A big flaw about white demographic change that can't be ignored.

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[–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

White people voted for mass immigration. They did last year, and the year before that, and the decades before that. Do you want to call your own race nefarious? After all, they are the closest thing to flesh and blood, yet they went to the polls and made sure Trudeau or Biden got in office and not Richard Spencer, or William Pierce or David duke. Again, whites everywhere in the West are going to the ballot box and keep ticking off Liberal or Conservative only. There's no way they believe in harming themselves like some kind of child playing with matches. They're grown adults and can think for themselves. And if that's what they want, the majority of white people have clearly spoken.

Regardless of anything else, yes people do vote for things that harm themselves, their children, and society at large in great numbers.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

If that's your opinion, I wont hold it against you. You're completely within your right to believe that.

From my own non-bias viewpoint, replacement migration can only be harmful, when you import a group or person who represents an immediate threat. A great example where the 9/11 terrorists. They had no hopes of assimilating and ultimately killed thousands for the little time they stayed in the U.S. Or importing people who carry a foreign virus. At least until they're quarantined and are deemed to not be superspreaders.

Now, applying these conditions to the arbitrary label of race is far more superfluous. Not every Italian person is born a serial killer, nor is every Asian person going to be some genius who just graduated Harvard. These are characteristics that can be applied to any group of humans rather than the notion that "if you import a certain race, you are expected to violently hurt yourself in the process". And I believe most White people who have ever gone to the polls understands this when they voted for immigration that is now making themselves minorities. They don't see a physical threat that comes with importing 300,000+ people a year who have to go through security and pass a naturalization test before they're allowed to reside in their borders. That's not to say out of these 300,000, some of these people may go on to be violent criminals or terrorists. But it becomes a gamble. Do you pass up the opportunity to import non-white people who can contribute greatly to society, or do you close the borders and stick with the people who already exist in America? But by doing the latter, it gives foreign countries the competitive edge to import the next Steve Jobs or Sundar Pichai and make themselves richer in the process. If America or Americans want to maintain their status as #1 most powerful country, then the argument becomes harder for why you would let these [successful] non-white people get swooped up by another country. Imagine if for example, Russia and China got all the foreign talent instead? Or if China controlled Google and Twitter? Then U.S dominance is immediately challenged and it becomes impossible to fight back economically.

[–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Now, applying these conditions to the arbitrary label of race is far more superfluous.

It's very straightforward to show the statistical effects of immigration on a group by group basis on things like employment, crime, social values etc. These have all had deleterious effects on the life outcomes of most white Americans.

And I believe most White people who have ever gone to the polls understands this when they voted for immigration that is now making themselves minorities.

Most Americans can barely pick out their country on a map, they have little idea of the complex social economic factors correlating with mass immigration. Nor where they given a choice about immigration - their choice was to vote for whatever candidates the oligarchic elite deign to present as an option. The politics of the elite and the commoner are incredibly different, that's why the system is so controlled and propagandized. Even a guy like Trump (who is an elite) and wanted relatively minor immigration reform was stymied by the deep state and attempted coups thrown at him.

Do you pass up the opportunity to import non-white people who can contribute greatly to society, or do you close the borders and stick with the people who already exist in America?

I pass it up. I cannot think of any immigrant from recent decades that has so greatly improved society that it justifies the effects of mass immigration.

But by doing the latter, it gives foreign countries the competitive edge to import the next Steve Jobs or Sundar Pichai and make themselves richer in the process. If America or Americans want to maintain their status as #1 most powerful country, then the argument becomes harder for why you would let these [successful] non-white people get swooped up by another country. Imagine if for example, Russia and China got all the foreign talent instead? Or if China controlled Google and Twitter?

I don't give a shit about America being the most powerful nation in the world. I sincerely hope it falls from that position. It has done nothing but murder masses of people and drive it's own people into poverty to embrace globalization since attaining that position. The tech oligarchs hate people like me and them amassing some grand wealth doesn't benefit me - just the opposite.

Then U.S dominance is immediately challenged and it becomes impossible to fight back economically.

The current economic paradigm is driving millions of white into poverty, suicide, migration while being told they are evil people because of the colour of their skin. The only thing the US is fighting for is to amass and concentrate wealth more into the urban centers for the international bourgeoise and capitalists and the only interest most of them for the welfare of the other people in the nation starts and ends at their paycheck.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's very straightforward to show the statistical effects of immigration on a group by group basis on things like employment, crime, social values etc. These have all had deleterious effects on the life outcomes of most white Americans.

