New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Accurate breakdown, I think you're right on the money.

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]RatFink 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Especially considering that everyone SHOULD be watching the video. It would cause meaningful conversation on gun control.

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or the state and him are in on it, he had help.

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]NeiX 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Online freedom is more important than any tragedy. ISIS and other terrorists show their barbarism all the time online and I hardly ever hear a peep from the mainstream media. Censorship is wrong and if someone doesn't want to see or hear something, then don't view/hear it.

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sometimes it's a combo like 7/7.

If I wrote a manifesto I would likely include both sides, blame everyone for being unwoke idiots and not being skeptical of authority, government, power, the system, religion, science, and all dogmas...

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

MEANWHILE - Easily this many people are murdered for "humanitarian" reasons every day around the world under Western Empire actions, sanctions, dronings, and "intervention" coups.

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or that is the intended narrative.
New Zealand was the only 5 eyes country that hadn't been attacked by a radical demographic.

The motivation seems completely manufactured.

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not so sure. Hopefully we'll learn the truth during his trial.

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]GOOSE 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, but you can see through the sarcasm, the memes, the jokes, and ignore those - which form most of the contradictions.

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you read the entire manifesto, it's full of contradictions and crafted statements.

So, you're suggesting that these contradictions should be ignored?

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]PaigeAP 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is this because the media are incompetent? Is it because they can't get a hold of the evidence to do their jobs because of the censorship? Or is it to control how the reporting is done?

I think it's all of that combined.

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]GOOSE 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why would they want to censor that SOOO badly?

  1. Respect for the victims. Since it's a very personal attack and video, compared to say 911 where you can't see people's faces.
  2. Misguided attempt at moralising.
  3. Misguided attempt to prevent "copycats"
  4. Opportunity to extend censorship powers

What's really interesting to me is how it is allowing the news media to literally lie and misreport facts about the incident. The video and manifesto were immediate and direct evidence of what was happening/had happened, and the media did not report accurately at all in the early days, and now in the aftermath is still not reporting accurately stating things like "the killer wanted to be famous" even though his manifesto literally says that he "will be forgotten and doesn't matter".

Is this because the media are incompetent? Is it because they can't get a hold of the evidence to do their jobs because of the censorship? Or is it to control how the reporting is done?

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]GOOSE 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The message is beyond dichotomous.

If you read the entire manifesto, it's full of contradictions and crafted statements. I firmly believe that the manifesto was written by the attacker, alone, and that he wrote it purposely to troll and cause as many problems as possible in the aftermath.

I don't think there's some big conspiracy or any crazy shit, it's just this guy wanted to troll almost everyone.

alleged political views

actually, this part of the manifesto was pretty clear, he's an ethno-nationalist and eco-fascist. There's not really much doubt about this. What's annoying is how poorly the media report on it attributing ridiculous motives and other desires when it's literally written down for them.

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]Troll 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think these things are indisputable:

1) He was concerned with demographic replacement of the West.

2) He had a particular disliking for Islam.

3) He had a trollish sense of humor (Spyro the Dragon, "subscribe to pewdiepie," citing Candace Owens).

4) He was far-right.

I think the mentioning of the Chinese was mostly to stir the pot, while agreeing with China being mostly ethnically homogeneous. I doubt he cared about other things such as social scores, communism, and whatnot.

As for him being a former communist, well, that was likely when he was younger and that's what the propaganda wants people to be.

I doubt he really had much help with the manifesto -- it wasn't amazingly written. The Unabomber's Manifesto was far more hard-hitting. It's not hard to be far-right and see what motivates the left, a simple conversation with leftists will do the trick.

His motivations were primarily accelerationist and to provoke the left into being more tyrannical. For example, Fabian socialism advocated for incrementalism to avoid upsetting people. His goals were to counter the slow trickle of the leftist utopia that leftists use via brainwashing, social engineering, and censorship. It's like putting the frog into water and having it jump out only when the water's temperature changes too quickly for it to notice.

Video footage has come out of police officers arresting New Zealand shooter by magnora7 in WorldNews

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Working great now.

Video footage has come out of police officers arresting New Zealand shooter by magnora7 in WorldNews

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I got the video to appear this time, thanks. But it's loading hella slow. I'll check it out another time when it's more able to load

New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer. by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, when it came to the memes yes. But not entirely, as he does make it clear that the nationalist idealogy of the Chinese, despite on the surface communist and the state itself is ideal to his ideaology. Plus, he was a former communist. Nevertheless, the manifesto probably had help and was written in the perfect way to divide people. It benefits the NZ government and the divide and conquer principle. He made it a little to obvious what his agenda really was.

Video footage has come out of police officers arresting New Zealand shooter by magnora7 in WorldNews

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Works for me, just reload it. The traffic on that site is a lot right now.

No bail for man accused of distributing live stream of mosque shootings by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well they want freedom for themselves, where they live

But yeah the common people need to get our shit together and address the problem we all collectively face: Authoritarians with too much power

No bail for man accused of distributing live stream of mosque shootings by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the elites are the antithesis of freedom. in my eyes thats a sign it wont end well... for the common people

No bail for man accused of distributing live stream of mosque shootings by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know, I thought that's why it was destined to be one of the freest countries and why I am fairly shocked at the reaction they're having to clamp down on internet speech

No bail for man accused of distributing live stream of mosque shootings by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

its where many elites are building their doomsday luxury bunkers. better to stay away from them. they will be the morlocks of the illuminati h.g. wells.. i am not even joking!

No bail for man accused of distributing live stream of mosque shootings by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I went to NZ and AUS about 3 years ago, they were awesome. I don't think it was PR as much as just a reflection of reality. But now things have taken another course. I don't know if I'll be visiting either again. I had ideas of maybe one day moving to NZ, but that's gone after this.

No bail for man accused of distributing live stream of mosque shootings by useless_aether in WorldNews

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

no. they just had good pr. i mean, they deceived the rest of the world really well. acting.