last Rhodesian PM.

Not that that changes my mind on unity. Diversity is a weakness. But maybe if we're apart, terms of engagement can be better.

Unfortunately, I suspect the Chinese have other plans for Africa.

Zimbabwe signs billion-dollar deal to repay white farmers by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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It's funny that they'd like to pay them billions of dollars but the economy's so fucked they actually don't have that despite being a nation.

Zimbabwe signs billion-dollar deal to repay white farmers by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Rhodesia was an oppressive, apartheid state in steroids

My goodness. They were...... raciss????

Let me spell it out for you nice and slow, since it's about your speed: you're a transparent fake. Saying "Fellow White People" doesn't work with leftist Jews. You talking about "our ideology" doesn't work here.

Fuck along now back to your BLM protests and bulls or whatever it is your kind does.

Zimbabwe signs billion-dollar deal to repay white farmers by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Zimbabwe is already struggling financially,

That's their own fault, and who gives a shit?

The white race has no place in Africa,

They're being compensated for having been robbed of the spoils that were crafted from a nation they largely built.

Meanwhile, you as of six days ago:

I disagree, I believe African Americans should be awarded their owns states in the South.

Africa for the Africans, except for African Americans, who should be given American land. Let me guess: America actually belongs to blacks and "native Americans" and Americans should depart for Europe?

You are clearly full of shit, so kindly fuck off.

"Our ideology." indeed.

Concrete activism that any one of us can do. (Think Tank style post) by frodo-baggins in debatealtright

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Dymo Labeler.

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Cheap stickers.

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Good, simple graphics/slogans/mantras.

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Any surface that has some traffic and isn't near security cameras.

Be sure to wear your mask, sunglasses, hat, and inconspicuous clothing.

Zimbabwe signs billion-dollar deal to repay white farmers by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) — Zimbabwe’s government on Wednesday signed a deal with former white farmers to pay them billions of dollars in compensation roughly two decades after they lost their land in often violent invasions.

But because the government does not readily have the money, the farmers will be part of a team tasked with raising the cash.

About 4,000 farmers lost large swathes of land when Zimbabwe’s late leader Robert Mugabe launched the often-chaotic land reform program which he said was aimed at addressing colonial-era land inequities. White farmers had owned the majority of prime farmland. Agricultural land now belongs to the government.

As they say, "It's a good start."

Don't argue that white identity exists. Assert it. If someone denies it, don't debate - assert that 'being Jewish, black, or latinx' doesn't exist. by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Sure, let 'em. I ain't arguing, and I strongly suggest others don't either at this point. Not getting drawn into an argument over the existence of white people is the key here. If they want to agree Jews, blacks, and 'latinx' don't exist, that's on them.

That said, my experience is they won't do that. Or at least, you're not going to get that outside of a fringe debaters who are irrelevant. The same people who will say that 'white people' don't exist as a category would typically sooner swallow strychnine than says 'Jews' don't exist in a meaningful sense. Hence why you see this push to 'capitalize Black but not capitalize white' and the fact that some newspaper decided to capitalize White as well has led to absolute panic.

Don't argue that white identity exists. Assert it. If someone denies it, don't debate - assert that 'being Jewish, black, or latinx' doesn't exist. by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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Yep. It's the most faggoty of terms, and really, anyone who wants to go on offense in a debate would have a field day there.

Don't argue that white identity exists. Assert it. If someone denies it, don't debate - assert that 'being Jewish, black, or latinx' doesn't exist. by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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By playing along with their ideas rather than defending the facts they are denying, you put them in a position where they have to explain their insanity.

I'm saying something beyond that: to not argue with them at all. Not on this point.

It doesn't matter if their leftist is inconsistent. What matters is taking a stand, simply and clearly: treat the existence of white people as a given, and go on from there. If you really want to debate, then treat concession of that fact as a necessary precondition for there to be any debate at all.

Don't waste time chasing them around trying to point out the inconsistencies in their arguments. That matters vastly less. What matters is defiantly stating that white people exist, are being treated unfairly, that it's OK to be white.

