A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored.

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[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

1. Plenty of mixed race or non-white nations already exist.

The fact that mixed-race peoples already exist and have always existed is totally irrelevant, since even up to this day, only a very small percentage of white people practice miscegenation (despite all the constant pro-miscegenation propaganda thrown at us for the past decade or so). The percentage of white people that practice miscegenation is, however, slowly on the rise, but only due to said pro-misgenation propaganda, since the percentage of white people who practice miscegenation used to be even lower (almost down to zero) only a couple of decades ago, long after the last anti-miscegenation law was repealed, and only a couple of decades ago the majority of white people used to be actively opposed to miscegenation as well.

This isn't to say that all miscegenation is necessarily immoral or should be banned, but the fact that it's constantly being promoted (which is disgusting as hell, the way it's being promoted even more so) can't be ignored; every other commercial has interracial couples, and almost always a black man with a white woman.

An elite group can move to these countries right now and completely ignore the rest of the world yet the Elon Musks or Jeff Bezos still keep their feet planted in the West. Considering these mixed race nations are suppose to be the "future" of these White countries, it doesn't make sense as to why these Billionaires haven't already left and started living the slave owner dream.

If it wasn't already obvious to you, the elites aren't particularly a shining example of moral consistency. In the same way shove diversity down our throats while living in over 95% white neighborhoods, they remain in white nations while undermining them. Just because they love being amongst white people, because they get to reap the benefits of it, doesn't disprove the fact that they hate white people (this isn't exclusive to the elites either, the same phenomenon can be witnessed in the types of non-whites who are less intelligent/succesful than white people, blacks in particular). The reason they live in white neighborhoods should be obvious (these neighborhoods are peaceful and socially cohesive, and they won't get attacked for being white, or looking white in the case of Jews). And them staying in white nations is probably mostly because it's economically the most profitable, because the West is the economic powerhouse of the world (due to the high intelligence, inventiveness and productivity of white people), and as a result has a very large consumer base with a large disposable income.

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2. Trying to create a subservient race without also banning Asian/White or Jewish/White marriage is highly flawed. I never once heard opposition that the Elites desired a specific race mix to create their slave group. Even if we go by Racial IQ tables, there's still a huge gulf in intelligence between Native Africans and Native Australian Aboriginees, yet shouldn't we see Aboriginals being bred in mass given they would create the dumbest IQ slave group?

The "the elites want to create a mixed-race slave class" thing is a bit of a strawman, but there's probably at least some truth to it. The theory goes that the elites want to create a mixed-race class that's submissive and very hedonistic (in part because they'd have no racial identity to lean on, which would make them a very profitable consumer base), and intelligent and socially capable enough to perform low-skilled labor but too dumb to question the system in a meaningful way (let alone overthrow it); so probably somewhere in the 80-90 IQ range.

Assuming this theory is entirely true, why the hell would they waste shit loads of time, money and resources to import Australian Aboriginals (of which there aren't even a million to begin with) into all corners of the West, when it's far cheaper and more efficient to just open the borders of white countries and import low-IQ non-whites from the most nearby third world countries (Africa and the Islamic world for Europe and Central America for the US), which they're already doing by the way, and then promote miscegenation?

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3. The nefarious reasons behind White demographic change are hard to accept. Don't get me wrong, the Alt-right does make excellent points that there is media driven hatred towards Native White people. But I can't accept that Trudeau, or Merkel or Joe Biden have a secret agenda to punish their own skin color. Keep in mind that these same heads of state still promise billions in welfare to White people or they haven't cut off their access to health care. So they have all the power to destroy themselves right now, yet White people are living in the most prosperous time in human history, as opposed to being round up and being lead to the mixed race breeding farms.

I don't know about anti-white remarks from Merkel (but she has imported a million "refugees" a year into Germany during the Migrant Crisis), but both Biden and Trudeau have expressed anti-white sentimens out in the open. They obviously haven't literally said stuff like "fuck white peope", "white people are scum" or "white people should be exterminated", but they've both expressed that the historical European cultures of the US and Canada are racist and need to be reimagined, and they've admitted that whites are getting replaced and expressed joy over it.

And white people still getting welfare isn't proof against the fact that there is an anti-white agenda either. In fact, although I personally support welfare, welfare is actually a very useful tool in the hands of the elites for bribing poor (white) people into poltically conceding on social issues (giving up their socially conservative and "racist" sentiments). If labor wasn't outsourced to the third world, cheap labor wasn't imported, and a university degree wasn't required for almost any job, a lot less people would be dependent on welfare in the first place.