What statistics shows this? Generally wealthier immigrants have not shown themselves to be bigger threats than Native born Americans who live in poor/violent communities. They're even likely to have the opposite effect. Rich immigrants comes and pays his taxes or opens a business that employs more Americans. I do think there's an argument that assimilation and personally vetting everyone who crosses the border is vital for a nation's health, instead of imposing no restrictions and thus terrorists or virus spreaders can walk inside with ease.

Most Americans can barely pick out their country on a map, they have little idea of the complex social economic factors correlating with mass immigration. Nor where they given a choice about immigration - their choice was to vote for whatever candidates the oligarchic elite deign to present as an option. The politics of the elite and the commoner are incredibly different, that's why the system is so controlled and propagandized. Even a guy like Trump (who is an elite) and wanted relatively minor immigration reform was stymied by the deep state and attempted coups thrown at him.

They have a choice dude. Since the 1950s, we had Segregationists/White Nationalists parade in public trying to rally together support from White people. Yet come voting day, they never cracked more than 1% of the total votes. Whether you want to blame this on poor strategy, the Jews or just flat out ignorance, Americans had all the time in the world to vote for anyone who could have said no to diversity and try and reverse it.

Similarly, the Far-Left wanted to run candidates like Bernie Sanders for President. Yet Democrats still keep giving him the finger and he lost twice to more Centrist candidates like Hillary and Biden. This doesn't mean Communists don't have a choice. It's more like their choices just don't ever win where it matters.

I pass it up. I cannot think of any immigrant from recent decades that has so greatly improved society that it justifies the effects of mass immigration.

One of the most famous of all was Albert Einstein, and all the other scientists that Nazi Germany kicked out but then found their home in the U.S. Whether or not you approved of their contributions, it's still hard to deny that there have been many immigrants that went on to be pop culture icons or helped bolster specific industries. https://www.buzzfeed.com/gabrielsanchez/american-icons-who-you-might-not-know-were-immigrants

I don't give a shit about America being the most powerful nation in the world. I sincerely hope it falls from that position. It has done nothing but murder masses of people and drive it's own people into poverty to embrace globalization since attaining that position. The tech oligarchs hate people like me and them amassing some grand wealth doesn't benefit me - just the opposite.

That's ok if you don't want the U.S to be the most powerful nation. Although there's a famous saying "be careful what you wish for". America's dominance is the reason democracy or freedom are actual real ideas instead of myths. If China or the Soviet Union held the throne instead, you can expect life to match those countries. But again, it's up to you if you're willing to sacrifice America's exceptionalism.

The current economic paradigm is driving millions of white into poverty, suicide, migration while being told they are evil people because of the colour of their skin. The only thing the US is fighting for is to amass and concentrate wealth more into the urban centers for the international bourgeoise and capitalists and the only interest most of them for the welfare of the other people in the nation starts and ends at their paycheck.

These arguments were used everytime a Socialist revolution broke out, only for regular citizens to end up starving or have a boot planted across their neck. Capitalism is not perfect and perhaps more can be done to try and regulate it, but ultimately, it's still the only system right now that manages to work. You are well within your right to reject this system, but understand it's a huge uphill battle to convince millions of other people to remove Capitalism. Heck, many people who immigrated to the U.S were already victims of Socialist regimes or fought in wars to stop it.

[–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

What statistics shows this? Generally wealthier immigrants have not shown themselves to be bigger threats than Native born Americans who live in poor/violent communities. They're even likely to have the opposite effect. Rich immigrants comes and pays his taxes or opens a business that employs more Americans. I do think there's an argument that assimilation and personally vetting everyone who crosses the border is vital for a nation's health, instead of imposing no restrictions and thus terrorists or virus spreaders can walk inside with ease.

The vast majority of immigrants are not wealthy "job creators". Even in areas like tech 99% of them are there to drive down wages, not because they are brilliant savants doing jobs average Joe is not capable of. I have worked in tech for many years and I'm fully aware that the vast majority of jobs don't need more than a 100 IQ or that the field is anything like fair for white people.

They have a choice dude. Since the 1950s, we had Segregationists/White Nationalists parade in public trying to rally together support from White people. Yet come voting day, they never cracked more than 1% of the total votes. Whether you want to blame this on poor strategy, the Jews or just flat out ignorance, Americans had all the time in the world to vote for anyone who could have said no to diversity and try and reverse it.