In case the past couple months haven't made it abundantly clear, having a good argument matters way less than taking a bold stand, simple stand, acting like justice and righteousness is on your side, and not backing down. You can lose every 'debate' and still win the war if this attitude spreads.

Yelp: 60% of Temporarily Closed Restaurants Now Permanently Closed by Hockey_Sweater in ChristianRight

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I'd like to see more stats about that. Specifically how many are small family-owned/operated businesses versus business endeavors by someone who had a kitchen full of illegals.

Americans Say Blacks More Racist Than Whites, Hispanics, Asians by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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It's just more data, of whatever quality.

Sure, the results of the polls are skewed by all kinds of things: question bias, priming, etc. On the other hand, the way that people react to those things is data itself. It's rough stuff, getting opinion data on people who change their opinions so easily.

But still, funny results.

Americans Say Blacks More Racist Than Whites, Hispanics, Asians by yesofcoursenaturally in debatealtright

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A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 75% of American Adults think the term “racism” refers to any discrimination by people of one race against another. Just 15% say it refers only to discrimination by white people against minorities. These findings have changed little in surveys for the past several years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Eighteen percent (18%) say most white Americans are racist. But 25% believe most black Americans are racist. Fifteen percent (15%) think most Hispanic-Americans are racist, while nearly as many (13%) say the same of most Asian-Americans.

I know this site is for free speech and all but please cut the antisemitism and conspiracy theory bs from the front page. It's not a good look and is going to drive people away from trying the site. by Locke in SaidIt

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Most people who will be checking out Saidit are going to be people who were censored off other sites or left because those sites were censoring content they like. Seeing the sort of stuff they know gets censored everywhere else will encourage them.

Pompeo: C.C.P. 'Must Be Gleeful' over 1619 Project - Rioters Destroying Statues Believe Its 'False Doctrines' by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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Finally they're starting to talk about it.

Catholics express unending love, willingness to serve people who destroy their churches. Are shocked it keeps happening. by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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The group of around a hundred, led by Father John Currie, included parishioners, priests, nuns, and monks. They recited prayers in English, as well as Spanish, Portuguese, and Latin, and offered benevolent words to “the person or persons” responsible for the scorched statue, with Currie proclaiming at one point, “We love you, we forgive you, and we are here to serve and help you in any way you may need.”

This is not the example Christ set nor commanded, and the fact that this continues to be the mainstream depiction of Christianity - by Christians themselves - is nothing short of insane. It's as if they think the absolute pinnacle of the faith is being bludgeoned to death by a mob, and their response is, "I love you and forgive you. Please, may I get you something to drink? You look parched."

The worst part is, it's utterly insincere. The same people who preach ceaseless love and tolerance to anyone who would destroy their churches would be absolutely outraged and work to censor or destroy anyone who so much as made a joke calling someone a nigger. They are not acting out the convictions of their faith. They're following a script which they think makes them look pious and pure. They don't defend their churches because they think it would look bad to do so.

It's a nasty form of pride.

Man abused by his wife by calmbluejay in BiblicalSubmission

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Oh I just meant: he outright said that if he did anything, he would have been destroyed. He wasn't abused because he couldn't stop her, but because if he stopped her, the risk was high that he'd be punished for it.

I'm Catholic, but nevertheless, that's true. I'd add a caveat: to be Bible-centered, people have to read their Bible. All of it. And deal with it, including the parts they dislike.

It dawned on me at one point that many people who 'Read their Bible every day!' are reading the exact same handful of parts they like and make them feel good, usually uplifting parts. The parts of the Bible which grate on them or make them feel uneasy, they never read again.

Man abused by his wife by calmbluejay in BiblicalSubmission

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Sounds like a man abused by a system.

I'm tired of being told that I should want equality. by calmbluejay in BiblicalSubmission

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Congratulations, may you all prosper in Christ.

Why should I care about equality.

No one should. Not men, not women. It's all a ruse anyway.

