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[–]Criticallacitirc 44 insightful - 11 fun44 insightful - 10 fun45 insightful - 11 fun -  (1 child)

Queer = offensive slur that we should reclaim

Homosexual = offensive slur we should stop using

You can't have it both ways folx.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Queer has always been an insult. Queer means strange, not normal, weird. Gay has been used as an insult but at its root, it means happy/joyous. That's why it can be reclaimed.

Homosexual is clinical, but why isn't heterosexual also considered clinical and offensive? Is it because it hasn't been used with derision, because that seems to be the case these days. Also I weirdly find homosexual non-offensive if it's said with four syllables rather than five, if that makes sense?

[–][deleted] 40 insightful - 1 fun40 insightful - 0 fun41 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's meant to deprive us entirely of ways to talk about our sexuality. Gay and lesbian no longer mean same-sex attraction. Homosexual is considered bad. Which leaves us with just saying same-sex attraction all the time, which gets labeled as transphobic.

They are intentionally trying to limit our ability to even talk about our sexuality.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly, it's freaking scary. At least the old homophobia acknowledged us. Now it seems, with woke homophobia, they want to totally erase us. As if they don't want to acknowledge we exist at all. Thing is we are real and, unlike gender ideology, we aren't a freaking made up concept or trend.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, it's freaking scary. At least the old homophobia acknowledged us. Now it seems, with woke homophobia, they want to totally erase us.

And what's even scarier?

Having erased you... they want to wear your skin; BECOME you. Like the Pod People from Invasion of the Body Snatchers... or a serial killer.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That’s exactly it.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 30 insightful - 11 fun30 insightful - 10 fun31 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

They just don't want us to use homosexual because it clearly acknowledges the basis of attraction being SEX and not genderwoowoo. Oh yeah, fuck me with your hot throbbing xe/xim pronouns.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

3 years ago I would have agreed with this, that homosexual sounds too clinical, and only the evangelicals call us homosexuals and not gays and lesbians. But I know now this is not about that, these organizations want to erase sexuality based on sex, and move it to based on gender, so they can be inclusive to trans at the expense of the lgb. So online I will often say homosexual even though I prefer gay, because we can’t let the sex be taken out of a movement started to fight discrimination based on choice of same sex partners.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, fuck that. I am a homosexual and I will never ever apologise for using that word.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

As a rule, try to avoid labeling an activity, emotion or relationship gay, lesbian, or bisexual unless you would call the same activity, emotion or relationship "straight" if engaged in by someone of another orientation. In most cases, your readers, viewers or listeners will be able to discern people's sexes and/or orientations through the names of the parties involved, your depictions of their relationships, and your use of pronouns.

Except this isn't the case anymore. When pronouns are contradictory, biological sex doesn't exist, and label/orientations are increasingly idiotic/gender based, you have to use homosexual because there is no other option.

For example: Chris and Jess are a couple. One uses they/him pronouns, the other uses just they/them. Good luck.

[–]Clitorisk 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

Why bother using a label at all?

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It stops us from pursuing the wrong person. If I know a woman is straight, I won't waste my time flirting with her. Easy as that. Not that it stops some people, but most people are reasonable.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This, exactly. Words have clear meanings so that we can better communicate our needs to each other. For some reason, they want to make the words for sexual orientations an exception to that matter only to make our lives even harder 🙃

[–]reluctant_commenter 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Words have clear meanings so that we can better communicate our needs to each other. For some reason, they want to make the words for sexual orientations an exception to that matter only to make our lives even harder

Perhaps because many extremist TRAs seem to believe that only their needs matter or exist.

[–]reluctant_commenter 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I like to use words to convey meaning. In the case of "homosexual," the meaning I'm trying to convey is, "I'm only attracted to people of the same sex as I am." That informs my boundaries: I am only willing to date people of the same sex as I am. So I would use the word "homosexual" to communicate that boundary to a potential partner.

Boundaries are important, and accurate labels can help us communicate them.

[–]Clitorisk 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I'm only attracted to people of the same sex as I am.

As a categorical rule, gay men and lesbian women are not attracted to trans women or trans men, respectively. Is communicating the fact that you are "homosexual" clearly communicating that boundary, if a trans woman and cis man are a homosexual pairing?

[–]usehername 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's not just a boundary, it's a physical impossibility for a lesbian to be attracted to men.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's true. I was hoping that framing it in the context of boundaries might help this person understand, since it's messed up to pressure someone to date a person who they are not attracted to. Might be a troll, though.

[–]usehername 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see where you're coming from, but this is just another TRA troll who doesn't give a fuck about boundaries because they're excwusionawy ;~;

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are correct. And what a toxic mentality that is... "boundaries are exclusionary" sounds like narcissistic thinking.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes. Trans woman and "cis" man are a homosexual pairing.

