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[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Nothing. The fact that it took pretty much the entire world uniting to defeat them speaks loud and clear that this was the way. I write "was" because the world of the 1920s was vastly different from the world of the 2020s.

From the economic miracle to the military awesomeness, including the wholesomeness and sound morality of that culture, it was perfection. And THAT is why the demonic forces that already controlled the world back then absolutely NEEDED to defeat nazism. And to try to ensure it would never rise up again, go on to brainwash the masses into believing the most absurd of horrors on the part of the regime and its citizens.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

go on to brainwash the masses into believing the most absurd of horrors on the part of the regime and its citizens.

Not just this but completely restructuring all institutions and society itself to make the conditions that allowed a populist movement to rise impossible. From the wealth transfers with feminism, diversity and LGBT stuff, to suburbanisation down to making the universities accessible to all (along with filling it with ideological bootlickers as opposed to the best minds) is all calculated to stop The Authoritarian Personality from occurring, and if it does occur to give it no grounding to spring from.

The postmodern world on the physical level is structure purely around creating the opposite conditions that allowed the people to free themselves. This is all before you even take into account the media and such.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Such a magnificent moment.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can just tell that family had been through hell. The Depression in Germany was brutal on the populace.

https://i.postimg.cc/DwtBmpDS/3df8ca46ea8412404ece9cff6c6e8f0d.jpg

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    then the world is built on such a mountain of lies 1984 couldn't match it.

    Yes.

    [–]outrageousboote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Intelligent analytical comments down below yet this is the most upvoted comment, guess people just don't want to hear criticism of der Führer and the holy infallible Nazis.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    It wasn't broad enough. It should have been pan-European, and not just pan-Germanic. If the Nazis treated the Slavs as equals - and allies - they would have easily won against the USSR. There were millions upon millions of Russians who were more than willing to fight on the side of fascism. The Nazis completely squandered that historic opportunity.

    Evola also had some valid criticism.

    [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    That would never, ever, ever, ever happen. Foundational to Hitler's ideology was that the Slavs were inferior and needed to be cleaned out of their land. They employed slovenly systems of agriculture which productive Germans could turn into a breadbasket.

    [–]RichtoffLud 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    "Hitler's ideology was that the Slavs were inferior and needed to be cleaned out of their land"

    This isn't true.

    [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    That's literally why they invaded Russia. Slavs were to be removed except for a serf (slave) class who would work the land and be given a third grade education. German wehrbauers (warrior-farmers) were to move to the East and make the land bloom. The rich black soil there was crying out for good hands to till it. Slavs were just wasting the land. Really, have you never read Generalplan Ost?

    [–]TrabWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Foundational to Hitler's ideology was that the Slavs were inferior and needed to be cleaned out of their land.

    Sources on this?

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    He saw it on the torahvision

    [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Mein Kampf.

    [–]Richard_Parker 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

    The leadership. Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, the others acted in morally repugnant ways not jsut to other Europeans, but even the German people. Hitler was not pan-European, but espoused a particularly rabid sort of German nationalism that sought to brutalize Slavic Europeans in particular.

    And then you have a whole chain of military blunders that sealed Germany's fate.

    I still think they are probably the lesser of all evils, but I am pretty much with Ernst Nolte on this, not to mention a number of Germany's best military leaders. I am pro Wehrmacht, pro Nazi in a way, but anti Hitler, as I acknowledge most of Germany's grievances that led to the war and gave Germans reasons to follow Hitler are absolutely legitimate. But Hitler is anathema to me although no more than Churchill, Stalin, Allied hypocrisy, etc.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    Hitler was not pan-European, but espoused a particularly rabid sort of German nationalism that sought to brutalize Slavic Europeans in particular.

    There are people that believe that any 'nationalism' is 'rabid nationalism'. So I always laugh when people criticize Hitler on those grounds. That's what nationalism is. It's a fanaticism for your volk and your soil. Without a radical fanaticism someone else essentially takes your shit. That's how nature works and that's how history shows us that nature works.

    sought to brutalize Slavic Europeans in particular.

    Slavic people were hijacked by communism. In particular a nasty strain of it called Bolshevism that would have steam rolled Germany and the rest of Europe had Hitler and his NS party not arisen. They weren't anti slavic they were anti communist and anti any ethnic group that promotes a world dominance using banking or communism, see: Jews.

    Please take the time to read this lecture

    https://rense.com/general34/amaz.htm

    And this blog post does a good job of debunking the 'Hitler thought slavs were inferior' myth

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12690

    Bottom line. Hitler was fighting international Jewry that are essentially a criminal cartel specializing in blackmailing (mostly through child sex trafficking) world leaders and eliminating or pressuring nationalist leaders. This was as true in the 20's and 30's as it is today.

    [–]Richard_Parker 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    There are people that believe that any 'nationalism' is 'rabid nationalism'. So I always laugh when people criticize Hitler on those grounds. That's what nationalism is. It's a fanaticism for your volk and your soil.

    Way to miss the point. Hitler's brand of German nationalism is grotesque, so much that the Germans may be incapable, collectively, of embracing nationalism until their demise is fully consummated.

    I dare say you either do not know what you are talking about or are indulging in willful ignorance. In Tapping Hitler's Generals, one of the Generals discusses how a captain was sitting in a pub or house in a Russian village, invites a Russian villager to sit down with him, then soon thereafter says "I am tired of looking at his face," shoots him in cold blood. The wife screams and it is not soon thereafter he kills her, too. Then the older child, and finally an infant. Much of the unit (unclear if batallion, platoon, etc) was rightly in uproar. Surely made occupation that much more difficult. The general sought court martial, and intended to execute the Captain in front of the village. The Captian submitted in defense he could be charged for murder because Russians--white Russians--are not people.

