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[–]Callmesavior 21 insightful - 8 fun21 insightful - 7 fun22 insightful - 8 fun -  (33 children)

Firstlt,there was no holocaust. It is all jews' propaganda.

[–]Horrux 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

This is of course true. Still that the Mils and Z believe they brought it on themselves speaks to the fact that they aren't taking the official narrative and just running with it. This is highly encouraging.

[–]bjam27 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

Ignorant Nazi

[–]HibikiBlack 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

I myself don't believe in the zero kill idea, but there is a lot of evidence supporting the idea that the National Socialists didn't had a proper genocide plan, but rather, what they meant by the "extermination" of Jews referred to completely eliminating the influence that they had on German society. There was a controversy back then about how much did the genocide stories were propaganda or real.

The Haavara Agreement, the plan from the National Socialists and Zionist Jews to send the Jews to Palestine.

The International Red Cross report of 1948 found no indication of an extermination plan, despite the claim that it supposedly said the Germans cunningly hided that some facilities were gas chambers.

Testimonies from "Holocaust survivors" that tell the truth about the conditions of the camps. The Jews had access to swimming pools for exercise, theathers, whore houses and participated in soccer games.

The Holocaust and the 6 million figure showing up in different places before WWII.

Now, like I said, regardless of all of these arguments, the Germans back then were being openly racist against them so I doubt the zero kill thing is even plausible. The real controversy lies in the fact that the Holocaust authorities never properly gave the Germans the benefit of the doubt when it comes to investigating the supposed murders. The difference between a 100, 200, 300 total number of kills vs the 6 million figure is that while they are both atrocities, the Jews wouldn't be able to gain income the same way they currently do with a more honest figure. There are a lot of crimes in history that are a lot worse and supposing an estimate like that or lower were to come out, it wouldn't be fair for the Germans to constantly pay for the crimes very few of them were involved in, several years ago too.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

There are a lot of crimes in history that are a lot worse

Funny how that context always gets lost. Even accepting the official numbers, many other atrocities on the same or larger scale have been documented, but somehow this is the worst event ever in history. I'm not defending any form of genocide here, I'm simply pointing out that Jews are far from being the only victims.

[–]Jesus 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

He won't reply back, look at his past comments.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Well stated.

[–]HibikiBlack 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Also, what I stated above is exactly what unorthodox revisionists or denialists should focus on, instead of falling for the usual radical denialist or believer memes being pushed on. What decides who is right or wrong in the end will be the forensic evidence, if someone in Germany actually reaches power and becomes commited in finding the real historical truth.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

ZioCon and pro-Likudnik.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

So I guess this is saying that 20% of these young folks think it did happen and 6 million died, but it was deserved and justified because of what the jews had done, bankers screwing over germany's economy for example.

This was a survey about what young people in NY know about the holocaust. Most young people in NY can't read or do simple math let alone know world history. Why should they know about what occurred in poland and was done by germany. The title is fake and they didn't ask them about who did the holocaust just asked if they knew what places like auschwitz were. Do a survey of young people living in germany.

[–]Jesus 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It is such a psyop. The holocaust deniers do not deny Jewish persecution. They deny the means and ways of execution as well as the amount and the causes.

If I had to suspect it, Zionists, like the Zionist Jews that led the American Nazi party in the 20th century, are behind this.

There are many alt-right Jews saying how Hitler was right to exterminate Jews. They have to keep the holocaustianity religion going; it is the Zionist religion. It doesn't have to be either but they use it to push their ethnocracy.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I bet you also think the Earth is flat.

[–]lawuigi 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Nazis didn't think the Earth was flat! They believed the Earth was hollow. Seriously check out the link. It's worth a read and a laugh.

[–]Jesus 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)


[–]lawuigi 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

You got me, Bro! Obviously the scientist acquired by operation Paperclip that were put into NASA knew better.

[–]AmericanMuskrat 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Next you're gonna say there are no lizard people in hollow earth. 🧐

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)


[–]shariajustice 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

i suspect that gays caused hiv.

[–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

You misspelled spread.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not relevant.

[–]shariajustice 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

i suspect that gays caused hiv and elton john invented the piano.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah Hitler actually never even existed. He was just a made up villain that the Jewish-controlled Hollywood fabricated from a few dozen fake "documentary" videos and started brainwashing the public during the 50s and 60s.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

strawman used by both Callmesavior and FediNetizen.