Submission vs. Obedience by calmbluejay in BiblicalSubmission

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Alright, that makes sense.

Submission vs. Obedience by calmbluejay in BiblicalSubmission

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Can you give an example of something a husband may command of his wife that his wife would rightly refuse? And I mean the most bland, most-likely-to-happen of examples rather than extremes (like 'poison our child').

I'm curious how this would manifest, since I think this is the stickier part of submission.

Poland's conservative President Duda re-elected by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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I see that controversial 'let's drive all the LGBT people into the ocean' platform paid off.

Young White Mother Killed By Black Lives Matter Mob for Allegedly Saying ‘All Lives Matter,’ National Media Fully Ignores by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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If true, this shit has gone too far.

If the National Media ignores it, the right-wing media should not.

The new religions of the technological future by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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Christianity has all but merged with liberalism, Islam will eventually be crushed between the pincers of Western liberalism and Chinese technocracy. Hinduism and Buddhism are on their way out as well.

I wouldn't bet against Islam's staying power. So far, they are the only faith which has actually managed to desecularize, and that process seems to be continuing (see Indonesia.)

Western Christianity has been reduced to a near-nonentity. What remains of it in the mainstream is some shambling corpse.

That said, what you describe at the end sounds a lot like what I see coming out of the more serious trad/Catholic communities, which place a big emphasis on classical theism.

If Biden wins and hands amnesty to 22 million illegal aliens, how do you envision the next 8 years? by [deleted] in debatealtright

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Increasing violence towards journalists, and in fact, towards anyone with a camera. Eventually we're going to have an incident where some black person is recording a white person, accusing them of having committed some wrongthink, saying how they're going to post a video and ruin their life, and it's going to turn into evidence for a murder case. It will be reported on, and then quickly buried, because the amount of sympathy for the murderer will surprise and scare the establishment. It will still take place - women are a favorite target, and can't do much - but stupid people will make bad decisions about who and when to record, and the unspoken public attitude will become that anyone recording someone else without their consent is inviting violence. People will start to reason 'It's way better to be accused of outright violent assault with no video evidence than to be accused of racism on camera'.

Journalists in general will begin to avoid reporting 'live and on scene' or doing anything but highly controlled interviews because outbursts of violence will become routine. When they do show up, it will be with security. I'm convinced that the reason this event quickly fell out of the public eye is because, even in 2018, the idea that a bunch of people working for a newspaper got killed was less 'This is terrible!' and more 'Good', and journalists quickly realized they didn't want to fan that particular flame.

Capable whites in the US will increasingly become expats, and countries around the world will eventually realize there's money to be made in appealing to whites in particular. The waters will be tested on this front, but when 'Come to a place where people don't hate white people and in fact like them' pays off, it will become increasingly blatant. Offensively blatant, in fact, at least to the western media, who will try to stop, censor, or shut down such advertisements - partly because of how they (rightly) imagine it will impact the psyche of westerners.

Whites with fewer opportunities will be regarded as valuable commodities - by overseas, hostile actors. Russians, the Chinese, and who knows who else will see demoralized-yet-still-numerous whites as absolutely ripe for radicalization and destabilization of a strategic enemy. This is probably going to intensify once some kind of major military conflict flares up that requires a meaningful commitment of American troops, and hostility gets slightly hotter than they are right now. Not World War III, but something closer to the Iraq War in terms of US entanglements.

That in particular will be a major tipping point: when America commits itself to some kind of fresh international military conflict, and either falters, or it becomes clear they really have overextended. The moment something big happens - China makes a move for Taiwan, North Korea pushes a bit too far against South Korea, something that involves America flexing as much muscle as possible for show - I'm convinced some other actor is going to decide it's time to make THEIR move, reasoning that America can't manage two major conflicts at once. They will be correct.

That's how I see things playing out. And yeah, within the next 8 years. Buchanan suggested the US won't survive 2025. Pat's the closest thing we have to a modern prophet. I would not bet too much against his suspicions.

