List of Active Saidit Alternatives 2.0

magnora7 · 2020-01-18T20:15:08+00:00

Because we care most about the post-reddit ecosystem and the availability of information

magnora7 · 2020-01-18T16:48:16+00:00

Thanks for the information, very interesting.

magnora7 · 2020-01-18T14:25:34+00:00

Some are saying this might indicate something is about to happen as this sort of broad-scale GPS jamming test is rather unusual. In addition to the seizure of new consumer nightvision systems, it raises some questions.

magnora7 · 2020-01-18T14:21:55+00:00

Not sure what the reason is for this new round of protests, but this video looked interesting.

magnora7 · 2020-01-18T12:45:11+00:00

fixed thanks

magnora7 · 2020-01-18T12:38:14+00:00

Sad they folded to that pressure. They have many stereotypes on that show, it's kind of the point of the show in a lot of ways. They acknowledged apu was a stereotype several times in the series, same with the italian pizza guy, tony the mobster, the fat german kid that eats candy... half the characters are stereotypes. And it's not like Apu was portrayed as some kind of mean or 1-dimensional character... he was an important part of the family in a lot of ways. Now they're just erasing that, because a couple of people were upset about a voice stereotype that isn't even inaccurate!

Just another sign of the decline of the Simpsons. They're too afraid of controversy to really hit on anything meaningful anymore. Can't really blame them though, they're in Season 31 or something ridiculous. It's clearly just a cash cow at this point, and that's reflected in the humor and writing of the show.

magnora7 · 2020-01-18T12:32:24+00:00

Well most "journalists" are paid by the word, basically. They are paid to produce content regularly, so they do, even if most of it is fluff.

Unlike me, for example, where I only write an article when I have something to say, and sometimes I might go months without writing anything because I have nothing to say. An employed journalist doesn't have that luxury, so they end up producing noise that drowns out the signal, because they're required to as terms of their employment.

magnora7 · 2020-01-18T12:16:13+00:00

Good catch, thanks for doing a bit of digging. I always care more about the truth than whatever makes a catchy headline

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T18:48:52+00:00

I guess this is the endgame of having too many people that they can't support in the long-term, despite best intentions. Now their gov't money is spread too thin, and it's probably eventually going to end up financially imploding like Greece did in 2009.

You can't give out more money than you have, unless you own your own central bank and money creation abilities. And sweden, much like greece, does not own that. The EU does.

They have an aging population combined with over-immigration, it seems. If they'd stem the immigration numbers a bit so they could stabilize, they might have a chance to not have a greece event.

Every year about 1.5% of the entire population of sweden's worth of immigrants arrive. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Statistics_Sweden_%28SCB%29_annual_Immigration_and_Emigration_2000-2017.png Total population of sweden is 10.1 million.

Sweden is almost 20% immigrants by population now, extrapolating from this 2012 data: https://www.ssb.no/en/befolkning/artikler-og-publikasjoner/_image/204256.png?_encoded=2f66666666666678302f35382f&_ts=1497a5de048

When they bring in so many people who typically need a lot of support, it's no wonder that their welfare financial situation is being significantly strained. Nothing wrong with immigrants, but don't take in more than you can actually support...

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T18:43:57+00:00

In the 18 years since the U.S. began the war in Afghanistan, taxpayers have shelled out upwards of $133 billion, and more than 2,300 American servicemembers have died there

All for that poppy, which is 90% grown in Afghanistan. Used to make all the opioids used in the US by pharma companies. This graph says it all: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/136E5/production/_106598597_afghan_opium_chart-nc.png

As soon as the Taliban banned poppy growing, the US invaded Afghanistan. This is the world we live in.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T18:37:57+00:00

True, I guess I imagined the french themselves will also run it permanently, as a way for france to get another base in saudi arabia

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T18:30:57+00:00

I agree the attacks benefit the oil prices. They also apparently benefit the military-industrial complex of france, who was able to sell saudi on this huge radar installation. I think they have to allow the french military because of OPEC or some other agreement too, not sure

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T18:29:12+00:00

Hmm.. I've assumed hostilities to be more knee-jerk than pre-meditated. But it could be an underestimation.

I had this same underestimation when I first came in to being a saidit admin.

