"Populism" is just Democracy libs hate by Trab in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the first place, "liberal democracy" is an oxymoron. Liberalism is rule by the rich and democracy is - at least in theory - rule by everyone. Serious liberals have never liked democracy and only really grudgingly accept it, precisely on the terms you describe - democracy is when liberals get their way, and the more liberals get their way, the more democratic it is.

Italian election thread by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What are you referring to? The new Italian government should have a strong enough majority to change the constitution without the need for a referendum.

Italian election thread by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That does not sound satisfactory to me. I hope activists and the Italian public do their best to put pressure on this new government to pass meaningful, effective, long term reform.

Italian election thread by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What a waste. They should certainly enshrine immigration and citizenship law reforms into the constitution, at the very least. There is no point in electoral victories if they are not put to use.

Italian election thread by Rakean93 in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are even able to change the constitution without a referendum even with 0 support from the opposition.

I wonder if they will actually make use of that ability or if they'll just let it pass them by. Pro-right Italians should definitely protest demanding this.

This is bad. Support for Russia declining even among European Right wingers. Support for Putin is abyssmal. by Sinbucket in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Purely as a thought experiment, I suppose the simplest way would have been for the German Bund to somehow take control of the US, join the Second World War on the side of Germany, and then form a political union with it afterwards. Any other immediately conceivable scenario would require at least one more additional world war.

Unpopular opinion by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No it isn't. You have been making dumb posts like this for a long time now. You're either trolling or you're some kind of schizoposter.

Unpopular opinion by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This shitpost is unironically a better sales pitch for CPAC than anything American conservatives could possibly come up with.

Unpopular opinion by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why are you still here? You've been trolling in this manner for many months now, and you are not accomplishing anything. You are not even interesting. Honest question - why bother?

Serious question by HeWhoGlows in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it was some red light device, if I recall correctly. I'd say try to look it up on YouTube, it's a one minute clip. It's so weird.

This is bad. Support for Russia declining even among European Right wingers. Support for Putin is abyssmal. by Sinbucket in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The demoralisation angle isn't the most interesting in my opinion, it's rather the weird attempt at distortion/warping of discourse. Guys like this deliberately act as if the people they are addressing hold a weirder version of their own views than they do. Take for example being isolationist or pro-Russia in regard to the Russia issue - I've never seen anyone even on the pro-Russian side suggest that the world is lost without Russia and that a lack of sympathy for Russia among Western right wingers is some sort of cosmic tragedy. We are talking about Russia - a nominally independent, anti-NATO liberal democracy - not some kind of Hyperborean Imperivm or anything like that. Trolls like these basically take a reasonable opinion they see in dissident discourse, create an artificial, bad version of it, then try to peddle it to dissidents in order to polarise people and make them either embrace the opposite view or the artificially bad version of the original view.

I might be schizoposting here, but it feels like I have been seeing this phenomenon a lot lately. It's a kind of trolling where the troll LARPs as a dumb version of the dissident he is addressing in order to affect the perception of various dissident positions both on the individual and collective level, to discredit certain dissident positions, and to increase polarisation among dissidents. I don't know how effective this type of trolling is, but it is definitely very annoying.

Serious question by HeWhoGlows in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, what a bargain. Based. If you need anyone to contribute plagiarised, third rate interpretations of Indo-European history and spirituality, give me a call - I can supply as much pseudomystical nonsense as you need to build a complete Chaddism curriculum.

Speaking of ball sunning - never thought I'd say that - did you see that clip Tucker Carlson commissioned for his show? It is so ridiculous. I genuinely do not know who greenlit it. I can only imagine how confused his boomer audience must have been at their first, indirect encounter with weirdo grifter Twitter.

Scientists discover ‘Carbon Nanotech’ & ‘Radioactive Thulium’ in Pfizer & Moderna COVID Vaccines. (August, 2022) [X-post from s/conspiracy] by [deleted] in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like bullshit, but it doesn't concern me anyway so I don't care 😎

This is bad. Support for Russia declining even among European Right wingers. Support for Putin is abyssmal. by Sinbucket in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ideally, it would be best to have Europe, Russia and America form a single polity on the basis of genuine, organic European principles. There is not much point in discussing that now, though, because without major changes in circumstances that would be very unlikely and utopian.

This is bad. Support for Russia declining even among European Right wingers. Support for Putin is abyssmal. by Sinbucket in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You've posted a bunch of nonsense.

This is bad. Support for Russia declining even among European Right wingers. Support for Putin is abyssmal. by Sinbucket in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Europe issue is complicated in Russia because, politically and historically, being "pro-Europe" basically means supporting liberalism and anti-Russian geopolitical goals. It would be a lot easier to see shifts in Russian attitudes to Europe if and when Europe stops being liberal.

