As the truth is revealed, instead of waking up, Whites go into a coma

submitted by AFutureConcern from self.debatealtright

When I discovered Alt-Right thought, I found that I agreed with most of it. Far from being "extreme", my own views of race realism and sex realism (that they are real and partly contribute to behavior), that I considered obvious common sense, are what apparently makes the movement "extreme".

Plenty of my normie friends accept human biodiversity. They don't think it's extreme. They think gender self-id is stupid and have no idea men are pushing to be in women's sports. They of course think that race is real - the idea that it has no biological basis is stupid for them. They accept that of course some groups will do better in some things, it's just natural!

This gave me hope - maybe people can "wake up" finally and realize that when "white supremacy" is attacked, we're actually just regular people like them who simply took common-sense beliefs to their logical conclusion. When they see that the "far-right" aren't uber-capitalist ultra-authoritarians who hate all other groups and want to oppress and enslave them, but rather they are common-sense folk who simply object to anti-white hatred and woke nonsense - they will see the light and join our side.

The truth of what the left calls "white supremacy" has been revealed these past couple of months. It literally just means normal, everyday things like showing up to work on time, liking country music and honoring great men of the past. It means using the term "blacklist". It means thinking it's OK to dress up in a costume as Barack Obama. It means enjoying country walks with your family.

I was naive. Instead of realizing that their very way of life is under attack, and that we were the reasonable ones who were right all along, they are now setting fire to their own institutions and saying they have to be decolonized and destroyed. They think liberalism is "white supremacy". They think discrimination against whites is justified and good. They really do think that "It's okay to be white" is a hateful slogan, not because they think it masks some underlying conviction, but because they really do think it's not okay to be white.

Am I right here in my blackpilled assessment? Have normie whites understood our position and still rejected it? Or is there an awakening happening among whites where they are regaining their racial consciousness?

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[–]Hobbes44 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

‘Whiteness’ is just a made-up concept that describes dozens of distinct ethnicities and cultures.

Anyone saying otherwise is deluding themselves and simply trying to push a failed ideology.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can deconstruct anything that way, you're not really adding anything. Ethnicity and culture can be deconstructed the same way too, you can go this way ad infinitum, and it really doesn't matter.

Just turn it around, whiteness is as real as blackness, so why are they saying "Black Lives Matter"? Will you mock the concept of blackness the same way you do with whiteness?

[–]paranoid_android3 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Red is just a made-up concept that describes dozens of hues, saturations and values. But when you say red everyone knows what you mean in general.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, white people are measurably close to one another genetically. You're denying science on ideological grounds.

[–]sineavec 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Whites, Europeans are systematically attacked and demonized. We come from real families, like anybody we want a good future for ourselves and our future generations. 'Whiteness' is an impersonal way to address/think about us, it is a way to practice/bring about evil while not letting sentiment, real feelings get in the way.

I agree with some of your words regarding abstaining from hate and complaint. But, you are coming across as extremely dishonest.

[–]Hobbes44 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Admitting that whiteness is just used as an ideological cudgel is not the convincing argument that you think it is.

[–]sineavec 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

'Whiteness' is an impersonal way to facilitate a systematic, genocidal attack on Whites, Europeans. It is also means to identify an enemy, to draw a line in the sand. On one side is our elites. On the other side, are like I said, Europeans who come from real families, with real hopes of a better future. Saying 'Whiteness' cannot begin to define the Good and Evil taking place. This war is down-to-earth. One must get one's head out of the clouds.

[–]antireddit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess Native American is a made up concept too then, since they were divided into different tribes that spoke different languages?

<‘Whiteness’ is just a made-up concept that describes dozens of distinct ethnicities and cultures.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Whites can have distinct sub cultures and still have a broader shared lineage. This isnt a hard concept to grasp, but denying it is a well known Jewish tactic meant to divide and conquer. Forensic experts readily identify badly decomposed bodies as white, black or Asian based on anatomical distinctions and DNA analysis.

[–]paranoid_android3 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

It means European, but you knew that. Everyone knows who's White when it comes time to hand out diversity bonus points.

What is your distinct ethnicity and culture?

To be honest, as an American, I'm about as White as it gets, i.e. a true Euro-Mutt. I'm not English or German or French or Swedish, but a blur of all of them. I'm White. Deal with it.

