A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored.

submitted by radicalcentristNational Centrism from (self.debatealtright)

Hey all. I'm looking for the alt-right's opinion on this question.

As my name implies, I can agree with the non-mainstream idea that major white populations are declining, whether deliberately or unintentionally. And the lack of attention to preserving an ethnic group is very much a bad thing.

However, I am very much in doubt if not straight up skeptical, to many conspiracy theories that try to explain this. For example, the most popular I've seen is that an elite group of people are deliberately forcing white people to intermarry with other racial groups, in order to create a subservient race who are suppose to be slaves or are mentally too "dumb" to ever rebel against the new world order. But this explanation can be quickly refuted.

  1. Plenty of mixed race or non-white nations already exist. An elite group can move to these countries right now and completely ignore the rest of the world yet the Elon Musks or Jeff Bezos still keep their feet planted in the West. Considering these mixed race nations are suppose to be the "future" of these White countries, it doesn't make sense as to why these Billionaires haven't already left and started living the slave owner dream.
  2. Trying to create a subservient race without also banning Asian/White or Jewish/White marriage is highly flawed. I never once heard opposition that the Elites desired a specific race mix to create their slave group. Even if we go by Racial IQ tables, there's still a huge gulf in intelligence between Native Africans and Native Australian Aboriginees, yet shouldn't we see Aboriginals being bred in mass given they would create the dumbest IQ slave group?
  3. The nefarious reasons behind White demographic change are hard to accept. Don't get me wrong, the Alt-right does make excellent points that there is media driven hatred towards Native White people. But I can't accept that Trudeau, or Merkel or Joe Biden have a secret agenda to punish their own skin color. Keep in mind that these same heads of state still promise billions in welfare to White people or they haven't cut off their access to health care. So they have all the power to destroy themselves right now, yet White people are living in the most prosperous time in human history, as opposed to being round up and being lead to the mixed race breeding farms.
  4. Even if the nefarious reasons are right, how did the alt-right predict or guarantee that white oppression is something that must exist in the future as opposed to the idea that humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences? I'll take the side of the liberals for a second and pretend that, the goal isn't White genocide but to make every Human happy? After all, a future where everyone is rich, everyone has health care, everyone has good education, what exactly becomes the purpose of hating skin color if the differences literally become about melanin? That doesn't mean I want to see White people go away but how does the fear that White people are going to be targeted coincide with the same Leftists who believe in eradicating suffering?

Edit: To expand upon this point, many of these same mixed race or third world countries are experiencing massive economic growth. It doesn't seem unrealistic there will be African or Asian countries with GDP's comparable to Europe in the future. Yet if there was a global effort to make everyone slaves, they should actually be stopping these mixed race nations from getting any better?

These are a lot of tough questions but I do look forward to your responses.

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[–]president_camacho 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (27 children)

Once again we have lots of apparent soylent/salos posts flooding the sub, with people posting with brand new alts with no post or comment history and soylent(blork3d) chiming in down in the comments.

Why the flurry of activity I dont know, maybe he just got done with his latest rehab stint.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yah it seems one of the usual trolls or possibly a new troll has joined the discussion. I give it 5/10 and lacking in any entertainment value. I'm moving on. These trolls are getting more weird.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

I don't know who that person is, nor do I believe I have anything in common with him/her. I'm being genuine and just want to hear a more in depth explanation behind "white genocide" other than "it's just real".

Again, I can accept that the demographic changes are a real thing and I'm not at all excited for it. But I can also understand why the media has labeled it as fringe if there's not enough evidence to back stuff like "breeding whites with other races to make a new slave group" despite it being pushed a lot by the same far-right circles.

Edit: I also brought up a very interesting point about the fact third world countries are experiencing higher rates of development than normal. Yet if Alt-right doctrine teaches that racial inferiority is consistent, then what's going to happen when the "low iq" people are no longer stupid or backwards?

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

. Yet if Alt-right doctrine teaches that racial inferiority is consistent, then what's going to happen when the "low iq" people are no longer stupid or backwards?

Celebration I would guess. If the brown retards finally figure shit out, they might stop moving to my pleasant white nation.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In that case, the Elites are moving far too slow with their anti-white agenda and they might not even live to see white demographics completely replaced.

It's a fact that poverty in Africa has been decreasing rapidly over the last decade, or that developing Asian countries like Thailand are quickly becoming new economic tech hubs. It doesn't mean immigration to the West will be 100% eliminated, but it's not like these backwards countries are actually going to stay that way forever.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yah the future is hard to predict. Things could slow down or speed up.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Global warming could speed things up. But if we're at that point, then every race is pretty much done for. On the contrary, the world experiencing a deadly viral pandemic has made immigration more difficult, not easier. Travel in general is down, and some countries are enforcing temporary bans to stop groups of people from moving.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Mark Potok of the SPLC literally has a chart in his office tracking the decline of white people.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What is this suppose to prove? It sounds pretty cringe but I don't think having a chart is proof you align with an evil conspiracy meant to physically harm a group of people.

Reminds me of how Saddam Hussein had a picture of the Twin Towers in his office. That wasn't proof he deserved to die or if he did 9/11.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It is when the SPLC's whole operations revolves around attacking white people.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did he refuse to attack White people before he had a chart? I don't understand how it plays a role in hurting a race. There are more violent black on white crimes throughout history that never once talked about population numbers...

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

They're not trying to create a race of brown slaves, they're trying to destroy their White nemesis. Biden et al are just traitorous puppets. I will give 1000:1 odds that Biden has so much kompromat on him he'd shoot his own mother.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Can you explain to me what's going to happen to the white children of the Elite? How do they fit into the conspiracy when they continue to give birth to new Caucasians instead of say... handing the role over to Africans?

Or will they follow in the footsteps of Nazi Germany and deliberately poison their kids, such was the case of Goebbels?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_children#Death

The above article sounds like actual white genocide to me. Hitler got all the whites together in his bunker and opted to kill them and then himself.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Rich Whites feel they have more in common with other rich people, but aren't hostile to poor Whites the same way Jews are, just indifferent. Rich Whites think their kids will always be elites living in gated communities.

You should listen to this interview posted in another thread. It addresses the various anti-White groups and their motivations and attitudes about White genocide/displacement. This is an excellent discussion by two old timer and well respected people in the DAR.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Rich Whites feel they have more in common with other rich people, but aren't hostile to poor Whites the same way Jews are, just indifferent. Rich Whites think their kids will always be elites living in gated communities.

If the Elite's declared the White Race to be their "nemesis" then they're clearly hostile to poor white people. Don't know what Jews have to do with this. Though I'm going to be honest, I still haven't been shown convincing evidence that Presidents and Prime Ministers actually care about any of this race stuff and that they've all turn rogue and want to physically harm white people.

They're Capitalists. Their empire can only survive when there's a constant flow of money. They're not going to kill themselves because Jews or Space Lizards tell them to. When the white demographic started to shift, it's only because immigration is far more profitable than white nationalism. Entire businesses literally exist to move people all across the world. Meanwhile what does white nationalism do to generate money? Nothing.

I think this is another reason why we can also forget about IQ and racial differences. Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos clearly have a developed interest in Space Research. If there's a whole bunch of Indian or Hispanic Scientists waiting to be adopted somewhere, they're not going to listen to White Nationalists who oppose bringing them into their borders. It once again comes down to profit. If you can't compete against the richest men in the world, race truly becomes meaningless. They'll ignore pleas of racial purity if it means they get to build a rocket and harvest minerals from space.

As for the creeping fear that a non-white America spells doom or South Africa/Brazil, it ignores that the American idea has been very successful with poaching talent across the world. Multicultural cities like New York or Seattle have far more power than all the white Hamlets scattered throughout the midwest. Race & IQ clearly wont matter when the entire world continues to pay America to access their services. You will only see the downfall of the U.S when another country invents something better than Capitalism, but who will that be, and who says that U.S military imperialism wont be the first to stop them?

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I don't care about the American Corporation, I care about the historically White American Nation. Those are completely different things. If you replaced all White Americans with Chinese the GDP would probably go up, but MY people would cease to be. Is this so fucking hard to fathom?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Without abandoning Capitalism, yes, it is hard to fathom keeping the U.S majority white. Sorry, but that's just the truth and the end game to "prosperity". Once you become richer than the rest of the world, human greed kicks in and the only goal is making even more money. Jeff Bezos didn't retire when he made his first $100. He's still on pace to go past $1 Trillion dollars. Same with Apple or Microsoft. But because the historical White populations have low birth rates, Capitalism demands immigration must immediately fix it. If not, the USA will fall and China takes over until they experience the same thing.

Ironically, the Alt-Rights only solution to this problem is they must vote to regulate Capitalism. But then you run into the problem of telling other White people they need to sacrifice their salaries which is something nobody wants because we're all greedy. We all want to be rich. And alternate models like Socialism clearly show flaws when we stop producing and start consuming. You eventually run out of money and starve...

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Without abandoning Capitalism, yes, it is hard to fathom keeping the U.S majority white.

Completely irrelevant. That's like saying without abandoning jazz, it's hard to fathom...

...and the only goal is making even more money.

For some, but the issue is the media. The media drives elections and public attitudes. Jews and wealthy have always known this and hence sought to control the media and squash free speech.

Capitalism demands immigration must immediately fix it. If not, the USA will fall and China takes over until they experience the same thing.

No, the US could easily isolate and impose "must buy American" rules. What would we fucking do if China declared war on the US, buy all our computer chips and planes from China?

Ironically, the Alt-Rights only solution to this problem is they must vote to regulate Capitalism.

This is straight from your ass. You're either ignorant or bad faith. Toodles.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

the most popular I've seen is that an elite group of people are deliberately forcing white people to intermarry with other racial groups, in order to create a subservient race

The main reasons for elites forcing third-world immigration and miscegenation are these

  1. To keep wages low

  2. Prevent labor from organizing against elites by introducing cross-cutting racial frictions and ensuring high supply of labor (unions are dead)

  3. Prevent populist native uprisings ("sure the elites are bad and blacks are more criminal - but we can't be racist! Not all x are like that")

  4. (For Jews esp ) Revenge for the holocaust and to prevent a second Hitler

The pro-race mixing globohomo propaganda is designed to make whites like other races and not see them as the threat they are, and the anti-white propaganda is to browbeat the higher-T, more ethnocentric whites into submission. While lowering the average IQ is a side effect, IMO the more important goal is just to disrupt any ethnic homogeneity native whites have so they don't organize

This sort of makes your first two points moot but I'll respond as I see fit

Plenty of mixed race or non-white nations already exist.

Most of these are in latin america and they are pretty corrupt already. The entire point of Hart-Cellar was to turn the US into Brazil and they have largely achieved this

An elite group can move to these countries right now

The elite class is international and taking over the US (24% world GDP) and stabilizing it against populist revolt was an essential goal, especially while Europe is still vastly white.

Trying to create a subservient race without also banning Asian/White or Jewish/White marriage is highly flawed.

East Asians are like 5% of the US population and Jews are on the side of the (largely Jewish) ruling class. So, 90% of the time a mixed race marriage we can expect will still lower IQ. Also the main goal of destroying whiteness is still acheived

The nefarious reasons behind White demographic change are hard to accept.

Why? It's ubiquitous

But I can't accept that Trudeau, or Merkel or Joe Biden have a secret agenda to punish their own skin color

Politicians are self-serving buttgoys who serve the ruling class and especially Jewish billionaires. Also don't refer to race as "skin color" if you want to be taken seriously. Just look at the actions or statements of Merkel or Trudeau and tell me they aren't anti-white and anti-natalist. Who is responsible for migrant rapes of natives or Sweden?

as opposed to being round up and being lead to the mixed race breeding farms.

You can't engage in outright totalitarianism and give away the shot and also not expect a reaction. That's why it's happening slowly and covertly

Even if the nefarious reasons are right

Now I just want to stop you right there - what is happening is already nefarious. The policies that are currently in place in Western countries are destroying white people, their countries, and their history. This is a crime against humanity, and is a genocide. The fact they are guilty of committing these crimes (or at best, guilty of gross negligence) is not contingent on establishing the reasons why they are doing it

opposed to the idea that humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences

What signs indicate this will happen? By and large, white people are not racist.