[–]ManWithABanana 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You forgot the /s

[–]PencilPusher55 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This is as bad as saying no plane hit the WTC.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Actually, he's MUCH closer to the truth than the official narrative.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "there was no holocaust" as it's commonly defined, but I would say that it's certainly mostly exaggerations and myth.

[–]PencilPusher55 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I don't think that 9/11 was what the media says. I believe it was planned. But anyone who takes it a step too far and says "There were no planes" despite everyone seeing them, it makes you seem crazy.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That's because the orchestrators also have infiltrators to make everyone who questions seem crazy and outlandish, while the cover stories and Anthrax silence dissenters.

The Holocaust is not different in that there are outrageous claims easily debunked, distracting from the ugly truths.

[–]PencilPusher55 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Out of my own curiosity, can you link me to any plausible holocaust theories? I wouldn't even know where to look.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

IMO, more important than the theories, from grand sweeping theories to minute details, I think contextual understanding is much more important. With that foundation you can better judge how the puzzle pieces may or may not fit together for you.

I believe there are many good links within this post's comments, from me and others, accompanied by diverse views and contexts. They can set the stage for the many of conflicting view points.

If you want to skip to some of the key irrefutable points, there's this list:

The Spinning Squirrel documentary starts slow but gets much better. The other two are also well worth listening to:

After the war is also critical for understanding how unfair the whole thing is and to realize how utterly corrupt the official narrative is. The Germans actually suffered more after the war.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

"Caused" is a hard word. Tell me rather why no other country would take them as immigrants when Hitler tried to ship them off to the US, e.g. .

There is certainly a correlation here (and this assumption is extremely hard to disprove) because remember they had no "own" country at this time. Israel declared its independence it 1948. So without a good foundation in history it is extremely hard to explain to these youngsters why some Jews shouldn't have at least some responsibility in the way the holocaust took.

Above that were some US corporate bosses that supported the Nazi Regime, like Ford most definitely did. Allies coincidentally never bombed Opel. You know that, right ?

[–]bjam27 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

Go away historically illiterate Nazi.

Absolute gibberish.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Disprove me. If you ever went to a school.

Rather than throwing just another tantrum.

Like toddles tend to do.

You're really lucky that tonight is friendship night. Otherwise i'd throw a lot more at you. :)

I gotta read up on Buddhism.

[–]slushpilot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I wouldn't go so far as to land "responsibility" on the head of the Jews, but there is truth to it.

Consider what's happening today with the riots & demands to abolish police, and stirring up oppressor/oppressed marxist narratives like taking down "whiteness" (whatever that is)... then throw in some anarchist agitators and we're now at the point where the public sees "BLM = Antifa", effectively.

Fast-forward a few years from today, an election happens, more riots, spin the news cycle a bit, and from the above we can easily arrive at "Blacks = Communist", de-facto, full-stop. They say they are living in a racist country that they hate and want to see undone, and that is un-American, so somebody suggests we move them out.

This kind of unrest was also happening in post-WWI Germany, throw in a flu pandemic and a stock market crash if you want as well. Remember, there were communist movements in Germany trying to copycat the revolution from Russia. Some of the agitators were Jews. Probably not a plurality though, but that's how these things go... A nasty narrative got started, and once everyone started saying it's the "jews/communists", you know what happened next.

The lead-up is everyone's fault. Mob mentality. Don't get sucked into taking sides.

[–]EuropeanAwakening 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Jews overwhelmingly led the Spatacist Rebellion in Hermany and started Antifa. You have no idea what you're talking about. You just repeated what Jews literally told you to say.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I think you're mixing a lot of truth, speculation, and myth together into a confusing mess.

Prove me wrong with some citations.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

There is a lot there, I admit. What is the specific claim you want to see verified?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

" we can easily arrive at "Blacks = Communist", de-facto, full-stop. "

As bad as things are and can get I don't know if folks will ever buy this. Sure there will be the crazy SJWs and such, but people already see through their shit. IMO, things will pop off soon than later and before anything comes to that. It's taken 20 years just to get the gays accepted, and 10 years for the trans thing to come this far. And that's with a clear and massive push. Furthermore, the races are mixing, as "they" want - so that complicates things too.