[–]Clitorisk 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So you would date a trans person of an acceptable sex?

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Theoretically, as a lesbian it is possible yes. If I was given a choice between a trans woman and a trans man, I would choose a trans man because of the female body, especially the p*ssy. However, I'm femme lesbian only attracted to other femmes, because I personally am not attracted to masculinity. Besides, trans men have effects of testosterone as well, which makes them have masculine voices or a beard, which is highly unattractive because they end up having a mix of female and male sexual characteristics. Oh, and I want woman who want to be woman lmao.

However, there ARE lesbians out there who have or are dating trans men. Lesbians who are into butch women are more prone to date trans men.

TLDR: Trans people end up having a mix of male and female sexual characteristics, even if their biological sex is, more often than not, easily clockable. Therefore, it's perfectly reasonable if anyone doesn't want to include trans people in their dating pool, regardless of their biological sex. In fact, anyone can exclude anyone for any reason at all.

[–]our_team_is_winning 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When they start redefining sex and coming up with nonsense like "trans woman" -- crossdressing fetishist is what they mean.

So you're asking if Blaire White and his boyfriend are a homosexual pairing under the new rules? Yes! When a penis meets a penis, I'm going to still say yes, that's male homosexual. And if Blaire gets his amputated, he's still XY.

And Blaire White's bf is a rare exception among gay men (I think a rare exception?) because he is attracted to a man who has destroyed/hides his male appearance. I'm female, so gay men please tell me: I know masc 4 masc is a big thing. Does "masc 4 crossdresser" exist?

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 15 insightful - 8 fun15 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, some people might use the term "homosexual" in a derogatory way, but GLAAD's motivation for deeming the word offensive is probably kinda questionable. At any rate, I'd rather call myself homosexual than a vaginophilic gynosexual or whatever the fuck TRAs want me to call myself.

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

“It also contains ‘homo,’ which is an old derogatory,” he added.

So do a lot of words. Homogeneous for example. What a dumb argument.

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

GLAAD is a lobbyist group that does not represent LGB people. They are not an authority on anything other than their own interests. I am sorry if someone was giving you shit for using the word "homosexual," it's a perfectly fine word to use. (Some people might draw a distinction between using it as an adjective vs. a noun; using it as a noun, e.g. "Hey, you homosexual," is more likely to draw offense for being other-ing, whereas "that person is homosexual" is just an accurate, although long, description of someone's sexual orientation.)

I am fine with being called homosexual, it's just what I am. "Gay" is shorter and is often synonymous with homosexual, so that's what I usually describe myself with. I don't tend to call myself lesbian because of the word's separate connotations with porn and with the homophobic "political lesbians" concept in radical feminism.

[–]Destresse🇨🇵 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's strange to see people taking offense to it. This is the main word we'd use in French to describe... Well, a homosexual person. Lol.

Even the shortened "homo" isn't offensive. Lesbians don't usually use it but gay men do. If people mean offense, they'll happily use slurs instead.

My knowledge on the matter might be outdated though. With how fast the "LGBTQIA+" stuff is changing, maybe our homosexuals copied the anglosphere yet again and now take offense to it who knows

[–]Rage-Xion 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why doesn't a charity literally called " Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation" focus on gays and lesbians?

[–]hufflepuff-poet 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I forgot that's what GLAAD stood for 😳 The defamation is coming from inside the house!

[–]MyLongestJourney 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because it has been taken over by the trans lobby.

[–]fr_bandersnatchghey... 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

If it's a slur, can we reclaim it? I'm choosing to reclaim "homosexual".

[–]Clitorisk 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

I agree with GLAAD: homosexual is a very clinical term that reduces complex identities to sexual interactions with genitals. Being Gay/lesbian is more than genital interactions.

[–]Fastandthecurious[S] 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

Why is your name "clitoris" then? I'm sure if to you, "homosexual is bad because being gay is more than genital interaction", being a "woman" is more than a genital like clitoris. If "homosexual" is "clinical", then why wouldn't "clitoris" be? If "homosexual" shouldn't be used, then "clitoris" shouldn't be either because it's "reducing complex people to their genitals". "whY aRe YoU rEdUcInG wOmEn tO GenItAls" :/

[–]Clitorisk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're right, being a woman is more than just having a clitoris. That's why we call women "women", and not "clitorises".

Likewise being a lesbian is more than just rubbing genitals together. I'm not a homosexual, I'm a lesbian who engages in things like homosexual sex.

[–]Fastandthecurious[S] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not really.