Whites identify with their race the least out of all groups.By contrast, blacks are racist, as are Hispanics and Muslims. The anti-white hatred is increasing, not decreasing.

How do we know when "racism" is over and we don't have to suffer this vitriolic propaganda and social conditioning? When will AA end? Especially when true equality is impossible, because of race and IQ differences (among others)? When will the Jewish media stop scapegoating and harassing white people?

Obviously, there are absolutely no indicators at all anti-white racism and policies will ever end. In short, your plan is bad and foolish, and white people should ignore people like you - lest they want to be abused and destroyed by other races in the countries they built

the goal isn't White genocide but to make every Human happy?

Ask Palestinians if they think that's what the goal of the US is

After all, a future where everyone is rich, everyone has health care, everyone has good education,

This will never happen because of race and IQ and our ongoing dysgenic collapse.

Yet if there was a global effort to make everyone slaves

Technological slavery is a real thing. They control the means of production and communication. That's how they could censor the president, deplatform parler, arrest all the capitol protestors, and why we are here on saidit and not reddit. You get jailed in the UK for tweets. Don't be an advocate for dystopia. I'd rather live on a small, ethnically homogeneous society beyond the reaches of evil globalist plutocrats than in a censorial globohomo international police state

literally become about melanin

"Race" is not about "melanin" levels and never was

These are a lot of tough questions

They weren't, but thanks for stopping by

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

The main reasons for elites forcing third-world immigration and miscegenation are these To keep wages low Prevent labor from organizing against elites by introducing cross-cutting racial frictions and ensuring high supply of labor (unions are dead) Prevent populist native uprisings ("sure the elites are bad and blacks are more criminal - but we can't be racist! Not all x are like that") (For Jews esp ) Revenge for the holocaust and to prevent a second Hitler The pro-race mixing globohomo propaganda is designed to make whites like other races and not see them as the threat they are, and the anti-white propaganda is to browbeat the higher-T, more ethnocentric whites into submission. While lowering the average IQ is a side effect, IMO the more important goal is just to disrupt any ethnic homogeneity native whites have so they don't organize

Black people were leading populist uprising the minute they were enslaved in the new world. Many other immigrants as well have backgrounds that stem from resistance. Hong Kong protestors? Cuban exiles? Syrian refugees? The Elite are actually creating their own worst enemy by bringing together the best fighers to stop them. As for Hitler coming back? He lead a genocidal war machine that killed millions of Europeans. It is not up to Jews to decide revenge, there already exist White people today who are ready to fight him again.

Most of these are in latin america and they are pretty corrupt already. The entire point of Hart-Cellar was to turn the US into Brazil and they have largely achieved this

Brazil had some pretty nasty dictatorships, backed by the USA. The two countries are not remotely similar.

The elite class is international and taking over the US (24% world GDP) and stabilizing it against populist revolt was an essential goal, especially while Europe is still vastly white.

What kind of revolt are we looking at here? Democracy and the constitution serve as the foundation of America. The only revolt we saw, was by Trump. And it was immediately crushed before he could replace Democracy with Tyrannical Fascism.

East Asians are like 5% of the US population and Jews are on the side of the (largely Jewish) ruling class. So, 90% of the time a mixed race marriage we can expect will still lower IQ. Also the main goal of destroying whiteness is still acheived

Why is it possible to mix with Jews at all? If I was a cunning Elite, I would ban such marriages if there was a conspiracy for us to rule the world. Yet Jews and Blacks or Whites and Jews are allowed to mix, and U.S law defends that. All this tells me is that Elites are going to be bred out and get replaced with someone else, funny enough.

Politicians are self-serving buttgoys who serve the ruling class and especially Jewish billionaires JPG . Also don't refer to race as "skin color" if you want to be taken seriously. Just look at the actions or statements of Merkel or Trudeau and tell me they aren't anti-white and anti-natalist. Who is responsible for migrant rapes of natives or Sweden?

Trudeau himself has white children and white wife. If he was committed to white genocide, he could go to Thailand and get himself a harem. I think the man can be crazy for a ton of reasons, but he hasn't demonstrated he wants to violently kill Canadians who are Caucasian. He is in fact, rewarding them. Compare the coronavirus deaths in the U.S and Canada, and White Canadians are being spared in huge numbers.

Now I just want to stop you right there - what is happening is already nefarious. The policies that are currently in place in Western countries are destroying white people, their countries, and their history. This is a crime against humanity, and is a genocide. The fact they are guilty of committing these crimes (or at best, guilty of gross negligence) is not contingent on establishing the reasons why they are doing it

White people voted for mass immigration. They did last year, and the year before that, and the decades before that. Do you want to call your own race nefarious? After all, they are the closest thing to flesh and blood, yet they went to the polls and made sure Trudeau or Biden got in office and not Richard Spencer, or William Pierce or David duke. Again, whites everywhere in the West are going to the ballot box and keep ticking off Liberal or Conservative only. There's no way they believe in harming themselves like some kind of child playing with matches. They're grown adults and can think for themselves. And if that's what they want, the majority of white people have clearly spoken.

What signs indicate this will happen?

[Racial] Slavery has been banned for a long time. So has Jim Crow, or Apartheid or racist laws that put white supremacy on a pillar while seeking to divide and conquer other groups. With no active movement to bring those back, human beings can start working together and hopefully create a better world that rewards merit.

How do we know when "racism" is over and we don't have to suffer this vitriolic propaganda and social conditioning?

Racism wont be over for a long time. But it's better than the previous alternative that tried to make genocide or hatred of non-white people socially acceptable. The world right now can at least breathe a sigh of relief that we get to enjoy peace vs watching Hitler 2.0 invade another country for his lebensraum.

Technological slavery is a real thing. They control the means of production and communication. That's how they could censor the president, deplatform parler, arrest all the capitol protestors, and why we are here on saidit and not reddit. You get jailed in the UK for tweets. Don't be an advocate for dystopia. I'd rather live on a small, ethnically homogeneous society beyond the reaches of evil globalist plutocrats than in a censorial globohomo international police state

Then we should stop worshipping technology, or treat it as tool meant to complete only important tasks. Twitter and Parler should not be your life. If you really care about white people, distance yourself from the internet and focus on replenishing the white birth rate. Just calling other non-white people genetically inferior or low IQ doesn't benefit anyone. Third world people are not going to go on the internet to learn how to hate themselves. They'll want valuable information and skills to make their nations more habitable.

"Race" is not about "melanin" levels and never was

It probably will be in the future. If America is even half as mixed or more immigrants move to the country and create successful ventures, blaming genetics for human failures wont have any substance.

[–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

White people voted for mass immigration. They did last year, and the year before that, and the decades before that. Do you want to call your own race nefarious? After all, they are the closest thing to flesh and blood, yet they went to the polls and made sure Trudeau or Biden got in office and not Richard Spencer, or William Pierce or David duke. Again, whites everywhere in the West are going to the ballot box and keep ticking off Liberal or Conservative only. There's no way they believe in harming themselves like some kind of child playing with matches. They're grown adults and can think for themselves. And if that's what they want, the majority of white people have clearly spoken.

Regardless of anything else, yes people do vote for things that harm themselves, their children, and society at large in great numbers.

[–]Nombre27 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

It's about dispossession. Democratic divide and conquer to plunder a country without going to war.

Why would the UN removed this?

https://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm

https://archive.vn/btW0S

I've heard other things like mass immigration to bring in more people for loans/debt.

Regarding a lot of trends, I've noticed atheism to socially isolate people from their family and communities, libertarianism to economically isolate people, feminism to isolate women from men and their husbands and families, and trans stuff to isolate children from their families. Probably more examples but you'll find a common denominator leading all these initiatives.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Thank you, now we're getting somewhere. I've definitely seen the UN source before, however, the Alt-Right needs to be careful labeling it as proof. For example, the very first paragraph clearly mentions Japan, and it later mentions South Korea. Both nations are non-white. The context behind that website is also not nefarious. It is a fact that many Western nations have rapidly aging populations with fewer new born babies to replace them with and that immigration is one solution to addressing this.

That does not mean you have to agree with such agenda. But replacement migration, as spelled out by the United Nations, is still not the same as "Evil Elite group seeks to punish Whites only". It actually seems to be a problem with Capitalism and Feminism. Compare South Korea and North Korea and despite being the same race, North Koreans still enjoy higher birth rates.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

No one is arguing that us white people are the only ones being fucked over by the elites, that's such a pathetic strawman. We are however, the only ones getting collectively targeted on the basis of our race and getting systematically replaced in our own countries by them. And even if they were targeting other races in the same way they're targeting us, how does this mean we should suddenly just give up our racial interests and let them fuck us over? Our love for our race isn't just based on being the focal point of hatred, although for many of us (myself included) that's what initially woke us up, it's because we actually want the best for our race regardless of how good or bad our situation is.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

OP is an alt from a known troll.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Judging by his most recent comments, you're probably right.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Lol he googled race war of 2012 and didnt find anything, checkmate.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In all seriousness though, I'd argue the "race war" (as in, attack on white people) started way earlier than 2012. It's hard to get an exact year, because (like with the Jewish subversion in general) it was more of a gradual development rather than a sudden change, but as far back as 1948 Truman desgregated the military, in the 1950s desegregation was pushed to the point where Eisenhower literally sent the military into Arkansas to slaughter white kids and their parents for refusing to attend school with black kids in 1954, and of course the 1965 Hart-Celler invasion act was a huge milestone in the history of anti-whiteness, so we know that the "race war" has technically already been started at least as early as 1948. The explicit, open attack on white people however, didn't start until years after 2012, I'd argue.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes definitely, its been ongoing for decades, but I mark the most recent offensive with the Treyvon Martin event of 2012, which was highly astroturfed and supported by an intentional campaign of false information by big media corps. Since then it has been on repeat with every dead negro they could muster until they went nuclear with george floyd. Parrellel to all of this has been the ongoing effort to shift the rules on racial language toward overt hostility toward whites, which really didnt ramp up until a few years later.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

No one is arguing that us white people are the only ones being fucked over by the elites, that's such a pathetic strawman. We are however, the only ones getting collectively targeted on the basis of our race and getting systematically replaced in our own countries by them. And even if they were targeting other races in the same way they're targeting us, how does this mean we should suddenly just give up our racial interests and let them fuck us over? Our love for our race isn't just based on being the focal point of hatred, although for many of us (myself included) that's what initially woke us up, it's because we actually want the best for our race regardless of how good or bad our situation is.

I agree there is nothing wrong with advocating for your own racial interests. But I cannot agree or find scientific evidence that white people are a specific target in replacement migration. The indigenous people of the Americas have been massively replaced, not because there was a Pilgrim conspiracy against them, but because there was huge amounts of profits to be made from settling their land and extracting the vast amounts of resources found in the new world.

Modern day Whites find themselves in a similar situation where Capitalism has a stronger say in which cultures thrive as opposed to the actual people living under it. If there was no profit to be made from immigration, then millions of non-whites would never have left their countries to come settle next to white people. But there is a huge incentive to move to the West and be a doctor, or CEO or Engineer. And as a result, the millions of people living crappy lives in India, China or Nigeria are exploiting that opportunity to become wealthy in the West.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You'll find no people here who deny the role capitalism plays in our current situation

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The European colonization of America has literally nothing to with the replacement migration agenda, those things are unrelated and literally centuries apart.

This anti-white leftist "white Americans are immigrants too" trope is so ridiculous. Europeans weren't immigrants to America, they conquered it and literally built every trace of civilization themselves. Without whites/Europeans "America" wouldn't exist to begin with. Literally the polar opposite of immigrating into a preexisting civilization more advanced than your home country and collecting welfare or taking low-skilled jobs.

This doesn't mean I support what happened to the Native Americans though. If I were in charge of the colonization of America and Manifest Destiny I definitely would've done things very differenty, supporting the rights, culture, dignity and survival of the Native Americans.

You're saying third worlders are attracted to white nations for economic reasons. What do you think the reason for this might be? Maybe because white people create superior types of civilization due to higher cognitive capabilities? You're quite proving our point about non-whites needing access to whites in order to do well. You're probably right about capitalism having a stronger say in which cultures thrive though.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

You're saying third worlders are attracted to white nations for economic reasons. What do you think the reason for this might be? Maybe because white people create superior types of civilization due to higher cognitive capabilities?