Trump signs White House Hispanic prosperity executive order. by literalotherkin in debatealtright

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I wouldn't mind this shit if he also talked about white people.

But no, we're the "silent majority".

Why White House Catholics are concerned about Trump’s Catholic tweets by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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It's the usual shitty Catholics who want to be on good terms with their local bishop and maybe meet the Pope, no matter how shitty he is.

The reason we're being censored isn't because our ideas are too unspeakably evil to showcase. It's because if people saw us, they'd know we aren't bad people who deserve to be mistreated. by WaltzRoommate in debatealtright

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Stop getting so hung up on off handed remarks by Uncle.

Who's hung up? I'm just honest. I'm sure slavs can be third position, but not all third positionists are nazis. No matter how similar they are.

Don't try and grovel with fake equality.

I never do - nothing I described was groveling. I'm just direct in what I believe, and I think every people should have their own nation. I do not lament the tremendous blackness of Ghana, or how utterly non-white Japan is. I don't think anyone on the right or far right does.

To users here who deny the holocaust, what are your arguments? by ayotollahsinIran in debatealtright

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I don't deny it, but I'm skeptical of the numbers and methods.

My reasons.

Seems rather convenient that the only 'death camps' liberated were all liberated by the Russians with a command structure top heavy with Jews.

Some of the earliest stories about elevators and jerk-off death-machines are absurd on their face.

The explanations about why death camps had fucking soccer teams and choirs and the like don't wash.

The intense focus on the killing of Jews specifically, pretending that Jewish deaths in any camp was especially egregious, is dishonest. The idea that 'Jews weren't killed for what they did, but for who they were, and that's why it's different' is bullshit, as any trip to Auschwitz will tell you, since the Poles make sure to show all the headlines about the Germans having it in for the Poles/slavs.

De-nazification was a massive cultural project, which arguably continues to this day, and the massive amount of lies and misrepresentation we see even where that is concerned is at least a point against the trustworthiness of the official depiction of all this.

I think any honest, no-holds-barred examination of 'the Holocaust' would radically alter our understanding of it, and this is not allowed, precisely because of the political capital it is perceived to grant.

Blackpilled makes an excellent video regarding the false hope of Tucker Carlson by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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Tucker's making points and taking stances practically no one else is in the mainstream media, having an actual positive impact, to great consternation. The guy's got faults, but I don't think these criticisms of him work.

Seems like an awful lot of focus on a throwaway line about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

The reason we're being censored isn't because our ideas are too unspeakably evil to showcase. It's because if people saw us, they'd know we aren't bad people who deserve to be mistreated. by WaltzRoommate in debatealtright

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I use 13/50 as a conversation ender with leftists, not a dialog point. When someone tells me about white supremacy and the horrors of cops killing unarmed blacks, 13/50 is my reply. They know what it means, and they won't engage it. Which is fine: I don't want to talk to diehard leftists.

Other people are honestly unaware of facts like that, and it may help them. Middle of the road sorts, conservative normies. It's easy to forget that outside of subs like this, those stats are practically unheard of. Leftists get tongue-tied when they try to explain how being poor is why blacks commit so many more rapes.

The reason we're being censored isn't because our ideas are too unspeakably evil to showcase. It's because if people saw us, they'd know we aren't bad people who deserve to be mistreated. by WaltzRoommate in debatealtright

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Yeah. I'm very sure it's intentional on their part. The more you say 'No, you're wrong', the more evidence you provide that no you're not out for genocide, the angrier they get. It's not about what you actually are saying, it's about what they need you to be saying to feel better or justified.

Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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All good. Really, I'm not a standard sort - I have my own views, and I disagree with some on the alt-right people about certain things. (I don't think it's all Jews, all the time - I just think it's enough Jews, organized, that people should be allowed to discuss it. I think there's plenty of shit whites too.)

Really, I think the biggest educator for this kind of thing is to look at Jewish publications sometimes. Haaretz, etc. Have a look at what Israeli Jews have to say about other Jews.