    Handed down as a FÜHRERBEFEHL: the Captain should be court martialled and put in a Straffbatallion, but could not be executed because the Russians are not people.

    This is a small anecdote but powerful, which also illustrates why his malevolence to European slavs lost the fucking war. If the Germans had come as liberators, as they did at times with the Ukranans (but other times not), the Soviet Union would have fallen.

    There are other problems, including another General noting how the Wehrmacht could be the single greatest propaganda tool in the world, as for instance Greeks came to see in awe the combat units. No problems. But then the occupation police forces replaced the combat units, and the prior favor and admiration for the German military was soured to violent resistance unto death. Not without reason.

    We must make a distinction between national socialism as an abstract ideology, the very legitiamte reasons why German followed Hitler without the advantage of hindsight while reckoning that his moral defects and military competency lost the war and served to betray the German people first and foremost. It is the tragedy of his collasal failure that may render hard-line, right-wing authoritarianism forever a non-starter, until the death of Europe and the West is fully consummated. Again, pro-Nazi, pro-Wehrmacht, but anti-Hitler.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    In Tapping Hitler's Generals, one of the Generals discusses how a captain was sitting in a pub or house in a Russian village, invites a Russian villager to sit down with him, then soon thereafter says "I am tired of looking at his face," shoots him in cold blood. The wife screams and it is not soon thereafter he kills her, too. Then the older child, and finally an infant.

    Did the Captain put them in a cage between an eagle and a bear as well?

    Seriously I don't know the book and I'm sure it claims this and don't doubt that you're actually reporting it accurately but could you point me to a page number. I really want to have a look at the source for this story.

    [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Tapping Hitler's Generals. Not really obliged to have found them, but pages 192-193 I have. The author Neitzel Indulges in typical war guilt fare in his editorializing, but my impression from the excerpts recounte completely exonerates the vast majority of the German General Staff.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Thank you. Looking forward to finding out the origins of this claim.

    [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Are you suggesting that transcripts of conversations of German generals in British captivity are forgeries or something? This is just one anecdote. Read Manstein's memoirs. Or watch Der Untergang. The list goes on.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    We've actually done this before you know. Generals write self serving memoirs which exonerate themselves, exaggerate their own greatness and overemphasise the errors of others. Diaries are much better but like with every piece of evidence I read them with a healthy dose of scepticism as should anyone. Again thanks for the source ill be interested to look into it.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Are you suggesting that transcripts of conversations of German generals in British captivity are forgeries or something?

    According to David Irving (who reads German unlike many holohoax researchers) lots of documents around that time period are forgeries.

    [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Even David Irving admire bad things happened. In any case, quite the non starter except for very few..

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Just want to print the entire story here so others can examine it:

    Thoma: The men were sitting together one evening in December in a peasant's cottage at Alexandrowka -- that was about 20 km from my HQ -- there were the 'Hauptmann', the tank 'Oberleutnant' and the 'Unteroffiziere', all together in the only warm room. They were drinking their miserable wine ration together. That was all establsihed in the court prodceedings. Each man probably had about half a feld cup of 'Schanpps'. You can't get drunk on that, and the Commandant himself strongly denied that they were in the least bit drunk. He said that they were completely sober, which is the extraordinary part of it. Anyway, the following occured: The 'Hauptmann' said to the 'Oberleutnant': 'I can't stand the sight of these peasants' faces!' . . . pulled out his revolver and shot down the peasant over the table to which he himself had invited him.

    Eberbach: But the 'Hauptmann' received a heavy sentence.

    Thoma: Yes, but just wait till you hear the rest: He then told one of the orderlies to take his body away. His wife screamed and howled and ran with their children-a little girl, a little boy and a two-month-old baby -into the farthest corner and sat down on the top of the stove, where she cried, which, after all, is only very natural. He then said to the 'Oberleutnant': 'I want my peace; clear them out from up there!' And he drew his revolver and shot down the woman. She was likewise dragged outside. That left the little girl, a ten-year-old boy and a two-month-old baby. In the meantime, they got in a fellow who was a musician by trade and he played the accordion and they went on drinking. Suddenly he said: 'She must go, too!' So the . . . said: 'Shoot the other one!' Whereupon he shot the girl. Then there was the ten-year-old boy. The 'Hauptmann' said: 'Take him out and shoot him outside.' He was taken outside and he, too, was shot in the neck. The two-month-old brat was lying up there yelling and he said: 'Away with the little beast.' They knocked it off the stove, picked it up by its foot and threw it out into the snow. Of course, the people reported it the following day. I immediately sent a Judge Advocate there. 'I must take a psychiatrist along with me,' he said. They completely denied that they were in the least bit drunk and said they were absolutely sober. During the proceedings they were asked why they had done it. He said: 'They weren't human beings, they only count as animals; nothing at all can happen to us.' 'They are certainly human beings who go about their business like anybody else!' 'Sir, the FÜHRER says they are not human beings, we do not admit the fact that we can be charged with murder, for they are not humans.' That was their defence. Then came the findings of the court martial and one was sentenced to be degraded and to penal servitude and the other, the 'Hauptmann'-because he took part in the shooting as well-got more because he was responsible, and was sentenced to several years' penal servitude.

    I didn't sign the findings. All the troops were up in arms over that terrible affair. I tell you, the Germans have kind hearts. I demanded the death penalty for both and, what's more, that they be shot publicly by the troops. But, because they were officers, the Judge Advocate said I was not permitted to shoot them before the FÜHRER had given his consent. Then a week later notification arrived that: 'The FÜHRER confirms that it is absolutely in order for the men to be punished. But he refused to authorise the death sentence, because according to his standards, the Russians are not human beings.' They were not punished. They were sent to a sort of penal 'Kompanie'.