Americans do not vote on policies, they vote for candidates. These candidates are vetted by the institutions run and controlled by the elite. These candidates are supported by the worlds most sophisticated and powerful propaganda machine to funnel votes into the two party system controlled by capital. In the odd scenario where someone even slightly off the reservation attains national power like Trump (who was an elite and 90% of his policy was aimed at their benefit) they will be destroyed by the deep state.

Similarly, the Far-Left wanted to run candidates like Bernie Sanders for President. Yet Democrats still keep giving him the finger and he lost twice to more Centrist candidates like Hillary and Biden. This doesn't mean Communists don't have a choice. It's more like their choices just don't ever win where it matters.

Sanders is a milquetoast social democrat who very purposefully and obviously had the Democrat party apparatus shut down his campaigns in 2016 and 2020 through outright vote manipulation and controlled opposition (like Warren).

One of the most famous of all was Albert Einstein, and all the other scientists that Nazi Germany kicked out but then found their home in the U.S. Whether or not you approved of their contributions, it's still hard to deny that there have been many immigrants that went on to be pop culture icons or helped bolster specific industries. https://www.buzzfeed.com/gabrielsanchez/american-icons-who-you-might-not-know-were-immigrants

Why should I care? Is some parasite like Sundar Pichai a great boon to American society because...he helped build the technocracy that would gladly drone strike and silence people like me?

That's ok if you don't want the U.S to be the most powerful nation. Although there's a famous saying "be careful what you wish for". America's dominance is the reason democracy or freedom are actual real ideas instead of myths. If China or the Soviet Union held the throne instead, you can expect life to match those countries. But again, it's up to you if you're willing to sacrifice America's exceptionalism.

No one cares. The masses of immigrants you support do not give a shit about freedom of speech or the bill of rights or whatever. They are here for a paycheck and if the technocracy destroys some white losers life for saying the wrong words in public why should they give a shit? You are arguing for a country which no longer exists and people like you helped destroy it.

These arguments were used everytime a Socialist revolution broke out, only for regular citizens to end up starving or have a boot planted across their neck. Capitalism is not perfect and perhaps more can be done to try and regulate it, but ultimately, it's still the only system right now that manages to work. You are well within your right to reject this system, but understand it's a huge uphill battle to convince millions of other people to remove Capitalism. Heck, many people who immigrated to the U.S were already victims of Socialist regimes or fought in wars to stop it.

I don't expect to convince anyone. I expect to see people further immiserated, impoverished, more white suicides, more low IQ race mixed retards, more immigrants, further entrenchment of white hatred in the culture, and well the list goes on. The US will be an uglier, dumber, worse place to live and I expect people like you to be waving a little flag and cheering it on so you can jack off about the idea of Pradesh the immigrant making 200k while Joe Whitey overdoses on fentanyl in some economically dead midwestern town.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The vast majority of immigrants are not wealthy "job creators". Even in areas like tech 99% of them are there to drive down wages, not because they are brilliant savants doing jobs average Joe is not capable of. I have worked in tech for many years and I'm fully aware that the vast majority of jobs don't need more than a 100 IQ or that the field is anything like fair for white people.

Most people in general are not job creators, but the ones who do come across as wealthy or innovative are clearly valuable. I don't disagree that huge amounts of immigration brings down wages but it's also a double edge sword. Keeping food cheap often relies on people doing back breaking labor for long hours. And without enough White people to go down and work those fields, immigration was used to keep up with demand.

Americans do not vote on policies, they vote for candidates. These candidates are vetted by the institutions run and controlled by the elite. These candidates are supported by the worlds most sophisticated and powerful propaganda machine to funnel votes into the two party system controlled by capital. In the odd scenario where someone even slightly off the reservation attains national power like Trump (who was an elite and 90% of his policy was aimed at their benefit) they will be destroyed by the deep state.

Then the onus is on the Far-Left and Far-Right to somehow infiltrate this system and get their candidates to win the polls. But that leads to an interesting question. How can there exist an all powerful Communist or Nazi conspiracy, if the Elites don't want either group in power? Wouldn't this actually prove for a fact that it's Moderates who secretly run the show?

Sanders is a milquetoast social democrat who very purposefully and obviously had the Democrat party apparatus shut down his campaigns in 2016 and 2020 through outright vote manipulation and controlled opposition (like Warren).