Perhaps when the USA was 80% white that was true. Otherwise, it has nothing to do with intelligence but opportunity. Plenty of the most successful cities in America are very much multicultural and are doing better than an all white town in Appalachia is.

And if you look at immigration patterns, America is getting more richer over time despite the fact White Americans are no longer the majority.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

This is such a bad-faith argument.

Are you familiar with South Africa? Blacks from the countries north of South Africa are pouring into South Africa like crazy (just like they did during Apartheid), because life is so much better in South Africa, even though South Africa is only 8% white and blacks are now in charge. You know why? Because white people built and entire civilization from scratch over there, from which the black majority is obviously still reaping the benefits. Not only that, the white minority also still forms the economic, intellectual and scientific backbone of South Africa, even though they aren't in charge anymore and get murdered by angry blacks all the time. Since Apartheid has been abolished, South Africa is rapidly going downhill though, but the legacy of the white minority is far from over. Under Apartheid, South Africa functioned like a European country because the white minority did all the thinking, technology, agriculture and decision-making while the low-skilled labor was filled up by the black majority. Without the excellence of its white population, South Africa would've been nothing, it would just be like any other sub-Saharan African country.

Now imagine this but with a 60% white population instead of an 8% white population. That's America.

Again proving my point about non-whites requiring access to white people in order to do well, be it a majority or a minority. We might as well accept this reality, and bring Western civilization to non-whites and make them prosper in their own countries, instead of bringing non-whites to Western civilization and dragging everything down with them.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Apartheid banned all non-whites from the government, while also forcibly moving their populations around or subjecting them to inferior services. It's beyond hypocritical to use that as an example when any tyrannical government that oppresses people leaves them worse off.

The Soviet Union was all White. Yet many Ukrainians were starved to death. Is that now proof Whites can't do anything right? The African country of Botswana even has a higher GDP per capita than Ukraine. It's a losing argument to suggest non-white people can never prosper despite their economies are continuing to grow year after year.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

More pilpul. No one is saying non-whites can never prosper and whites will always prosper. Imagine using "the best-performing African country does better than the worst-performing white country" as an argument and believing that's an own against white people. Still doesn't change the fact that most of Europe is rich while most of sub-Saharan Africa is shit, that there is a direct correlation between the black and white shares of a country's population and its HDI, and that there's a correlation between African territories having been more instensively colonized by white people and a higher level of prosperity and stability in said territories up to this very day. Now we're at it, Botswana was also colonized by Europe and has a very profitable mining industry (which wouldn't have existed without whitey).

Yes, of course there are exceptions because there are also internal inequalities between different white peoples and because of other circumstances. For example, after the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine, like Russia, got pillaged by oligarchs, and it has been entangled in a devastating war with Russia since 2014).

And the Soviet Union had famines because its brutal dictatorship (in which Jews had a huge role, mind you, especially in the early days of the Soviet Union) massacred all the Kulaks (the most competent and productive farmers), just like Mugabe deported and massacred all the white farmers and how the white farmers in South Africa are getting disenfranchised today, not because of a supposed lack of civilizational capabilities of Russians and Ukrainians. Russia and Ukraine could very well be propsperous countries if they didn't have parasitic ruling elites, just like Ukraine was until 1991.

Yet again, you've shown yourself to be full of shit.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

More pilpul. No one is saying non-whites can never prosper and whites will always prosper.

There is a strong narrative from the Alt-right that suggests genetics are destiny, or that genetics predicts the outcomes of civilizations (someone in this thread said it was white intelligence that made America wealthy for example). So it becomes contradictory to believe certain races are born less intelligent, but at the same time, we have evidence that clearly shows that even these heavily underdeveloped countries are still on pace to catch up with other Western ones.

And your comments on the Soviet Union reveal your hypocrisy. You would never say that East Germans or Polish people were stupid during their time under Communism. It is fact that oppression directly lead to these nations doing far worse than the more democratic and capitalist countries outside of the Soviet bloc. African countries were victims of colonization and multiple civil wars. It's not logical to think it's just inferior genes that cause them to lag behind. Any country that is not politically stable or ruled by dictatorships will have worse off living conditions. Or the fact that the USA itself directly sponsored some of these dictators or overthrow leaders they didn't like.

And the Soviet Union had famines because its brutal dictatorship (in which Jews had a huge role, mind you, especially in the early days of the Soviet Union) massacred all the Kulaks (the most competent and productive farmers), just like Mugabe deported and massacred all the white farmers and how the white farmers in South Africa are getting disenfranchised today, not because of a supposed lack of civilizational capabilities of Russians and Ukrainians. Russia and Ukraine could very well be propsperous countries if they didn't have parasitic ruling elites, just like Ukraine was until 1991.

Mugabe is not the king of black people. No more than Stalin was the king of Whites.

that there is a direct correlation between the black and white shares of a country's population and its HDI

Correlation does not imply causation. Once again, plenty of Communist European countries had far worse HDI. Are the Germans or Russians genetically inferior because of it?

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For example, the very first paragraph clearly mentions Japan, and it later mentions South Korea.

I think you ought to read it a bit more closely

Replacement Migration: Is It a Solution to Declining and Ageing Populations?

United Nations projections indicate that over the next 50 years, the populations of virtually all countries of Europe as well as Japan will face population decline and population ageing. The new challenges of declining and ageing populations will require comprehensive reassessments of many established policies and programmes, including those relating to international migration.

Focusing on these two striking and critical population trends, the report considers replacement migration for eight low-fertility countries (France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation, United Kingdom and United States) and two regions (Europe and the European Union). Replacement migration refers to the international migration that a country would need to offset population decline and population ageing resulting from low fertility and mortality rates.

This is repeated within the report itself (countries mentioned include: Japan and virtually all countries of Europe, Estonia, Bulgaria and Italy, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation, United Kingdom and United States, United States, European Union, Republic of Korea, Republic of Korea, France, the United Kingdom or the United States, Italy and Germany).

https://archive.vn/bDI5t

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Europe, compared to most regions of the world, are indeed suffering from an aging population with a low replacement rate. I don't think they're trying to be coy or deceptive. There is truth that immigration (of any kind) is meant to reverse this. Japan and South Korea fall under this umbrella. Their pension system will get destroyed when everyone is too old to work, but there's not enough young Japanese or Koreans to look after them. There is an argument to be made we could look into alternate ways to alleviate this. For example, robots could play a big role in taking care of the elderly at a reduced cost. But that all depends on how fast they can bring out that technology. Otherwise, the only solution is to import immigrations to slow down the collapse.

There's also the fact without immigration, these nations will lose their competitive edge. Capitalism and population growth are tied. If Japan or America shrink in demographics, it now means the next biggest country is closer to becoming #1. Again, the Alt-right can express disagreement for mass immigration, but understand there are scientific reasons for why it's affecting White nations that have nothing to do with a secret cabal trying to hurt them.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I have no idea what their motivations are and I don't really care to speculate. You'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to not notice the anti-white, pro butt bandit propaganda being forced into every aspect of your life and it's explicitly supported by the politicians you mentioned, both with their rhetoric and policy. What's the end goal of incompetant negros running my community or trannies teaching my kids or droves of homeless africans stealing my shit in Paris? Fuck if I know? I just know it's awful and I don't want anything to do with it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I have no idea what their motivations are and I don't really care to speculate.

I find that a little suspicious given every boogeyman throughout history had explicit motives, which is how any resistance was able to develop. China imprisons billions of people but the explanation is one about power and control. Same with the Soviet Union. A feckless group of Elites constantly genocided their own population multiple times, yet it can easily be chalked up to ideological failures and human greed.

But if the Alt-right wants to convince millions right now a certain race is being targeted for either extermination or replacement, then they're doing a poor PR job giving the reasons behind this. I mean think about it. Nobody wakes up in the morning just importing Africans or teaching kids to be gay. Are we suppose to believe that this Elite group has no free will like a robot? I want to hear the well researched evidence that motivates someone to do this or what makes it plausible to begin with.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not suggestioning they don't have motivations, I just don't know what they are. I agree, I wish we knew more about why the elites started a race war around 2012 and kept it going.

The Altright isnt going to convince millions of people about anything. The altright is almost nonexistent at this point. Only fringe lunatics are willing to publically oppose the current order People are going to have to figure it out another way.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm not suggestioning they don't have motivations, I just don't know what they are. I agree, I wish we knew more about why the elites started a race war around 2012 and kept it going. The Altright isnt going to convince millions of people about anything. The altright is almost nonexistent at this point. Only fringe lunatics are willing to publically oppose the current order People are going to have to figure it out another way.

See, this is what I mean. Where did you learn that a race war began in 2012? There are many wars happening on Earth, yet a race war (I'm assuming Whites vs everyone else?) should be the most publicized one?

Yet I bet I can find more concrete information about the war in Somalia vs the 2012 Racial War started by an elite? Again, I'm not trying to be a dick with these questions, I only wish if there are those in the Alt-Right who could back up their beliefs with substance. If that's not possible, then like you said, I can only assume it's all based on faith and hunch feelings.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Where did you learn that a race war began in 2012?

It's been all over the news for nearly a decade. Try googling Altright or Treyvon Martin or Ferguson or Colin Kapernick or take a knee or charlottesville or Qanon. It's been in the news a lot more than somalia.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

With all due respect, if you consider kneeling to be an act of war, then what do consider actual ethnic conflicts that have resulted in far more damage to be about?

Just my opinion, but you would think an Elite Group with unlimited resources could afford a more destructive agenda. Stalin had gulags, Hitler had the secret police. But Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates can only hire a football player to take down and breed out White America? Something doesn't add up...

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Are u familar with the terms propaganda and psychological operations? Did u also miss the race riots this summer or the deadly storming of the U.S. capitol building last month?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am familiar with propaganda, but I'm not familiar with how it has made life for any racial group (in the USA) more dangerous compared to any other time in history.

White people already had a far more deadlier body counts with the Civil War or the Two World Wars. Or in terms of racial violence, the 1960s were a lot more dangerous time to be white or black.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes I agree, the racial conflict we have seen over the last decade has been lower intensity than World War 2.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not sure I'd say the end goal is a 'slave race' which I think is an idea people get from reading Kalergie who did literally say he wanted a working caste of mix breed Blacks, North Africans and Europeans that, in his words, would resemble the population of 'Ancient Egypt' but ultimately I think the end goal for our elites is the humiliation, subjugation and replacement of the White populations in many countries. For the Jewish strand of the elite I think in many ways it's as simple as them wanting to create the conditions where White fascism cannot arise and harm them like it did in Europe. The White motivation is more difficult to fathom and obviously many just follow the dominant anti-White currents because it's personally advantageous to do so. Whites also, as many have noted, tend to be slightly more individualistic than other groups so may just not innately have the drive toward any kind of ethnocentric attitude hence the emergence of your Merkels, Trudeau's and and the millions of Whites who passionately agree with them.

I can't really say I know or even care to speculate about motives though. I can see what's happening around me and that's the most important part. Often people do write honestly about their motivations for what's happening to White people but some don't and guessing at what motivats them, in my opinion, is largely a waste of time.

I'll take the side of the liberals for a second and pretend that, the goal isn't White genocide but to make every Human happy?

I'll pretend that's some kind of joke.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OP is a troll.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not sure I'd say the end goal is a 'slave race' which I think is an idea people get from reading Kalergie who did literally say he wanted a working caste of mix breed Blacks, North Africans and Europeans that, in his words, would resemble the population of 'Ancient Egypt' but ultimately I think the end goal for our elites is the humiliation, subjugation and replacement of the White populations in many countries. For the Jewish strand of the elite I think in many ways it's as simple as them wanting to create the conditions where White fascism cannot arise and harm them like it did in Europe. The White motivation is more difficult to fathom and obviously many just follow the dominant anti-White currents because it's personally advantageous to do so. Whites also, as many have noted, tend to be slightly more individualistic than other groups so may just not innately have the drive toward any kind of ethnocentric attitude hence the emergence of your Merkels, Trudeau's and and the millions of Whites who passionately agree with them. I can't really say I know or even care to speculate about motives though. I can see what's happening around me and that's the most important part. Often people do write honestly about their motivations for what's happening to White people but some don't and guessing at what motivats them, in my opinion, is largely a waste of time.