And white people nowadays might have a better life than ever before if material conditions are your only metric, but what does that mean if you're dying out as a race, losing more and more political power in your own countries and getting your culture destroyed? Also, are you really going to argue white people wouldn't be enjoying such good material conditions today if the elites wouldn't have started fucking with us? The West was well underway towards this ever-increasing standard of living far before the elites started fucking with us, and quality of life today probably would've been even higher if they were out of the picture.

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4. Even if the nefarious reasons are right, how did the alt-right predict or guarantee that white oppression is something that must exist in the future as opposed to the idea that humans could actually work together or get over tribal differences? I'll take the side of the liberals for a second and pretend that, the goal isn't White genocide but to make every Human happy? After all, a future where everyone is rich, everyone has health care, everyone has good education, what exactly becomes the purpose of hating skin color if the differences literally become about melanin? That doesn't mean I want to see White people go away but how does the fear that White people are going to be targeted coincide with the same Leftists who believe in eradicating suffering?

I can't speak on behalf of the entire "dissident right", although a lot of us in the "dissident right" probably share this sentiment, but what you've described doesn't sound too dissimilar to what's basically my worldview; wanting to make the world a better place for everyone, but without compromising on white interests. The best way to go about this is benevolent colonialism.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

OP is a troll.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm aware of that possibility. No less of a reason for me to debunk his nonsensical talking points.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Thank you for your response.

The fact that mixed-race peoples already exist and have always existed is totally irrelevant, since even up to this day, only a very small percentage of white people practice miscegenation (despite all the constant pro-miscegenation propaganda thrown at us for the past decade or so). The percentage of white people that practice miscegenation is, however, slowly on the rise, but only due to said pro-misgenation propaganda, since the percentage of white people who practice miscegenation used to be even lower (almost down to zero) only a couple of decades ago, long after the last anti-miscegenation law was repealed, and only a couple of decades ago the majority of white people used to be actively opposed to miscegenation as well. This isn't to say that all miscegenation is necessarily immoral or should be banned, but the fact that it's constantly being promoted (which is disgusting as hell, the way it's being promoted even more so) can't be ignored; every other commercial has interracial couples, and almost always a black man with a white woman.

I need proof that propaganda can force someone to have sex with another human. Sorry, but if you can believe White people can build rocket ships, but they also have zero control over their penis, there's an implication that free will doesn't exist. I also feel like there's a slippery slope to this idea. For example, if enough propaganda can make white people have sex with black people or Asians, does this imply I can make someone a neophiliac by flashing them pictures of dead bodies? No amount of rotting bones will ever make me want to hump a skeleton I think.

If it wasn't already obvious to you, the elites aren't particularly a shining example of moral consistency. In the same way shove diversity down our throats while living in over 95% white neighborhoods, they remain in white nations while undermining them. Just because they love being amongst white people, because they get to reap the benefits of it, doesn't disprove the fact that they hate white people (this isn't exclusive to the elites either, the same phenomenon can be witnessed in the types of non-whites who are less intelligent/succesful than white people, blacks in particular). The reason they live in white neighborhoods should be obvious (these neighborhoods are peaceful and socially cohesive, and they won't get attacked for being white, or looking white in the case of Jews). And them staying in white nations is probably mostly because it's economically the most profitable, because the West is the economic powerhouse of the world (due to the high intelligence, inventiveness and productivity of white people), and as a result has a very large consumer base with a large disposable income.

There's a massive contradiction. The Elites can stay in the West because it's wealthy, but you are aware that massive amounts of immigration directly contributes to these nations being even more powerful, right? In which case, it's not a race thing. It's the same reason you go to New York City or Los Angeles and find the richest tech companies, yet travel to Appalachia or the poor suburbs of Alabama, and they're nowhere as advanced despite being made up of native white people? This is what puts the white genocide theory to the test. The Elites are being made richer when they continue to import the smartest scientists or entrepreneurs from all over the world. Whether it's China, Iran, Nigeria, you cannot deny that diversity does in fact select for stealing high IQ geniuses from all over the world and put them in one spot. But if the Elites only cared about being the best slave driver, they can already buy a plane ticket to Brazil and literally finish off the 1 or 2% white people that still live there.

