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[–]WrongToy[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Please read this: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/5jp4/saidit_is_currently_undergoing_the_largest_ddos/

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[–]feministunderyrbed 47 insightful - 2 fun47 insightful - 1 fun48 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I wish I’d saved one of the graphics (there were at least two versions) that said something like, “conservatives the patriachy: your personality must match your sex; TRAs: your sex must match your personality; GC: you are fine just the way you are.” That was such a perfect capsule explanation.

[–]GenderCriticalOnly 40 insightful - 4 fun40 insightful - 3 fun41 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

[–]feministunderyrbed 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

YES! That’s the one, at the top.

[–]Dragonerne 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

GC: you are fine just the way you are.”

Does this include women that want to tradwifes and make lots of babies and wear pink and be a princess?

[–]IrateBraceFace 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Nice derail but yes. A women's lifestyle choices are not really what's up for debate here.

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Not trying to derail, but to learn, thanks.

[–]Lawfulidealist 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Right now those options (being a tradwife more than wearing pink) are the only option for some people, and an option they are pushed and pressured to for many more. The goal is to abolish the patriarchy to genuinely have free choice - not the "choose your oppression" choice of libfems, but genuiney free choice what to do with their lives, from a broad range of options and without men deciding what they want her to do or what's "appropriate" for a woman. If someone wants to be a tradwife in our current context, it's worth examining why that is something she wants and whether she feels or is pressured into it, but it's still her right to do so. If someone wants the same thing in a post-patriarchal context where men don't have structural power over women, I think that could be seen a lot less critically.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What happens if men say no?

[–]AdultFemaleHuman 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We have to convince women to join forces to fight men.

[–]fuckupaddams 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

For me, yes! I'm really feminine but also a total tomboy and my feminism is by and for all that amazing female energy

That probably doesn't make sense but women are awesome and there's no wrong way to be a woman imo including being feminine and maternal etc. if that's just who you are (and those women rock too)

[–]Heczed 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I peaked when I discovered the mumsnet thread 'Trans Widows Escape Committee'. I had heard about AGP before but always assumed it was BS, because it is such a bizarre concept. Then when i discovered this mumsnet forum, I saw that it was real, and the curtain fell from my eyes. I had never before been so truly shocked by something, to the point where I needed to reevaluate all of my opinions. Every one of my opinions about trans rights reversed that day

[–]SameOldBS 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That was such a good thread. I was about halfway through reading it when it got taken down. It really opened up my eyes to how AGP plays out with these men.

[–]slushpilot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Was it taken down? I'm able to find it and the follow-up threads easily.

[–]Lilith_Fair 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think you need to add a definition for "girl dick". 😜 Most Saidit users and people who haven't been exposed to the gender debate probably heard of it.

On a more serious note, maybe add definitions for TIM, TIF, Cotton Ceiling??

[–]Amanda 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"most other living things" should be changed to most Eukarya (on Earth, we have 3 other types of life: Bacteria, Archaea, and Viruses). The binary sex system was evolved in Eukarya, most likely as a means to keep their endosymbionts from becoming parasitic. This works, because only one sex contributes the endosymbiont to the offspring and if that endosymbiont doesn't work, then the offspring in not viable, so only functioning endosymbionts get passed on.

[–]WrongToy 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Viruses aren't technically alive because they do not metabolize. Technically the smallest form of life is the cell, which they aren't.

[–]Amanda 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

While technically you are wrong, that is unfortunately what is taught in high school and introductory undergrad biology courses. I would know, because for many years I taught an advanced biology class that covered this subject. Metabolism is one of the pillars of life and the viral factory does very much exhibit this trait. There are viruses that encode some of their own ribosomal components, but ignoring them, all viral factories use ATP in the process of producing virions and other components necessary for their life cycle. That right there, alone, is metabolism. Some virus exhibit additional metabolism by keeping cellular machinery intact after the viral take over. Any ATP that is synthesized after the viral factory's take over of the cell is also a direct result of the viral organism's metabolism, even if all the equipment for this production comes from the cell (which is not always the case).

Every year in the class I taught, the students had to write essays on whether virus was alive or not and not once did a student who picked no manage a passing grade, although my supervisor did insist that he could write a passing one, by negating all of the currently accepted pillars of life and redefining life in a way that also excluded most types of cells (it still wouldn't allow someone to say all cellular life is alive and all viral lfe is not and I always found it humorous when he mentioned it, because Eukarya, including humans, were not alive according to this redefinition of life).

Cellular life is something that evolved here on Earth. When we find extraterrestrial life, it will not be "cellular" as we currently know it, unless this life originated here on Earth and spread elsewhere. Even if there is a non-Earth originating life form that superficially looks like a cell, closer examination will show that it achieves this by different means, because the two will have originated independently. It is equally likely that non-parasitic extraterrestrial life will be found that superficially resembles viral Earth life. The odds of life originating separately and stumbling on the same solutions and processes is astronomical.

[–]tuesday 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Language needs to be accessible, concepts need to be easily understood. When your definition includes a new word which also has to be defined, extra confusion is created, not clarity.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For the "gender critical feminists" section, maybe add a little more about what "gender criticism" is, how the concept of gender was developed in radical feminist thought as a name for a system that men use to exploit women. It's not just the new trans stuff, but was older, and is now also applied to the new trans stuff.

For the "gender" section from the GC perspective, maybe add something about gender being an oppressive system that helps men exploit women.

[–]Buckwheat 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Excellent summary, but I hope you don't mind if I make a respectful correction on one point.

"Gender Criticals believe that many societal factors have contributed to a rise in gender dysphoria cases (mainly in young men)"

This would have been correct a couple of decades ago, but at the current time the VAST majority of gender dysphoria cases are in young females (in the UK, there has been a 4000% increase in referrals of female children to its gender services in recent years, with no corresponding jump in referrals of male children; the current ratio is 4-5 referrals of female children to every one referral of a male child). Older people often aren't aware that this dramatic shift has occurred, so it's important to correct assumptions that this is a primarily male phenomenon - as a detransitioned woman myself I think it's very important newcomers understand the profound impact gender ideology is having on young women.

[–]mambean[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll add that, do you have any sources perchance I can add this with?

[–]mambean[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If anyone wants new definitions added or to add to the peakening, just use this comment section.

[–]72ndGender 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is an excellent write up. Everyone should read this, regardless of their political identity or personal identity groups.

[–]DorothyGale 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Should there be information on autogynophilia - I see a lot of questions about that and I think it is key to seeing through some of the rhetoric - this in tandem with trans widows stories are very compelling evidence we are not just dealing with people 'who just want to pee' etc.

[–]Cicerosolo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Autogynephilia needs to be it's own distinct section that references Blanchard

[–]maldita-sudaka 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you.