" A nasty narrative got started, and once everyone started saying it's the "jews/communists", you know what happened next. "

Back then they were still fighting for dominance, puppets under secret societies of the ruling class. The Zionists have all the power now - except full control of people's minds.

" Don't get sucked into taking sides. "

Perhaps the best advice ever.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, the first point is speculation & analogy—it might well be reductio ad absurdum... I really hope we don't get to a point where we start demonizing & dehumanizing each other on that level, but we are on that path, unfortunately.

puppets under secret societies

I might have to ask you for citations there myself. Unless what you're talking about is the Spartacus League, which kind of proves my point. Some of them were Jewish, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was a jewish movement—it was a Marxist one—but that made for good propaganda.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Secret societies can mean anything from royal circles to corporate boardrooms to Freemasons to religious cabals to mobsters to government agencies to whatever. They're secret as are their discussions, doctrines, and agendas - yet they control the levers of power.

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    [–]pcpmasterrace 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    " Gibberish "


    [–]Nemacolin 6 insightful - 8 fun6 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

    To be fair twenty percent of Millennials probably believe George Soros is sniffing their feet at night.

    [–]Conductive-rabbi 15 insightful - 12 fun15 insightful - 11 fun16 insightful - 12 fun -  (0 children)

    Very insightfull rabbi

    [–]Caesar_was_right 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

    Oy Vey

    [–]cisheteroscum 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (65 children)

    Well, it's true the Jews brought all the hate onto them through their actions. Being an international elite class that ran most of the banks, and pushing degeneracy and ethnic destruction - same game they do today. So 20% of millennials are correct there

    "the holocaust" didn't even happen tho, so lots of work to be done

    [–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (64 children)

    cracks neck Alright. So, honest question: do you believe the standard, basic narrative of Anne Frank (for example)? From wikipedia that is: "Following their arrest, the Franks were transported to concentration camps. In October or November 1944, Anne and her sister, Margot, were transferred from Auschwitz to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, where they died (probably of typhus) a few months later." If not, what do you think happened and do you have some evidence for the alternative.

    If you do believe the basic parts I listed, how would you classify said death? Is jailing innocent citizens and children in camps until they die not a standard 'holocaust' outcome? Surely you must have a different take to write your second line.

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

    Typhus and starvation were serious war-time problems killing many, including the slaves at the work camps.

    Anne Frank's diary was half written in ball point pen which wasn't invented yet. Half of her story or more is myth.

    [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children) states fountain pen. Are there PDF scans, etc of the primary sources that will allow for better analysis than he said she said?

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

    I don't have questions I need answered. Do your own research. Find diverse perspectives. Make up your own mind.

    Also, likely has an agenda - to uphold the "official" narrative.

    [–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Yeah I expect that. I was just hoping someone could link the primary sources. I realize I'll have to get a translation, but I'm not scared of textual analysis.

    All dead links: :(

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    [–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Thank you. So uh, some quick legwork on the second link says "The original copy of the diary has never been released for public (sic)." The second brings this link which disagrees with what we are trying to discover.

    It seems that no one has (thought to) simply do a super high quality scan to either prove or disprove the claims. :(

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    If you owned a goose that allegedly laid golden eggs, would you ever allow anyone to examine that goose?

    You can build a museum around the goose, and charge lots of money to see the goose, but if anyone were to ever questions the authenticity of that goose then your cash cow might just die - if it were fake.

    Maybe you know it's fake. Maybe you don't.

    Would you take that risk?

    [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah I thought about that but didn't say it. Perhaps I was being optimistic that someone would sneak a look at the goose, at it were. Because I would totally let the goose be safely examined, but I grant that most people would certainly not.

    [–]ballooon 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    The first ballpoint pen was patented in 1888.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    They did tests on the ink. They know what kind of pen was used. Look it up.

    [–]ballooon 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Two loose annotation pages and some page numbers. The rest of the diary was written with a fountain pen.

    [–]cisheteroscum 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (52 children)

    do you believe the standard, basic narrative of Anne Frank

    transferred from Auschwitz to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, where they died (probably of typhus)

    Yes. Some allegations of edits to the diary are out there but the basic story I agree is true

    Is jailing innocent citizens

    Exactly what the US, like Germany, did to Japanese-americans and others? Yes

    [–]SaidOverRed 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (51 children)

    You... you forgot the 'until death part'. Marching in a band is fun. Marching until you die is not.