The "the elites want to create a mixed-race slave class" thing is a bit of a strawman, but there's probably at least some truth to it. The theory goes that the elites want to create a mixed-race class that's submissive and very hedonistic (in part because they'd have no racial identity to lean on, which would make them a very profitable consumer base), and intelligent and socially capable enough to perform low-skilled labor but too dumb to question the system in a meaningful way (let alone overthrow it); so probably somewhere in the 80-90 IQ range. Assuming this theory is entirely true, why the hell would they waste shit loads of time, money and resources to import Australian Aboriginals (of which there aren't even a million to begin with) into all corners of the West, when it's far cheaper and more efficient to just open the borders of white countries and import low-IQ non-whites from the most nearby third world countries (Africa and the Islamic world for Europe and Central America for the US), which they're already doing by the way, and then promote miscegenation?

What is the scientific formula for creating a slave? Is it two parts black, 1/4 Mexican and 1/3 vietnamese? Considering every race in human history has been enslaved, it seems kind of silly there actually exists a threshold for when mankind is suppose to be 100% obedient. Much less, if you're not targetting the dumbest IQ group to be your perfect slave, why have any threshold? Maybe 140 IQ half mixed Chinese people are the perfect slaves? Or why not 100 IQ half portuguese half germans? The Alt-Right must prove to me that any kind of mixed race group is suppose to be ideal for a new world order. Because nothing in science says that certain human beings will want to live as slaves forever. If you ever seen the movie Dejango,

I don't know about anti-white remarks from Merkel (but she has imported a million "refugees" a year into Germany during the Migrant Crisis), but both Biden and Trudeau have expressed anti-white sentimens out in the open. They obviously haven't literally said stuff like "fuck white peope", "white people are scum" or "white people should be exterminated", but they've both expressed that the historical European cultures of the US and Canada are racist and need to be reimagined, and they've admitted that whites are getting replaced and expressed joy over it.And white people still getting welfare isn't proof against the fact that there is an anti-white agenda either. In fact, although I personally support welfare, welfare is actually a very useful tool in the hands of the elites for bribing poor (white) people into poltically conceding on social issues (giving up their socially conservative and "racist" sentiments). If labor wasn't outsourced to the third world, cheap labor wasn't imported, and a university degree wasn't required for almost any job, a lot less people would be dependent on welfare in the first place. And white people nowadays might have a better life than ever before if material conditions are your only metric, but what does that mean if you're dying out as a race, losing more and more political power in your own countries and getting your culture destroyed? Also, are you really going to argue white people wouldn't be enjoying such good material conditions today if the elites wouldn't have started fucking with us? The West was well underway towards this ever-increasing standard of living far before the elites started fucking with us, and quality of life today probably would've been even higher if they were out of the picture.

The viewpoints expressed by Trudeau or Biden are equally shared with the millions of White voters who also put them in power. Keep in mind, these are White people who can be doctors, police officers or firefighters, so all the power is in their hands to make the lives of other white people unbearable, and yet we don't hear stories of White doctors deliberately killing white patients or White Firefighters letting every White family die in a fire. The Alt-Right must address the free will question. If White people in practically every Western country are fine voting for the same policies that make them a minority, how do you truly classify them as evil or prove their motives are based on harm? But at the same time, the wealth of Whites continues to grow, or that White people are enjoying less wars and conflicts than their ancestors did after two devastating world wars?

I can't speak on behalf of the entire "dissident right", although a lot of us in the "dissident right" probably share this sentiment, but what you've described doesn't sound too dissimilar to what's basically my worldview; wanting to make the world a better place for everyone, but without compromising on white interests. The best way to go about this is benevolent colonialism.

If we go with Colonialism, then I can easily see the Elites using the same arguments to control Western countries. They'll import non-white scientists or engineers who still manage to contribute to society while at the same time earning enough money to send back to their families and help them improve their own living conditions.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I need proof that propaganda can force someone to have sex with another human. Sorry, but if you can believe White people can build rocket ships, but they also have zero control over their penis, there's an implication that free will doesn't exist.

You didn't even interact with my arguments, because you're obviously too busy jerking off to your own talking points with the typical smug, anti-white snark added to it. Like I already said, the white people who do practice miscegenation are still a small minority, because they aren't literally forced to. No one is claiming white people are literally being forced to miscegenate, just that we're being bombarded with interracial propaganda (especially in commercials), which can't be denied.