Fascism didn't just hurt the Jews. By sheer death toll, it actually killed a lot more White Europeans and ironically, created the situations we see today where immigration is now needed to replace certain demographic numbers. And that's a good reason to explain why Alt-Right views can never be mainstream even amongst other White people.

No one wants another World War in the name of genetics.

I'll pretend that's some kind of joke.

I think Liberals are honest about creating a better world for everyone. The issue is when they believe we must spend every last dollar to achieve it, even knowing it might not work. Coronavirus is one example. Liberal leaders focused on saving lives even if it meant bankrupting businesses. Whereas Conservative leaders are the complete opposite (they saved businesses, but killed more people).

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I could type a detailed response to the gibberish you just posted but I won't bother. It's not worth it.

Be well.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But this explanation can be quickly refuted.

It literally cannot be refuted because it's bulletproof and all empirical evidence points towards it being the case. Look at the financial and power centres of the libtard empire. All the major cities like NY, LA, London etc, this exact same trend is 1:1 with South American cities too; the present we have in cities is multiracial deracination that they parasitise off of and the future they plan is the entire planet looking like their urban power centres currently do. Every single one of them tops the lists of wealth inequality, they just have a few jewish oligarchs running the show with goy oligarchs tagging along then a mass of completely dispossessed people who own nothing and rent everything; have no culture, traditions, religion or soul. They have literally nothing whilst the oligarchs have endless luxury parasitising off of their labour and they're completely unable to do anything because solidarity is impossible across racial lines, as Amazon leaks has confirmed. Anything happening on the microscale IE businesses intentionally diversifying their workforce to avoid worker solidarity/unionisation is also happening on the macroscale IE cities intentionally diversifying their population to avoid political solidarity.

1) The cities they live in already are diversified

2) The race mixing subservient single race thing is a little bit of a stretch but you don't even need a single race, the characteristics of this proposed new race already accurately describes diverse South America and Western cities.

3) That's exactly why it does make sense, the capitalist system would theoretically want everyone to be a libtard egalitarian who is raceblind like boomer GOP types are. The fact that the media actively does promote race mixing of whites as well as hiding crimes committed on whites and amplifying rare interracial crimes (most the time they are literally fictional too IE self defence or media just straight up lying like George Floyd) of whites. As for these white people in power they're just figure heads, the people in the NGOs, media, etc are pushing the anti-white stuff. They're just told they're accepting X immigrants and paid and they just do it, don't fall into the trap of thinking prime ministers and presidents are autocratic or even have a meaningful voice. The ADL for example controls the Dems, GOP and FBI, Johnathan Greenblatt is more powerful than Joe Biden, Merkel, Trudeau etc.

4) If the jews are still in power then racial hatred of whites will continue.

Edit: Who is benefiting from the 'growth'? Pedro and Juan or Shmueli and David?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It literally cannot be refuted because it's bulletproof and all empirical evidence points towards it being the case. Look at the financial and power centres of the libtard empire. All the major cities like NY, LA, London etc, this exact same trend is 1:1 with South American cities too; the present we have in cities is multiracial deracination that they parasitise off of and the future they plan is the entire planet looking like their urban power centres currently do. Every single one of them tops the lists of wealth inequality, they just have a few jewish oligarchs running the show with goy oligarchs tagging along then a mass of completely dispossessed people who own nothing and rent everything;

To be honest, that's not a great rebuttal. You seem to focus on the ultra billionaires but ignore there are thousands if not millions of every day people who have above standard of living or great wages? There's a reason new immigrants want to move to these cities and it's not because they desire to live on the streets and beg for food. Meanwhile, I already explained there are already 100% white neighborhoods in the USA that are dramatically poorer or have worse public services than what you can find in London or New York.

If your disagreement is based on urban vs suburban culture, there's a reasonable argument to be made there should be a balance. But blaming the growth of cities on race is inaccurate. Most young people or aspiring professionals are attracted to the city life because it for a fact offers them more entertainment or opportunities.

2) The race mixing subservient single race thing is a little bit of a stretch but you don't even need a single race, the characteristics of this proposed new race already accurately describes diverse South America and Western cities.

What is your definition that these people are subservient? It's possible living in a city creates a hivemind, but to act like they have no control over the situation is based on what exactly? And what makes them more subservient that an ultra religious community who votes Conservative every election?

3) That's exactly why it does make sense, the capitalist system would theoretically want everyone to be a libtard egalitarian who is raceblind like boomer GOP types are. The fact that the media actively does promote race mixing of whites as well as hiding crimes committed on whites and amplifying rare interracial crimes (most the time they are literally fictional too IE self defence or media just straight up lying like George Floyd) of whites.

Well there's race mixing going on with everyone. I see Black/White pairings brought up but how do you explain White/Asian as well? I will believe your conspiracy if you can show me a leaked hollywood document or something that says something like "do not race mix black people and Jews. You will be fired". In fact, what if I made a movie or cartoon series about that? Can you expect me to disappear in the next 3 months?

4) If the jews are still in power then racial hatred of whites will continue.

Jews are outnumbered by the Whites who vote for the stuff you dislike. Sorry buddy, but it's true. Bernie Sanders was literally the perfect cartoon villain that fits the Alt-rights message and yet he lost two times to two different White people. There's nothing in the conspiracy angle to explain this.

Edit: Who is benefiting from the 'growth'? Pedro and Juan or Shmueli and David?

Probably Pedro and Juan. Especially if we believe the IQ tables that say they were born retarded, yet they get to experience a rich lifestyle that was never once thought possible. If the Jews are benefitting, why would they be ok with sharing the same 1st world services with the underlings? Rising standards of livings means these once poor off people are getting to go to better schools and educate themselves until they too can become part of the 1%.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

1) Not even responding to anything I said.

2) Subservient means don't threaten anyone with power politically or economically, pretty self explanatory. I literally explained it already, diversity is a weapon to break up political and economic solidarity. Workers in diverse workplaces don't unionise, diverse neighbours don't have any solidarity. Not only this but city planning, suburbs etc are designed to atomise people and destroy community, along with anti-religious measures to break up communities. Read Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam and The Slaughter of Cities by E Michael Jones.

3) What the fuck are you talking about? Does the media EVER run a story of blacks who have committed crimes on whites? No, except when they're defending a black who gets the death penalty for torturing and then burning white people alive. There's a CLEAR double standard. Also your posts get removed from social media if you promote jewish women with black men so it's pretty clear they absolutely do recognise what they're doing when they promote race mixing.

4) Voting doesn't matter, power does. Vote for Hillary or Trump and you get the same shit, Trump or Biden and you get the same shit. Stop pretending voting means anything I literally already mentioned how the ADL is more powerful than the parties yet you still come spouting nonsense which you know is nonsense.

5) Just lol, yes workers are the people who benefit from being enslaved by capitalism and not the capitalists. Also lol at this bullshit about opportunities, meritocracy and raising standards of living. These things were literally a laughing stock and recognised as cant and humbug a hundred years ago, don't even pretend you believe in them now.

I'm not responding to you again because it's clear you're either a troll or the stupidest person on the planet. Either way I'm done with you.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

1) Not even responding to anything I said.

You seem to have an issue with the cities vs suburban divide, which is an ok opinion to have. But that has nothing to do with race or forcing races to live among Whites. White people are still moving to these mega cities that you hate. Think about that for a second. They're doing it for the opportunities and wealth they promise. Otherwise, they're free to go live next to the Amish in their lilly white circles.

2) Subservient means don't threaten anyone with power politically or economically, pretty self explanatory. I literally explained it already, diversity is a weapon to break up political and economic solidarity. Workers in diverse workplaces don't unionise, diverse neighbours don't have any solidarity. Not only this but city planning, suburbs etc are designed to atomise people and destroy community, along with anti-religious measures to break up communities. Read Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam and The Slaughter of Cities by E Michael Jones.

Then these Liberals or cities you speak of are not subservient. For example, we just saw a massive summer protest against the police. That literally contradicts the idea of a slave-like population who are just happy to be stepped on or in the case of black people, don't want to be shot for having a different skin color.

diverse neighbours don't have any solidarity

Ok, that is blatantly false. The protests against police brutality has received multicultural support. Blacks, Whites, Jews, Asians. They all stand in solidarity against watching the police slaughter innocents. I can't think of another major group in the USA who are in favor of police brutality?

3) What the fuck are you talking about? Does the media EVER run a story of blacks who have committed crimes on whites?

Yes, the trial of OJ Simpson. Probably the biggest or most covered story of the 1990s.

Also your posts get removed from social media if you promote jewish women with black men so it's pretty clear they absolutely do recognise what they're doing when they promote race mixing.

So if I start a twitter account today that promotes or advertises Jewish and Black dating services, it will be banned? How much do you want to bet it will be gone by tomorrow?

4) Voting doesn't matter, power does. Vote for Hillary or Trump and you get the same shit, Trump or Biden and you get the same shit. Stop pretending voting means anything I literally already mentioned how the ADL is more powerful than the parties yet you still come spouting nonsense which you know is nonsense.

Bernie was the biggest Jew ever. He even promised to take oath on the Torah if he was elected. How can there be this big kosher conspiracy when Biden/Trump got into the oval office before a Jew whose title is literally "democratic socialism" got booted out? That tells me voting DOES matter. Jews don't have any power if they can't even get Socialist Bernie elected two times.

He didn't even get offered a role of VICE PRESIDENT. A white guy and a Black/Indian Woman got it before him. It's more logical to assume India has a stronger control of the US then the Hebrews.

5) Just lol, yes workers are the people who benefit from being enslaved by capitalism and not the capitalists.

Capitalism at least gave Pedro and Juan a roof over their head and infinite amounts of food to engorge themselves. If they vote for Socialism, it's literally a genocide of non-white people. I guess you can understand why Capitalism has become popular. Non-whites feel liberated being able to go to school and becoming rich, instead of having a tyrannical government to push them around and tell them they are genetic failures.

[–]Dashing-Dove 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Whether or not there is collusion among world leaders to intentionally reduce the white population is irrelevant to the fact of demographic change, and that they're actively supporting that end through their immigration policies and widespread anti-white demoralization attempts. My own belief is that selfish motives are at work when hatred isn't. Leaving aside the hate, leftist politicians benefit by importing minorities, because their votes are predictable, and corporations receive an influx of cheaper labor for manual purposes or even highly specialized tech roles. It keeps the system churning for those who reap the rewards and can insulate themselves from the negative effects.

Suppressing white identity also weakens the social fabric, atomizes people, and encourages them to indulge in mindless consumerism while offering little objection to increasingly predatory profiteering and worsening wealth gaps. There's less resistance all around, more confusion and chaos, and those who already have a winning hand can hold onto it all the better when populist threats to their power are minimized. Also keep in mind that the left speaks in moral language, and they hold their disparate identity blocs together by constantly presenting a convenient enemy; the white male, the chosen sacrificial lamb whose blood and tears must flow for justice and equity. It's a smokescreen while money changes hands behind closed doors and the brown masses receive just enough welfare to stay on the plantation. They're keeping this sham rolling as long as possible before the guillotines are inevitably constructed, at which point they'll flee to the next victim nation if they can't successfully avoid a collapse or shift the blame for it elsewhere.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Suppressing white identity also weakens the social fabric, atomizes people, and encourages them to indulge in mindless consumerism while offering little objection to increasingly predatory profiteering and worsening wealth gaps.

The biggest retail giant (Walmart) once tried to enter the Brazillian market and failed. The claim that it's all non-white people who are just consumerist zombies looks incredibly flawed, especially when the USA itself represents Capitalism central, but a non-white country like Cuba is controlled by Socialism and even physically limits what Cubans are allowed to own.

Leaving aside the hate, leftist politicians benefit by importing minorities, because their votes are predictable, and corporations receive an influx of cheaper labor for manual purposes or even highly specialized tech roles. It keeps the system churning for those who reap the rewards and can insulate themselves from the negative effects.

This is 100% correct but it's not a conspiracy. That's literally what Capitalism exists to do. It's more profitable to import the smartest minds from all over the world and bring them to the USA where they can make the country richer. Since China and India have bigger populations, it follows that pattern of non-white people eventually becoming the new majority.

