Why is the UK "Terf Island"?

DorothyGale · 2021-09-15T14:05:59+00:00

That is a dreadful thread full of nonsense which appears to have been written by someone who doesn't understand Britain at all.

DorothyGale · 2021-08-11T16:50:16+00:00

Yes, as someone said above she may be culpable and certainly may be a horrible person but in the end the act itself was committed by Chris and therefore, he is responsible for it. I think things he wrote to Null demonstrate he knew what he was doing was wrong.

DorothyGale · 2021-08-11T16:46:40+00:00

Oh? How did she make him do it? Forced him at gunpoint? Was she there? Or did he do it himself, several times.

Here's a fucking newsflash even if someone suggested it to him HE is still responsible because HE is the one who committed the act. Strangely not every atrocious thing men do is attributable to a woman, no matter how hard that narrative is pushed REPEATEDLY.

Yes I am MATI.

DorothyGale · 2021-05-08T13:19:12+00:00

Good for the women of LSA. They get straight to the point. I love those women on there.

DorothyGale · 2021-04-10T15:10:08+00:00

No mention of the crisis of violence against women which has been going on since forever? No? Fuck off Joe.

DorothyGale · 2021-01-30T15:04:54+00:00

lol.

Been there :O

DorothyGale · 2021-01-24T19:19:52+00:00

Ooo good post - I'm going to look those books up.

DorothyGale · 2021-01-15T15:03:57+00:00

"This mentality that absolutely everything has to be all inclusive or it's evil/transphobic is bullshit. Men can have clubs/groups separate from women, doesn't mean the group is inherently sexist, same for women. Taking away the ability to gather based on shared enjoyments or experiences in the name of making everyone feel welcome and "valid" (anyone else REALLY hate that word anymore?) is ridiculous."

Yes, yes, yes! Well said.

DorothyGale · 2021-01-15T15:01:01+00:00

When I used Reddit upvotes and downvotes were irrelevant to me. I've used forums where that kind of validation was non existent unless it was in a responding post. I always think it is more of a futile attempt at power. I don't give a damn if people disagree with me - it is their right (and I obviously think they are wrong ;-) ). The bigger issue with Reddit is the deleting of posts so the conversation is ridiculously bias and nothing more than a validation chamber of agreement. There is no discussion.

This question is never posed about whether trans people, men or disabled people should have their own private spaces to talk about issues relevant to them, it is always women. Here's the answer; all those people should be able to have spaces where they can talk to people going through the same as them and so should females. Exclusion isn't always a bad thing, sometimes it is necessary e.g cancer support groups aren't going to help you recovering from losing a leg and they won't appreciate you soliciting help for that. I'm sick and tired of this narrative that inclusion at all costs is desirable or necessary. Now I'm off to force the Russian Olympic gymnastics team to include me despite the fact I am old, fat, not remotely bendy and have no training. I'll let you know how it goes.

DorothyGale · 2021-01-15T14:52:13+00:00

Is it unethical to have trans only spaces?

DorothyGale · 2021-01-05T14:37:18+00:00

That's the information and intelligence level I have come to expect from Reddit. So colour me unsurprised. What a bunch of copeium.

DorothyGale · 2020-11-03T12:28:28+00:00

Apparently 4 in 10 US adults are blithering idiots.

DorothyGale · 2020-10-20T12:57:55+00:00

The title - lol

DorothyGale · 2020-09-29T13:18:54+00:00

This thread title is awesome.

That is all.

DorothyGale · 2020-09-29T09:43:16+00:00

You should really concentrate more on your mental health issues than policing what women say Vintologi. It would be better all round if you did in the long run.

DorothyGale · 2020-09-29T09:39:26+00:00

Yes, I agree the way the police and media handled it was shocking, that right to privacy had the potential to truly endanger women and the public should have been correctly informed. It really does serve to highlight the problems with self ID.

DorothyGale · 2020-09-29T09:33:03+00:00

I found one of the replies interesting "The only abuse I experienced was from transgender professionals calling me delusional, female and refusing/delaying help in returning to my birth gender."