Shouldn't you be happy for this? Sanders and the far-left are your enemy, yet Democrats refuse to even let someone more Liberal assume control of the country? Otherwise, the alternative you're telling me is America should be allowed to vote for Communist Presidents whose agenda will invoke actual white genocide?

Why should I care? Is some parasite like Sundar Pichai a great boon to American society because...he helped build the technocracy that would gladly drone strike and silence people like me?

You were never going to care since you already revealed your true feelings of not wanting the U.S to have dominance. At least understand there are valid reasons for why millions of people would think differently from you on this subject with the reasons being provided in this thread.

No one cares. The masses of immigrants you support do not give a shit about freedom of speech or the bill of rights or whatever. They are here for a paycheck and if the technocracy destroys some white losers life for saying the wrong words in public why should they give a shit? You are arguing for a country which no longer exists and people like you helped destroy it.

Don't confuse the media for free speech. I mean, it was literally Conservatives who pushed the argument first that "Private Businesses have a right to refuse service". It's natural we see this argument now be taken up by tech giants who clearly see a use for it. As for immigrants not caring about the constitution, look what happened last month. Trump ordered an insurrection that was all about overturning a legal election using the same rules created by the founding fathers. If you believe Democrats are the party of immigrants or that more immigrants voted for them, shouldn't they have joined in on the protest and watch democracy fall?

I don't expect to convince anyone. I expect to see people further immiserated, impoverished, more white suicides, more low IQ race mixed retards, more immigrants, further entrenchment of white hatred in the culture, and well the list goes on. The US will be an uglier, dumber, worse place to live and I expect people like you to be waving a little flag and cheering it on so you can jack off about the idea of Pradesh the immigrant making 200k while Joe Whitey overdoses on fentanyl in some economically dead midwestern town.

The fantasy that America is somehow becoming worse is scientifically false. The 1990s had far more violence and divorce cases than what is happening today. The U.S continues to spend a lot of money on defense, or science and technology. That's not doom and gloom for white people. Maybe politicians can do more to help White Americans, but this argument technically extends to all races that live there. And once you reach that conclusion, what exactly becomes the purpose of White Nationalism?

You desire not seeing White people suffer. Ok, we can agree to that belief. But what if I want black or Indian or hispanics to have a better life as well? The country doesn't implode, and it even becomes stronger now that more people are healthy and find common ground to work towards a better future.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Most people in general are not job creators, but the ones who do come across as wealthy or innovative are clearly valuable. I don't disagree that huge amounts of immigration brings down wages but it's also a double edge sword. Keeping food cheap often relies on people doing back breaking labor for long hours. And without enough White people to go down and work those fields, immigration was used to keep up with demand.

We are a massively obese nation producing far more food than we need, yet it was necessary to keep prices as low possible (or was it to drive small holders out of business in favor of corporations?) via massively exploited labour?

Then the onus is on the Far-Left and Far-Right to somehow infiltrate this system and get their candidates to win the polls. But that leads to an interesting question. How can there exist an all powerful Communist or Nazi conspiracy, if the Elites don't want either group in power? Wouldn't this actually prove for a fact that it's Moderates who secretly run the show?

There is no conspiracy, liberal capitalism (what you call "moderates") is plainly what runs and owns the nation in the interest of the elite. You are mistaken if you think some shadowy Jewish conspiracy is necessary to form a right wing world view or explain the current world from that perspective.

Shouldn't you be happy for this? Sanders and the far-left are your enemy, yet Democrats refuse to even let someone more Liberal assume control of the country? Otherwise, the alternative you're telling me is America should be allowed to vote for Communist Presidents whose agenda will invoke actual white genocide?

Sanders isn't far left. He is completely indistinguishable from liberalism on things like race and immigration. At least things like universal healthcare and better wages might benefit white communities which is more than you can say for someone like Biden. Not that I believe Sanders was capable of implementing those things even if he had won.

However this is digression from the main point - he was clearly cheated out of winning the nomination by the party system. Neither Trump or Sanders are really that far from the existing system, yet they were destroyed by it because any notable variance is a threat to the elite. Democracy only exists within the confines of what the elite allow.

Don't confuse the media for free speech. I mean, it was literally Conservatives who pushed the argument first that "Private Businesses have a right to refuse service". It's natural we see this argument now be taken up by tech giants who clearly see a use for it.