    So a nice lurid, self-serving story from a general that paints him as a humanitarian, exonerates his actions and places all the blame on Hitler -- whom he despised -- and paints the Nazis as evil monsters. Well how lovely and convenient for Thoma.

    Thoma was a known rabid anti-Nazi as well. The story is a little absurd on its face and sounds like fantasy but it's also important to note that this is a note attatched to this tale told by Thoma: There are no court-martial papers for 20.Pz.Div. at the Bundesarchiv Kornelimünster, and so this case cannot be examined.

    So in this case all we have is the word of a captured anti-Nazi general. No real records of what he's saying just his word. Who knows maybe he's telling the truth but excuse me for being extremely skeptical about such sensational stories. Also before you say 'Well these were private conversations what reason would they have to lie?' Well a million is the answer to that. A story like this if accepted could have potentially saved his ass from hanging. His motivations for telling these tales in private to other German officers could merely be resentment.

    I don't believe it for a second but that's my opinion.

    [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    I certainly do not condone some of Thomas behaviors and actions. According to Neitzel, he was overheard cheering at news of the defeat of his own comrades....

    If no court martial papers exist for the 20th Panzer Division at all, not sure how that invalidates his story.

    In the end, even if this story is discounted, you have many others that take it place. That is not to say such things are typically the German Army, they weren't. But a small minority unruly taken by the more monstrous auspices of Hitlerian Animus to the Russians is enough to create real problems.

    Also, mind you this is just one anecdote from the top of my head from reading this book. There are others, including the complaint of how crimes by occupation forces in Greece quickly soured relations.

    Finally, I am at least as adverse to Allied policy as I am with Hitler, probably more so. But you and anyone is deluding himself with fantasy to pretend his diapsastrpus decision making did not lose the war and 2) he had a monstrous disregard for human life, both that of Germans and other Europeans, a big reason why he lost the war, something that will likely spell our room because any measured respksne to this nonsense stands in the dark clouds Hitler has left behind.

    [–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    But you and anyone is deluding himself with fantasy to pretend his diapsastrpus decision making did not lose the war

    It did not.

    he had a monstrous disregard for human life, both that of Germans and other Europeans, a big reason why he lost the war, something that will likely spell our room because any measured respksne to this nonsense stands in the dark clouds Hitler has left behind.

    Nationalism was already deeply hated in Hitler's time, it's not like he "ruined the reputation of nationalism" or anything like that. It seems that you place the blame for the issues you have with modern liberalism at Hitler's feet because he lost the war he fought against modern liberalism. It is a strange perspective.

    [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Just no. Proper German Nationalism allows for the coexistenc of white Russian culture and its people.
    I do not know what you hassle this other assertion on. Polish nationalism faced no opposition whatsoever, except from the Germans. A lot of transgressions by the Poles have been swept under the rug of course.

    [–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Proper German Nationalism allows for the coexistenc of white Russian culture and its people.

    This is besides the point.

    Polish nationalism faced no opposition whatsoever, except from the Germans.

    Not from Bolshevism? How about indigenous Polish Marxism?

    [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    There really is no point in discussing this. You think Uncle Addie is a saint, and will deny any and all sources that suggest otherwise. His hatred and disdain for Russianw and Slavs was even set forth in Mein Kampf.

    Again, I regard Churchill and Comas no better, worse even.But I am not wasting my breath on idiots who fail to see the obvious, both in terms of how he lost the war for Germany and discredited right-wing authoritarianism perhaps forever, or what he had in store for the German population in the wake of final defeat. Or is Albert Speer another liar in the elaborate Holocaust? How about the general who refused to set Paris on fire?

    [–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Please do not put words in my mouth, I am satisfied enough with the ones I chose myself.

    You believe that Hitler lost the war for Germany. The evidence does not seem to support this assertion at all. In fact, the Wehrmacht for its part hated the idea of military force outside its control, so they opposed the expansion of international and SS units. Hitler's personal attitude was far from the only roadblock to German-Russian cooperation.

    You believe that Hitler "discredited right-wing authoritarianism". This is also wrong. Right wing authoritarianism was already "discredited" during Hitler's time. According to Hitler, it was already hard enough to be a German nationalist in 20th century Austria-Hungary. Hitler is an outlier not for having "discredited" right wing authoritarianism, but for being one of only a handful of people to be able to institute it at all over the past two centuries. At the same time, the argument you are making gives me the impression that you would not be complaining about this if Hitler had won the war. The paradox here is that you blame Hitler not for any of the things he did, but for things that happened after he died and after Germany had lost the war. Think about it this way. If you started your own political movement, but your political opponents used their influence in the media to justify banning your movement and introducing repressive authoritarian measures, is this your fault for "discrediting" some vaguely right wing voter base?

    I responded to your post solely for the purpose of pointing out your paradoxical thinking, because I don't believe it's your intention to hold onto faulty logic. I am not making any argument about Hitler's personal character or National Socialist doctrine on Slavs.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Mez?

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      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      The philosophy was reactionary in the sense of being mostly a reaction to the Bolshevik revolution and the Versailles order. It was not an organism that grew up on its own.

      That's just not true.

      [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Indeed, I think there is a clear link to Volkisch nationalism and the secret societies like with Hess etc.

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        [–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I think the actual wartime experience was also important. People like Ernst Junger for example made their wartime experiences the centre of their ideology. Mentioning Junger also reminded me that plenty of Germans at the time were also inspired by Bolshevism in various, positive ways. Junger in particular liked the passion and socialist economics of the Bolsheviks. Marxism was a different story, of course.

        [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        There was no hatred of Slavs despite considering them inferior to Germans. However they were too concerned with creating a new German Empire rather than a German lead European Empire.