Anyway, I feel some sympathy but only a limited amount; this person is an adult man and he was capable of making his own health decisions. Yes the healthcare and mental health system is and has been failing people in this area but lets face it this didn't happen without a significant push from trans lobbyists. It is what they demanded. I suspect this man stomped the odd foot or two himself with Reddit trans behind him egging him on every step of the way - he doesn't seem to be blaming them as well. I feel more sympathy for his family who have no doubt been through hell and for younger people going through this who need people to guide them. Yes there have been fundamental failures in the system but I don't feel that sorry for middle aged adult men who put their entire families through monumental crap who are now tired of hair removal. Accept some responsibility man, you put your fetish before your family and now it is too much effort for you to maintain. Remember this IS an adult, who made adult decisions and probably shouted down the people who disagreed with him.

DorothyGale · 2020-09-28T17:39:44+00:00

I thought you were restrained. They really are the Gestapo over there aren't they?

DorothyGale · 2020-09-28T17:37:50+00:00

I don't know how much you know about it but if you read the court documents he was brought up by a father who abused the mother (press weirdly decided to describe it as a sado masochistic relationship rather than domestic abuse which is what it was) and then got the son (Barbie) to join in as he got older. I'm not excusing anything done or said by this person (they scare me too especially the idea they could end up in a women's prison) but I do think they need psychiatric help and to be put in a facility for that kind of care with maximum security. This isn't a well person who had a terrible upbringing and should NEVER be housed in the female estate. Sorry if you all already knew all this.

DorothyGale · 2020-09-20T14:07:20+00:00

"Of course he seems happier now, he's found a fantasy he's allowing himself to get fully engrossed in, denying all reality. He gets to walk around playing a character of extreme stereotypic femininity. That happiness won't last because reality can't be denied forever. The fantasy will get old, he'll get reminded he's a man, he'll get reminded that he can never be the woman he pretends to be, and that's when the dysphoria hits again."

Exactly and what happens then? We have often seen anger and abusive vitriol directed at women at this stage what if the OP, her sister or her mother happen to be in the firing line? This isn't a good situation AT ALL.

DorothyGale · 2020-09-20T14:04:01+00:00

"On one hand, he seems much happier and more outgoing since beginning to present as a woman. "

Why wouldn't he be, he has the whole lot of you pandering to his sexual fetish and has that power over you to make you repeatedly deny what you can see to be true. Why wouldn't he be happier? He's in charge.

" However, he says really creepy/offensive things which piss me off, and he is so in your face about his transition. He sends me messages saying that medical tests have shown that he is 80% female. He says that since taking oestrogen his thoughts have changed, he is weaker and his bones are smaller. He claims has different ("feminine") hobbies. Basically just transforming himself into a caricature of what he believes is a woman."

It is one things for you to use his pronouns - I understand why you are, no criticism of you here - but you DO NOT have to put up with this shit and pathological lies. Hormones aren't magic they don't make your bones smaller. He's a tit.

"I was then asked me to guess what size he was. He told me he was wearing size 12-13 girls underwear with unicorns on."

Gross - coopting you into his fetish urgh I feel for you.

"He said he wouldn't eat anything like that because real girls have to watch their weight."

Fuck off (him not you) with your offensive stereotypes and buying into the way society polices women. Then he drags you into all this which brings me to:

"I feel like I should just give up on him."

I feel like you should too for your own sanity and so you aren't inadvertently becoming part of his wank fodder - he is already using you and your sister (your poor sister having her name used deliberately - and it WAS deliberate as you know). The bottom line, regardless of what I or any other person here says, is this - Is this person making you feel uncomfortable? Is this person making you feel disgust, or fear or upset? (it seems it is certainly upsetting you) If he is then you are under no obligation whatsoever to maintain contact with him. You don't need permission from us (as you know) but if you feel you need back up, here it is, there is not one woman here who would blame you in the slightest for staying away from this creepy guy and his really creepy behaviour and make no mistake it IS creepy behaviour (and a little worrying if I am honest - you may think it is ok but I'm not sure you would always be safe around this guy). It's time you moved on past him, don't be his prop.

DorothyGale · 2020-09-14T18:25:58+00:00

What is TiA please and thank you?

DorothyGale · 2020-09-12T14:57:31+00:00

Glad we can at least attempt to remain sane here. Pushing back is all the is maintaining our sanity right now.

DorothyGale · 2020-09-07T09:36:22+00:00

Who exactly has said they aren't people? I haven't seen this said anywhere by anybody. Why do people make such fucking ridiculous statements?