They're keeping this sham rolling as long as possible before the guillotines are inevitably constructed, at which point they'll flee to the next victim nation if they can't successfully avoid a collapse or shift the blame for it elsewhere.

Wait, what are the guillotines for? Or why do they have to leave the USA or any Western country when they just made them prosperous? I explained to another guy already that if the Elites really hated White people, they can go live in Brazil right now and oppress the tiny minority that still exists.

[–]Dashing-Dove 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Walmart has no prestige in Brazil. You'll find plenty of Brazilians who travel by plane and bring back suitcases full of American-branded merchandise, for themselves or for resale. That's irrelevant though, and you misunderstood. Everyone is vulnerable to empty consumerism when there's a void where community should be. Worse is that suppressing the racial identity divides and disables, preventing political traction to combat predators in business and finance. It blinds us to the notion of blood and soil. We don't have fully unrestrained capitalism, but yes, government is in bed with corporations that demand the best in each role they need - for the cheapest price. In other words, hire overseas and screw the natives.

Nationalist populism is an enemy that could force them to treat existing citizens better if they want access to its market. Yet, guess what happens when that market isn't worth enough for them to care, or if they can buy off the politicians and the populace is too distracted to hold them to account? That nation loses all leverage. Now, if the populace does rise up and accurately identifies the traitors in their midst, and some of them choose a violent solution, that would prompt elites fleeing. It's happened throughout history, and some among them have large noses even if they don't deserve the full blame for our situation in the west. As it stands, no one is lifting a finger except by ineffectual protests and minor rioting.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

However, I am very much in doubt if not straight up skeptical, to many conspiracy theories that try to explain this. For example, the most popular I've seen is that an elite group of people are deliberately forcing white people to intermarry with other racial groups, in order to create a subservient race who are suppose to be slaves or are mentally too "dumb" to ever rebel against the new world order. But this explanation can be quickly refuted.

I agree that this is not their motivation but you got few things wrong there.

Even if the nefarious reasons are right, how did the alt-right predict or guarantee that white oppression is something that must exist in the future as opposed to the idea that humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences?

Humans never got over their tribal differences in the entire existence of humanity. And given how extremely ethnocentric non-whites are I don't suppose it will change any time soon.

I'll take the side of the liberals for a second and pretend that, the goal isn't White genocide but to make every Human happy? After all, a future where everyone is rich, everyone has health care, everyone has good education, what exactly becomes the purpose of hating skin color if the differences literally become about melanin? That doesn't mean I want to see White people go away but how does the fear that White people are going to be targeted coincide with the same Leftists who believe in eradicating suffering?

Yes, leftists ideology is full of nice-sounding words but that's never what it is in practice. Just look at what policies they support. Discrimination against whites and asians in universities and job market out of naive belief that it will help black people. Wealth redistribution from whites to blacks due slavery that ended in 19th century. How does this eradicate suffering? How does that make every human happy?

You may remember Richard Spencer's "peaceful ethnic cleansing". Do you think it would be peaceful just because it says so? Look at people's actions not their abstract ideals.

To expand upon this point, many of these same mixed race or third world countries are experiencing massive economic growth. It doesn't seem unrealistic there will be African or Asian countries with GDP's comparable to Europe in the future.

In economy, this is known as "advantage of backwardness". Developing countries have larger economic growth than developed countries because they can quickly and less riskily adopt technologies, methods of production, and management techniques that have been developed in advanced countries. This won't however hold on indefinitely and they will never match Europe in GDP.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Humans never got over their tribal differences in the entire existence of humanity. And given how extremely ethnocentric non-whites are JPG I don't suppose it will change any time soon.

Europe use to be an extremely violent continent. The Romans would invade someone, the Vikings would invade someone, Napoleon would invade someone, the British would invade someone, Hitler would invade someone. Today? Germans and French can meet at the border and hold hands peacefully. How do you explain that if tribalness is hard coded in our genes?

Similarly, in the USA, we see more peace among the races. President Biden is White, the Vice President is a Woman, Black & Indian. It's almost been a full month since they have been in power and yet there is no Civil War demanding the races must perish violently.

Yes, leftists ideology is full of nice-sounding words but that's never what it is in practice. Just look at what policies they support. Discrimination against whites and asians in universities and job market out of naive belief that it will help black people. Wealth redistribution from whites to blacks due slavery that ended in 19th century. How does this eradicate suffering? How does that make every human happy? You may remember Richard Spencer's "peaceful ethnic cleansing". Do you think it would be peaceful just because it says so? Look at people's actions not their abstract ideals.

Prior the 1960s, non-whites had no government protection. Liberalism did achieve one nice thing by making it illegal to oppress minorities who could be murdered for their skin color and have no justice. That said, I can still look at disgust when modern Liberalism goes in the opposite directions and pushes anti-white hatred.

In economy, this is known as "advantage of backwardness". Developing countries have larger economic growth than developed countries because they can quickly and less riskily adopt technologies, methods of production, and management techniques that have been developed in advanced countries. This won't however hold on indefinitely and they will never match Europe in GDP.

If they can match Europe from 100 years ago, why can't they match them in the future? Keep in mind, countries like China, South Korea or Japan were once only known as feudal states who still slaughtered each other with swords. What evidence says Africans or Vietnamese or Brazilians will never become competitive with Italy or Greece (who are not even the most richest countries in Europe)?

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Europe use to be an extremely violent continent. The Romans would invade someone, the Vikings would invade someone, Napoleon would invade someone, the British would invade someone, Hitler would invade someone. Today? Germans and French can meet at the border and hold hands peacefully. How do you explain that if tribalness is hard coded in our genes?

Tribalism is encoded in our genes but warfare isn't. Tribalism doesn't always end in slaughter. You originally said "...humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences". If you instead said that "...humans could stop waging warfare on each other" then I would agree.

Similarly, in the USA, we see more peace among the races. President Biden is White, the Vice President is a Woman, Black & Indian. It's almost been a full month since they have been in power and yet there is no Civil War demanding the races must perish violently.

This is such a strawman I won't bother to respond to it I'll just say that more diverse countries have more ethnic conflicts. Ethnic diversity correlates with ethnic conflicts at 0.81.

https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/ethnic-conflicts-their-biological-roots-in-ethnic-nepotism-tatu-vanhanen.pdf

If they can match Europe from 100 years ago, why can't they match them in the future?

Sub-saharan Africa was never as rich as Europe in the last few thousand years so I doubt it will change in foreseeable future.

Keep in mind, countries like China, South Korea or Japan were once only known as feudal states who still slaughtered each other with swords. What evidence says Africans or Vietnamese or Brazilians will never become competitive with Italy or Greece

One difference between these nations is their average IQ. China, South Korea or Japan are all above 100 whereas Africa and Brazil are 71 and 85 respectively. It's been found that the correlation between national IQ and GDP per capita is around 0.7 which means that national IQs explain 50 percent of the variance in national per capita income. There is just no way Africa will ever match European standards of living. One exception is Vietnam whose economy has been crippled by socialism. They might get richer if they adopted more free market policies.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Tribalism is encoded in our genes but warfare isn't. Tribalism doesn't always end in slaughter. You originally said "...humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences". If you instead said that "...humans could stop waging warfare on each other" then I would agree.

Then these tribal lines are malleable or able to change over time. Hitler had his own vision of Europe that ranked Germany or Aryan interests above all else. Even though genetics doesn't actually say Germans are a race, or that they're superior (the 1936 olympics clearly debunked his pseudoscientific views). Even more bizzare, we don't actually live in a world where every ethnic group is racially pure. Yes, there are people who might be 99% European or African stock but then what do we do with the people who are clearly mixed race or have many backgrounds? You can't claim tribalism if your grandparents happened to have many origins.

This is such a strawman I won't bother to respond to it I'll just say that more diverse countries have more ethnic conflicts. Ethnic diversity correlates with ethnic conflicts at 0.81.

And what do we do with societies that are not diverse but literally attacked other ones? Japan and Germany proved that even a heterogenous society can be absolutely destructive, whereas a multicultural country like Canada hasn't killed millions or even presents such a threat.

Sub-saharan Africa was never as rich as Europe in the last few thousand years so I doubt it will change in foreseeable future Prove it. The African country of Botswana already has a higher GDP per capita than Ukraine. They're not thousands of years behind Europe, if they're already competing against low-tier modern ones.

One difference between these nations is their average IQ. China, South Korea or Japan are all above 100 whereas Africa and Brazil are 71 and 85 respectively. It's been found that the correlation between national IQ and GDP per capita is around 0.7 which means that national IQs explain 50 percent of the variance in national per capita income. There is just no way Africa will ever match European standards of living. One exception is Vietnam whose economy has been crippled by socialism. They might get richer if they adopted more free market policies.

Where did you get an IQ test of China from the 1900s? Or even Japan? The Alt-Right is either making an argument that IQ is not genetic or it doesn't matter, since these nations were undeveloped or still existed in a feudal state the same time Africans were.

There is just no way Africa will ever match European standards of living.

And what happens when they do? Did their genes change? And if it did, what would have caused it?

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even more bizzare, we don't actually live in a world where every ethnic group is racially pure. Yes, there are people who might be 99% European or African stock but then what do we do with the people who are clearly mixed race or have many backgrounds? You can't claim tribalism if your grandparents happened to have many origins.

Fine, whatever. Tell that to blacks and hispanics. They are 25% white on average. Tell them that basis of their identity is stupid.

And what do we do with societies that are not diverse but literally attacked other ones? Japan and Germany proved that even a heterogenous society can be absolutely destructive, whereas a multicultural country like Canada hasn't killed millions or even presents such a threat.

That's not what I was talking about. I meant ethnic conflicts that take place within those countries. Not that diverse countries are more dangerous to others. And for the record, Canada has shitty military. They couldn't attack anyone even if they wanted. US is diverse and they are known for invading half of the world.

Where did you get an IQ test of China from the 1900s? Or even Japan? The Alt-Right is either making an argument that IQ is not genetic or it doesn't matter, since these nations were undeveloped or still existed in a feudal state the same time Africans were.

Firstly, China and Japan have been richer than Africa since 1000 AD. And it is likely that East Asian IQ was lower in early 1900s than it is now due to insufficient nutrition as was inferred from cranium sizes.

And what happens when they do? Did their genes change? And if it did, what would have caused it?

They won't.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fine, whatever. Tell that to blacks and hispanics. They are 25% white on average. Tell them that basis of their identity is stupid.

Racial identity is indeed stupid. Recall the system of slavery condemned human beings to a generation of suffering, only because they were born the wrong skin color. Or we have people arguing in this thread blaming third world people for being naturally inferior. If human beings continue to mix with other groups, like has always been the case throughout history (i.e neanderthals and humans mated and took their genes) then race becomes a useless construct.

That's not what I was talking about. I meant ethnic conflicts that take place within those countries. Not that diverse countries are more dangerous to others. And for the record, Canada has shitty military. They couldn't attack anyone even if they wanted. US is diverse and they are known for invading half of the world.

Well Canada still happens to be a very safe country, despite nearly every of its major cities being non-white and diverse. Is Toronto more dangerous than Israel or Pakistan? I doubt it.

Firstly, China and Japan have been richer than Africa since 1000 AD JPG .

And both where still poorer than Europe... It's unscientific to pull IQ numbers about the past when none existed. Even worse is to use brain sizes. Do we measure the size of their noses as well to determine their intelligence?

They won't.

Then I can only hope you don't ever run as a head of state for any African nations, given a lot of ambitious plans are kept underway.

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

For example, the most popular I've seen is that an elite group of people are deliberately forcing white people to intermarry with other racial groups, in order to create a subservient race who are suppose to be slaves or are mentally too "dumb" to ever rebel against the new world order.

That's a very specific claim which isn't as important as the main thrust: an intentional war on White people.

the slave owner dream.

The slave owner dream isn't of necessarily stupid people, but subservient people. I think the 'intentionally creating a race of low-IQ people' line is wrong - if anything I suspect a vastly more nihilistic attitude of the elites. But regardless, they want people who will obey, and accept all their moral dictates. Low-IQ may help with that, but it's not the end goal itself even under that suspicion.

So they have all the power to destroy themselves right now,

They don't, or at a minimum, they don't think they do. If they cut off access to health care and completely cut their funding overnight, you'd see a reaction. Macron has tons of power, but those Yellow Vest riots are a real concern, and that's over comparably minor changes.