This is bad. Support for Russia declining even among European Right wingers. Support for Putin is abyssmal. by Sinbucket in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is there a term for "false flag" posts that aim to discredit their own position and the people who hold that position by method of association? This posts seems like a textbook example - the Courbeaux NazBol alt guy does the same thing. It would be convenient to have a single term to describe this phenomenon. Perhaps you can help, /u/Markimus? Have you seen any useful term for this before?

The sheer stupidity of young people in America by LGBTQIAIDS in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It should be noted that it is strange and unprecedented to expect everyone to be politically literate. It is an understandable expectation, given that we live in nominal "liberal democracies", where the "informed choice" and "agency" of voters is indispensable for political health, but historically I doubt you could find mass political literacy in any normal era. Ultimately, the Spanish-American war is irrelevant even to most historians, put aside the general public taken as a whole - it is the same with politics. People's lives rarely revolve around politics, it is just not something they have an interest in. The problem is that under the current system, each citizen faces the choice of either being a political expert or being exploited by one. Not to mention that the sheer volume of information necessary for a voter to make a fully informed choice in a modern state probably exceeds the mental capacity of any single given individual. The kind of data point based choice which liberal democracy affirms as its ideal and mandates for every single person is probably unattainable even for a highly dedicated, educated genius.

Serious question by HeWhoGlows in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I trust that you are up to the industry standard. A subscription grants access to recycled fitness programmes/PUA theory, "business advice", an essay collection on the topic of seed oils, and a rambling book that has never been proofread, correct? If we are talking DIY Chaddism coaching, you ought to provide the full package.

Serious question by HeWhoGlows in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your constant whining about the rich has almost made me like them, which is quite the achievement.

What are your thoughts on this non white's post regarding systematic racism in the US? by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pretty weird how in a "systemically racist" state where race and wealth are tied, the household income for whites is sixty thousand dollars whereas for certain immigrant communities it is over twice that.

The demise of Russia is devastating to the alt-right worldview. by Zoomer1212 in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

LOL

The demise of Russia is devastating to the alt-right worldview. by Zoomer1212 in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

>tfw you can't locate a quarter of the globe on the map

Major developments in the Russia-Ukraine war by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are too focused on the problems and are not being fair. Think of it this way. Fixing the world is not your job. That is the job of the ruling elite. That they have been making a mess of it for decades and continue to make a mess of it now is their problem, not yours. If you volunteer your political efforts to help address the problems of modernity, that is out of your good will - no one could ask for more, and you are certainly not under obligation to do anything. As for the ruling elites, their decadence, disunity, malice and utter incompetence mean that they simply cannot win. It is not possible. I do not know who will win, but the current status quo is unsustainable and will inevitably end before long. At that point, there will be new opportunities, new people, new movements and new actors. The important part now is to prepare the preconditions for the future. Nothing can bear fruit unless the preconditions are met, and if they are met, then when the time for change comes, they will make a difference. Retaining composure, patience and a sense of measure is one of those preconditions on the individual level. Bettering the world is not something that can be done in one day, or done alone.

Consider also that an era without virtues is a great testing ground for what men of character can build, no less so than the time of Romulus. Don't get too caught up in the tragic and global elements of our time. This is our era as well, after all. Enjoy it, and the possibilities it offers, for what they are. As for the future, we do not yet know what it will bring, but whatever it is, it will be influenced by how we live in the present.

Perhaps I overdid it a bit with this post, but you get my point.

Major developments in the Russia-Ukraine war by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A significant chunk of people in Russia already believe that they are in World War 3 against NATO, given the level of support Ukraine has received. I don't know what's going to happen now though. As many Western analysts say, Russia has "no viable exit strategy", but neither do the Ukrainians, nor the Americans. I am guessing that the American leadership may end up doing what they usually do and pour a ton of resources into this conflict, turn it into a gruesome quagmire, then years later just abandon the satellite government to its inevitable demise as they did with Afghanistan, Vietnam etc. That seems a bit weird to me, as the stakes are quite a bit higher this time given that they are dealing with Russia, but maybe they are negligent enough to do something like that.

Major developments in the Russia-Ukraine war by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Watching you go from the Archeofuturism guy to the environmental collapse guy to the "I actually want Putin to nuke the entire planet" guy has been an experience. Come on, man. You should be more optimistic. Browsing some whitepills might help.

Major developments in the Russia-Ukraine war by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I think the war will probably stretch on for at least another year and will likely result in tremendous destruction in Ukraine, unless something unexpected happens. It is really quite lamentable, especially because there's no real reason for this war. All of the destruction in Ukraine and the costs to the rest of Europe are basically needless.