However an additional consideration is that even if it is knee-jerk, sometimes making them aware of it still doesn't help, because they're angry in that very moment. This is an instance where I think like a 72 hour ban might be a good thing to have. We don't have the functionality of timer bans, but that is something we could potentially build someday.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T18:19:00+00:00

"It's april" lol

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T17:30:44+00:00

If you had clearly expressed what the problem is, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

This is the last time I will state it.

You need to stop attacking other users. You need to stop anything that even remotely resembles trolling. And you need to stop acting as if you're some sort of admin. Stop giving me and others advice about saidit when you clearly don't know what you're talking about. And if in doubt, don't say anything.

This is what I'm asking of you. Not going to state it again. Act right. You have 2 strikes. We are not revisiting this discussion again, I've said what needs to be said, and all that's left is to see you act appropriately and act with respect toward saidit and the users on saidit. I've given you so much leeway but I don't have infinite tolerance for this type of behavior. The way you act sometimes causes far more problems than it solves, and I think you know that.

Now that that's clear, goodbye. No more discussion is needed.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T16:02:09+00:00

Thanks for the thoughtful ideas! I think unfortunately the problem is not lack of awareness. Many people who act like that will do it even if they're perfectly aware they're doing it. Some (maybe even most) people do it with the intent of irritating others and upsetting the system. Most of the people we have problems with are like this, so programs that encourage awareness probably won't actually diminish the problem, and in fact might encourage more fighting as users will attempt to police each other's behavior more. So it's not a bad idea, but I think in a practice a different approach is needed.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T15:30:06+00:00

Part of the China Containment Strategy, no doubt. The same reason the US has invested so much in Japan, Taiwan, and the Philippines. Prospering economies don't want to switch sides, is the idea

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T15:20:15+00:00

Yeah I did vote it up. Just keep posting good content and the sub will grow. I think most people browse /all, so if you want the sub to be "a thing" then just keep it in the eye of the public frequently with good posts. I love data-driven posts that are well-sourced

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T15:06:30+00:00

That's true. I tried to find some data on number of sexual partners by city, but I couldn't find anything.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:51:21+00:00

No that's the obvious implication of the joke, to be violent against other people. We can't allow content advocating violence.

It's against the rules. You must follow the site rules while on this website or you're not welcome here, sorry. It's nothing personal, you just simply can't advocate violence here on this website, even if it's in the form of a joke. https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:46:56+00:00

In order to keep them you gotta bash them in the head with a metal pipe

You don't hit a fish in the head with a metal pipe to keep it alive, not sure if you've ever actually been fishing or not...

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:43:49+00:00

This article was written in 1967 /s

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:35:22+00:00

I police intent, because I'm the head admin. I have to make calls. I only gave you 1 strike, it's not a huge deal. Just maybe don't post jokes about murdering people with a pipe please

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:34:27+00:00

He's even worse than a cat!

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:30:36+00:00

I wonder how this correlates to like... how many people the average partner has had, in each of those cities. I bet it's somewhat correlated

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:26:46+00:00

Love Key and Peele. Such smart comedy. My favorite one is the hats one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pKt4gaErvU

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:23:50+00:00

They want your ad revenue.

You could make the same argument about political "outrage" articles

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:16:59+00:00

Hurry up and die, the world will be a better place without you. Sad fuck snitching on ppl. I bet u look pathetic. Please die.

Strike 2 on your account, no advocating violence. Read the saidit rules: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

This is your last warning. Do not advocate violence again or your account will be banned.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:12:13+00:00

Yeah we're done arguing. You behave and follow the rules, or you're gone. Simple as that.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:10:32+00:00

Thanks, much appreciated! Good to have actual sources.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:10:10+00:00

Yes but again the mod banned another user at the same time too, so it's not just about jason

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:09:15+00:00

We'd like to beat the shit out of u.

Strike 1, no advocating violence. Read the saidit rules: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:07:37+00:00

and just ban the fuckers as soon as they start their shit on here.

I mean I kind of agree, but also now you're just advocating banning anyone who questions things in a slightly SJW way, and that's not good either.