In fact, I can say that during the first round of Israeli elections with Netenyahu, watching what liberal Jews were saying about Israel was hilarious. It was basically everything you've ever heard a hardcore alt-rightist say: they're manipulative, they're racist, they're ethnosupremacists who don't give a shit about everyone else, they lie, they use the Holocaust to advance their politics, they dominate the media, they squelch any dissent as anti-semitic, etc. And this was the opinion of Jews. In fact, on reddit, I saw this sentiment coming from Jews who had previously gotten into nasty fights with me because of my 'anti-semitism' in r/Catholicism.

Fun times.

Anyway, take it at your own pace, be honest, keep reading and watching. Amazing how far that can take you, eh?

Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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I come from an aristocratic family and I know this IRL although I've never been so explicit/direct as you.

A principle and underappreciated value of anonymity is the ability to be honest and direct, not just with others, but with oneself. I overdo it at times - there's value in being diplomatic, and I can get too punchy, too quick - but I don't think many people understand the value of real honesty in expressing one's thoughts. A big risk of being subversive is subverting yourself in the process. Our habits determine what we are.

They're so sneaky and smart though. It's actually impressive.

The odd thing is, I think that reputation is overblown. What I dealt with wasn't brilliance, it was clumsiness. Consistently.

In fact, the funny thing i: I spent most of my life having very high opinions of orthodox Jews. I was and still am principally Catholic, I was a National Review reader (even if I picked up American Conservative at launch), American Spectator, etc. Ben Stein was, to me, the principle example of an orthodox Jew, and I thought he took some valorous stances - on pro-life issues, on Intelligent Design, etc. So I was predisposed to think well and highly of them.

Then I started talking to them personally. One on one.

Maybe it's the fact that I'd talk to Israeli Orthodox Jews. They seem way more mask-off, because they're so used to being around (and fighting) fellow Jews. Suddenly I've got guys shitting on Christ without provocation while I'm trying to be nice in conversation, talking openly about how 'I'd die for my atheist liberal Jewish brothers, and Europe has to pay for their crimes against us' and so on. It's not subtle.

That said, they can be crafty, but I don't think it comes across well in debate/interaction. They shine when they get to control the message, and it's one way: a book, a movie, a press release, a quote, a statement. Symbols. And that's where the right has to do its work.

Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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I screengrabbed and shared the conversation for one at the time - maybe I still have it somewhere. I used it as an example for the sub of what kind of bullshit people engage in.

And honestly: straightforward questions. What these guys would do was some kind of Jedi mind trick, where 'Look, I'm an orthodox Jew, I'm totally on your side, in fact most right-wing Jews totally agree with you about what you say, but the problem is you treat Jews as a collective and we're not. We're individuals. Bad Jews are just individuals, it's not a group. And besides, Jews are white, so of course we have an interest in how whites are treated.'

So I'd say, "Alright. So you reject anti-white hate? You reject talk of white privilege?" And the responses would be "Well, you see, a group should be able to be self-reflective. White privilege historically is a problem, whites have dominated some people, and you have to acknowledge that and talk about it. Some people are angry about those things, and they're not totally wrong."

I'd reply, "Alright. So you have no problem talking about Jewish privilege, the negative effects of Jews? Because you're grouping whites, and you said Jews are whites, so you're part of that conversation." And he'd say, no, Jews have never been part of that, we've been victims, we've been mistreated and excluded (Yes, this was more than once the same person who just got done telling me Jews are white so of course they're sympathetic to white issues.)"

This is when I'd tell them to fuck off and I hope their grandchildren all turn out like Saint Paul.

It was the cheapest neurolinguistic programming trick: someone says 'I'm on your side. You and me, we're allies. Now, here, do this, ally, to make me feel better. By the way I disagree with you about everything and you should change what you're saying but I'm on your side.'

Maybe it works on some people? Whoever falls for it really has to be wearing a football helmet while they eat their graham crackers and apple juice.