Most conservatives are retards who gladly walked hand in hand with liberalism and corporations to destroy the country. Free speech being totally destroyed in a public context because you can slap "private property" on the machines that control society means your values and movement are dogshit. American conservatives have lost, their country is dead, they have only to wake up to real world. What exists now is some valueless and identityless (beyond a paycheck) multicultural nation where rights end at the point it becomes inconvenient to liberal capitalism and white communities that refuse to prostrate themselves before their liberal urban neighbours are to be ground out.

As for immigrants not caring about the constitution, look what happened last month. Trump ordered an insurrection that was all about overturning a legal election using the same rules created by the founding fathers. If you believe Democrats are the party of immigrants or that more immigrants voted for them, shouldn't they have joined in on the protest and watch democracy fall?

A protest getting into the capital is not what a coup looks like. They were a bunch of powerless losers who temporarily scared the vampires in congress. There was no mechanism or chance they would overturn the election and their demands were basically for recounts or investigations of possibly manipulated votes.

What a coup looks like is when the deep state acts to remove elected officials - i.e. the complete fabrication of evidence from CIA sources and media leading to the "Russian" conspiracy.

An easy way to see how hopelessly controlled by propaganda the country is that a protest by commoners making it into congress is damned as a catastrophic insurrection while an actual attempted coup by the elite is either largely forgotten or still celebrated by liberals who label themselves defender of democracy.

The fantasy that America is somehow becoming worse is scientifically false. The 1990s had far more violence and divorce cases than what is happening today. The U.S continues to spend a lot of money on defense, or science and technology. That's not doom and gloom for white people. Maybe politicians can do more to help White Americans, but this argument technically extends to all races that live there.

If you like numbers here are a few for you - a massive spike in white suicides, drug use, broken families, infertility, declining population numbers, outgroup preferences etc.

And once you reach that conclusion, what exactly becomes the purpose of White Nationalism?

Fighting back against the destruction of white communities and the systems of propaganda and control that promote it.

You desire not seeing White people suffer. Ok, we can agree to that belief. But what if I want black or Indian or hispanics to have a better life as well? The country doesn't implode, and it even becomes stronger now that more people are healthy and find common ground to work towards a better future.

If the last year didn't wake you up nothing will.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

We are a massively obese nation producing far more food than we need, yet it was necessary to keep prices as low possible (or was it to drive small holders out of business in favor of corporations?) via massively exploited labour?

Curtailing obesity could come in better forms of encouraging people to eat more healthier foods, or regulating sugar content. Also, look at obesity breakdowns by ethnic or cultural groups. Are Asian Americans or Amish Americans suffering from high obese rates, yet still enjoy the benefits of seeing grocery store shelves fully stocked?

There is no conspiracy, liberal capitalism (what you call "moderates") is plainly what runs and owns the nation in the interest of the elite. You are mistaken if you think some shadowy Jewish conspiracy is necessary to form a right wing world view or explain the current world from that perspective.

If moderates are what run the country, then honestly, I rather support such a system. At least it means any Elite group can eventually be reasoned with because their political allegiance match the majority of citizens whereas far-left and far-right remain in fringe territory every election day.

Sanders isn't far left. He is completely indistinguishable from liberalism on things like race and immigration. At least things like universal healthcare and better wages might benefit white communities which is more than you can say for someone like Biden. Not that I believe Sanders was capable of implementing those things even if he had won.

Sanders policies are closer to bankrupting the country while handing off more power to extremists within the Democratic Party that do lean closer to Socialism/Communism. At least with Biden, we already know his politics considering he served under the Obama administration. And by today's standards, Obama actually had some centre-right ideas (i.e, originally opposed gay marriage, and he even deported more illegal immigrants than Trump did). Obviously he's not perfect, but it's better than giving the reigns to Comrade Lenin who would seriously try to seize your means of productions.

Most conservatives are retards who gladly walked hand in hand with liberalism and corporations to destroy the country. Free speech being totally destroyed in a public context because you can slap "private property" on the machines that control society means your values and movement are dogshit. American conservatives have lost, their country is dead, they have only to wake up to real world. What exists now is some valueless and identityless (beyond a paycheck) multicultural nation where rights end at the point it becomes inconvenient to liberal capitalism and white communities that refuse to prostrate themselves before their liberal urban neighbours are to be ground out.