    You're answer of 'yes' means that you consider what Germany (and the US) did to be a holocaust, which contradicts your above "'the holocaust' didn't even happen tho." But I suppose you already knew that. Congrats on the successful troll.

    [–]cisheteroscum 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Marching until you die is not.

    The Jews simply being deported to camps is not "the holocaust" - this included alleged absurdist stories like "gas chambers", torture devices, and "death marches" (as you describe), for which there is basically no physical or documented evidence for whatsoever. And is complete irrelevant to Anne Frank, who, as you say, died of typhus - not "marching until [she] died". Congratulations on the unsuccessful non-sequitur

    Both sides in WWII committed horrible atrocities, it's not like the Nazis were saints. But they weren't comic book villains, either. The US had the benefit of basically never being attacked on their home soil or having their supply lines destroyed by enemy bombers

    [–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Err you needn't abuse that quote. It's related to the analogy, but I can if you'd like.

    Also the Japanese were way worse than the Russians or Germans.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Well stated.

    [–]masterclass 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (46 children)

    I'm curious, how many Jews do you think were killed in the holocaust, and what do you base this on? This is the primary sticking point I have with the "official" narrative.

    [–]just_lesbian_things 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (42 children)

    how many Jews do you think were killed in the holocaust, and what do you base this on?

    Why does it matter? The only time I get the exact number debate being brought up is from Holocaust deniers trying to split hairs. I was probably told the number by my history teacher or history textbook at one point or another, along with the total casualties of WW2, and the deaths caused by the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with a bunch of other facts and figures I memorized once for a test and promptly forgot about.

    The point was, there was a pointed effort from the Nazi government to commit genocide against the Jewish people, as evidenced by policies, propaganda, and actions of the Nazi government at the time. There are sites of concentration camps, gas chambers, hundreds or thousands of photos of the corpses and survivors, as well as testimonies of people who avoided, escaped, or survived the ordeal and the people who carried out the act. Most of the Jewish people killed were not the Jewish people trying to destroy the German economy, if such a people ever existed. The German economy was suffering due to being forced to pay reparations as a result of losing WW1.

    This is the primary sticking point I have with the "official" narrative

    Do you also go through the casualties of every battle, every bombing to determine if they really happened? Do you think the atomic bomb was really dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did Japan really attack pearl harbor? Did the Canadians really fight the battle of Vimy Ridge? Do you know the exact, undisputed death tolls of those events? Why are you hyper focused on this particular number and why does it matter so much?

    edit: a word

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      [–]masterclass 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Do you also go through the casualties of every battle, every bombing to determine if they really happened? Do you think the atomic bomb was really dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did Japan really attack pearl harbor? Did the Canadians really fight the battle of Vimy Ridge? Do you know the exact, undisputed death tolls of those events? Why are you hyper focused on this particular number and why does it matter so much?

      Why did it matter that the death toll of Dresden might have just been 35,000 instead of 250,000? Why did it matter the death toll of the Holodomor might have been 5.5 million instead of 12 million? Why did it matter the death toll at Auschwitz was only 1.1 million instead of 4.5 million? Why does it matter if the 6 million number is a gross exaggeration as well? Because the truth matters, especially on events given such historical prominence that are continually cited to justify views today.

      [–]just_lesbian_things 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      especially on events given such historical prominence that are continually cited to justify views today

      Who is using the Holocaust to justify which views? Can you provide some examples? Especially where the number is relevant.

      [–]masterclass 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      It's constant. I dont have examples bookmarked. But I just googled "6 million" and right off the bat current events news stories popped up about it. The Israelis cite it all the fucking time to justify their hyper aggression. Antifa like to frequently cite the holocaust as justification for beating, threatening, attacking and shutting down anyone they can label fascists or nazis, which is usually everyone to the right of Mao, and antifa are protected by and even promoted by the media and courts because of the Jewish elites paranoia that populism might lead to another Holocaust. I cant even keep track of how many articles I've read since Trump was elected drawing parallels between him and Hitler that inevitably invoke the holocaust. Its this cloud that hangs over everything because of Jewish media dominance.

      On reddit lefty jews have been perpetually screetching about how "the right" are forgetting the "lessons" of the holocaust. I remember a few claiming they still do something every night to remember the victims. When I asked if they do the same for the holodomor or the other 70 million plus victims of ww2 they got offended at the very idea.