But if they do the whole pattern of things to completion, I am starting to agree that I shouldn't have infinite patience for these people, especially when they seem unable to recognize even they fact they've done anything in the first place.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:05:54+00:00

I still have no idea what I did to rub you the wrong way

Your lack of self awareness won't save you forever. I already told you many times over what the problem is.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:05:12+00:00

Ha yeah you have to type it in manually. The other day I wanted to see a subreddit's modlog and I forgot I couldn't... lol. Saidit has spoiled me

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:04:07+00:00

You realize some people say stuff like this and they're not joking even though it's a "joke", right?

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T14:02:27+00:00

Thank you :) Glad to hear you're a real person

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T00:41:24+00:00

should be shot dead like the animal he is...dump'd in acid so the body is never found

Hi advocating violence is against saidit's rules: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

You've been banned for this comment and others advocating violence.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T00:40:22+00:00

Thanks, that one is definitely a violation of our rules.

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T00:29:12+00:00

same, it's a great way to see activity

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T00:26:18+00:00

Sure thing, no worries. We've been here 2 years, and I was just excited at the prospect of someone having the required setup to port that beam app haha. Anyway, welcome to saidit, glad to have you here

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T00:16:30+00:00

Correct. Also https://saidit.net/s/all/comments/ is an unfiltered list of comments for the whole site if you have no subs muted

magnora7 · 2020-01-17T00:03:44+00:00

Removed, no advocating violence please. https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T23:42:28+00:00

But assuming the android app is mostly replacing reddit refs with saidits, would it be possible to use i.e. beam for ios?

Yes! Based on our research, Beam is our preferred iOS app to port. It's open-source. And like you say, it's basically replacing a bunch of 'reddit's with 'saidit's (not all of them though, most stayed 'reddit' in the API calls and stuff, which makes it even simpler). So beyond that it's really a matter of graphics and getting it on the app store so people can download it.

I think someone who knew exactly what they were doing could do it in a few hours. However neither d3rr nor myself have the apple dev environment required to develop it... that's one of the big hurdles too.

Anyway, I'd love to see Beam as our iOS app port. Do you have a apple computer and phone you can use to develop the iOS app?

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T23:37:19+00:00

I know, but he "genuinely misunderstands" so frequently and then speaks with authority that it's constantly creating administrative messes and misunderstandings that I have to clean up, and it's exhausting. Months and months of this.

Even if it is unintentional, it has caused me an awful lot of headaches over the last few months. It's the long-term pattern of doing this that makes me frustrated, not just this one instance.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T23:14:50+00:00

But for ios, why not a WebApp that runs on ios, android, windows, mac and linux?

We tried that at first, building an app using xamarin for all platforms, but fell apart. However d3rr was able to port redreader successfully to saidit, which is an open source android reddit app.

We'd love to have a multi-platform app like that, but we're also not going to give up on our android app because it has over 5000 installs.

Here's the github for the android app: https://github.com/libertysoft3/RedReader

I'm open to any approach, as long as we end up with an iOS app!

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T23:02:22+00:00

We have a prioritized to-do list that's about 70 items long, but it's private for now. The top things are an iOS app, some backend upgrades, and a crossposting system. We basically complete projects as we're able, but we're always looking for more coding help if you happen to know anyone.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T22:52:09+00:00

Yes there are a few subs that are that way by their own choice. We're thinking about making an unfiltered_all someday, or something similar, that has absolutely everything, including subs filtered in this way. Every sub still comes up in the subs list and /all/new currently, just not /all/hot

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T22:27:00+00:00

On the /all/new queue, yes. But not the /all/hot queue. We're going to add something to make it also apply to /all/new queue in the future

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T21:50:08+00:00

How come you didn't respond to any of my reports?

Not every report deserves a response.

I'm NOT a FUCKING LIAR.

Well, you lied before just then, and are now pretending it didn't happen.

And you know that, and you say that far too often about many people.

I actually very very rarely call anyone a liar, I honestly can't think of the last time I did it. So there again you made up a lie to smear me!

Saying nothing is actually a much better and more helpful option than making up lies.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T21:14:31+00:00

lol okay, enjoy being not understood by most people then

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T21:12:29+00:00

Alright, we can try it out and if it sucks we can change the part about /s/all, not a huge deal. I'm just trying to be consistent with what IP2 and incels have already done, more or less, just putting it in to writing.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T21:09:25+00:00

Reports only go to mods, not admins

This is the stuff I'm talking about, Jason. Reports go to both mods and admins. Why are you telling people otherwise when you don't know? You seem to lie with authority like that an awful lot. Please stop. If you don't know, then don't say anything.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T21:07:33+00:00

Reports only go to mods, not admins, and if the mod is the offensive author then...