Major developments in the Russia-Ukraine war by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think they will use nukes either, but I wouldn't completely rule it out - tactical nuclear weapons could possibly be deployed against Ukrainian units, and in an extreme scenario they may even target Western Ukraine or Kiev. I don't think that's likely though. Still, it should be noted that there is no threat of mutually assured destruction in Ukraine at all - even the most insane NATO hawks seem to be limiting their rhetoric to "ensuring consequences" if Putin uses nukes, rather than threatening nuclear retaliation. This manoeuvre could be an attempt by Putin to paralyse Ukrainian decision making - it might be interesting to see how that goes.

Food Deserts and the Causes of Nutritional Inequality by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't worry about it dude, half the people here are schizophrenic and they don't hesitate posting their bullshit at all, so why should you? If anything, I'd just say that it's possible to distinguish between the drug addicted far left types etc and the sort of apolitical degeneracy that keeps people down but does not cause them to lash out at anyone. I don't consider the latter to be opposed to anyone or going in any direction, really.

Moreover, rich whites have their own class problems that are discussed fairly frequently - these are conformism, superficiality and philistinism. Discussing the state of the poorer classes too is not at all an example of mean spirited classism, except in the cases of certain libertarian and neoreactionary currents which advertise their disdain for the poor quite openly.

Food Deserts and the Causes of Nutritional Inequality by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You shouldn't have deleted the comments at all. Even if you have practical concerns, this is a small forum - no matter what you say, you are very unlikely to cause real political problems.

For any Russian speakers-Dugin, Why nationalism is a lie pushed forward by the global bourgeoisie. Russians have always been a mixed people. by Wickedgs in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think that Woods and Davis are correct on this issue. Obviously, nationalism is very important today, but historically it emerged as a modern, antitraditional phenomenon. Ethnic loyalty, on the other hand, predates history itself, and served as the premodern, but also more cohesive, basis for modern nationalism.

For any Russian speakers-Dugin, Why nationalism is a lie pushed forward by the global bourgeoisie. Russians have always been a mixed people. by Wickedgs in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ethnic unity, ethnic identity and ethnic solidarity have always existed, but nationalism itself as an ideology is indeed purely a modern development, and to be honest, it does not really have much to do with the traditional conceptions of ethnic unity. Hence why historically nationalism has seen such extensive use by left wing movements, and why it is so deformed today, what with civic nationalism, "Western values" etc.

For any Russian speakers-Dugin, Why nationalism is a lie pushed forward by the global bourgeoisie. Russians have always been a mixed people. by Wickedgs in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The best there was to be found was stuff like Rod Dreher.

I think Dreher did convert to Orthodoxy eventually, didn't he? I rarely run into any information about him, but last I heard he was some kind of "alt lite" Orthodox conservative guy.

One thing I definitely wouldn’t have expected was the Groypers. Traditional Catholicism is a more reasonable way to synthesize these ideas but I still wouldn’t have expected it to have had any success as a brand.

I remember being pretty impressed with what the Groypers achieved with the pressure they were putting on conservative youth groups, but ultimately I think Catholicism is just an aesthetic for these people.

I agree none of this truly has to do with Dugin, more Western spinned “Duginism.” It’s been a decade since I read Fourth Political Theory but I don’t recall him saying half the thing people try to tack on him, including this stuff.

I don't think Dugin is even Orthodox lol, last I checked he was a member of the Old Believers. My experience has been the same as yours in regard to discussion of "Duginism" - I have read very little of Dugin's work, but it has basically nothing to do with the accusations levied against him, some of which are particularly outlandish.

For any Russian speakers-Dugin, Why nationalism is a lie pushed forward by the global bourgeoisie. Russians have always been a mixed people. by Wickedgs in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know anything about an Orthodox boom in 2010, but there definitely has been one in recent years, at least as far as memes are concerned. I don't think that has anything to do with Dugin though. Rather, it seems to me that the more important factors have been dissatisfaction with Catholicism, the works of Seraphim Rose, the works of Guenon and finally the existence of a small subculture of people who are extremely obsessed with traditional Christian theology and express interest in the mystical tradition of Orthodoxy.

For any Russian speakers-Dugin, Why nationalism is a lie pushed forward by the global bourgeoisie. Russians have always been a mixed people. by Wickedgs in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for wasting my time with this disinfo garbage. Your sources plainly and simply do not state what you claim they state.

A "right wing" coalition has dethroned the Social Democrats in the Swedish election by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The party itself is not important, what is important is that the election demonstrates the potential for nativist politics in Sweden. If the SD introduce some policy changes in regard to immigration, that could be very major, too.

A "right wing" coalition has dethroned the Social Democrats in the Swedish election by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not to my knowledge. I believe the process of forming a government is moderately long in Sweden.

A "right wing" coalition has dethroned the Social Democrats in the Swedish election by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I meant was that there was no thread for the election results.

A "right wing" coalition has dethroned the Social Democrats in the Swedish election by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, the fact that it is the youth who support the SD also means that other parties like the AfS etc are more likely to pose a credible challenge in the future, since unlike boomers, young people tend to be more politically aware and less likely to vote by inertia.