      It's constantly being used to bludgeon European populists and nationalism movements. You still have European countries paying reparations to "survivors", which apparently means any Jew that lived in a Nazi occupied country or that fled before it became one, and can include their descendants even. There was even a study that found Jews were actually giving their children PTSD by talking about it so much. Meanwhile no one even cares that not a single person was ever tried for anything that happened during the holodomor.

      On twitter recently the term "jewish privilege" was trending because some black dude accused Jews of having it(welcome to the party), so they all dragged out images of the holocaust, because apparently the fact someone of the same religion as you suffered 80 years ago means you cant be privileged today.

      [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

      The number is a lie.

      We've been lied to all our lives on countless events and matters. This is no different.

      The Holocaust was not popularized in mainstream media until the 1970s.

      Both sides had concentration camps. Gas chambers were for delousing clothing in a typhus epidemic. Yes people were starving - it was war. Even the German soldiers were starving - they fled and weren't in the photos. With the hundreds of typhus victims the British bulldozers are often passed off as German.

      You might appreciate my incomplete 14 key points :

      [–]just_lesbian_things 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

      Gas chambers were for delousing clothing in a typhus epidemic

      Not according to the survivors of the camp, the operators of the camp, the Nazi regime and the American and Soviet soldiers. You know, the people who were actually there.

      [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

      The survivors are well paid to lie. The winners (Americans and Russians) get to write their winner history as they see fit.

      Why are no other survivors of WWII well paid? ie. Japanese people who had their things stolen and sent to concentration camps in the USA and Canada? Survivors of the Dresden Fire Bombing? More Germans were mass murdered AFTER WWII than during it - yet many survived, obviously - and got no reparations.

      Jewish supremacy includes a special type of victimhood - and a new ethnostate, Israel, stolen from the Palestinians.

      [–]just_lesbian_things 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

      The survivors are well paid to lie.

      Evidence of this? Who paid them? How much were they paid? What did they do with the money??

      Why were no other survivors of WWII well paid?

      No one was paid. But Allies put effort into rebuilding Germany and Japan to ensure that the events and economic strain that led up to WW2 do not repeat itself. America gained a lot of economic benefits from the process of rebuilding as well. Even now, there are American military bases in Germany and Japan.

      [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      [–]masterclass 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Wonder how many Millennials and Zoomers ever heard of the Holodomor, which preceded the Holocaust by a decade and likely had a higher death toll. I dont remember it even being covered in history class.

      [–]masterclass 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      The HolocaustTM had many causes. The official Hollywood narrative is that it was all zee eviiil nathzees. In reality it was likely a variety of factors including International Jewry pretty much declaring war on the Nazis from day one, the fact the allies bombed the shit out of German cities and intentionally targeted German civilians(again with much pressure from prominent Jewish voices), the fact Germany was being starved and by teh end of the war could barely feed its own people, German paranoia over Jewish dominated bolshevism, and yes because of Nazi propaganda that demonized Jews and many in the Nazi leadership that just wanted them out of the picture one way or another.

      Oh yeah, and the death toll was likely significantly lower than 6 million.

      [–]chadwickofwv 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Considering the census data from Europe just before the war didn't show 6 million jews even existing in the occupied countries and Germany combined, I have some pretty strong doubts about the numbers.

      [–]masterclass 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Well using census figures are a ridiculously imprecise method of coming up with a death toll for many reasons, and those reasons are compounded when you are talking about an ethno-religious minority spread throughout many nations rather than a census for the total population of one nation. Before during and after ww2 Jewish refugees/emigres were scattered all over the planet. Good luck obtaining an accurate count of how many were present at the start, then who went where, who died, and how they died, especially when they have plenty of reasons to inflate the death toll and a previous track record of doing so dramatically.

      I would guestimate the actual death toll somewhere between 1.5 million and 4.5 million, but nobody really knows what it is. The 6 million number is likely a gross overestimate though and treating it as a definitive number that can never be questioned is proof of how political it is.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      But even state this in Germany and you are fined and arrested.

      [–]QueenBread 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      This only shows that surveys are useless, because they can always be easily manipulated to give you the results you want.

      [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Yes queen

      [–]ReeferMadness 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      There are lies, damn lies, and surveys.

      [–]Rah 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Id be interested to know how many jews participated in that survey giving their increased proportionality in the city/state.