1) A woman is "an adult human female"

2) Female is "an organism with female genitals and/or eggs"

Conclusion: Woman is "an organism with female genitals and/or eggs".

"Woman" isn't something separate from the genitals. It doesn't include personality, what color or food you like, etc, etc.

I know you like playing with words because you think there's more to "woman" than there is, but there isn't. I'm saying this as a woman.

If you have an issue with "reducing people to things like genitals", which is what TQs say, then you should have an issue with the word "woman". You'd have to say "I'm not a woman, because there's more to me than my genitals. I'm a person, not a woman, just like I'm not a homosexual".

I noticed you used "homosexual" in "homosexual sex".

GLAAD says you shouldn't do that because it's "offensive": https://www.glaad.org/reference/offensive

Offensive: "homosexual relations/relationship," "homosexual couple," "homosexual sex," etc.

Preferred: "relationship," "couple" (or, if necessary, "gay couple"), "sex," etc.

Identifying a same-sex couple as "a homosexual couple," characterizing their relationship as "a homosexual relationship," or identifying their intimacy as "homosexual sex" is extremely offensive and should be avoided. These constructions are frequently used by anti-gay extremists to denigrate gay people, couples and relationships.

As a rule, try to avoid labeling an activity, emotion or relationship gay, lesbian, or bisexual unless you would call the same activity, emotion or relationship "straight" if engaged in by someone of another orientation. In most cases, your readers, viewers or listeners will be able to discern people's sexes and/or orientations through the names of the parties involved, your depictions of their relationships, and your use of pronouns.

If you agree with GLAAD in "homosexual being offensive and clinical", then you should agree with the other claims as well instead of cherry picking (:

[–]Clitorisk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm allowed to cherry-pick because I'm capable of independent thought. I don't want to be called homosexual, as a human. People who respect me as a person will understand that. People who don't are irrelevant.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm allowed to cherry-pick because I'm capable of independent thought. I don't want to be called homosexual, as a human. People who respect me as a person will understand that. People who don't are irrelevant.

Then why do you want to be called a human? Isn't THAT reductive? Simply being a generic member of this primate species? Because that's all that "human" means.

[–]Fastandthecurious[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Only someone incapable of thinking logically cherry picks. And you cherry pick. That doesn't look good ...

You don't want to be called "homosexual" because you think "being gay is more than genital interaction", but then want to be called a "lesbian" or a "woman" eventhough the word "woman" only has to do with genitals, and the word "lesbian" which is a "gay woman" only has to do with genitals.

You also want to be called a "human" eventhough being a human has to do with a bunch of genes. Why care about "being reduced to genitals", when you don't mind being called a "human" and being reduced to a bunch of genes?

Even if you were to call yourself a "person", you'd reduce yourself to nothing but your "consciousness".

Everything from "human" to "person" is "reductive uwu".

I'm simply pointing out whatever you say makes absolutely no sense. Zero. Noone is obliged to take your "issue with the word homosexual" seriously, when the hypocrisy is apparent in your thinking.

People who respect me as a person will understand that. People who don't are irrelevant.

Respect is earned. You don't consider why someone would not respect you for cherry picking and acting like the word "homosexual" is something "wrong" that "shouldn't be used". You haven't done anything to earn that respect. And I wouldn't blame anyone that doesn't respect you with that homophobic attitude.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Isn't lesbian just the word for a homosexual female? So wouldn't lesbians always be homosexuals? I'm a lesbian so any sex I have will be with another woman and by default will be homosexual sex.

[–]reluctant_commenter 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Being Gay/lesbian is more than genital interactions.

Sexual orientation-- e.g. being heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual-- is all about one's characteristic pattern of sexual arousal.

A heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual person is much more than simply their sexual arousal pattern. However, that's all that sexual orientation means.

[–]Clitorisk 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Which is why calling someone a homosexual is reductive.

[–]usehername 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Only to the extent that referring to someone as any other characteristic would be: "a blonde", "a brunette", "an Italian". Do you also take issue with these terms? Of course, a person is much more than the color of their hair or their nationality, but we refer to them using specific characteristics when it's relevant. For example, if you are describing someone's looks, you may call them a brunette. If you're talking about a person in the context of the politics in their country, you may refer to them by their nationality. When we talk about LGB in the context of "LGBTQ+", we may refer to LGB people as "homosexuals" in order to differentiate them from the rest of TQ+.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Couldn't have put it better.

[–]HelloMomo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The term "homosexual" was coined by Karl-Maria Kertbeny in the 1800s, who advocated for gay rights. His groundbreaking new idea was that men committed sodomy not out of wickedness, but out of gayness. From what I've read about him, he seemed like a pretty cool guy, and I'm a fan.