Even if the nefarious reasons are right, how did the alt-right predict or guarantee that white oppression is something that must exist in the future as opposed to the idea that humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences?

There's plenty of ways to get over tribal differences and they all involve borders.

That doesn't mean I want to see White people go away but how does the fear that White people are going to be targeted coincide with the same Leftists who believe in eradicating suffering?

If you take leftists' words at face value, all I can say is you're being incredibly naive. The number of leftists who 'want to eradicate suffering' and who also practically orgasm at causing pain and misery to people who reject their moral beliefs in the most minimal sense is incredible. See: JK Rowling, who is on paper a leftist through and through, but she's a stick in the mud about 'trans women' being women, so now she - a billionaire with probably the most popular franchise in the world - is despised by a tremendous number of people.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You go girl, slay those straw men.

How can anyone watch the top MSM narrative now of "Here come the Nazi Terrorists!!!", with no evidence and while the mostly peaceful deadly riots continue, and not see an agenda at work?

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Why not make all nations multi-ethnic? Then there is no country left, that has some common identity, etc.

    I can agree with this, but that also means the conspiracy was never anti-white by design. Any country that is heterogenous would be made diverse in order to increase profits.

    You are correct. Most of them probably do not hate white people and this is another good reason, why there might not be a huge conspiracy. Theoretically, they might fear an uprising, if they introduced forced inter-marriage or other extreme policies.

    Well, there wasn't an uprising the first time politicians opened up the borders to all races and 50 years later, there still isn't any. At what point do we not accept it was always the White majority who handed over such power? Trudeau or Biden are even living in times where there is almost no turning back from making whites a permanent minority, yet they still go about their every day agenda without any fear of reprisal.

    With regards to your edit: Why should they stop Brazil from becoming richer? Wealthier Brazilians means they are able to buy more products. That's great in the eyes of the Capitalist elites.

    More wealth is correlated with having better opportunities to achieve anything in life. A richer Brazil means a child now has time to go to school and get educated instead of sitting in the sweatshops all day picking fruit or sewing shirts. They may have more money to buy stuff but they'll also have money to stop gangs from terrorizing their neighborhoods or directly affect politics that were originally used to benefit the 1% only.

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      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      There was no uprising, because the replacement is happening somewhat slow. If the politicians literally forced every white person to marry a non-white, then some people might rise up. Otherwise, they will not offer some resistance. No, I do not claim the process can not be turned around, I just believe, that the pro-white movement in the last few decades has made a horrible job and the average person has accepted the replacement, because the process was not too fast.

      The Pro-white movements were at their strongest in the early 1950s/1960s and yet George Lincoln Rockwell or Enoch Powell never became heads of states in their respective countries. I don't understand why replacement speed matters when fast or slow, the Alt-Right does not even have a Mayor who can ban miscegenation or enact Jim Crow on even a small village level. If an Alt-Right President got elected in the future, ironically, you would have to thank Non-white voters for that. Because they would make up the new political majority when Whites have fallen below 50%....

      Sure, but here is the missing detail. Firstly, wealth inequality is still rising (even quicker since the 1980s). So, this is no major problem for the elites. Furthermore, the "slavery" element is, that the elites control the process. They can delete you from social media, fire you from your job, close down your bank account, etc. We are slowly transforming into some sort of "Liberal Totalitarianism". Basically, a few (relatively speaking) private companies are winning more and more control over your life.

      These are indeed real threats but I think if people are tired of being censored online, it just means they can go outside and hang out with their friends since it's not illegal to protest in public space. If it does reach a point when protesting and free speech are illegal in public, then the threat affects more than just white people. Every group will have to fight to defend the constitution.

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        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Sure, but their strategies were obviously wrong. Otherwise, they would not have failed.

        I'm interested in what makes you say that. These were admittedly, very smart men. George Rockwell even had the support of Blacks or could forge alliances with other separatist groups like the Nation of Islam. His platform clearly pushed for White interests above all else and yet politically speaking, he didn't even make as much as a dent to stop pro-diversity from being voted into office. There's that infamous photo of him taunting Martin Luther King Jr, especially after a violent black riot had taken place. White Americans clearly had a choice in who could be their next President, but Rockwell never once entered their minds or represented a clear threat to the system.

        Fast forward to today, and neither Democrat or Republicans will ever concede any power that says race mixing must be stopped, or non-white immigrants can not become citizens. White Americans still happily voted for either Trump or Biden last election, and only a very select or fringe voted for anything else. It just doesn't feel like White people seriously care about demographics if they always go out of their way each election to not elect an Alt-Right President to represent them.

        Take the example of the Spanish civil war. Was there an uprising once the first expropriations started? No. Once the first few priests got killed? No. Once the first few dissidents got imprisoned? No. Franco and others only could launch their uprising once the repression was so obvious, that the common guy was in fear, that he would become the next victim of the regime. You will find a somewhat similar situation with regards to migration. Most people do not notice it or downplay it, like "look there are only a handful migrants, just let them in." If 500 Million Chinese moved here today, than everyone would protest against this.

        The Spanish Civil War required violence. Meanwhile where is the violence when almost every U.S election lives up to its name and is a peaceful transition of power? Sure, there was Trump and the Capitol Hill fiasco last month, but at the same time, even Republicans condemned the attack instead of the entire GOP going anarchist and refusing to transfer power to Biden. And if such an event where to happen again, we now know the military will be at the Capitol to prevent it from escalating farther.

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          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Correct. The average white cares for other issues.

          That only highlights the point that white demographics was never a selling point to white people. I actually do agree that white people have other things on their mind. But if health care or the economy rank higher than ethnic preservation, than it's no surprise you will never see a White Nationalist win an election. This thread I made was created to even explain to White people why should they care about the conspiracy theories behind replacement. I've seen some explanations brought up but it's more clear than ever that even a Jewish boogeyman doesn't scare white people to go to the polls and somehow, vote to save their race. I would argue they would actually hate to be bombarded with such information, as it may even remind that "Wait, didn't Hitler share the exact same views? And didn't he fail once he tried to destroy Europe?".

          I obviously reject all forms of political violence. I brought this example up to show, that people only start caring once the situation affects themselves. You are once again totally correct, that the US is offering some option for a peaceful transition of power. You can have a peaceful revolution by democratic means. The problem is, like we talked about before, the average white does not care (enough) for demographics.

          White people were affected the minute the doors to diversity swung open. They get new neighbors of multinational origin, they consume food made by other ethnic groups, they have to work with non-white people at nearly any job that hires them. It's actually an impressive tale that White people are conscious of what's going on, but even though the Alt-right tries to put up politicians, the majority of White People flat our refuse to vote for them.

          [–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

          1. Plenty of mixed race or non-white nations already exist.

          The fact that mixed-race peoples already exist and have always existed is totally irrelevant, since even up to this day, only a very small percentage of white people practice miscegenation (despite all the constant pro-miscegenation propaganda thrown at us for the past decade or so). The percentage of white people that practice miscegenation is, however, slowly on the rise, but only due to said pro-misgenation propaganda, since the percentage of white people who practice miscegenation used to be even lower (almost down to zero) only a couple of decades ago, long after the last anti-miscegenation law was repealed, and only a couple of decades ago the majority of white people used to be actively opposed to miscegenation as well.

          This isn't to say that all miscegenation is necessarily immoral or should be banned, but the fact that it's constantly being promoted (which is disgusting as hell, the way it's being promoted even more so) can't be ignored; every other commercial has interracial couples, and almost always a black man with a white woman.

          An elite group can move to these countries right now and completely ignore the rest of the world yet the Elon Musks or Jeff Bezos still keep their feet planted in the West. Considering these mixed race nations are suppose to be the "future" of these White countries, it doesn't make sense as to why these Billionaires haven't already left and started living the slave owner dream.

          If it wasn't already obvious to you, the elites aren't particularly a shining example of moral consistency. In the same way shove diversity down our throats while living in over 95% white neighborhoods, they remain in white nations while undermining them. Just because they love being amongst white people, because they get to reap the benefits of it, doesn't disprove the fact that they hate white people (this isn't exclusive to the elites either, the same phenomenon can be witnessed in the types of non-whites who are less intelligent/succesful than white people, blacks in particular). The reason they live in white neighborhoods should be obvious (these neighborhoods are peaceful and socially cohesive, and they won't get attacked for being white, or looking white in the case of Jews). And them staying in white nations is probably mostly because it's economically the most profitable, because the West is the economic powerhouse of the world (due to the high intelligence, inventiveness and productivity of white people), and as a result has a very large consumer base with a large disposable income.

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          2. Trying to create a subservient race without also banning Asian/White or Jewish/White marriage is highly flawed. I never once heard opposition that the Elites desired a specific race mix to create their slave group. Even if we go by Racial IQ tables, there's still a huge gulf in intelligence between Native Africans and Native Australian Aboriginees, yet shouldn't we see Aboriginals being bred in mass given they would create the dumbest IQ slave group?

          The "the elites want to create a mixed-race slave class" thing is a bit of a strawman, but there's probably at least some truth to it. The theory goes that the elites want to create a mixed-race class that's submissive and very hedonistic (in part because they'd have no racial identity to lean on, which would make them a very profitable consumer base), and intelligent and socially capable enough to perform low-skilled labor but too dumb to question the system in a meaningful way (let alone overthrow it); so probably somewhere in the 80-90 IQ range.

          Assuming this theory is entirely true, why the hell would they waste shit loads of time, money and resources to import Australian Aboriginals (of which there aren't even a million to begin with) into all corners of the West, when it's far cheaper and more efficient to just open the borders of white countries and import low-IQ non-whites from the most nearby third world countries (Africa and the Islamic world for Europe and Central America for the US), which they're already doing by the way, and then promote miscegenation?

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          3. The nefarious reasons behind White demographic change are hard to accept. Don't get me wrong, the Alt-right does make excellent points that there is media driven hatred towards Native White people. But I can't accept that Trudeau, or Merkel or Joe Biden have a secret agenda to punish their own skin color. Keep in mind that these same heads of state still promise billions in welfare to White people or they haven't cut off their access to health care. So they have all the power to destroy themselves right now, yet White people are living in the most prosperous time in human history, as opposed to being round up and being lead to the mixed race breeding farms.

          I don't know about anti-white remarks from Merkel (but she has imported a million "refugees" a year into Germany during the Migrant Crisis), but both Biden and Trudeau have expressed anti-white sentimens out in the open. They obviously haven't literally said stuff like "fuck white peope", "white people are scum" or "white people should be exterminated", but they've both expressed that the historical European cultures of the US and Canada are racist and need to be reimagined, and they've admitted that whites are getting replaced and expressed joy over it.

          And white people still getting welfare isn't proof against the fact that there is an anti-white agenda either. In fact, although I personally support welfare, welfare is actually a very useful tool in the hands of the elites for bribing poor (white) people into poltically conceding on social issues (giving up their socially conservative and "racist" sentiments). If labor wasn't outsourced to the third world, cheap labor wasn't imported, and a university degree wasn't required for almost any job, a lot less people would be dependent on welfare in the first place.

          And white people nowadays might have a better life than ever before if material conditions are your only metric, but what does that mean if you're dying out as a race, losing more and more political power in your own countries and getting your culture destroyed? Also, are you really going to argue white people wouldn't be enjoying such good material conditions today if the elites wouldn't have started fucking with us? The West was well underway towards this ever-increasing standard of living far before the elites started fucking with us, and quality of life today probably would've been even higher if they were out of the picture.

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          4. Even if the nefarious reasons are right, how did the alt-right predict or guarantee that white oppression is something that must exist in the future as opposed to the idea that humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences? I'll take the side of the liberals for a second and pretend that, the goal isn't White genocide but to make every Human happy? After all, a future where everyone is rich, everyone has health care, everyone has good education, what exactly becomes the purpose of hating skin color if the differences literally become about melanin? That doesn't mean I want to see White people go away but how does the fear that White people are going to be targeted coincide with the same Leftists who believe in eradicating suffering?

          I can't speak on behalf of the entire "dissident right", although a lot of us in the "dissident right" probably share this sentiment, but what you've described doesn't sound too dissimilar to what's basically my worldview; wanting to make the world a better place for everyone, but without compromising on white interests. The best way to go about this is benevolent colonialism.