        [–]TheJamesRocket 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        When the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, they were greeted as liberators in the Baltics and the Ukraine. Huge swaths of the population were willing to work with them, but the Germans never took advantage of this. In fact, they alienated the locals with their austerity policys, repression of nationalist groups, and vicious anti-partisan sweeps. The Nazis should have made a greater effort to set up puppet governments in the East that would generate popular support and help them in their war effort.

        [–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        However they were too concerned with creating a new German Empire rather than a German lead European Empire.

        This is a very accurate and concise explanation.

        [–]outrageousboote 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Non pan-European

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        • There is no freedom of speech.

        • There is no way for the people to vote out corrupt political officials.

        • It is a totalitarian form of government. The government intrudes on every aspect of the personal and the nation. This can have negative results if the government makes a series of bad decisions or the people in power are morally corrupt. In other governments, people can live under a corrupt regime with it barely affecting their own social lives and community.

        • There are no examples of national socialism in peace time that was not in preparation for a war. How does the government organize its youth during peace time? If it is just national boy scouts, I don't see a problem but The Hitler Youth were training boys to want to enlist in the military when they became adults. This is not a great idea because it sends a bad message to other nations that are hostile against yours. If they believe you are going to war with them in the future, they might attack you first with a pre-emptive strike or a self defense war. What face your country puts out to others is important, especially if you want to participate in global trade.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        There is no freedom of speech.

        More freedom of speech in Nazi Germany than the modern 'liberal west'.

        There is no way for the people to vote out corrupt political officials.

        No way to do this in any system really. However in an authoritarian system the powerful can remove the corrupt if they wish. Much more efficient than having to convince millions of mostly idiots that they're being duped and compete with the plutocracies mouth pieces -- the 'media'.

        It is a totalitarian form of government. The government intrudes on every aspect of the personal and the nation.

        Meanwhile the liberal west wants to examine all of your tweets, examine what you laugh at and get access to your babies mind to teach it not to be 'racist'. I don't think Nazi Germany was quite like that from what I've read.

        I don't see a problem but The Hitler Youth were training boys to want to enlist in the military when they became adults. This is not a great idea because it sends a bad message to other nations that are hostile against yours.

        Many countries have mandatory military service. As Hitler frequently said we need to militarize because you -- the Western powers -- want to do war against us. This is not unique to National Socialism.

        [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        However in an authoritarian system the powerful can remove the corrupt if they wish.

        A member of a local Nazi party wrote a letter to Hitler complaining of rampant corruption in his chapter and wanted Hitler to do something. Hitler wrote back telling the party member to organize his own faction and overthrow the corrupt faction. Survival of the fittest.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Interesting. Good advice BTW. Who wrote the letter and where is the record of Hitler's response?

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        More freedom of speech in Nazi Germany than the modern 'liberal west'.

        They locked up people in concentration camps that criticized the Nazi government like the confession church.

        No way to do this in any system really. However in an authoritarian system the powerful can remove the corrupt if they wish. Much more efficient than having to convince millions of mostly idiots that they're being duped and compete with the plutocracies mouth pieces -- the 'media'.

        The media should be regulated and mostly controlled by the government to reduce corruption by foreign, leftists and plutocratic actors. Even if most people are idiots their gut instincts are better than our current politicians and media talking heads. I think the way the government should view the people is similar to how a company takes input when attempting to solve a problem with a consumer product. The consumer often misidentifies the problem and puts forward haphazard solutions. It is the responsibility of the government to identify the problem correctly and put forward the best solution in solving the problem.

        Many people have also put forward the idea that referendums can be held to vote out politicians at any time or if they violate their promises as a politician. The reason why our system fails is people invest all their time during election season because they feel there is no way of kicking out a bad politician other than waiting for the next election. This is probably not the case of all European countries but the same illusion of waiting until the next election still exists instead of acting immediately to get rid of a corrupt politician.

        Meanwhile the liberal west wants to examine all of your tweets, examine what you laugh at and get access to your babies mind to teach it not to be 'racist'. I don't think Nazi Germany was quite like that from what I've read.

        The current liberal order is drifting toward totalitarianism if it isn't there already. It is very possible to have freedom of speech and ways of voting out corrupt politicians without descending to a degenerate society. Almost all the problems facing Europeans is that their governments are not actually democratic. All the polling data shows that the people's interests and the governments interests are not aligned at all.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        You seem to forget that National Socialism has something called FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES, which our ahem, "democracies" don't. Our systems are based on pure power. NatSoc is based on traditional values. In a Christian nation this means Christian values.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        It is very possible to enshrine traditional values in your government without national socialism. You just need to have mandates that can't be altered, not be ruled by judges and have your media and culture held hostage by a hostile foreign group.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes, like the US constitution. Wait...

        [–]Lugger 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        I mean in terms of general philosophy...

        The most important thing? Excessive expansionist tendencies.

        The Nazis, ever since they took power in the 1930s, were building up the military and preparing the German people for a bloody war were going to wage to secure Germany as Europe's dominant power and conquer large areas of land (especially Slavic land) for colonization. We all know how their stupid war turned out — the Nazi asses kicked, Europe devastaded and tens of millions of Europeans dead.

        I once mentioned that if the Natzees had dropped their retard-tier warlike plans and focused entirely on making Germany as prosperous as possible, they would have gone down in history as wise and capable rulers, but, since pretty much entire Nazi Germany's economy revolved around building stuff for the upcoming war (factories, vehicles, railroads etc.), I'm not sure they would have even managed to improve German economy by not war-centered ways.

        [–]EuropeanAwakening14 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        You're basically wrong about everything you wrote regarding Germanys economy and manufacturing. Read Richard Tedor's Hitler's Revolution. Germany didn't even go into full war economy mode until like 1942 or something. The German Labor Front chose to build cruise ships for worker recreation over ships for the German navy. The German navy only reached something like half of its tonnage allowed by the Versailles Treaty. Hitler not converting over to a total war economy early on is actually considered a major problem.