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What is the scientific formula for creating a slave? Is it two parts black, 1/4 Mexican and 1/3 vietnamese? Considering every race in human history has been enslaved, it seems kind of silly there actually exists a threshold for when mankind is suppose to be 100% obedient. Much less, if you're not targetting the dumbest IQ group to be your perfect slave, why have any threshold? Maybe 140 IQ half mixed Chinese people are the perfect slaves? Or why not 100 IQ half portuguese half germans? The Alt-Right must prove to me that any kind of mixed race group is suppose to be ideal for a new world order. Because nothing in science says that certain human beings will want to live as slaves forever.

How is this in any way relevant? You're really pivoting like crazy. You were the one who brought up the "slave class" strawman crap, not me, and argued that the ideal slave class should be as dumb as possible, and that therefore if the elites wanted to create a "slave class" they'd import Australian Aboriginals instead of mestizos, pajeets and negroes. I merely pointed out how full of shit you are with that ridiculous bullshit argument. And obviously, if they're trying to create a "slave class", they almost certainly wouldn't be kept as literal slaves, just as very low wage wokers who will be kept calm by their Netflix after work, basically what is already happening but more extreme over a longer timespan.

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The viewpoints expressed by Trudeau or Biden are equally shared with the millions of White voters who also put them in power. Keep in mind, these are White people who can be doctors, police officers or firefighters, so all the power is in their hands to make the lives of other white people unbearable, and yet we don't hear stories of White doctors deliberately killing white patients or White Firefighters letting every White family die in a fire.

Because, obviously, of the white people who have anti-white biases, only a tiny minority actually deep down hates white people, and of that tiny minority, only a tiny minority are literal murderous sadistic psychotpaths who'd be willing to do disgusting shit like letting innocent white people burn alive or murdering white patients. Are you projecting something or what?

But actually, it isn't even true that most white people have an anti-white bias. In the US, 55% of white people feel discriminated against for being white, and in most western nations the majority of population is opposed to immigration (yet their politicians don't give a shit).

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The Alt-Right must address the free will question.

We mustn't nothing, you disgustig little freak. White people don't owe you anything. There's nothing wrong with us sticking up for our kind.

If we go with Colonialism, then I can easily see the Elites using the same arguments to control Western countries. They'll import non-white scientists or engineers who still manage to contribute to society while at the same time earning enough money to send back to their families and help them improve their own living conditions.

No, because unlike the elites that fuck with us, we don't intend to systematically replace the natives of colonized countries with white people, or pillage their economies, or publish constant propaganda about "black privilege" or "mestizo privilege", or put their women in commercials in relationships with white men.

It's more like, without our supervision, they're breeding like rabbits, living in extreme poverty and flooding our countries despite having recieved billions of development aid for decades, so we're gonna help them out but that also means we get to make their laws, restrict their procreation and make sure they stay the fuck away from our countries.

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PS: I should report your comments for participating in bad faith but I won't (for now at least) so people can laugh at you and join me in wiping the floor with you.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great responses.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Stop feeding the trolls

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a debate sub. He might be bumping up against the good faith rule by the tone of his responses but I don't see troll activity. Please report comments that you think are related to trolling so I can track them and kick him if warranted.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You didn't even interact with my arguments, because you're obviously too busy jerking off to your own talking points with the typical smug, anti-white snark added to it. Like I already said, the white people who do practice miscegenation are still a small minority, because they aren't literally forced to. No one is claiming white people are literally being forced to miscegenate, just that we're being bombarded with interracial propaganda (especially in commercials), which can't be denied.

Just a disclaimer: please don't call everyone who disagrees with you "anti-white". If I can go an entire discussion without calling you racist, then you should refrain from assuming my own politics. Now, white people are being bombarded with interracial propaganda? Instead of the more reasonable idea in which interracial couples exist and are apart of society? Bombard itself is also a strong word. Maybe travel to the Amish parts of the USA and ask the locals if they've seen any ads. If they say no, why not go live with them?

How is this in any way relevant? You're really pivoting like crazy. You were the one who brought up the "slave class" strawman crap, not me, and argued that the ideal slave class should be as dumb as possible, and that therefore if the elites wanted to create a "slave class" they'd import Australian Aboriginals instead of mestizos, pajeets and negroes. I merely pointed out how full of shit you are with that ridiculous bullshit argument. And obviously, if they're trying to create a "slave class", they almost certainly wouldn't be kept as literal slaves, just as very low wage wokers who will be kept calm by their Netflix after work, basically what is already happening but more extreme over a longer timespan.