I am surprised that Nyans is an Islamic traditionalist party. I would have thought that they would be a "secular", left-oriented minority party that nevertheless maintains its autonomy from white leftists. Interesting.

Russian war effort collapsing? by JuliusCaesar225 in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's how it looks to me as well. It seems that they assumed the Ukrainian military-political apparatus would collapse quickly without much resistance, so they approached the conflict with the idea of using limited force and causing limited damage in order to make the post-war situation more stable and more profitable for themselves. Obviously, that wasn't a very good idea - state collapse is not something that just happens. If they wanted to win quickly, they should have used the maximum amount of force possible. Now they are probably in for another year or two of warfare - maybe longer, if they continue to not take things seriously, and even then, I don't think that Russia will necessarily win. As the war drags on, the Ukrainians will not only get more desperate, but also more competent, and then there are also the Western subsidies too. Frankly, at this point the weak link might actually be the West, rather than Ukraine itself - if the energy crisis can bring an end to Western support, Russia will probably win even without mobilising. That does not seem very likely, though.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You don't understand the status of the monarchy in Britain or the political situation there. The monarchy is barely tolerated even by the conservative politicians, and is only grudgingly accepted as an aesthetic symbol. If you want to see what happens when a figure within the establishment tries to oppose it, you can take a look at the case of Enoch Powell - he was very popular, had political connections, and the people were with him, but he was nevertheless completely isolated by his own party and failed to accomplish anything.

Russian war effort collapsing? by JuliusCaesar225 in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The main issue is that if the Russians are forced to abandon all of their gains on the Izyum front, they will in all likelihood need to mobilise in order to retake them. They have been waging a slow, methodical campaign, relying on a small, professional force - it looks very unlikely that they will be able to regain everything with their numerically inferior force in any good time frame, if at all. They will need to mobilise, and that seems to be something Putin simply does not want to do.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How do you suppose Paul would have reacted if someone questioned him and his authority, and rejected his claim to represent God and distinguish good from evil?

Russian war effort collapsing? by JuliusCaesar225 in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Didn't you say that the Russian government has been training and mobilising reserves for months now, preparing them for a future escalation? What happened to that?

I don't think Putin is stupid, but it definitely appears that he and the Russian ruling class are being very cautious, to the point where it may be counter-productive. If Russia had gone full force from the start, it is possible that the conflict may have already been over by now, before military aid, sanctions and Ukrainian recruitment could make much of a difference. Instead, it seems that even now they are waging a limited war and multiplying all of the costs of the conflict not only for themselves, but also for the rest of the world too.

Russian war effort collapsing? by JuliusCaesar225 in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think that the Russian war effort is collapsing at all, but it does appear that there have been major setbacks in the area of Izyum. The Russian military have retreated a good distance now, and there is speculation that they will need to retreat even more. I am not sure what is going on, but if Caspar is right about the difference in numbers, it would certainly explain the problem - especially on such a wide front, being massively outnumbered is not a good idea. It is strange to think that currently Russia seems to be handling the economic side of the conflict much better than the military side.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are repeatedly missing the point.

If you do good but are punished he has NO authority and there is no authority to "accept"

Who determines if your actions are good or evil? People disagree on this every day. In a traditional context, the legitimate judge is the divinely appointed sovereign, not the individual who presumes to cast judgement onto the sovereign as being in conformity or not in conformity with "God's law". When every man thinks that he has the right to casually judge and reject authority for himself, authority is completely dissolved. This is why loyalty to the sovereign has always been the moral core of traditional society. Obviously, we no longer live in traditional societies, but if we are discussing principles then we should discuss them properly.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Personally, I am assuming that the class problem will be actively resolved with some political solution, but I am not entirely sure what that political solution will look like. There are a number of options, such as mass nationalisation, the establishment of some kind of corporatism, the subjection of capital to authority as in the Chinese and Russian models, or something else entirely. Perhaps even a mix of several such options. The issue is figuring out what works best.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who is in charge of interpreting and applying God's law? Is it the Catholic Church? The Orthodox Church? Some Protestant denomination? Perhaps another group or authority?

You see my point.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I pity you.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or maybe you are the stupid one? Perhaps you should consider that.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The whole point of divine authority is that the sovereign also determines the standard for what is just.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Examine the issue rationally. The royal family obviously needs to employ staff, some of whom are responsible for handling PR. Some of these staff will abuse their position. In cases like that, the appropriate thing to do would be to fire such people. The tricky part is that this is a lose-lose situation for the royal family, because no matter what they do - no matter if they choose to ignore this or to fire this person - they become the object of political attention. Do you understand?