DorothyGale · 2020-09-07T09:34:18+00:00

Good summary - you can add on the terror of being considered 'cis' to this as they might mean they are not as special as they originally thought.

DorothyGale · 2020-09-07T09:32:55+00:00

"I'm not cis though..." Well heaven forbid. Is anyone helping this girl with her eating disorder amidst all this crap. I think there is a central issue there.

DorothyGale · 2020-08-07T10:20:13+00:00

The sticker was actually advocating for single sex prisons - something Lush apparently oppose and consider hate speech. So now we all know where they stand on locking rapists up with women.

DorothyGale · 2020-08-07T08:09:52+00:00

Duncan is on twitter I follow him, he follows me. Well worth talking to him. He's quite happy to chat.

DorothyGale · 2020-08-05T14:26:06+00:00

True, true, but women in Scotland are fighting and fighting HARD. We won't just let this slide through.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-26T10:52:46+00:00

I agree with Spikygrasspod on this BUT I need to point this out too: Why would we ever associate the word predator with someone who wants to manipulate women into undressing in front of them? It's such a mystery.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-21T12:00:20+00:00

Yes. I noted that particular response too.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-14T12:30:38+00:00

You have already found us and we like you the way you are. You will start to bump into accepting people in real life too as your independence increases and you have more control over your surroundings. And the backlash is starting, the community is growing, activism is happening.

I just want to echo this - we like you just how you are - as I said above you sound great and it makes me happy and gives me hope that there are young people like you.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-14T12:28:34+00:00

Some great You Tube bass videos, my eldest is teaching himself bass. FYI eldest is also not down with all this gender stuff - there are some young people out there who see through it. I really hope you find your people or at least one you can talk to about this kind of thing. You sound like a great teenager - I mean that, not just a platitude.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-14T12:26:07+00:00

Yep. This is me I am oblivious to the fediverse while still being on Spinster - I think this is the point where my children call me a boomer (despite that being inaccurate but saying so also makes me a boomer apparently :p)

DorothyGale · 2020-07-14T12:15:35+00:00

Should there be information on autogynophilia - I see a lot of questions about that and I think it is key to seeing through some of the rhetoric - this in tandem with trans widows stories are very compelling evidence we are not just dealing with people 'who just want to pee' etc.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-13T14:00:06+00:00

"one of my friends even literally burned her books" I can't help but smile, is your friend intelligent enough to appreciate what irony is? Do you get taught about WWII in the US (big art of the curriculum in the UK) or Communist China, book burning was big in both of those places. I'm told they were quite authoritarian periods to live in where you got told what to think or reported if you spoke out of turn ;-). I think the current approach to censoring opinions and shutting down disagreement is the most authoritarian movement I've seen in the UK and US in years and it is young people who need to be alert to this or you are potentially creating a world where you will be taught the 'right' way to think and the 'right' things to say at the expense of your liberty. The thing about censoring disagreement and dissent is that you just don't know at what point you will be the person being censored but you can be damn sure it IS in the post for you and your turn will come. You are an intelligent outlier in your group right now, but afraid to speak up and I absolutely understand that, you would face being ostracised and further loneliness. I think the current period is VERY hard on young people like yourself who are intelligent enough to see the truth but who (understandably) don't want to be singled out for 'wrong think' and end up with nobody to speak to. For now your only recourse for venting may be online communities in the future I really do think some of your friends will realise that they are blindly following a flawed ideology. How would a conversation about the implications of removing free speech go down with them do you think? Problem is that that outs you too. It is such a difficult situation for a young woman like you and I find it heartbreaking (truly) that you have nowhere to go to find support for your sexuality and fellow lesbians. I am frustrated and angry for you - it must make you feel very alone. You aren't though, there are many women out there who feel the same as you do - sadly they aren't in your social circle yet. I hope these next few years see more young people wake up to this censoring, hectoring, cancelling and isolating of people and we reach a period where difference of opinion is just that and we move on and where the trans 'gender ideology' is exposed and more openly discussed. In the meantime, feel free to vent here and maybe start your own online community for lesbians of your age (actually I wrote that and then thought oh God it would be infiltrated by older trans folk, teen lesbians would be a siren call to some) perhaps if you could start a closed community where you can vet people first. It really is a minefield for young people now. I sympathise and wish I could be more help.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-13T13:33:31+00:00