          [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          OP is a troll.

          [–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I'm aware of that possibility. No less of a reason for me to debunk his nonsensical talking points.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

          Thank you for your response.

          The fact that mixed-race peoples already exist and have always existed is totally irrelevant, since even up to this day, only a very small percentage of white people practice miscegenation (despite all the constant pro-miscegenation propaganda thrown at us for the past decade or so). The percentage of white people that practice miscegenation is, however, slowly on the rise, but only due to said pro-misgenation propaganda, since the percentage of white people who practice miscegenation used to be even lower (almost down to zero) only a couple of decades ago, long after the last anti-miscegenation law was repealed, and only a couple of decades ago the majority of white people used to be actively opposed to miscegenation as well. This isn't to say that all miscegenation is necessarily immoral or should be banned, but the fact that it's constantly being promoted (which is disgusting as hell, the way it's being promoted even more so) can't be ignored; every other commercial has interracial couples, and almost always a black man with a white woman.

          I need proof that propaganda can force someone to have sex with another human. Sorry, but if you can believe White people can build rocket ships, but they also have zero control over their penis, there's an implication that free will doesn't exist. I also feel like there's a slippery slope to this idea. For example, if enough propaganda can make white people have sex with black people or Asians, does this imply I can make someone a neophiliac by flashing them pictures of dead bodies? No amount of rotting bones will ever make me want to hump a skeleton I think.

          If it wasn't already obvious to you, the elites aren't particularly a shining example of moral consistency. In the same way shove diversity down our throats while living in over 95% white neighborhoods, they remain in white nations while undermining them. Just because they love being amongst white people, because they get to reap the benefits of it, doesn't disprove the fact that they hate white people (this isn't exclusive to the elites either, the same phenomenon can be witnessed in the types of non-whites who are less intelligent/succesful than white people, blacks in particular). The reason they live in white neighborhoods should be obvious (these neighborhoods are peaceful and socially cohesive, and they won't get attacked for being white, or looking white in the case of Jews). And them staying in white nations is probably mostly because it's economically the most profitable, because the West is the economic powerhouse of the world (due to the high intelligence, inventiveness and productivity of white people), and as a result has a very large consumer base with a large disposable income.

          There's a massive contradiction. The Elites can stay in the West because it's wealthy, but you are aware that massive amounts of immigration directly contributes to these nations being even more powerful, right? In which case, it's not a race thing. It's the same reason you go to New York City or Los Angeles and find the richest tech companies, yet travel to Appalachia or the poor suburbs of Alabama, and they're nowhere as advanced despite being made up of native white people? This is what puts the white genocide theory to the test. The Elites are being made richer when they continue to import the smartest scientists or entrepreneurs from all over the world. Whether it's China, Iran, Nigeria, you cannot deny that diversity does in fact select for stealing high IQ geniuses from all over the world and put them in one spot. But if the Elites only cared about being the best slave driver, they can already buy a plane ticket to Brazil and literally finish off the 1 or 2% white people that still live there.

          The "the elites want to create a mixed-race slave class" thing is a bit of a strawman, but there's probably at least some truth to it. The theory goes that the elites want to create a mixed-race class that's submissive and very hedonistic (in part because they'd have no racial identity to lean on, which would make them a very profitable consumer base), and intelligent and socially capable enough to perform low-skilled labor but too dumb to question the system in a meaningful way (let alone overthrow it); so probably somewhere in the 80-90 IQ range. Assuming this theory is entirely true, why the hell would they waste shit loads of time, money and resources to import Australian Aboriginals (of which there aren't even a million to begin with) into all corners of the West, when it's far cheaper and more efficient to just open the borders of white countries and import low-IQ non-whites from the most nearby third world countries (Africa and the Islamic world for Europe and Central America for the US), which they're already doing by the way, and then promote miscegenation?

          What is the scientific formula for creating a slave? Is it two parts black, 1/4 Mexican and 1/3 vietnamese? Considering every race in human history has been enslaved, it seems kind of silly there actually exists a threshold for when mankind is suppose to be 100% obedient. Much less, if you're not targetting the dumbest IQ group to be your perfect slave, why have any threshold? Maybe 140 IQ half mixed Chinese people are the perfect slaves? Or why not 100 IQ half portuguese half germans? The Alt-Right must prove to me that any kind of mixed race group is suppose to be ideal for a new world order. Because nothing in science says that certain human beings will want to live as slaves forever. If you ever seen the movie Dejango,

          I don't know about anti-white remarks from Merkel (but she has imported a million "refugees" a year into Germany during the Migrant Crisis), but both Biden and Trudeau have expressed anti-white sentimens out in the open. They obviously haven't literally said stuff like "fuck white peope", "white people are scum" or "white people should be exterminated", but they've both expressed that the historical European cultures of the US and Canada are racist and need to be reimagined, and they've admitted that whites are getting replaced and expressed joy over it.And white people still getting welfare isn't proof against the fact that there is an anti-white agenda either. In fact, although I personally support welfare, welfare is actually a very useful tool in the hands of the elites for bribing poor (white) people into poltically conceding on social issues (giving up their socially conservative and "racist" sentiments). If labor wasn't outsourced to the third world, cheap labor wasn't imported, and a university degree wasn't required for almost any job, a lot less people would be dependent on welfare in the first place. And white people nowadays might have a better life than ever before if material conditions are your only metric, but what does that mean if you're dying out as a race, losing more and more political power in your own countries and getting your culture destroyed? Also, are you really going to argue white people wouldn't be enjoying such good material conditions today if the elites wouldn't have started fucking with us? The West was well underway towards this ever-increasing standard of living far before the elites started fucking with us, and quality of life today probably would've been even higher if they were out of the picture.

          The viewpoints expressed by Trudeau or Biden are equally shared with the millions of White voters who also put them in power. Keep in mind, these are White people who can be doctors, police officers or firefighters, so all the power is in their hands to make the lives of other white people unbearable, and yet we don't hear stories of White doctors deliberately killing white patients or White Firefighters letting every White family die in a fire. The Alt-Right must address the free will question. If White people in practically every Western country are fine voting for the same policies that make them a minority, how do you truly classify them as evil or prove their motives are based on harm? But at the same time, the wealth of Whites continues to grow, or that White people are enjoying less wars and conflicts than their ancestors did after two devastating world wars?

          I can't speak on behalf of the entire "dissident right", although a lot of us in the "dissident right" probably share this sentiment, but what you've described doesn't sound too dissimilar to what's basically my worldview; wanting to make the world a better place for everyone, but without compromising on white interests. The best way to go about this is benevolent colonialism.

          If we go with Colonialism, then I can easily see the Elites using the same arguments to control Western countries. They'll import non-white scientists or engineers who still manage to contribute to society while at the same time earning enough money to send back to their families and help them improve their own living conditions.

          [–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

          I need proof that propaganda can force someone to have sex with another human. Sorry, but if you can believe White people can build rocket ships, but they also have zero control over their penis, there's an implication that free will doesn't exist.

          You didn't even interact with my arguments, because you're obviously too busy jerking off to your own talking points with the typical smug, anti-white snark added to it. Like I already said, the white people who do practice miscegenation are still a small minority, because they aren't literally forced to. No one is claiming white people are literally being forced to miscegenate, just that we're being bombarded with interracial propaganda (especially in commercials), which can't be denied.

          .

          What is the scientific formula for creating a slave? Is it two parts black, 1/4 Mexican and 1/3 vietnamese? Considering every race in human history has been enslaved, it seems kind of silly there actually exists a threshold for when mankind is suppose to be 100% obedient. Much less, if you're not targetting the dumbest IQ group to be your perfect slave, why have any threshold? Maybe 140 IQ half mixed Chinese people are the perfect slaves? Or why not 100 IQ half portuguese half germans? The Alt-Right must prove to me that any kind of mixed race group is suppose to be ideal for a new world order. Because nothing in science says that certain human beings will want to live as slaves forever.

          How is this in any way relevant? You're really pivoting like crazy. You were the one who brought up the "slave class" strawman crap, not me, and argued that the ideal slave class should be as dumb as possible, and that therefore if the elites wanted to create a "slave class" they'd import Australian Aboriginals instead of mestizos, pajeets and negroes. I merely pointed out how full of shit you are with that ridiculous bullshit argument. And obviously, if they're trying to create a "slave class", they almost certainly wouldn't be kept as literal slaves, just as very low wage wokers who will be kept calm by their Netflix after work, basically what is already happening but more extreme over a longer timespan.

          .

          The viewpoints expressed by Trudeau or Biden are equally shared with the millions of White voters who also put them in power. Keep in mind, these are White people who can be doctors, police officers or firefighters, so all the power is in their hands to make the lives of other white people unbearable, and yet we don't hear stories of White doctors deliberately killing white patients or White Firefighters letting every White family die in a fire.

          Because, obviously, of the white people who have anti-white biases, only a tiny minority actually deep down hates white people, and of that tiny minority, only a tiny minority are literal murderous sadistic psychotpaths who'd be willing to do disgusting shit like letting innocent white people burn alive or murdering white patients. Are you projecting something or what?

          But actually, it isn't even true that most white people have an anti-white bias. In the US, 55% of white people feel discriminated against for being white, and in most western nations the majority of population is opposed to immigration (yet their politicians don't give a shit).

          .

          The Alt-Right must address the free will question.

          We mustn't nothing, you disgustig little freak. White people don't owe you anything. There's nothing wrong with us sticking up for our kind.

          If we go with Colonialism, then I can easily see the Elites using the same arguments to control Western countries. They'll import non-white scientists or engineers who still manage to contribute to society while at the same time earning enough money to send back to their families and help them improve their own living conditions.

          No, because unlike the elites that fuck with us, we don't intend to systematically replace the natives of colonized countries with white people, or pillage their economies, or publish constant propaganda about "black privilege" or "mestizo privilege", or put their women in commercials in relationships with white men.

          It's more like, without our supervision, they're breeding like rabbits, living in extreme poverty and flooding our countries despite having recieved billions of development aid for decades, so we're gonna help them out but that also means we get to make their laws, restrict their procreation and make sure they stay the fuck away from our countries.

          .

          PS: I should report your comments for participating in bad faith but I won't (for now at least) so people can laugh at you and join me in wiping the floor with you.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Great responses.

          [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Stop feeding the trolls

          [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          It's a debate sub. He might be bumping up against the good faith rule by the tone of his responses but I don't see troll activity. Please report comments that you think are related to trolling so I can track them and kick him if warranted.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          You didn't even interact with my arguments, because you're obviously too busy jerking off to your own talking points with the typical smug, anti-white snark added to it. Like I already said, the white people who do practice miscegenation are still a small minority, because they aren't literally forced to. No one is claiming white people are literally being forced to miscegenate, just that we're being bombarded with interracial propaganda (especially in commercials), which can't be denied.

          Just a disclaimer: please don't call everyone who disagrees with you "anti-white". If I can go an entire discussion without calling you racist, then you should refrain from assuming my own politics. Now, white people are being bombarded with interracial propaganda? Instead of the more reasonable idea in which interracial couples exist and are apart of society? Bombard itself is also a strong word. Maybe travel to the Amish parts of the USA and ask the locals if they've seen any ads. If they say no, why not go live with them?

          How is this in any way relevant? You're really pivoting like crazy. You were the one who brought up the "slave class" strawman crap, not me, and argued that the ideal slave class should be as dumb as possible, and that therefore if the elites wanted to create a "slave class" they'd import Australian Aboriginals instead of mestizos, pajeets and negroes. I merely pointed out how full of shit you are with that ridiculous bullshit argument. And obviously, if they're trying to create a "slave class", they almost certainly wouldn't be kept as literal slaves, just as very low wage wokers who will be kept calm by their Netflix after work, basically what is already happening but more extreme over a longer timespan.

          It's not a strawman when alt-right circles entertain the idea race mixing only exists to create a more obedient ethnic group. Case and point: can you answer with a straight face you've never heard of Kalergi? And if the purpose was not to create the most docile race then what threshold even says mixing different people together makes them inferior? The examples of Africans or Indians run contradictory to this. At one point in history, Black Americans were murdered for attempting to even read a book. There was intense amount of brainwashing to believe God only created them so they could serve Europeans yet even after the disgusting amounts of torture and reckless murder, they always fought for their freedom. Indians are another group. They didn't want the British to rule over them and there was a constant attempt at resistance to get them out of their continent. I would argue that bringing these different races together is the absolute opposite of trying to subjugate them. Black people or Indians were brutally murdered for refusing to be slaves by subsets of people who taught they had to be genetically inferior, yet today they still refuse to ever go back in chains without a fight.