[–]Hobbes44 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Europe is a landmass

[–]paranoid_android3 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, that's how evolution works. Organisms that occupy areas of land evolve into different subspecies and then different species. Europeans are literally evolved for Europe. Africans for Africa. Fish for water. The selective pressures of living in Africa and Europe are vastly different. Europeans must think ahead or will die next winter. Africans can just wing it every day. Africans and Europeans evolved completely separately for over 100,000 years. Same with Native Americans who were isolated after coming from China 20,000 years ago.

[–]Blork5D 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm White.

You might even have some North African, Arab and black too for all we know. With any luck, your grandchildren may have some benefits of heterosis due to mixed ancestry as well.

[–]sineavec 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_on_Earth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil

[–]Blork6D 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Brazil would be a much better country if it was organized according to the societal hierarchy with modern psychometrics as I've discussed already. Besides that, Brazil isn't a good example because one, the world would still have unique or semi-unique races (up to the people and their freedom to choose who to marry). Two, the world would have a different genetic mix than what is limited to Brazil.

[–]frodo-baggins 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

White American identity is pan-European. Just like Black American identity is pan-African. This is plainly obvious.

Deconstructivism is a retarded argument that will get you nowhere. Did you know that the planets Uranus and Jupiter originated from dust in the same nebula that formed all our solar system? If Jupiterians were oppressing or murdering Uranusians, would it matter if the lines were a little blurred? Would you tell Uranusians not to worry about the doom of their people, because their identity doesnt exist anyway?

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

'White' isn't an ideology. It's an identity. Insofar as it's connected to an ideology: it's connected to a tremendously successful one, which was directly responsible for America's historic success. It was a necessary compromise for a nation of European immigrants of diverse backgrounds and religions.

People thought that they could go beyond that European limit and expand the melting pot. Turns out there's limits to it. But the failure wasn't of the white identity, but the bizarre 'We're-all-Americans' multicultural identity people tried to replace it with.

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was naive. Instead of realizing that their very way of life is under attack, and that we were the reasonable ones who were right all along, they are now setting fire to their own institutions and saying they have to be decolonized and destroyed.

I think what's happening is the usual bit: white leftists are using blacks and 'black issues' as proxies to push their own, largely self-interested ideological agendas. Jews as well, but there's no denying there are white people involved with this, and what they're tearing down aren't "their own institutions", but white institutions they are ideologically opposed to.

If anything has changed, it's that the corporations (largely controlled by ideological leftists) have forcefully gone all-in with the BLM mantra. Normally, in events like these, you can count on the GOP to give some token pushback. But the GOP is entirely servile to corporations - period. They are tremendously reluctant to take to task even the most hostile or vile left-wing corporations, because at the end of the day, corporations not only make or break political campaigns, but provide opportunities for politicians after they exit "public service", as well as for their children.

For most people, coming to a novel realization is just not possible. They need to encounter an idea somehow, hopefully in a palatable form.

Which is exactly what corporations and activists have been trying to radically reduce access to for a while now.

So no, I think your assessment is wrong. When people go to war against 'whiteness', 99 out of 100 times, 'whiteness' just so happens to be the term they use for something they hate and have always hated and would continue to do so even if there wasn't a single black in existence. Blacks are an excuse, not the real reason they do what they're doing.

[–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The truth of what the left calls "white supremacy" has been revealed these past couple of months. It literally just means normal, everyday things like showing up to work on time, liking country music and honoring great men of the past. It means using the term "blacklist". It means thinking it's OK to dress up in a costume as Barack Obama. It means enjoying country walks with your family.

I don't think the leftist or the normie sees it this way. They don't think that "white supremacy" is those things concretely, they think that doing those things reinforces "white supremacy" which they think of as a kind of abstraction, like terror in the phrase "War on Terror". So when some harpy preaches that "The word blacklist is racist because it equates blackness with badness", the normie thinks "OMG, she's right. I don't want to be a bad guy, and it's a small change that will help us reveal the Divine Equality." The normie liberal swallows it whole, so he caves. The normie conservative says that black(the color) is not the same thing as Black(the race), but agrees with everything else, so he caves. We say that there is no Divine Equality to be revealed, so to us it's all lunacy.

The point is that in the normie mind there is still a disconnect between all the concrete things they are now supposed to do or not do, and the abstraction of "white supremacy". Instead of thinking "These people must be insane - there's no way such innocent activities make you Hitler", they think "Any little thing to help fight the specter!". You might try pressing them hard on what exactly "white supremacy" supposedly is. Make them put it in concrete terms, not nebulous hand-waving.

[–]Aureus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are the people advocating for decolonization the same "normie friends" you describe earlier on?