        [–]Lugger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Sure, Germany went full military mode only after they lost Battle of Stalingrad. Doesn't change the fact that the Nazis managed to pull the country out of 1930s economic turmoil and vastly reduce unemployment rates by getting people to produce everything that the ever-growing army needed. Yeah, there were some civilian projects like the Autobahn network, but Germany owed its economic recovery mostly to military spending.

        [–]EuropeanAwakening14 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        What I'm saying is, the numbers don't show what you're arguing. The numbers show that the military spending wasn't really any bigger than the British or Franch spending.

        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        How does a leader of a people, fouding his regime on the idea of one people, one nation, justify letting parts of his nation and of his people get brutalized and genocided in places cleaved off by the Versailles treaty?

        [–]Lugger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        If Hitler felt he had a responsibility for the Germans who lived on his country's former territories he should've made attempts to move the willing ones within its contemporary borders, not start a war of aggression to try and secure Slavic and other Europeans' land.

        You know what's funny, though? Ultimately and thanks to Hitler's actions Germany lost even more provinces and the local German folk were moved out of there and into the remaining German territories by force — something that I believe the Entente powers should have done following the treaty of Versailles as well.

        [–]TheJamesRocket 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        The Nazis, ever since they took power in the 1930s, were building up the military and preparing the German people for a bloody war

        You don't seem to realise what kind of restriction the Reichswehr was operating under, before it became the Wehrmacht. The Treaty of Versailles limited them to an army of just 100,000 men, with no heavy artillery, no tanks, no aircraft, and a navy of just 15,000 men, with no more than 6 capital ships, 6 cruisers, 12 destroyers, and no submarines. As a result of these restrictions, the Reichswehr was little more than a glorified police force when compared to the militarys of the rest of Europe. By the time the Nazis came into power, the need for re-armament was a foregone conclusion.

        but, since pretty much entire Nazi Germany's economy revolved around building stuff for the upcoming war (factories, vehicles, railroads etc.)

        This is a myth. Historians (most of them Jewish) have often lied through their teeth about how the Nazis achieved their economic recovery from the great depression. They did not pursue re-armament at the expense of social welfare. The Nazis pursued a policy of both guns and butter.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        This is a myth. Historians (most of them Jewish) have often lied through their teeth about how the Nazis achieved their economic recovery from the great depression. They did not pursue re-armament at the expense of social welfare. The Nazis pursued a policy of both guns and butter.

        Absolutely factual. The Jews aren't going to say "The German economic miracle of the 1930s was achieved first and foremost by limiting the Jewish influence on the economy." That's just... Too much truth.

        [–]Lugger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        As a result of these restrictions, the Reichswehr was little more than a glorified police force when compared to the militarys of the rest of Europe.

        No shit. The point is, the Nazis were expanding the military way beyond just bringing it on the level of other European powers — it was a fighting force built for the war Hitler was planning. Many historians even claim that German economy was unsustainable and would have collapsed had the WWII not been started.

        This is a myth. Historians (most of them Jewish) have often lied through their teeth about how the Nazis achieved their economic recovery from the great depression. They did not pursue re-armament at the expense of social welfare. The Nazis pursued a policy of both guns and butter.

        Of course it is a 'myth', a Jewish one no less, same as every single thing that portrays Natzee Germany in a negative light. And I never claimed they had insane military spending at the expense of civilian projects — only that it was the driving force behind NG's marvelous economic recovery.

        [–]RichtoffLud 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        ...excessive hatred of Slavs.

        This isn't true. Germany's allies during WWII was the most varied ethnic, and some Slavs also fought alongside National Socialism. Just check out some events, like Betrayal of the Cossacks, who were persecuted by the Bolsheviks and Stalin. Cossacks were an important cavalry that was part of the Slavic culture for decades, they fought on the side of National Socialism, against the Soviet Union and Bolsheviks, and were led by a German general, Helmuth Von Pannwitz. Another important figure was the Warlord Serbian, Momčilo Đujić, fought alongside National Socialism, leading the Chetniks against the Partisans.

        [–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        I'm not an expert on the subject, but the obvious elephant in the room is what it resulted in. A genocide of the German people with 10 to 13 million of mostly able bodied younger people killed and some absurd number of German women raped by maurading Soviet troops. Germany and much of Europe left in utter ruins, with Germany divided and occupied by hostile forces and subjected to a multi generational propaganda campaign of self hatred and guilt(which has since been expanded to all Europeans) that has culminated in the west being offered up as an international refugee center for the most dysfunctional, hostile and opportunistic people on the planet.

        Thanks to ww2, Jews became more powerful than they ever had been, or ever could have been. That is the lasting legacy of National Socialism, and Jews continue to mine it and ww2 in order to increase and consolidate their power and silence any and all opposition. So yeah, regardless of its theoretical merits or flaws, in practical terms it was a catastrophic failure of epic proportions. It laid the foundation for nearly all modern day organized Jewish anti-white propaganda and censorship.

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          [–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          I don't know. Create a new one. Come up with novel ideas to deal with unprecedented events and situations such as the one we currently find ourselves in. Learn from history, but never use it as a template. I'm generally not big on cure all ideologies and gurus. In general, systems are only as good as the people utilizing them, hence what matters are the people themselves, not some rigid formula they follow.

          I think it's important to maintain a firm moral foundation without the baggage of previous atrocities and decades of ingrained propaganda. Virtue matters to Europeans, hence virtue signalling is used as a potent weapon by people who hate Europeans. That doesn't mean that idealism is inherently bad, only that it can be perverted by hostile people in power, as is most definitely the case now.