I didn't know that, that makes a big difference.

Because it's false. Jason is making up crap and then speaking with authority for basically no reason. Reports go to both mods and admins.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T19:11:36+00:00

Here's the mod rule I just added. I changed 4 to 4a, and then added 4b:

4a) Mods cannot remove user comments that are both in good faith and on-topic.

4b) Mods CAN remove opposing opinions that are high on the pyramid of debate, and ban those users on that sub, if and only if the 2 following conditions are met: 1: The fact the sub removes opposing opinions is announced in the sub's sidebar. 2: The mods uncheck the sub setting "allow this sub to appear on /all"

What do you think?

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T18:53:20+00:00

Alright we'll give it a try then. Maybe once we get the similar 'show on /new' sub checkbox, we can add it to that same rule

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T17:45:51+00:00

Yeah I know what you mean. Maybe we'll give the new website a try someday soon. I need a good name, and a domain that's available for less than $20/yr though... let me know if you have any ideas.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T17:12:21+00:00

did a quick search, but couldn't find the podcast.

I've noticed it's oddly hidden in search results compared to my other 3 podcast interviews... Anyways here it is for anyone interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhrG2N2h1zs&feature=emb_title

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T17:05:48+00:00

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

I'd probably ban users who purposefully create conflict after a warning

Not a bad idea, but how do you define that exactly? What if two users are simply disagreeing over a political point? That's obviously not ban-worthy, but could be viewed as "creating conflict". You know what I mean? Is there a less subjective way to define what creating conflict means exactly? This is basically the intent of the pyramid of debate, to give us an objective metric to judge situations by. Maybe it's possible to create a "levels of causing conflict" which would be similar. Some types of causing conflict are more deliberate and harmful than others, and if there were some way of objectively evaluating that with a metric, then maybe this is a solvable problem.

Building a second website alongside SaidIt could work, but would people want to switch over? Would it be worth all the effort?

Well the beautiful thing is that it wouldn't be much extra effort at all. We already have all the machinery and know-how to make a second saidit in like 2 hours... no joke. And being admin for 2 sites is not that much different from being admin of 1 big site... Maybe I should do it. Some people might use both sites, who knows. Saidit wasn't much at first either, but now 2 years later...

In vain of that last idea you had, would it be possible to create something like Reddit's "Lounge"? Possibly a set of SubSaidIt's, protected under a "secret section" of the website that is only visible to certain accounts who have applied for/been given invites to it, or obtained a certain amount of karma (possibly a karma threshold for access to keep trolls/spammers out)?

Yeah that's not a bad idea, but honestly it might be easiest to have that on another website entirely rather than just one sub on this site. I'd rather it not be a "fringe" thing if possible, hidden in a private sub somewhere, I'd like it to be valued community that is front and center in its own domain.

Unfortunately karma screening is not a great way to keep out trolls, many will slow-play accounts to get past karma thresholds, and then start trolling. Maybe the new partner website could be invite-only at first, for people who have proven they post quality things on saidit?

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T16:52:31+00:00

Stop creating drama? Stop antagonizing other people? Stop posting gross non-sequiturs? Follow the pyramid of debate?

Those would be great starting points.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T16:45:41+00:00

will glom on to the most salacious and controversial tidbit and steer it into the side of a mountain of crap to mud-wrestle until distracted by the next feeding frenzy.

Yeah you're the one doing this the most out of anyone on this entire website, hence the strikes. This is the entire reason we have the pyramid of debate.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T16:33:54+00:00

Black Cube, right? I did a postcast interview about them

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T16:05:12+00:00

I want it to be lessened as well, but how? I guess I can become more hard-nosed about applying the pyramid of debate, but that's just going to result in many bans and a lot of angry users saying they were banned unjustly... the shit-slinging is a form of attack against saidit, and I recognize it as such, but the attack works because it's hard to differentiate destructive shit-slinging from a normal user having a bad day.

If you were me, what would you do to resolve the negativity and shit-slinging? I'm open to hearing new tactics and ideas.

