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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Germany had no reason to provide Britain with 'trust' -- they're called perfidious Albion for a reason. The idea that the British had any business determining what happened in central and Eastern europe is one of the saddest jokes to come out of the entire period -- a joke punctuated by the giving away of the territories they claimed to have wanted to protect to Stalin after the war. Sad, sick actions of a dying Empire led by a disgusting drunk with nothing but countless failures and embarrassments to his name.

What an embarrassment for my people playing kingmaker in Europe when we were no more than the streetwalkers for larger powers. England can take it alright but not in the way we remember.

It's as pathetic and embarrassing as watching the British navy engage in vanity exercises today in the Black Sea and in the Pacific.

The British had no conceivable war aims other than the destruction of Germany. Germany and Hitler wanted NOTHING from Britain other than to be left alone to press east and defeat Stalin. There's a reason the aforementioned pathetic Jew bought lush called it the Unnecessary War after the entire thing was over and Europe was in ruins and the Soviets occupied most of it.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Germany had no reason to provide Britain with 'trust'

Then why the Munich agreement? Germany promised this was all they wanted, and they would take no more land. Bringing ethnic Germans into the Reich was all they claimed. Then scarcely a few months later they went back on their word and that was it as far as their trust went.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You should be asking the British 'why the Munich agreement' not the Germans. The British sticking their stupid Anglo noses into the affairs of the Germans in central and Eastern europe is as absurd and offensive as Germany negotiating and playing arbiter in the relationship between Northern Ireland, London and Dublin. NONE OF THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS.

Hitler wanted to bring diaspora Germans back into the Reich -- diaspora Germans felt the same way. That's what any nationalist would want and if given the oppurtunity would seek to achieve. The idea of the sad and declining British Empire seeking to impose itself on those relationships is one of the worst jokes in the history of the 20th century.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

None of which explains why Germany gave its solemn word in Munich and broke it a few months later.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

To quote Hitler: 'In my personal life I would never lie. But for the sake of the German Nation I would.' (That's more a paraphrase but he told that to his secretary Christa Schroeder from memory.)

There's no such thing as solemnity in international relations only pragmatism and self-interest. Anyone who tells you different is a liar, a thief or trying to sell you something -- that or a member of a weak nation or a modern American.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Well that was one of history's worst decisions. For the dubious value of Bohemia and Moravia he lost the trust of the British, with whom he wished to ally. Idiot.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Dubious value? There were millions of Germans in Poland and Czechoslovakia who were his countrymen he was trying to liberate. I don't know how any nationalist can call that of 'dubious value'. Again though if we're talking of things of dubious value that weren't worth anything that only an idiot would plunge the world into a war for let's talk about Danzig and polish integrity. What conceivable interests did chamberlain, France and Britain have in doing that?

When you start to answer that question you realize who the real mad men were.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There were millions of Germans in Poland and Czechoslovakia who were his countrymen he was trying to liberate.

They weren't in Bohemia and Moravia. They were in the Sudetenland. Hitler said that's all he wanted, and then a few short months later, grabbed the rest of Czechoslovakia anyway. That's what broke the trust with the British. If he'd kept his word, maybe he'd have been able to ally with Britain against the USSR.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Poland happily gobbled up parts of Czechoslovakia as well. Didn't seem to break the trust with Britian though.

If he'd kept his word, maybe he'd have been able to ally with Britain against the USSR.

Unlikely. What's more likely is that the Czechs would have continued to funnel millions of pounds worth of bribes to British politicians to maintain a belligerent stance towards Germany as they'd been doing for years already. Then the British would have found another excuse.

What I'm certain of though is that if Churchill hadn't totally bungled the Norway campaign and stumbled his drunken ass into the PM's job then Chamberlain would have been willing to listen to peace offers from the Germans because he knew who was pushing Britain into these wars.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What's more likely is that the Czechs would have continued to funnel millions of pounds worth of bribes to British politicians to maintain a belligerent stance towards Germany as they'd been doing for years already.

This is an original thought I've never seen before.

Even so, they just lost a huge chunk of their country, by far the part that made the most money. Where were they going to find these millions of pounds?

Chamberlain would have been willing to listen to peace offers from the Germans

He DID listen to the peace offers. That's how we got Munich!