          If your ideology is based on might makes right, you will wind up with people who will run when faced with long odds. I get so annoyed at all this talk of black pills and white pills. Who gives a shit. If you are standing for what's right that is all that matters. The odds of winning and losing can change continually. The darkest times are right before the dawn as they say. In 1987 no one imagined the Soviet Union would collapse just a few years later so outward appearances can be deceptive.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          In the 21st century only a system based on direct democracy can function. And thanks to technology, it can attain levels of perfection that were unimaginable. Imagine electoral promises recorded in a blockchain, and then the votes. Accountability.

          But for such a system to work well, power must be distributed as locally as possible. Avoiding centralization also largely avoids corruption.

          It's a system, not an ideology, because ideologies cannot function anymore, not with the "richness" of diversity we have in most nations. But you would find neighborhoods and towns with impressive ethnic concentrations, and the direct democracy would allow a people to make as many rules as makes sense, for themselves, within the greater framework.

          So in a sense, it's a system that allows for ideologies, to each (group) their own.

          [–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Otto Strasser explained what went wrong when he resigned NSDAP to form the Black Front, on 04.07.1930.

          I don't have an English version of his text handy, but he condemned the deviation from the 25 points and the willingness to solve internal problems through war with other countries.

          [–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

          They should have left the Soviets and British alone.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

          The Soviets were going to invade Europe anyway and the British declared war on Germany not the other way round. Hitler desperately tried for years to offer incredibly generous peace terms to the British and Churchill eventually just forbade his diplomats from even entertaining German offers.

          Also aren't you the guy always glorifying American intervention in Afghanistan? Funny position for a guy who constantly posts about the glorious Charlie Wilson -- a Zionist/Jewish bought and paid for shill and drunkard just like 'good old Winnie' -- and his intervention in Afghanistan to be telling the Germans they should just leave other people alone. Maybe America should just leave the rest of the world alone.

          [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

          the British declared war on Germany not the other way round.

          The crushing of Moravia and Bohemia, after Hitler solemnly promised to leave them alone after Munich, convinced Britain that Germany must not be trusted. That's why they declared war over Poland.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

          Germany had no reason to provide Britain with 'trust' -- they're called perfidious Albion for a reason. The idea that the British had any business determining what happened in central and Eastern europe is one of the saddest jokes to come out of the entire period -- a joke punctuated by the giving away of the territories they claimed to have wanted to protect to Stalin after the war. Sad, sick actions of a dying Empire led by a disgusting drunk with nothing but countless failures and embarrassments to his name.

          What an embarrassment for my people playing kingmaker in Europe when we were no more than the streetwalkers for larger powers. England can take it alright but not in the way we remember.

          It's as pathetic and embarrassing as watching the British navy engage in vanity exercises today in the Black Sea and in the Pacific.

          The British had no conceivable war aims other than the destruction of Germany. Germany and Hitler wanted NOTHING from Britain other than to be left alone to press east and defeat Stalin. There's a reason the aforementioned pathetic Jew bought lush called it the Unnecessary War after the entire thing was over and Europe was in ruins and the Soviets occupied most of it.

          [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

          Germany had no reason to provide Britain with 'trust'

          Then why the Munich agreement? Germany promised this was all they wanted, and they would take no more land. Bringing ethnic Germans into the Reich was all they claimed. Then scarcely a few months later they went back on their word and that was it as far as their trust went.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

          You should be asking the British 'why the Munich agreement' not the Germans. The British sticking their stupid Anglo noses into the affairs of the Germans in central and Eastern europe is as absurd and offensive as Germany negotiating and playing arbiter in the relationship between Northern Ireland, London and Dublin. NONE OF THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS.

          Hitler wanted to bring diaspora Germans back into the Reich -- diaspora Germans felt the same way. That's what any nationalist would want and if given the oppurtunity would seek to achieve. The idea of the sad and declining British Empire seeking to impose itself on those relationships is one of the worst jokes in the history of the 20th century.

          [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

          None of which explains why Germany gave its solemn word in Munich and broke it a few months later.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

          To quote Hitler: 'In my personal life I would never lie. But for the sake of the German Nation I would.' (That's more a paraphrase but he told that to his secretary Christa Schroeder from memory.)

          There's no such thing as solemnity in international relations only pragmatism and self-interest. Anyone who tells you different is a liar, a thief or trying to sell you something -- that or a member of a weak nation or a modern American.

          [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          Well that was one of history's worst decisions. For the dubious value of Bohemia and Moravia he lost the trust of the British, with whom he wished to ally. Idiot.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Dubious value? There were millions of Germans in Poland and Czechoslovakia who were his countrymen he was trying to liberate. I don't know how any nationalist can call that of 'dubious value'. Again though if we're talking of things of dubious value that weren't worth anything that only an idiot would plunge the world into a war for let's talk about Danzig and polish integrity. What conceivable interests did chamberlain, France and Britain have in doing that?

          When you start to answer that question you realize who the real mad men were.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

          The Soviets were going to invade Europe anyway.

          In hindsight, wouldn't this have benefitted Germany?

          Stalin attacks Poland, which activates Britain & France's defense pact, but then Hitler could have also claimed he wants to help too and send all his troops to the Eastern Front, instead of having to fight wars in every direction (i.e Western Europe & North Africa).

          And if the Soviets had attacked first, they wouldn't have any lend-lease to back them up. So either Stalin had to win every encounter, or the Soviet industry would probably collapse or starve.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          In hindsight, wouldn't this have benefitted Germany?

          I don't see how.

          Stalin attacks Poland, which activates Britain & France's defense pact,

          Stalin did attack Poland but the Polish guarantee only applied to Germany. They never would have activated it against the Soviets.

          but then Hitler could have also claimed he wants to help too and send all his troops to the Eastern Front, instead of having to fight wars in every direction (i.e Western Europe & North Africa).

          No because the knives were out for Germany. There was way to change that and the Allies were determined to destroy Germany because they were a threat to the Anglo-American world order. There wasn't some secret PR strategy that could have changed that.