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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You are proving my point for me - you are quoting a member of the staff who attempts to speak on behalf of the royal family.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Assuming that Australia maintains the same Westminster system as Britain, presumably they have a similar, unwritten constitution.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not sure what to think about the rich people issue. On the one hand, traditionally the function of the rich is to multiply their wealth and make it available to the ruling class and to society for the benefit of all, but on the other, the modern capitalist class appears to be both disloyal and useless, not to mention predatory.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

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I think that's seriously overestimating the power of the crown. In the first place, I doubt the royal family are even allowed to move around without handlers to observe and control them. They are supposed to be "apolitical" and this has been the case for a very long time. The political conditions are also not conducive to a coup of that kind. If a powerful clique of politicians, journalists, financiers and activists amenable to something like this existed, perhaps it could be done, but there are no such people. The current prime minister and head of the "conservative", traditionalist and monarchist party is apparently a republican. Not to mention that the senior officers of the British army constitute the most liberal military stratum in perhaps the whole Western world, and when it comes to self-coups it is precisely these senior officers that are important.

I think it is definitely evident that modern aristocrats in general, not just royals, have a kind of inferiority complex that makes them think they are unfit to rule and that their virtue is determined by how "democratic" and "liberal" they are, but I don't really think that's a conscious choice for them either. In my opinion, it is a result of demoralisation and general spiritual weakening, like with the rest of society.

England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction by casparvoneverec in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is obvious that you have some sort of grudge towards Britain - I am not really sure why - but either way, it is simply delusional to claim that Collett's post is in any way positive. He is as critical as can be expected within polite company. As to Joel Davis, he does not even make a direct statement about this on his Telegram - perhaps he does so elsewhere.

To be fully frank, I find this needless hostility towards the British monarchy kind of ridiculous. The monarchy has been powerless for centuries, the monarch serves an almost completely ceremonial role. If anything, the royal family is to be pitied. Faulting people for mourning the Queen also seems bizarre - having respect for one's traditions is admirable, and it is also pro-social behaviour. This kind of loyalty should be encouraged and channelled in the appropriate way, towards political reform, rather than being denigrated.

"x lasted longer than the Confederacy" by Fonched in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, it's true for everything. Even the most elaborate theories collapse immediately if they rest on false premises, and these are a universal feature of leftist ideology.

"x lasted longer than the Confederacy" by Fonched in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

On the contrary, it looks to me like you are already set on an ideology, but are unwilling to admit it. With that said, the reason why there are no detailed refutation of leftist ideology here is because doing something like that would be very high effort and very low reward since the community has been totally deplatformed. Refutation is also frankly not worth the time, since most types of leftist ideology today are either self-contradictory or based on obviously flawed premises.

The snowball is starting to take shape in America. by Markimus in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is also hard to do in the West, since there's a general consensus among politicians across both the left and the right that nationalism should be rejected. I am not sure I would even want mainstream politicians to embrace nationalism, though. They'd only use it opportunistically, just like with everything else.

The snowball is starting to take shape in America. by Markimus in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The effectiveness of marches very much depends on where they occur. To my knowledge, NJP have a had a lot of success with marches, because they do them in areas that are sympathetic to them instead of travelling halfway across the country in order to march in an Antifa controlled area.

The snowball is starting to take shape in America. by Markimus in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You wrote two paragraphs in response to a single line, which, in all honesty, is not really objectionable at all. Everybody knows that it is better to be in good company than not. Your current reply also seems somewhat divorced from reality. I don't think anyone on earth would disagree with the assertion that rational explanation and appeals to morality have value. That's basically a platitude, isn't it?

The snowball is starting to take shape in America. by Markimus in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The post you are responding to does not make any of the arguments that you evidently wish to criticise.

The snowball is starting to take shape in America. by Markimus in debatealtright

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If you are referring to the Republicans, I do not think something like that is possible.

The snowball is starting to take shape in America. by Markimus in debatealtright

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That sounds pretty bad. The American electoral system appears to be worse than I thought.

Germany rejects Poland’s claim it owes €1.3tn in war reparations by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

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In this context, are you talking about the Second World War or the start of the current Russian-Ukrainian war?

"x lasted longer than the Confederacy" by Fonched in debatealtright

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I am sorry, but I don't believe that at all. Assuming that you are actually telling the truth, you must either be very lazy, since you apparently can't be bothered to refute basic leftist talking points yourself, or you must be the most self-critical man on the planet. The much more rational explanation is that you are some kind of shill. I have never seen you make any positive claim or statement - whenever you post, it's always about what "some people argue". You never reveal what your own views are actually like. To me, it looks like you present your views as those of "some people" because you don't want to stand behind your own arguments. I don't know what benefit there could possible be in doing something like that, but it does not really concern me either way.

"x lasted longer than the Confederacy" by Fonched in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I could see iconography like the Rebel Jack signifying the vast majority of the South's history, but what would you say about honoring the government/military figures that are associated with the sovereign Confederacy, since they were in action for only four years?

So was Abraham Lincoln?