The reason we're being censored isn't because our ideas are too unspeakably evil to showcase. It's because if people saw us, they'd know we aren't bad people who deserve to be mistreated. by WaltzRoommate in debatealtright

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More than once on reddit and elsewhere, I've had conversations like this:

X: Yesofcoursenaturally is a nazi, he HATES POC and wants to gas them all.

Me: Nope. I'm a slav, so nazism makes little sense for me. And I don't hate POC. I just think nations function better homogeneously. I'm in favor of majority black, asian, etc nations.

X: You're LYING. You hate them and want to kill them. Admit it!

Me: No, I actually want everyone to prosper. Whites, black, asians. I actually intensely dislike white leftists way more than black right-wingers. If they were both drowning I'd rescue the black.

X: You want to KILL THEM ALL.

Me: No, I just said...

X: Admit it! ADMIT! For fuck's sake admit it, I would RESPECT you if you just SAID it! I KNOW you think it!

Me: Not at all what I think. You sure you don't just need me to be a secret monster to make yourself feel better?

Like, no shit, the most raw visceral hatred I've ever gotten has come from me wishing other people well. My most controversial views - slavery, at the time, was no great scandal where blacks were concerned, because blacks were in such a state of savagery that the comparatively brief time under Western rule was more boon than curse - just makes people stop talking to me. But if I give my honest views AND say that nevertheless I'd like to see blacks succeed (I just have zero responsibility for making that happen) and talking about aspects of, say... Ethiopian history/culture I think is admirable, they lose their goddamn minds.

Former Reddit CEO, Ellen Pao, Knew about Epstein Pedo ring - Said nothing. by scrubking in politics

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Her big problem seems to be how slighted she felt that she wasn't cool enough to fuck kids with everyone else.

What the bible says about a woman's submission. by AnniWishUWell in BiblicalSubmission

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Men that are demanding that their wives submit to them have not learned the right way to win them

The command was not 'submit to your husband, after he's engaged in some amount of effort which meets your satisfaction'.

Men should not even have to demand this, certainly not of a Christian wife. It should be expected, including by her community. The idea that he can only get submission if he 'wins' her is a reversal of the roles.

Women have a duty to their husbands as well as their family, and this needs to be emphasized. And it's not 'Make sure your husband stays on the righteous and Christian path, according to your own judgment!'

Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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I'm not sure who you think I think are 'resisting ZOG'. I'll watch the vid, but I'm under no delusions that Bannon or much of anyone else is doing anything but working within the confines and parameters they can, at best.

One thing people have to learn is that ZOG - and every other group - pivots. They change plans, they fall back to other strategies. Sometimes Jewish people throw their support behind something grudgingly, as a compromise.

Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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"they're allowed to be patriotic because they need to be a bulwark against Russia"

It goes way beyond patriotism in all of those countries, right down to resistance to LGBT ideology and more.

It's funny since I routinely hear that Jews totally control Russia too. Go figure.

Insofar as Hungary, Poland, etc, are friendly towards Zionists, I think that has more to do with American influence (and indirect Zionists) rather than internal Jews operating independently. If it wasn't for the US, I'm not sure how much of a shit they'd give.

What about the Jignats?

When I ran /arc on Reddit, I multiple times had orthodox Jews (probably the same guy a couple times) approach me, try to befriend me - me, on some small little quarantined sub - and talk about how they were on my side. Each and every time all I had to do was ask a few questions and it became clear how absolutely full of shit they were.

The point is: Jews will try to infiltrate and influence everything. Everything. It's a given. A fact of life.

Doesn't mean they succeed, and I don't think people always understand what success would look like. Getting people convinced that Jews are responsible for EVERYthing - even things they clearly aren't, or at least aren't alone with - undermines legitimate criticisms.

Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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There are some great elites historically, and even a few now, but the real point is that most people have very little say on who becomes elite. Short of a revolution, all anyone outside of that bubble can do is hope the ones who ascend are good people. And even in a revolution, the best you can determine is which elites disappear. Who takes their place is touchier.

Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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No they're not.

I see them resisting immigration and wokeness in Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia, etc. Leftist Jews don't seem to like them much at all.