Nobody is forced to use twitter to express themselves. The real failure comes from glorifying these companies or putting them on a pedestal that free speech must have originated from them. Ditch social media or stop giving these companies your money. Because they literally survive off outrage and media clicks.

A protest getting into the capital is not what a coup looks like. They were a bunch of powerless losers who temporarily scared the vampires in congress. There was no mechanism or chance they would overturn the election and their demands were basically for recounts or investigations of possibly manipulated votes. What a coup looks like is when the deep state acts to remove elected officials - i.e. the complete fabrication of evidence from CIA sources and media leading to the "Russian" conspiracy. An easy way to see how hopelessly controlled by propaganda the country is that a protest by commoners making it into congress is damned as a catastrophic insurrection while an actual attempted coup by the elite is either largely forgotten or still celebrated by liberals who label themselves defender of democracy.

The "protest" came with a lot of intimidation and threats. The FBI put out a wanted poster for a person who clearly carried zipties with him (trying to take hostages)? There's also the incident of a police officer who was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. Just because the coup failed, doesn't mean they weren't trying to change the election outcome. Trump himself pushed the stolen election claim, long after the courts threw out all his cases. There wasn't a serious call to accept Biden had legally won Presidency until it was too late. But regardless, all the immigrants who wanted to tear down the USA or its constitution had their opening. Yet it was only the Pro-Trump side who actually acted on it on January 6th.

If you like numbers here are a few for you - a massive spike in white suicides, drug use, broken families, infertility, declining population numbers, outgroup preferences etc.

These are arguments that liberals can actually make they aim on solving. Like declining population numbers, they're obviously aware that the U.S situation has turned to immigration to keep the numbers up. Or with suicides, they believe in doing something to improve the mental health system. Will it work? Who knows, but there's more nuance than just trying to paint the country as only sliding into a decline.

Fighting back against the destruction of white communities and the systems of propaganda and control that promote it.

And if White nationalism doesn't fix it, what comes next? Or what if What Nationalism is used to destroy another community, as was the case with Jim Crow and other historical white supremacist policies? It comes across as trading one evil for another evil.

If the last year didn't wake you up nothing will.

Last year when the country held together, and only Trump and the insurrectionists tried to push for the opposite? Well, he was stopped and is now completely stripped of President so it can't happen again...

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If moderates are what run the country, then honestly, I rather support such a system. At least it means any Elite group can eventually be reasoned with because their political allegiance match the majority of citizens whereas far-left and far-right remain in fringe territory every election day.

Public opinion is controlled and manipulated by the elite via media apparatus. Popular ideas that the elite don't care for but can't entirely be extinguish are either ignored or given some token compromise to mollify them.

It's a liberal capitalist order that dictates how the country is run. You could label them moderate or centrist if you want but mostly those are meaningless terms - the US has killed millions of people around the world in wars while domestically it evolves into surveillance police state. The social fabric is torn apart in pursuit of profit and "social progressivism", leaving a chaotic, infertile, society in its wake.

Sanders policies are closer to bankrupting the country while handing off more power to extremists within the Democratic Party that do lean closer to Socialism/Communism. At least with Biden, we already know his politics considering he served under the Obama administration. And by today's standards, Obama actually had some centre-right ideas (i.e, originally opposed gay marriage, and he even deported more illegal immigrants than Trump did). Obviously he's not perfect, but it's better than giving the reigns to Comrade Lenin who would seriously try to seize your means of productions.

Sanders policies are indistinguishable from most of the rest of the social democrat world which is neither bankrupt or some extreme leftist. This is just propaganda.

The "protest" came with a lot of intimidation and threats. The FBI put out a wanted poster for a person who clearly carried zipties with him (trying to take hostages)? There's also the incident of a police officer who was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. Just because the coup failed, doesn't mean they weren't trying to change the election outcome. Trump himself pushed the stolen election claim, long after the courts threw out all his cases. There wasn't a serious call to accept Biden had legally won Presidency until it was too late.

Mostly propaganda https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-false-and-exaggerated-claims

There's 0 evidence it was an attempt at a coup and not a protest that managed to get (allowed into?) into congress.

A protest is not what a coup looks like. The deep state manufacturing a scandal ("Russia gate") to try and impeach a President is what a coup looks like. Most peoples brains are rotten, unable to comprehend the extent of the propaganda or the nature of their own rulers.

But regardless, all the immigrants who wanted to tear down the USA or its constitution had their opening. Yet it was only the Pro-Trump side who actually acted on it on January 6th.