Then again I find it puzzling that hardly anybody in the South regarded by the post's logic until the Civil Rights era, much less in the past decade.

I have no idea what this means.

"x lasted longer than the Confederacy" by Fonched in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How do you know? His post history is one year old. Salos has been here since the reddit ban over 2 years ago. They both have the exact same kind of posts and comments.

They don't. This guy has his own distinctive style of shilling, he's nothing like Salos. You seem to know what the distinctive traits of this guy's posts are, but I am not sure why you seem to associate them with Salos as well. Salos never made posts like this, and Salos always had his own opinion about the things he posted. This guy never has an opinion of his own. Whenever he makes an argument, it's always on behalf of someone else. Perhaps you could say that there are some superficial similarities between this type of posts and Nasser's posts (who is also not Salos, it should be noted), but in my opinion, they are merely superficial.

KiwiFarms has been blocked by cloudfare by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I haven't heard of that one before. Maybe I should read up more on the tech situation.

"x lasted longer than the Confederacy" by Fonched in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Confederacy is not a nation, it is a state, and to be more specific it is the only state in the history of the world to belong to the Dixie people. Dixies did not suddenly come into existence for the American Civil War and then disappear right after. They've been living on their land for centuries.

"x lasted longer than the Confederacy" by Fonched in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is not Salos, it's a totally different person and a shill who's been around for a long time.

KiwiFarms has been blocked by cloudfare by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The issue is that, to my knowledge, today it is not possible to run a website without CloudFlare. Perhaps things have changed now, but CloudFlare basically used to have a monopoly on anti-DDOS services. If they are now in the habit of just kicking any site that they don't like off the web, that does not bode well for what's left of civil liberty.

KiwiFarms has been blocked by cloudfare by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The only people I know who use KiwiFarms are leftists. Some right-leaning online personalities have been chiming in in defence of KiwiFarms, though, so I don't know if it was a leftist or rightist website, or if it was shared by people from both sides.

KiwiFarms has been blocked by cloudfare by Nasser in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As far as I am aware, there was some drama with a trans activist/online personality who didn't like KiwiFarms. I have heard that there was some foul play with false flags about swatting, doxxing, and other alleged lethal threats against this person originating from KiwiFarms, but I don't know what the truth really is. Anyway, that's how the campaign to take the website down got started. If I recall correctly, the activist goes by the username of "keffals". I only have the most surface level information on this, so if you put any basic research of your own into this matter, you will probably know a lot more than I do.

I suppose this is just another example of the apparent nigh omnipotence of trans activists on the internet. I wonder if they would succeed in deplatforming Rowling if they really tried their hardest.

Germany rejects Poland’s claim it owes €1.3tn in war reparations by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The whole restriction on racist and nationalist rhetoric in the West is very arbitrarily enforced. If you have the permission of the ruling class, you can be as racist or jingoist as you want. Take America as an example - racism is the main political issue there. Nevertheless, when it comes to the Iranians, the Chinese and the Russians, you can be as jingoistic and racist as you want, because they are geopolitical enemies. The ruling class benefits from this type of petty, meaningless jingoism, and it serves as a convenient pressure release valve for the ethic frustration of Americans, too.

Russia closes Nord Stream 1 by NeoRail in debatealtright

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The thing is that especially today - but also in the past, if you ask me - Russia and Germany are natural strategic partners. Both countries benefit enormously from cooperating with each other. Since Germany is under US dominance, however, it can't help but go against its own interests.

Germany rejects Poland’s claim it owes €1.3tn in war reparations by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To my understanding, the Polish government likes to talk about reparations as a way to get back at Germany for putting pressure on them to reform their internal politics along more strictly liberal lines. Personally, I don't think this is an effective strategy at all, but maybe Polish statesmen believe that it has potential.

Germany rejects Poland’s claim it owes €1.3tn in war reparations by Ethnocrat in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't find it surprising precisely because it is Poland.

Developments on Darya Dugina's assassination by NeoRail in debatealtright

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The recent events made me look into Dugin more deeply and he actually seems a lot more reasonable than I had previously thought, although he still has various flaws that he owes to his background and the historical period during which his views were formed. As to the investigation, the FSB version seems reliable. I have seen sufficient proof of it, and it does not at all seem unlikely given that there have already been a number of car bombings and assassinations used against pro-Russian figures in the Donbass.

Developments on Darya Dugina's assassination by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a pretty good one.

Developments on Darya Dugina's assassination by NeoRail in debatealtright

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That announcement was made by an ex-MP who fled to the US after becoming the object of a criminal investigation in Russia. It is very likely that he is some kind of third rate intelligence asset trying to muddy the waters. Going off of the evidence available right now, I think Azov are the most likely culprits. I suspect that the assassin acted without the knowledge of the Azov leadership, however - since a large portion of the battalion is in Russian captivity right now, I do not think the leadership cadre of the battalion would be stupid enough to greenlight something like this. She may have received some support from the CIA, though, but without any new evidence that is just speculation.