Germany is heavily cucked, but apparently ZOG doesn't care so much if they buy oil from Russia.

Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large? by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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the West

It's probably going to require 'the West' changing and fracturing.

I have thought of paths to defeat the elite, but I wonder if there's any true will to do anything.

No elite ever get permanently defeated. You defeat plans, not elites. Elites always return. They're almost always terrible.

The only way to defeat the elite permanently is to escape them forever. The prospects get better the further Musk gets with his SpaceX project.

All this is happening because the wrong people won WW2. The ubermensch/ the messiah did come. His name was Adolf Hitler and the world killed him.

As much as I think Hitler made some good points, I'd think people should pause at the realization that slavs - which Hitler was no fan of - are pretty much the only ones having modern success stories, despite having Bolshevik and ideological control for an extended period.

We've got plenty of reason to have hope. A lot of people will be lost, on all sides. That's life.

Top 10 Black Slaveowners by iraelmossadreddit in history

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I say the hard r

Nigger. The word you're looking for is nigger.

This isn't reddit.

Also, that's an odd reaction to a post which just shows black slaveowners. I clicked on this expecting to see Stormfront style humor. It is just a list.

Texas Bishop Calls out ‘Dangerous’ Black Lives Matter Movement by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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Strickland has a lot more spine than most.

What subreddits do you think are going to be banned soon? by cloudrabbit in AskSaidIt

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/r/JordanPeterson at some point I suspect.

Heavily Armed “Black Militia” Call For Black Ethnostate: “We’ll Take Texas” by scrubking in politics

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Honestly, give them a black ethnostate. Sure. Not Texas, but hey, somewhere else.

Give them an ethnostate and money and wish them luck. Remove their citizenship and voting rights.

Just leave us alone.

Kanye West announces run for president in 2020 election by Drewski in politics

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I wish.

I've been hoping the BLM shit goes completely off the chain and results in a full-blown explicit BLM political party this cycle.

Watch white liberals go from 'black lives matter! white silence is violence!' to 'what the fuck are you nogs doing you're ruining everything!' in a heartbeat.

The world's tallest building in Dubai lit up in the American flag by [deleted] in pics

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It's a nice expression. Wish we did stuff like that here still.

What an irony.

Do you ever feel isolated in your interests vs. the mainstream popular content being pushed? by PencilPusher55 in AskSaidIt

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So I ask - Do you ever feel isolated or alone because of your interests vs. what is pushed in the popular main stream?

Not in any negative sense, but I'm pretty individualistic by nature. I do realize that what I like and will even tolerate is outside of most people's range.

Yet that content that explodes is the guy doing the commentary saying "bruh that paint job fire doe! Fuck I crashed bruh loloolol! bruh I drive like a boomer dooo!". I can't make this up.

When I browse for interesting/funny things on youtube, a tremendous amount of time I end up closiing the video immediately because the guy ends up pissing me off in under a second. Usually with some "zany" greeting or the like.

"Reaction videos" are a blight on humanity too.

Edit: I'll add, for all the horseshit on youtube, there's some great stuff.

Townsends is a good example. He has a 'gimmick' I guess, but he's tremendously soft-spoken and interesting, and seems to honestly enjoy not just "making content for youtube" but doing the very thing he likes, which happens to be figuring out what someone in the 1800s ate a bar or the like.

The Coding Train is run by a guy who I thought was a flat out flaming homosexual (he is not, even if he's a leftist SJW sort), and - while he definitely has a, uh, quirky personality, it's mostly an expression of his apparent legitimate love for what he covers.

I suppose the thing to keep in mind is a lot of people are idiots or children and so long as both are numerous, count on shit content being made.

Who do you want to win in the 2020 US election and why? What do you think the impact of Trump or Biden going forward will be for us? by [deleted] in debatealtright

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Depends on how the next few months go.

If Trump continues to try being the inoffensive civnat candidate, the best outcome would probably be President Trump with, somehow, a completely eviscerated GOP in both the house and the senate.