          Because, obviously, of the white people who have anti-white biases, only a tiny minority actually deep down hates white people, and of that tiny minority, only a tiny minority are literal murderous sadistic psychotpaths who'd be willing to do disgusting shit like letting innocent white people burn alive or murdering white patients. Are you projecting something or what? But actually, it isn't even true that most white people have an anti-white bias. In the US, 55% of white people feel discriminated against for being white, and in most western nations the majority of population is opposed to immigration (yet their politicians don't give a shit).

          How do you know all this information? White people are still voting for mass immigration in droves. Are we suppose to believe that Trudeau and Biden are somehow the worst scum, yet their power only exists because 50% of White population continue to approve their agenda with very little push back?

          We mustn't nothing, you disgustig little freak. White people don't owe you anything. There's nothing wrong with us sticking up for our kind.

          Who is the official spokesperson for White people? Or why does said voice of White people have to be Alt-Right? If we go by election numbers, Conservative or Liberal politicians who promote diversity are much bigger champions of white people than the 1% fringe parties that disagree? You can absolutely stick up for your kind but what I'm trying to tell you is, it already appears most White people have a stigma against far-right beliefs and are even repulsed at letting them dominate the national agenda. That's not an opinion, that's reality I'm trying to break to you now.

          No, because unlike the elites that fuck with us, we don't intend to systematically replace the natives of colonized countries with white people, or pillage their economies, or publish constant propaganda about "black privilege" or "mestizo privilege", or put their women in commercials in relations with white men. It's more like, without our supervision, they're breeding like rabbits, living in extreme poverty and flooding our countries despite having recieved billions of development aid for decades, so we're gonna help them out but that also means we get to make their laws, restrict their procreation and make sure they stay the fuck away from our countries.

          Your post is only 50% correct. Non-white countries have been invaded and had their governments replaced with dictators. The ones who did try to fight back where publicly humiliated or assassinated. I'm not extreme like Liberals who try and guilt this on all White people but try not to pin these other countries like they were given help without multiple strings attached. Even some countries that are recovering from poverty are still being affected by neo-colonial policies. Whether it's illegal over fishing off the coasts of Africa or the constant drone strikes on Middle Eastern families who did nothing wrong. It's not a surprise they find their ways into Western countries since their attempts at building their own have been sabotaged for centuries.

          [–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Where do you get that Whites are voting for mass immigration?Are you aware that politicians like Trudeau have other stances that lure Whites to him?

          For Biden, the majority of Whites still voted for Trump and more voted Republican.The media pushed the narrative he was a return to normal from Trump,demographic change,combine that with Trump's poor handling of the Pandemic and Biden's nature and image(amplified by the media).It assured his victory.Whites are waking up against mass immigration.The nationalistic right is gaining momentum, you can see this with AFD,Brexit,Trump,Le Pen,Salvini,Orban etc.Yes it's slow but that's mainly due to the establishment power the opposition has built up.

          I agree with your stances on non white nations and if I was in charge of the US I would pour funding (with conditions such as a lowering of fertility rate and a pro climate strategy) into developing non white nations and end American imperialism.It would be a win win for both.Non White nations would develop faster and would be less likely to want to immigrate to White nations(though they outright would be blocked if I was in charge) and there fertility rates drop with development and liberalization.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          Where do you get that Whites are voting for mass immigration?Are you aware that politicians like Trudeau have other stances that lure Whites to him?

          Mass immigration is part of his platform. You are correct that he has other issues that may appeal to Whites, but when the man gets on TV and literally says "Diversity is our the greatest strength and I promise to increase it" you are subconsciously supporting it whether you like it or not.

          Also, Trudeau was just elected a second time. If Whites didn't have a problem the first time he promised to open the floodgates, they still didn't care that his second term wants to go even farther with it.

          For Biden, the majority of Whites still voted for Trump and more voted Republican.The media pushed the narrative he was a return to normal from Trump,demographic change,combine that with Trump's poor handling of the Pandemic and Biden's nature and image(amplified by the media).It assured his victory.Whites are waking up against mass immigration.The nationalistic right is gaining momentum, you can see this with AFD,Brexit,Trump,Le Pen,Salvini,Orban etc.Yes it's slow but that's mainly due to the establishment power the opposition has built up.

          I explained to another user that Trump was never a White Nationalist. Yeah, the media gets a boner from calling him Hitler every two seconds, but Trump never once said he's going to make America majority White. He did take action against illegal immigrants, but he still approved millions of LEGAL ones under his watch. These are people who are from Jamaica, Mexico, China, India etc. All of them were made citizens and he didn't object to this.

          In regards to nationalism gaining momentum, I agree its happening. But keep in mind there's a difference between CIVIC nationalism and White Nationalism. Hungary or Italy might lean closer to White Nationalism but Donald Trump or Boris Johnson are civic nationalists. They have no plans of deporting their non-white citizens, and I heavily doubt the next Republican or Tories will touch that pole either.

          I agree with your stances on non white nations and if I was in charge of the US I would pour funding (with conditions such as a lowering of fertility rate and a pro climate strategy) into developing non white nations and end American imperialism.It would be a win win for both.Non White nations would develop faster and would be less likely to want to immigrate to White nations(though they outright would be blocked if I was in charge) and there fertility rates drop with development and liberalization

          This is what I want too. Every nation would be better if they were economic dependent and can look after themselves.

          [–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Thats another factor, Whites are manipulated and lied to believe that diversity is a strength is a necessity. The goal of the nationalistic is to change that and we can one bit at a time. Countries like Canada are also entrenched with the Judeo-American sphere of influence which weakens the ability of nationalistic parties to rise.

          You said in your earlier posts in this thread you think Trump is a fascist? Trump was under the influence of the establishment yes but immigration did objectively do down under him with policies like the travel ban for example and he has made attempts to decrease legal immigration but obstruction from the establishment prevented him. Civic nationalism is considered white nationalism by the modern dogmatic. Go to a reddit left wing subreddit and ask for their opinions on it. It is a stepping stone to true nationalism and far better than the status quo.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

          A quick apology about the immigration numbers. I said 50% of White people are ok with becoming racial minorities, but it's actually closer to 90%.

          Conservative platforms don't oppose non-whites from moving to the West and becoming citizens. They only target illegal immigrants.

          For many decades, both Left & Right have come to power but White people voted for poltiicians who are pro-diversity. Even back in the 1960s when you had actual hard-line candidates run for president on a Segregationist agenda, they still kept losing to mainstream Liberal or Conservatives who did nothing to reverse multicultural immigrations. If you believe in free will, then you must also accept millions of White people voted at the polls for candidates who pushed diversity instead of trying to stop it.

          [–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

          You have to understand most Whites are unaware of the demographic changes taking place.They are consumed by other more direct factors in their lives.It is our job to make them aware of the demographic changes,make them realize the consequences and take action to prevent these changes.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

          There's no way Whites are unaware. America right now is supposedly 62% white. Unless you live in an Amish community or a cave in Alaska, you are bound to run into someone who is of foreign origin. Or just look at the government right now. The Vice President is of Indian/Jamaican origin. It's more likely that White people have other issues on their mind that demographic changes doesn't rank as being important to them. And honestly, it probably never will. It's been more than 50 years since Hart-Celler passed and no U.S President has been elected to even repeal it. The majority of Whites are just concerned enough or refuse to take action like those in the Alt-right are.

          [–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

          The average white citizen is unaware, if you went to do a survey on the street, the majority would be surprised by it. The goal of the nationalistic right is to show and convince Whites of the consequences of demographic change, Hart Celler hasn't been repealed mainly because no President has made it a priority and rising the Jewish and neoliberal influence over American politics and society.Alot of it has to do with the Cold world geopolitics.American's were convinced the USSR and "Socialism" was the greatest threat to their way of life and that the whole world needed to be enlightened to this and to do so an unexclusionary immigration policy was stuck too.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          Sorry man, I just can't believe most White people have no clue at all about the demographics. I think they might DOWNPLAY the impact of immigration, but they're not so dumb to believe America has no immigration at all.

          Look at Coronavirus. Look at the airports. This was the first time since maybe 9/11 when we heard foreign travel was an issue (remember the huge panic of Scary Muslims sneaking into the country?). And the media and politicians were well aware that anyone who came from China were at risk of spreading the virus. This sparked many attacks on Asians Americans so it's not a coincidence. White people know they're not alone in the USA.

          [–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Yes but likely not the extent.American's in general aren't the most aware. You can check on YT those videos of "dumb Americans" not knowing basic history and so on.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          Then these people were never going to be reasoned with, since they might also think the moon is made of cheese or something. But no, anyone who works in New York City, or has ever passed through an airport, knows foreigners are entering their country and settling down. It's more likely the average American just isn't concerned enough to speak out, but it's impossible for them to think the country is a 99% white island when foreigners are becoming apart of their every day life and now one of them is Vice President. If they still deny it then tough luck to them I suppose. But the evidence is there in front of them.

          [–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Thats the job of the Nationalistic right, to awaken and convince them.Trump's election is a testament that there is potential.

          [–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          A quick apology about the immigration numbers. I said 50% of White people are ok with becoming racial minorities, but it's actually closer to 90%.

          Conservative platforms don't oppose non-whites from moving to the West and becoming citizens. They only target illegal immigrants.

          You've been pandering fallacious reasoning like this all over this thread but this is especially retarded. You say that republicans don't oppose non-white immigration and that's why everyone who voted republicans doesn't oppose it either. Well guess what? White nationalists voted republicans. In 2016 and in 2020. Does it mean that white nationalists want to become minorities? After all, the voted for party that supports non-white immigration they must, right? Or is it because there is no pro-white party to vote for so they have to vote for the lesser evil of the two? Which in this case is republican party.

          Any rationally thinking person would conclude the same yet you can not.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Far-Leftists voted for Biden, even though he is barely Socialist, and not even Communist on the political spectrum. I'm aware White Nationalists voted for Trump but it doesn't actually mean much when the President constantly disavows White Supremacy or goes on record saying he wants America to have the most [legal] immigrants ever. So my point is not refuted. I understand you will vote Republican because it is closer to your ideals but at the same time, don't treat that like the Politicians have to listen to you.

          Also, there are pro-white parties to vote for. But see the problem? They don't have the name recognition that Democrats or Republicans do. Writing down "American Nazi Party" will net you one vote, but Republicans and Democrats will get millions from everyone else.

          [–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          You can't just lump in any white person who doesn't explicity oppose non-white immigration into the camp that's ok with becoming the minority, you shithead. By that logic, we could lump in any white person who doesn't explicitly state he wants to become a minority into the camp that explicitly opposes non-white immigration.

          Conservative platforms don't oppose non-whites from moving to the West and becoming citizens. They only target illegal immigrants.

          No one denies that. In fact, it's a actually very common talking point on this sub. What's new? "Conservatives" pretending to care about normal white people while selling out to neoliberalism and bringing in more non-white immigrants for cheap labor. Yeah, you're such a genius for pointing that out, you totally owned us. And we were all thinking "conservatives" were B-B-BASTE!!!11!1!1!!11 until you came along.

          For many decades, both Left & Right have come to power but White people voted for poltiicians who are pro-diversity. Even back in the 1960s when you had actual hard-line candidates run for president on a Segregationist agenda, they still kept losing to mainstream Liberal or Conservatives who did nothing to reverse multicultural immigrations.

          Even though white people back then were very "racist" and would never approve of all the pro-diversity shit the politicians were pushing. And you know full well that third parties never win elections regardless of how good their policy proposals might be. You're in no position to blame the general white population for diversity since their only viable options are two parties that are both pro-diversity, you shitstain.

          If you believe in free will, then you must also accept millions of White people voted at the polls for candidates who pushed diversity instead of trying to stop it.

          Even if those white people actually supported diversity (which is literally a lie, as I just explained), no. Fuck democracy. Democracy is fucking gay, just like you.