It's not a strawman when alt-right circles entertain the idea race mixing only exists to create a more obedient ethnic group. Case and point: can you answer with a straight face you've never heard of Kalergi? And if the purpose was not to create the most docile race then what threshold even says mixing different people together makes them inferior? The examples of Africans or Indians run contradictory to this. At one point in history, Black Americans were murdered for attempting to even read a book. There was intense amount of brainwashing to believe God only created them so they could serve Europeans yet even after the disgusting amounts of torture and reckless murder, they always fought for their freedom. Indians are another group. They didn't want the British to rule over them and there was a constant attempt at resistance to get them out of their continent. I would argue that bringing these different races together is the absolute opposite of trying to subjugate them. Black people or Indians were brutally murdered for refusing to be slaves by subsets of people who taught they had to be genetically inferior, yet today they still refuse to ever go back in chains without a fight.

Because, obviously, of the white people who have anti-white biases, only a tiny minority actually deep down hates white people, and of that tiny minority, only a tiny minority are literal murderous sadistic psychotpaths who'd be willing to do disgusting shit like letting innocent white people burn alive or murdering white patients. Are you projecting something or what? But actually, it isn't even true that most white people have an anti-white bias. In the US, 55% of white people feel discriminated against for being white, and in most western nations the majority of population is opposed to immigration (yet their politicians don't give a shit).

How do you know all this information? White people are still voting for mass immigration in droves. Are we suppose to believe that Trudeau and Biden are somehow the worst scum, yet their power only exists because 50% of White population continue to approve their agenda with very little push back?

We mustn't nothing, you disgustig little freak. White people don't owe you anything. There's nothing wrong with us sticking up for our kind.

Who is the official spokesperson for White people? Or why does said voice of White people have to be Alt-Right? If we go by election numbers, Conservative or Liberal politicians who promote diversity are much bigger champions of white people than the 1% fringe parties that disagree? You can absolutely stick up for your kind but what I'm trying to tell you is, it already appears most White people have a stigma against far-right beliefs and are even repulsed at letting them dominate the national agenda. That's not an opinion, that's reality I'm trying to break to you now.

No, because unlike the elites that fuck with us, we don't intend to systematically replace the natives of colonized countries with white people, or pillage their economies, or publish constant propaganda about "black privilege" or "mestizo privilege", or put their women in commercials in relations with white men. It's more like, without our supervision, they're breeding like rabbits, living in extreme poverty and flooding our countries despite having recieved billions of development aid for decades, so we're gonna help them out but that also means we get to make their laws, restrict their procreation and make sure they stay the fuck away from our countries.

Your post is only 50% correct. Non-white countries have been invaded and had their governments replaced with dictators. The ones who did try to fight back where publicly humiliated or assassinated. I'm not extreme like Liberals who try and guilt this on all White people but try not to pin these other countries like they were given help without multiple strings attached. Even some countries that are recovering from poverty are still being affected by neo-colonial policies. Whether it's illegal over fishing off the coasts of Africa or the constant drone strikes on Middle Eastern families who did nothing wrong. It's not a surprise they find their ways into Western countries since their attempts at building their own have been sabotaged for centuries.

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Where do you get that Whites are voting for mass immigration?Are you aware that politicians like Trudeau have other stances that lure Whites to him?

For Biden, the majority of Whites still voted for Trump and more voted Republican.The media pushed the narrative he was a return to normal from Trump,demographic change,combine that with Trump's poor handling of the Pandemic and Biden's nature and image(amplified by the media).It assured his victory.Whites are waking up against mass immigration.The nationalistic right is gaining momentum, you can see this with AFD,Brexit,Trump,Le Pen,Salvini,Orban etc.Yes it's slow but that's mainly due to the establishment power the opposition has built up.

I agree with your stances on non white nations and if I was in charge of the US I would pour funding (with conditions such as a lowering of fertility rate and a pro climate strategy) into developing non white nations and end American imperialism.It would be a win win for both.Non White nations would develop faster and would be less likely to want to immigrate to White nations(though they outright would be blocked if I was in charge) and there fertility rates drop with development and liberalization.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Where do you get that Whites are voting for mass immigration?Are you aware that politicians like Trudeau have other stances that lure Whites to him?