Part of me just thinks that maybe it's impossible not to have when we're trying to have the full spectrum of ideas here, there will be disagreements. And that's fine. But it's just a decorum issue, and I don't know how to force people to have good decorum.

I'm kind of thinking of maybe someday starting a second saidit-like website alongside saidit, but with very strict decorum rules. Like floor-of-the-senate levels of decorum. Similar to hackernews. Would there be interest in this? Then we can have the best of both worlds

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T15:46:37+00:00

I didn't intend to stir drama

Then why did you make this big dramatic public post, instead of simply contacting the admins when you were banned?

If only your actions lined up with your intent.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T15:24:49+00:00

I think every big bill signing does this. I remember the PATRIOT Act being signed in by George Bush doing one signature with like 19 pens. So they write like 1 letter with each pen.

Watch Obama do it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUifl-w0CJE&t=1m50s

The pens become collector's items. I imagine some billionaire or thinktank person gets these, and shows it off in their home, like "This is the actual pen they signed the x act with". Just another way to grease more palms, typical politics lol

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T15:08:05+00:00

Maybe it needs a little comment so that to context is clear, so it's more meaningful...

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T15:05:44+00:00

Don't be like this.

Remember when we had that big argument that almost ended in you getting banned several months ago? I haven't forgotten... you're still on thin ice and I don't like to see you stirring drama like you are. You still have 2 strikes from before.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T14:49:02+00:00

Hello are you a real person or a bot? Can you reply to this please? If I do not hear a response in 48h I will ban this account as no one here speaks greek, and you have gotten no upvotes for your last few dozen posts... it's basically spam at this point, unless you can show me you're a human by replying. Thanks

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T14:44:02+00:00

Use your phone's web browser for 5 seconds then lol

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T14:21:52+00:00

Thanks, he's been permanently banned, advocating violence is not allowed

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T14:20:41+00:00

You're now permanently banned from saidit for advocating violence which is against site rules. https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T14:15:52+00:00

if a sub really wants to keep out dissenting opinion, it needs to be clearly stated in the sub rules

I agree with this, but then I think maybe the 'show on /all' box should then be unchecked for the sub, also similar to incels. Maybe we could make this official policy if you agree.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T14:10:46+00:00

He also removed /u/newguy who was just arguing a point. The strike that mod got was not just all about Jason. Look at the modlog for that sub

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T14:04:12+00:00

Moderators should have the right to choose who participates on their forum

You can, as long as you follow the saidit mod rules. We want to avoid echo-chambers here, because that's what destroyed reddit. If your ideology is so weak it cannot tolerate any questioning or differing opinions, then it's not a very good ideology.

But the only people who have been systematically denied that privilege has been conservatives.

False. And when you try and deny others their free speech based on your victimhood, you're no better than those you claim to despise.

We have higher standards here on saidit for free speech and open debate, and we will not allow you to censor others simply because you got yourself in to a mod position. These are the rules. https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/w6s/saidit_rules_for_moderators/

All you have to do, is tolerate dissenting opinions. Not asking a lot here.

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T13:54:27+00:00

He hasn't been seen since his first court date. Not even watched over by normal guards in prison.

Very interesting, I hadn't heard this but I wouldn't be too surprised. Happen to have a source by any chance?

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T13:53:44+00:00

Better than creating alt-right echo chambers that ban anyone who says anything against the mod's wishes.

It wasn't just about jason, that same mod also banned another user for basically disagreeing with the hivemind he apparently wants to build on the sub. It's not acceptable

magnora7 · 2020-01-16T01:42:51+00:00

Yes we have 4 mod rules that we enforce, in order to prevent the echo-chamber mod-fiefdom situation that occurred on reddit: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/w6s/saidit_rules_for_moderators/

The subs belong to the users, not to the mods. Letting mods go nuts with power is why reddit is now so broken.

magnora7 · 2020-01-15T23:20:28+00:00

while an occasional discussion seems like a reasonable effort to throttle it

That's what the strikes are

magnora7 · 2020-01-15T23:16:37+00:00

When in power: Discourage protests, maintain status quo

When not in power: Encourage protests, encourage change

Every 'side' does it. Oldest trick in the book. No one wants to rock the boat they own

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