          And if the Soviets had attacked first, they wouldn't have any lend-lease to back them up.

          Says who? Did lend lease end when they invaded Finland? The Baltics?

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          Stalin did attack Poland but the Polish guarantee only applied to Germany. They never would have activated it against the Soviets.

          It didn't help that Germany making the move first to invade Poland, confirmed their suspicions of who to wage war with.

          No because the knives were out for Germany. There was way to change that and the Allies were determined to destroy Germany because they were a threat to the Anglo-American world order. There wasn't some secret PR strategy that could have changed that.

          The Cold War that came right after WW2 is proof that the Allies would have fought Communism at some point. Germany throwing itself into the middle of both enemies, instead of trying to turn one side against the other, was a giant blunder.

          Says who? Did lend lease end when they invaded Finland? The Baltics?

          The Soviets rejected the Marshal Plan and weren't allowed to join NATO. They were never going to be friends forever.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Maybe that "cold war" was all arranged to create a looming threat in order for both poles of power, Western and Eastern, politicians to garner growing political power?

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Considering we had the nuclear arms race, especially after the USSR stole the secrets to technology from the Allies, that sounds like a very risky gamble.

          In the short term, they got to divide the world into capitalism vs communism. But none of that power would matter if the Cuban Crisis went wrong and they both nuked each other. Or same with the Korean and Vietnam Wars.

          If anything, this makes my post more correct. WW2 was the last time opportunity anyone could have declared war without turning the whole planet radioactive.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          The problem with these statements is that they require belief in separate leadership in each pole of power.

          [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          You seem to think Germany went to war for the hell of it? No. Hitler KNEW that communism was the enemy of all Europe. He literally went against the USSR in order to save Europe from communism and to show to Churchill that he had no desire for further conquest in western Europe. His mistake was counting on there being a shred of honor in that individual.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          If the Soviets had attacked Europe, that would have obviously meant France and the UK were going to get in involved. Unless you believe their troops were going to just stop at their borders?

          Hitler throwing himself into a two front war looks retarded, since he had to have somehow calculated the most powerful countries were all going to fall rapidly. France may have capitulated, but the UK didn't. Now he launches his surprise invasion on the USSR, but comes full stop outside of Moscow. On top of being pushed out of Africa and the U.S joining the war, Germany was too stretched to ever achieve a final victory.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          If the Soviets had attacked Europe, that would have obviously meant France and the UK were going to get in involved. Unless you believe their troops were going to just stop at their borders?

          The Soviets did attack Europe. France and the UK still remained in alliance with them.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          If you're talking about WW2, that's because they were already at war with Germany at this point.

          But it's naïve to think if Stalin sent tanks all the way to Paris or London, there would have been no resistance.

          There's also the question if America would have even allowed such a thing. Even though they stayed neutral till 1941, they still would have been allied to the UK thanks to the lend-lease agreement.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          If you're talking about WW2, that's because they were already at war with Germany at this point.

          False. The Soviet Union had already invaded the Baltic States, Finland and Poland by the time Germany declared war.

          Edit: Sorry I think I misunderstood you and you meant France and Britain were already at war with Germany. My apologies it's late and I have to go to bed but I do have a problem with that idea as well so I'll try and type it out later.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Then I can only assume they wanted to prioritize going after Germany first, because they were smaller and much more geographically closer, than having to fight their way through all of Europe and potentially, half of Asia as well. Just to defeat the Soviets.

          Regardless, I already explained that in either scenario, Germany messed up. They were never going to win a two front war. They needed more allies that wasn't just freaking Italy to depend on, and even caused the German Army to cover their slack most of the time.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Hitler understood that Mad Dog Churchill understood that the UK had literally nothing to gain by keeping the war with Germany going. That is why he kept offering peace to the UK and believed there might be enough honor in the man for him to allow Hitler to destroy the very real menace of communism, not just for Germany, but for the good of the entire world.

          But no, Mad Dog Churchill had much more pride and hubris than honor.

          [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Stalin attacks Poland, which activates Britain & France's defense pact

          A secret codicil in the pact stated it only pertained to Germany. Soviets were free to do what they wished.

          [–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          [–]Hates__PeachPeach Leftists Hate 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          I don't care for anything that is essentially a combination of nationalism+social democracy+(on some issues) social conservatism, all of which were all popular in Germany before 1933. There was nothing extraordinary in that sense about the NSDAP's rise in that most people falsely believe the NSDAP's ascension represented a dramatic change and that the NSDAP was very different from other parties. Instead, much of the groundwork for its rise was already in place.

          In reality, practically all parties appealed to German nationalism. This even includes the Far-Left KPD, though they only used it instrumentally and would switch back and forth between supporting and opposing it based on Stalin's directives. In their own words: "It is essential that we exploit this sentiment to avoid it being used against us". There was even a time when the KPD were literally accusing the NSDAP of being insufficiently nationalistic. The KPD sent representatives to attend NSDAP events. There is, for example, one recorded instance in which a KPD representative implored the NSDAP not to fight with the KPD because they were both 'socialist organizations' (his words, translated). On another occasion, a KDP party leader at an NSDAP event referred to violence between the two sides as 'fraternal strife'. The KPD went so far in their attempt to co-opt nationalism that they even glorified a deceased German soldier, nationalist and early NSDAP member, Albert Leo Schlageter (1894-1923), who had been executed by the French government after being captured in France's invasion of the Ruhr. There was actual military cooperation between Communists and the Völkisch (effectively, German ethnonationalists) against the French in the Ruhr. KPD propaganda even went as far as to put the swastika alongside the Soviet star.

          Karl Radek, in the famous 'Schlageter Speech', 1923:

          [Schlageter was] a courageous soldier of the counter-revolution, he deserves to be sincerely honored by us, the soldiers of the revolution.