I think the left would move forward with a full blown coup to remove Trump from power no matter what he did, and that would possibly provoke the right to embrace, uh. "New ideas."

As the truth is revealed, instead of waking up, Whites go into a coma by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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'White' isn't an ideology. It's an identity. Insofar as it's connected to an ideology: it's connected to a tremendously successful one, which was directly responsible for America's historic success. It was a necessary compromise for a nation of European immigrants of diverse backgrounds and religions.

People thought that they could go beyond that European limit and expand the melting pot. Turns out there's limits to it. But the failure wasn't of the white identity, but the bizarre 'We're-all-Americans' multicultural identity people tried to replace it with.

As the truth is revealed, instead of waking up, Whites go into a coma by AFutureConcern in debatealtright

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I was naive. Instead of realizing that their very way of life is under attack, and that we were the reasonable ones who were right all along, they are now setting fire to their own institutions and saying they have to be decolonized and destroyed.

I think what's happening is the usual bit: white leftists are using blacks and 'black issues' as proxies to push their own, largely self-interested ideological agendas. Jews as well, but there's no denying there are white people involved with this, and what they're tearing down aren't "their own institutions", but white institutions they are ideologically opposed to.

If anything has changed, it's that the corporations (largely controlled by ideological leftists) have forcefully gone all-in with the BLM mantra. Normally, in events like these, you can count on the GOP to give some token pushback. But the GOP is entirely servile to corporations - period. They are tremendously reluctant to take to task even the most hostile or vile left-wing corporations, because at the end of the day, corporations not only make or break political campaigns, but provide opportunities for politicians after they exit "public service", as well as for their children.

For most people, coming to a novel realization is just not possible. They need to encounter an idea somehow, hopefully in a palatable form.

Which is exactly what corporations and activists have been trying to radically reduce access to for a while now.

So no, I think your assessment is wrong. When people go to war against 'whiteness', 99 out of 100 times, 'whiteness' just so happens to be the term they use for something they hate and have always hated and would continue to do so even if there wasn't a single black in existence. Blacks are an excuse, not the real reason they do what they're doing.

Is there anyone out there that kept in touch with the mod(s) of r/altrightchristian? I'd really like to see them make their way to saidit. by send_nasty_stuff in debatealtright

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I was here the moment the axe dropped. Before that, really.

Keeping things going.

Singing in houses of worship banned under new order from Newsom as pandemic worsens by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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Of course this is 100% about safety and health and has absolutely nothing to do with social conditioning whatsoever.

Worst of all, the bishops and priests will probably just go along with it. They'll be more upset at Catholics who defy it or express anger.

After all, isn't the entire point of modern mainstream Christianity to be subservient to the world, and passive aggressively snipe at anyone who would object?

Carmel church pastor calls Black Lives Matter organizers 'maggots and parasites' by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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~Finally, someone with fortitude. ~

Edit: Spoke too soon.

"It was not my intention to offend anyone," he wrote, "and I am sorry that my words have caused any hurt to anyone."

He continued on to say that all people are welcome in God's kingdom and the church must condemn bigotry, which is "a part of the fabric of our society."

"We must also be fully aware that there are those who would distort the Gospel for their own misguided purposes," Rothrock wrote. "People are afraid, as I pointed out, rather poorly I would admit, that there are those who feed on that fear to promote more fear and division."

I sometimes wonder if guys like these say what they do purely so they can be made an example out of.

Madison man whose arrest sparked night of violence in capital city is charged with extortion by feds by yesofcoursenaturally in ChristianRight

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Johnson entered another bar and allegedly asked for free food and drinks or else the bar would be "marked," according to the complaint.

"You don't want 600 people to come here and destroy your business and burn it down. The cops are on our side," according to the complaint, which included interviews with the bar owner about what Johnson allegedly said. "You notice that when you call them, nothing happens to us."

As the shittiest representatives of Christianity admonish us to very selectively "love our enemies", we should acknowledge who our enemies actually are, and exactly what they're doing.