Mass immigration is part of his platform. You are correct that he has other issues that may appeal to Whites, but when the man gets on TV and literally says "Diversity is our the greatest strength and I promise to increase it" you are subconsciously supporting it whether you like it or not.

Also, Trudeau was just elected a second time. If Whites didn't have a problem the first time he promised to open the floodgates, they still didn't care that his second term wants to go even farther with it.

For Biden, the majority of Whites still voted for Trump and more voted Republican.The media pushed the narrative he was a return to normal from Trump,demographic change,combine that with Trump's poor handling of the Pandemic and Biden's nature and image(amplified by the media).It assured his victory.Whites are waking up against mass immigration.The nationalistic right is gaining momentum, you can see this with AFD,Brexit,Trump,Le Pen,Salvini,Orban etc.Yes it's slow but that's mainly due to the establishment power the opposition has built up.

I explained to another user that Trump was never a White Nationalist. Yeah, the media gets a boner from calling him Hitler every two seconds, but Trump never once said he's going to make America majority White. He did take action against illegal immigrants, but he still approved millions of LEGAL ones under his watch. These are people who are from Jamaica, Mexico, China, India etc. All of them were made citizens and he didn't object to this.

In regards to nationalism gaining momentum, I agree its happening. But keep in mind there's a difference between CIVIC nationalism and White Nationalism. Hungary or Italy might lean closer to White Nationalism but Donald Trump or Boris Johnson are civic nationalists. They have no plans of deporting their non-white citizens, and I heavily doubt the next Republican or Tories will touch that pole either.

I agree with your stances on non white nations and if I was in charge of the US I would pour funding (with conditions such as a lowering of fertility rate and a pro climate strategy) into developing non white nations and end American imperialism.It would be a win win for both.Non White nations would develop faster and would be less likely to want to immigrate to White nations(though they outright would be blocked if I was in charge) and there fertility rates drop with development and liberalization

This is what I want too. Every nation would be better if they were economic dependent and can look after themselves.

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thats another factor, Whites are manipulated and lied to believe that diversity is a strength is a necessity. The goal of the nationalistic is to change that and we can one bit at a time. Countries like Canada are also entrenched with the Judeo-American sphere of influence which weakens the ability of nationalistic parties to rise.

You said in your earlier posts in this thread you think Trump is a fascist? Trump was under the influence of the establishment yes but immigration did objectively do down under him with policies like the travel ban for example and he has made attempts to decrease legal immigration but obstruction from the establishment prevented him. Civic nationalism is considered white nationalism by the modern dogmatic. Go to a reddit left wing subreddit and ask for their opinions on it. It is a stepping stone to true nationalism and far better than the status quo.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Explain how they're being lied to? Diversity is doing its job of strengthening the economy. I explained to another user that between White Nationalism and Immigration, Immigration is far more profitable. Many industries already exist just to move people around the planet. Now, I'm not bias and will admit you can equally make arguments against diversity or how it CAN be a weakness. But Trudeau or Biden were not lying about any positives they promoted. Diversity is doing its job to make these nations richer.

You said in your earlier posts in this thread you think Trump is a fascist? Trump was under the influence of the establishment yes but immigration did objectively do down under him with policies like the travel ban for example and he has made attempts to decrease legal immigration but obstruction from the establishment prevented him. Civic nationalism is considered white nationalism by the modern dogmatic. Go to a reddit left wing subreddit and ask for their opinions on it. It is a stepping stone to true nationalism and far better than the status quo.

This is where the Far-Left reveal themselves to be the other crazy. Civic Nationalists are definitely not Nazis. As for it being a step stone? That only depends if Conservatives agree to some kind of racial split. If the non-white Conservatives don't agree to it, then it's pointless.

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Strengthening the economy for the 1%.Whites have to compete with immigrants in housing and employment.Non whites bloc vote for parties against interests.For example the democrats and islamic parties in europe that have been strengthened by the migrant crisis. There are more I can't go into them right now.The goal of the nationalistic right is to awaken whites to the reality and severity of replacement and make them recognize no economy is worth ethnic replacement.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, those are the negatives to diversity. But they're not lying about the positives they also promised. And keep in mind, these are politicians. All of them are liars. Left, Right, even Centre. No one is ever going to be elected for speaking the truth all the time. We would live in a perfect world if honesty is what won elections. But that has never been the case.