          KPD newspapers, not merely printing the Schlageter Speech on their front pages, also included articles by prominent Völkisch such as Reventlow and van den Bruck. In short, there was nothing exceptional about NSDAP nationalism simply because nationalism was the norm at that time. Most parties also opposed Gesellschaft and were in favour of reconstructing Gemeinschaft. Here is an example of pro-Volksgemeinschaft propaganda from the centrist 'State Party': https://www.dhm.de/fileadmin/medien/lemo/images/xp991575_1.jpg The NSDAP did not pursue this once in power, au contraire, they were ardently modernistic (furthered the autobahns, mass produced the Volkswagen, etc.)

          The KPD even had specific instructions for attempting to recruit Right-wing nationalists in the German military:

          One has to speak with officers very courteously and amiably, to address them by the title 'Your Excellency.' References to Marx and party jargon are to be avoided.

          As for social democracy, this ideology, particularly institutionalized in the SPD and completely Marxisant at its origins, was still immensely popular at the time. However, Marxists falsely predicted—as usual—that WWI would lead to proletarian revolution against the bourgeoisie all across of Europe. When this failed to materialize, with the SPD supporting Germany rather than the international proletariat, it bolstered Bolshevism which, distrusting of the gradualist approach taken by Social Democrats, decided that a different set of means—vanguard party, violent revolution—were required to realize socialism. The NSDAP was, of course, somewhere between social democratic to non-Marxist socialist.

          My own views are very different from any of that. I have never found socialism appealing. I believe that problems in capitalism are solvable by subordinating capitalists to a powerful, 'totalitarian' (using the proper definition, i.e. the use of state power to improve man from top-down, and not the erroneous, simplistic definition of it merely as absolute state power) state. I reject the idea that this is an impossibility, i.e. that capitalism cannot be contained with nation states. I reject 'infinite growth' (I do not connect this to the economic system; that is, a successful Communist state would still believe in infinite growth) and believe that 'deindustrialization' is desirable. I believe that the transition from Gesellschaft to Gemeinschaft is reversable (but not necessarily that entire nations can do this, only that people splitting from society can reconstruct it).

          On social issues I see fascism as far too Leftist. I don't care anything for universal suffrage or republicanism where a monarchy may still exist, as the Italian fascists did (noting, of course, that they compromised with the King later on), for example. Fascists are essentially egalitarians within the confines of the nation, only putting up a wall against foreigners. That the NSDAP Germany was more egalitarian (for Germans) than the Weimar Republic is undeniable; it is a frequently given reason in post-war studies asking Germans who supported the NSDAP their reasons for doing so. Numerous people like Heidegger and Evola rejected the NSDAP for these general reasons—it wasn't the serious counter-revolution that is required against modernity and degeneracy. There will be no true progress until after a successful counter-revolution (if possible) or until the beginning of the next cycle of civilization (the current one is well and truly screwed, and is in an accelerating freefall invisible to most in part because of the continuing persistence of economic prosperity).

          [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I reject 'infinite growth' (I do not connect this to the economic system; that is, a successful Communist state would still believe in infinite growth) and believe that 'deindustrialization' is desirable.

          None of that is going to happen under capitalism. Capital is global.

          [–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Bad leadership? Too much politicking? I legitimately can't think of anything else.

          To elaborate on those though, dumbfucks like Himmler never should've had any power. Himmler in particular was a corrupt moron and ended up giving modern cucks plenty of legitimate or partially legitimate claims of "da ebul notsees!!!" shit, and reinforces lies like the Holobunga.

          As far as politics, there was a bunch of internal politics that got in the way of a functional state. The entire point of a one-party or no-party state is that the government is way more efficient and can get shit done. While this was true and the Reich was quite efficient, the Third Reich could've been even more successful and even more efficient had the needless internal politics been nipped and the focus been put on winning the war and spreading Third Positionism and Reactionary thinking to the whole of Europe and the world. This is also an issue of leadership, though, and better leaders would've shut down or at least mitigated in some way the internal bickering.

          [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          What about Himmler do you think marks him out as particularly corrupt or moronic?

          [–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          A perfect exemplar is his protection of Dirlewanger; a total degenerate that should've been killed outright years prior, and yet he and his gaggle of subhumans was allowed to continue their existence and war crimes for far too long. Himmler supposedly even had an officer that intended to report Dirlewanger's degenerate rampaging to Hitler shot.

          This and his obsession with occultism both did just as much damage to the reputation of fascism/National Socialism as that of lies such as the Holocaust.

          [–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          One potential criticism is that the Fuhrerprinzip was too restrictive in practise. Hitler implemented so as to hamper the ability of lower ranking party members to interfere with matters beyond their immediate responsibility. This worked fine in most cases, but during the war, it broke down in some ways. Party members needed to co-ordinate their actions with different branchs of the government, but their ability to do so was restricted by the Fuhrerprinzip. Hitler enforced it very rigorously, mainly because he feared the possibility of a potential rival seizing too much power.

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            [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I've read it and I didn't get this sense at all from it. His piece is against puritanism, prudery and fake 'conservatives' who claim to speak for National Socialism but are in fact reactionary johnny-come-lately types. In fact I think the article could have been written by Camille Paglia who is the only feminist thinker in modern times I respect or have any time for. I too do not like moralism, puritanism or moral busybodies and think the po-faced moral police should be ignored or scorned.

            Hell, it was so stupid that he allowed women to smoke, fuck around with guys whatever they want and what not,

            Doesn't say he wants promiscuity in the piece. Read it again.

            but didn't want any german woman to have a bob haircut because only "contemptible creatures" had hair like that.

            He's actually mocking that idea as stupid. Read it again.

            We need more affirmation of life and less complaining! More morality, but less moralism!

            Amen, Dr. Goebbels!