That was a very interesting and informative post, thanks for posting it.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-13T13:12:43+00:00

I'm fairly sure she could write him being proud of her since he is a fictional character she created. Such sincere craziness in that world.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-13T13:02:47+00:00

Welcome to this space and of course it is for you too. Someone mentioned that in time there may be a de-trans specific space on the new site I hope that is the case, people de-transitioning deserve a support space of their own too. I'm so sorry this happened to you, I hope you haven't gone too far down the path and that it is a relatively easy road back for you. I would suggest looking up Charlie Evans on twitter - she will have a lot of resources at her fingertips as a founder of detrans groups although it may be UK based (not sure) but even so people will be able to help you with resources and support there. Just be very careful you are keeping yourself safe online right now, stay as anonymous as you can unless you are absolutely sure you trust someone. I would go so far as to set up an email specifically for twitter not linked to anything else. I would like to offer support to you and certainly a listening ear on here for you to explore your feelings. The women in this forum will be very supportive of you. How are you right now?

DorothyGale · 2020-07-12T15:03:39+00:00

They are pathetic.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-12T14:59:47+00:00

Weird eh? When they banned GC I just left Reddit, didn't want to hang around - certainly didn't bother brigading other subs to put them in danger, I don't have the time these other people on Reddit sem to think I have for childish crap. Smells like BS to me. It suited their agenda to band detrans and it was a poor decision (as was the rest of the ban) but that sub particularly was to support people going through a difficult time and they showed them no compassion whatsoever.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-12T14:42:33+00:00

How do you do that - what apps are there?

DorothyGale · 2020-07-02T13:55:58+00:00

Thanks for that link.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-02T13:52:59+00:00

Let me know if you need any help finding things - or let us all know. I'll help where I can finding resources for you - tackle it point by point, prisons, sports, language obfuscation and so on. Good Luck - and we are here to help you in this.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-01T08:18:11+00:00

Yes, exactly this.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-01T08:13:05+00:00

In the long run that isn't going to work unfortunately. It will eat away at you. Try organising it all in your head before trying again. Avoiding the subject is really just storing the row up for a later date.

DorothyGale · 2020-07-01T08:07:04+00:00

I sympathize and you are in no way a bad person. I recall having a screaming row about this with my partner a few years back (around 2014/15) ending with him leaving the house and me crying having been called a bigot etc. It took a few days to recover from and some organisation of research by me to show him what I meant. Years later he sees it all. We are gen x though (just to give you an age idea) and this wokethink isn't necessarily as ingrained in our friends etc. I don't know if this is just the initial knee jerk reaction from your boyfriend and whether he is capable of seeing your point of view eventually but I can honestly say it would have ended my relationship if we weren't at an understanding stage now. It's too fundamentally important to my feminism (partner always knew I had strong thoughts in that area) and we have kids! I couldn't be submissive or submit my opinion to his on this, even to keep the peace. Give it time, try to explain in a more organised way (visuals helped oh and stats, my partner does love numbers :) ) and take it from there. If he thinks silencing women en masse is ok, is he someone you want to spend your life with? This is a question you should be asking yourself now. But give him a chance first, even a few chances the peak isn't always reached instantly for people but if anyone really thinks about it (and I do mean employing critical thinking) it usually ends with more questions and in turn seeking more answers - that's the key, just the facts.

DorothyGale · 2020-06-30T13:54:04+00:00

Well said.

DorothyGale · 2020-06-30T13:44:55+00:00

Lets face it, he was most likely unpleasant and obstructive - we all saw people being like that. I doubt he was merely banned for what he says here, the word disingenuous springs to mind.

DorothyGale · 2020-06-30T13:41:50+00:00

God I really can't think why they banned you- it isn't as if you are whiney and tedious or anything. A mystery indeed.

DorothyGale · 2020-06-30T13:38:52+00:00

Aw bless you, you aren't very bright are you? patsheaddismissivelywalksaway

DorothyGale · 2020-06-30T13:35:06+00:00

Good to hear womeninlove - Im glad you have saved it.

DorothyGale · 2020-06-30T12:27:38+00:00

Hello all - just joining you. Changed my name because I didn't like my Reddit one anyway - every cloud etc. Deleting that Reddit account felt kind of liberating, it always felt off being part of such a woman hating space.

DorothyGale