Why would they? They come here by the millions, completely transforming many parts of the country ethnically in only a few decades. The current paradigm is extremely favorable to their interests.

These are arguments that liberals can actually make they aim on solving. Like declining population numbers, they're obviously aware that the U.S situation has turned to immigration to keep the numbers up. Or with suicides, they believe in doing something to improve the mental health system. Will it work? Who knows, but there's more nuance than just trying to paint the country as only sliding into a decline.

The ruling liberal capitalist class does not care. In fact, they're overjoyed at the idea of destroying conservative white Americans as notable ethnic group that might be capable of opposing their interests or spawning some reactionary movement. That's why the massive economic destruction, awful fertility rates, drug spread etc rural white communities is barely noted as a concern while they spend their time worshipping black culture and promoting outgroup preference among whites.

And if White nationalism doesn't fix it, what comes next? Or what if What Nationalism is used to destroy another community, as was the case with Jim Crow and other historical white supremacist policies? It comes across as trading one evil for another evil.

Then perhaps it would be best to simply separate ethnic groups out into their own nations. If my only options are to watch globalists grind my people into poverty and replacement or separation, I will obviously choose the latter. There no longer exists any reason for many white people to continue to be a part of a country which operates against their own interests.

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Public opinion is controlled and manipulated by the elite via media apparatus. Popular ideas that the elite don't care for but can't entirely be extinguish are either ignored or given some token compromise to mollify them. It's a liberal capitalist order that dictates how the country is run. You could label them moderate or centrist if you want but mostly those are meaningless terms - the US has killed millions of people around the world in wars while domestically it evolves into surveillance police state. The social fabric is torn apart in pursuit of profit and "social progressivism", leaving a chaotic, infertile, society in its wake.

This might sound like a fallacy, but I don't see what makes Far-Left and Far-Right more popular ideas than say... the Green Party. Or Ancaps. In fact, fringe parties only seem to take power when they overthrow the system. Or in the cases of Communism, they act as short term solutions to an immediate problem, but then fail again in the long term.

Regardless of any injustice caused by the current liberal capitalist order, it's a lesser evil when compared to ideas that start a world war or create mass food shortages.

Sanders policies are indistinguishable from most of the rest of the social democrat world which is neither bankrupt or some extreme leftist. This is just propaganda.

Under U.S context, the push for free healthcare or free college are in fact, trillion dollar losses. The reason the other countries are not bankrupt is because they benefit greatly from having the U.S military protect them.

Mostly propaganda https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-false-and-exaggerated-claims There's 0 evidence it was an attempt at a coup and not a protest that managed to get (allowed into?) into congress.

It's hard to take the protest claims seriously when Trump himself denied the election results to the very end. Are we suppose to believe he was just pretending to be retarded and got people killed because he really wanted Biden to gain power? Wouldn't you do the exact opposite and... not protest violently?

Why would they? They come here by the millions, completely transforming many parts of the country ethnically in only a few decades. The current paradigm is extremely favorable to their interests.

The current paradigm has only existed for a couple of months. Before that, Trump was in power for 4 years yet I don't recall immigrants storming the Capital Building in 2017.

The ruling liberal capitalist class does not care. In fact, they're overjoyed at the idea of destroying conservative white Americans as notable ethnic group that might be capable of opposing their interests or spawning some reactionary movement. That's why the massive economic destruction, awful fertility rates, drug spread etc rural white communities is barely noted as a concern while they spend their time worshipping black culture and promoting outgroup preference among whites.

Woah woah woah. "Massive economic destruction". No please, the USA is still in fact the richest country on earth. I brought up Bernie Sanders as a real example of a politician who could actually damage that, yet you admitted the Elites don't want him anywhere near the lever of power.

Then perhaps it would be best to simply separate ethnic groups out into their own nations. If my only options are to watch globalists grind my people into poverty and replacement or separation, I will obviously choose the latter. There no longer exists any reason for many white people to continue to be a part of a country which operates against their own interests.

Racial separation is a valid topic. But as a means of carving up the American continent to create a white's only superstate, it can't work. Too many nonwhites live in practically every state in America, and I highly suspect they're not going to voluntarily uproot themselves or even sell their property to support a separatist movement.

A better and more realistic chance at white preservation comes in the form of moving to existing white countries in Europe. Plenty exist already so there's no excuse why Latvia or Iceland can't serve as the new all white headquarters.