Developments on Darya Dugina's assassination by NeoRail in debatealtright

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A powerful image. Is this a quote by someone?

Dugin's daughter reportedly murdered by a car bomb by NeoRail in debatealtright

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People are literally too scared to say the truth now, and convince themselves the lies are true simply to avoid punishment and make life easier.

This is absolutely a real phenomenon, and this principle can be used to explain all kinds of things, including for example the QAnon stuff.

The “we were never asked” thread about immigration. by Fourth_stage in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A fascinating thread illustrating a completely broken system. I did not even realise that mainstream parties made (rhetorical) commitments on reducing immigration - I was under the impression that they were just ignoring the issue completely. I am glad to see that instead of doing that, they have just opted to lie again and again for decades.

Dugin's daughter reportedly murdered by a car bomb by NeoRail in debatealtright

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I suppose it wouldn't really bother me too much, but that would still be very unfortunate for future generations.

Dugin's daughter reportedly murdered by a car bomb by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

400 tins? You need 400 tons, at least.

Dugin's daughter reportedly murdered by a car bomb by NeoRail in debatealtright

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I don't expect liberals to sympathise with their enemies, but there are still certain boundaries that ought to be respected. I think useless cruelty like this definitely lies outside those boundaries, but it is possible that this view of mine is less universal than I previously believed.

Honestly, this seems like a contradictory position he holds, you can't be anti-chauvinist and say "kill Ukrainians" on a video lol

I thought the same thing, which is why I double checked that quote earlier. Apparently, it's just another case of shameless journalistic lying. Dugin's statement was referring to anti-Russian political actors during the 2014 events in Ukraine, not to the Ukrainian people as a whole. The same despicable form of lying is already being used in order to tarnish Darya Dugina's reputation as well - some journalist on Twitter has quoted her as saying that "Ukrainians are subhuman/unpeople" and that Russians need to be harsher on them. The source he offered, meanwhile, shows her making a very different statement, specifically that a certain subset of the Ukrainian military and paramilitary forces are behaving in an inhuman manner, and that the Russian state should be harsher on Ukrainian servicemen found guilty of criminal acts. The outrageous, astonishing dishonesty that goes into a lie like this is underlined by the fact that Darya has only very recently passed. How journalists can live with themselves at all, I really cannot tell.

At any rate, I am assuming that the "Dublin to Vladivostok" quote is a similar case. To my knowledge, Dugin promotes the idea of a decentralised, pluralistic Eurasian empire based on Traditional principles and self-government - a rather different ideal to that of a new, exaggerated Russian imperialism. The issue is that, if I am understanding things correctly, Dugin's political ideas actually seem fairly sensible and in conformity with circumstances of the Russian state, in which case it is difficult to imagine why he has been marginalised instead of endorsed. It is also difficult to see where exactly his radical reputation is coming from, since he does not seem especially invested in nationalism or any form of revolutionary politics. He seems to be more concerned with a practical anti-liberalism than with anything else. I could imagine him as a revolutionary traditionalist, I suppose, but he doesn't seem to borrow too extensively from the Traditionalists either - his ideology seems to be an ideology of 'authenticity' to pre-modern culture, but doesn't strike me as especially revolutionary or holistic.

Dugin's daughter reportedly murdered by a car bomb by NeoRail in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a more general position that a lot of Russian politicians maintain. Opposing liberalism is very common today. What I am more curious about is the specifics, the positive content of his ideology.

Dugin's daughter reportedly murdered by a car bomb by NeoRail in debatealtright

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I wasn't implying he knew about it or something insidious, just the reason why he switched cars (as in, "you go home Darya, I'll stay a bit more" or something like that).

That's probably it. They were at a festival and the name of the festival was Tradition, so it's possible that he just stayed behind to chat with others on political and philosophical matters.

It must be that Ukrainians genuinely believe that Dugin is Putin's ideologue and the architect of war.

It is not just Ukrainians either, I am seeing people from the NATO countries as well - Americans, Germans, Frenchmen etc.

I mean, there are genuinely bloodthirsty people, but most of them are ordinary people turned extremist because of all the propaganda they're fed.

I understand that it is very difficult to escape the effects of modern propaganda intellectually, but people still bear moral responsibility for their reaction to this propaganda. I think celebrating the murder of the family members of an enemy is a clear, universal line that should not be crossed. Propaganda alone is not sufficient in order to cross that line.

Just me trying to be funny and failing lol, I meant russian wignat

I see. I am actually not sure what Dugin's position is on reforming Russia. I assume he promotes a more hard-line approach to relations with the West? He claims to be against chauvinism, so I don't know what his stance on nationalism and ultranationalism is, exactly.