      [–]bagano1 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      After the riots this summer and seeing Jews in the media basically doing all they can to stir shit up over and over again and throwing their full support behind Antifa and BLM, I'm really not shocked people hate their guts. They are just warped fucking people. I went to college with a lot of them. All I'm going to say is, look at that quarterback Josh Rosen, interviews involving him and what coaches and players said about him in the rumor mill. It's pretty much what most of them are like.

      One of my good friends in college was Jewish. I do think some are funny, outgoing, hard-working people, but grandma was right, they will do ANYTHING for a dollar, including destabilizing your community any way they can.

      I drove through rich neighborhoods in Metro Detroit and saw all the wacky BLM signs. I just don't get it. Some people are just dirtbags and like to support the bad guy all the time. I can't explain it. I'm just not surprised they get run out of countries all the time. It almost seems like they are TRYING to make this happen. It's ridiculous.

      [–]Antifa 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Can't recall which sci-fi show it was, but whenever anyone questioned 'doctrine' they were ostracised by society.

      To question why is one of our first instincts as infants. To restrict that is to restrict a fundamental aspect of our nature as humans.

      [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Firstly, what Jews? The entire premise of the question is a fallacy and are we implying the Holocaust as in the myth that 6 million Jews were sacrificed through fire and gas or 1,000,000 Jews who were persecuted and died from mostly typhus but also food block-aid and executions.

      Who ever created this question wants to promote the holocaustianity religion and increase Jewish hatred. Anyone with a critical thinking would ask the question: Who were polled? And what are they trying to convey?

      [–]filbs111 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I suspect this survey is finding what it wants to find, to justify funding, policy lobbying etc. It's unclear how the question in question was phrased, and what the multiple choice answers were, if any. Are they including "somewhat", "don't know"?

      Do I think that "jews caused the holocaust"? It depends what you mean. This is a bit like the Bill Burr bit about hitting women. People shouldn't do it, but sometimes something leads up to it.

      [–]asterias 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      (interview is in Greek)

      A Jewish historian says how the rabbis and other high ranking Jews sent Jews to concentration camps.

      [–]insta 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      A total of 34 percent of respondents in New York believe the Holocaust happened but the number of Jews who died has been greatly exaggerated or believe the Holocaust is a myth and did not happen or are unsure.

      So that's nearly two-thirds of people don't question the events at all? This belief in the official narrative of 9/11 isn't that high. All this data is strictly from New York by the way so I don't think it's fair to just say "all gen Z" as if this is representative.

      A shocking 28 percent of respondents in New York believe it is acceptable to hold neo-Nazi views,

      You don't believe people should be shot for holding neo-nazi views? Wow, so shocking and repulsive.

      while 62 percent have never visited a Holocaust museum in the United States.

      Pushing 40% of New Yorkers have visited a museum dedicated to the Holocaust and this isn't enough?! Holy fuck.

      [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      So promoting violence? Shooting people for their views?

      [–]insta 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That's the problem with these bullshit questions. You can manipulate these things so easily to say anything.

      What the fuck does "acceptable" mean in this context? If I don't think it's "acceptable" for people to hold neo-nazi views that begs the question what do you do about that?

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Having museums in America where the event didn't even take place makes no sense.

      Why aren't there Native American or Vietnam museums in Germany?

      Why are there Holocaust museums in almost every state if not all of them?

      Propaganda - to sell the lies.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I don’t think there is any greater symbol of man’s depravity in recent history than Auschwitz

      Hitler is literally Hitler, the underdog of WWII, evil as fuck, but not as evil as Churchill nor Stalin nor Mao.

      Stalin killed 40 million of his own people.

      Mao killed 100 million of his own people.

      We've been lied to all our lives on countless events and matters. This is no different.

      The Holocaust is certainly mostly exaggerations and myth and was not popularized in mainstream media until the 1970s.

      Both sides had very problematic concentration camps and no shortage of war crimes. Gas chambers were only for delousing clothing in a typhus epidemic. Yes people were starving - it was war. Even the German soldiers were starving - they fled and weren't in the photos. With the hundreds of typhus victims the British bulldozers are often passed off as German.

      You may appreciate my incomplete 14 key points :

      [–]Tarrock 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Come on guys, we need to mkae that 100!

      [–]passionflounder 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      "Never forget"