Dugin's daughter reportedly murdered by a car bomb by NeoRail in debatealtright

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Initially I also suspected that Putin may have used the war to try and get rid of Dugin, but I don't think that's it. Dugin lacks the influence to threaten Putin, and besides this event will only generate public sympathy for him. In all likelihood, I think the Ukrainians must have done this. I think they should be aware that Dugin has no power in Russia, but this is probably just their way of lashing out in an act of ethnic vengeance without any considerations of strategy coming into play - there has been plenty of that in the past months. Also, since in the West Dugin is presented as some shadowy mastermind in control of Russia, it is possible that they may have aimed at some PR victory in order to demonstrate that they can strike back and win the war despite the lack of any military success.

I don't think Dugin knew about this or switched cars for any specific reasons. After all, it is his daughter who died, and he seems to be in shock. It was probably just a coincidence. I also don't think this was an internal issue, because it seems like a very major escalation for an internal conflict. There are much more civilised ways to resolve political disagreements.

As a side note, there are a lot of really awful people in these Twitter threads. Under the tweet you sent me, some people are discussing the potential murder of Zhirinovsky's children, despite them having nothing to do with his politics. I have also already seen lots of people gloating about Darya's murder as well, justifying it in all sorts of abhorrent ways. I am once again genuinely stunned. Perhaps the joke is on me for falling for a progressive talking point and assuming that we had left stuff like this behind us in the Middle Ages. Then again, whatever can be said about them, actual blood feuds at least had a traditional character, so this type of base bloodthirst is actually much worse.

(as far as I know, both were supportive of Putin, they only criticized him for not being more of a rignat).

What's a rignat? Rigger nationalism, as in anti-democracy?

Dugin's daughter reportedly murdered by a car bomb by NeoRail in debatealtright

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I'd rather that not happen, if possible.

Dugin's daughter reportedly murdered by a car bomb by NeoRail in debatealtright

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The nuclear power plant stuff is ample proof that a lot of people who have political power really should not have it. Risking a nuclear disaster on your own territory out of sheer stubbornness is beyond reckless.

Christian Nationalism vs Pagan Nationalism: There's Both Conflict & Common Ground. by A_White_male in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you are erroneously assuming that your experiences are universal. Do you really think that no one would prefer destructive pleasure over eudaimonia? Hedonism has been documented thousands of years ago in the context of traditional, heroic societies that are vastly superior to anything merely biologistic that history has known. If that could not prevent hedonism, why do you think that people will naturally avoid it if you restore some form illiberal tribalism?

In my opinion, the reason why you seek to define and pursue some form of higher life for yourself is precisely because you have internalised spiritual principles despite your rejection of Christian and pagan theologies. Pursuing these principles is not a given for most people. Your second paragraph essentially confirms the voluntary character of your beliefs - "I can, therefore I must" is not a convincing line of argument for most, and those who find it convincing typically do so because of deeper, personal reasons.

I think you make a good point when you say that a socially healthy, tribalistic society will not need supernatural explanations for anything in order to function. With that said, it is important to be clear about what we mean by "function" and "supernatural" in such context. Resorting to theistic, creationistic and other such explanations is probably indeed not necessary and maybe not even desirable, but it should be noted that even higher principles such as self-possession, self-control, honour, and virtue are all "supernatural" principles - they can not be explained by or reduced to nature. Nature is concerned with the blind survival of the individual organism in any way, and at any cost. It does not exclude shameful or pathetic forms of existence. What makes these intolerable to us is precisely the "supernatural" or spiritual element, and the more prominent this element is, the more intolerable we find them. This element is not the same thing as materialistic rationality, because rationality can be used to justify anything, including the acceptance of the most intolerable forms of existence. Consequently, the element that interests us is something else - the spiritual element. Without this element, a tribalistic society could certainly survive, but it would not be a pretty sight at all, and would probably not look too different from what we have now.

If what I have been saying so far sounds agreeable to you, then I think that you will also agree with me when I say that the real issue today seems to consist not in embracing materialism, but in arriving at a true, correct and complete definition of spirituality, and then articulating a practical form of it that is suitable for the current circumstances.

Christian Nationalism vs Pagan Nationalism: There's Both Conflict & Common Ground. by A_White_male in debatealtright

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't agree with that for the simple fact that it's impossible to define in an incontrovertible way "virtue and honor" without resorting to some kind of spirituality. So yeah there can be honourable atheists, that's just because they accept to live like if they were religious without any real reason.

I think it is inborn for some people. To put it another way, it is possible for someone to reject religion "ideologically", but still conceive of his self and his personality in an integral way that encompasses not only the material self, but also the spiritual self and higher principles. Honour and virtue are valued not because of this or that reason, but because of a given nature and an affinity for those things. The danger in these cases is the possibility of eventually adopting ideological materialism and being affected by that outlook in the long term.