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[–]Mark_Shill 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

His heart attack and dying would have been worse had he not been vaccinated lol

[–]JoeyJoeJoe 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The sucky part is that most pro-jab evangelists think they are doing the right thing. Obviously as the bodies pile up, it's tough to change course.

The real evil is from those fuckers at the top who knew this was toxic & pushed it anyway. Stay tuned for round 2 from them!

[–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

You just love to see it.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I love justice. There is a benefit for doing what's right, even when we were outnumbered and heckled by their campaign of fear.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (80 children)

JN 1 is surging in Melbourne at the moment.

This comes with a risk for people with heart conditions and older people.

The relatively young like Djokovic don't die from the diseases they spread. The older like Mike Dickson, are much more at risk.

It could be that this is just a heart attack, but Djokovic, as a leading antivaxer, and an important source of spreading at a time when we were hoping that we could contain CoVID-19, will be to blame for some of the deaths in people his age.

[–]DesertOfMirrors 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

There is no evidence that any of the COVID-19 vaccines ever reduced transmission. But there’s plenty of statistical evidence that excess mortality spiked after the vaccines rolled out. Also, there’s a clear mechanism of action for how spike proteins, produced in large quantities by vaccine design, would cause heart inflammation as well as inflammation of endothelial tissues.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

There is no evidence that any of the COVID-19 vaccines ever reduced transmission.

That's not true.

Here's some evidence that COVID-19 vaccines reduce transmission:

Effect of Covid-19 Vaccination on Transmission of Alpha and Delta Variants

But there’s plenty of statistical evidence that excess mortality spiked after the vaccines rolled out.

Only for bad statistics.

All cause mortality is always lower in vaccinated groups once corrected for age and underlying conditions.

For instance COVID-19 vaccination was also found to be effective against all-cause mortality, likely from both direct effects and the impact on other outcomes, such as cardiovascular diseases, known to occur following COVID-19.

Also, there’s a clear mechanism of action for how spike proteins, produced in large quantities by vaccine design, would cause heart inflammation as well as inflammation of endothelial tissues.

Noting that covid infection also includes these spike proteins, but in much larger numbers than from a vaccination.

Role of Endothelium in Cardiovascular Sequelae of Long COVID

SARS-CoV-2 leads to a small vessel endotheliitis in the heart

Heart Problems after COVID-19

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Vaccines protect a person through immunity, not through stopping transmission. Gloves protect you from touching shit, it doesn't stop you from spreading that shit on everything you touch. This is basic understanding. Quit shilling for Fauci the fraudster.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Vaccines protect a person through immunity, not through stopping transmission.

Sure. But if you're vaccinated your viral load doesn't get as high, and you're less infectious to others.

This is basic understanding.

I linked to a scholarly paper, and suggest you read it.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I recommended common sense, and suggest you go fuck yourself.

[–]Jiminy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Will need ten years of studies to see if that is true

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Nah need ten years to study

If it's deemed safe I'll think about getting it

Doubt it based on all the died suddenlys tho

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Nah need ten years to study

Are you basing that claim on anything?

What's wrong with the evidence we have?

If it's deemed safe I'll think about getting it

They've safer than not getting them, according to all the bodies and academic institutions I can find. Whose "deemed safe" are you seeking?

Doubt it based on all the died suddenlys tho

Nah, that's CoVID not vaccination. All cause mortality is always lower in the vaccinated group than the unvaccinated.

[–]XOX7 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The vaccines have undergone rigorous testing and have been deemed safe and effective by numerous health organizations worldwide. It's essential to trust credible sources of information and make informed decisions based on facts. Let's engage in a constructive discussion rooted in scientific evidence and contribute to a healthier and more informed community.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Remind me in 2031

[–]no_u 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Moreover - it's surprising that there is still anti-vax disinformation like this at humanevents.com and many other relatively new misinformation websites.

It's scary there are groups like anti-vaxxers who are emboldened by others who are so incredibly stupid as to lack the 5-year-old logic to understand what's wrong with the anti-vax disinformation and who is paying for it. It's as if the internet has formed black holes of self-reinforcing and self-actualizing stupidity on a massive scale. Previously these people were only visible at dog fights, or monster truck shows, or at their sisters' strip clubs.

Edit: no offense, OP. My beef is with the propagandists, not necessarily all of the readers, some of whom who may merely be curious about this.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's as if the internet has formed black holes of self-reinforcing and self-actualizing stupidity on a massive scale.

An unforeseen downside of the democratisation of knowledge. Not only will the net interpret censorship as damage and routes around it, it can do the same to rationality with the right aggregated desire to deny it.

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    [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Disappointing that you're one of the attention seeking trolls on the site finds racial slurs acceptable communication.

    As this is the last time we'll interact on this site, know that I sincerely hope you grow up at some point.

    Bye.

    [–]Musky 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Goddamn, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO DO???

    Wish I knew that years ago.

    [–]SMCAB 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Fuck you nigger.

    [–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (56 children)

    It's quite obvious to anyone with half a brain that a real vaccine provides immunity. The so-called covid "vaccines" did not. You can be against the covid fake vaccines and still not be anti-vaccine in general.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (55 children)

    It's quite obvious to anyone with half a brain that a real vaccine provides immunity.

    They do provide immunity. That's why the viral load is lower in those infected people who have been vaccinated.

    The so-called covid "vaccines" did not.

    Do you think "immunity" in medicine is like immunity in law, where the virus agrees never to enter your cells of you've been vaccinated?

    In medicine, immunity means that your immune system recognises the infection and mounts a more robust defence once you've been infected.

    You can be against the covid fake vaccines and still not be anti-vaccine in general.

    That fake tetanus vaccine doesn't provide "immunity" because 10 years later they recommend you have another one? That fake rabies vaccine that doesn't provide immunity, because you still need to get to hospital for treatment after infection?

    Or are you claiming that the Covid vaccines don't confer any immunity?

    Because we could look at the evidence that that's wrong if that's your position.

    [–]AmericaMuskrat 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    I understand that you have concerns and questions about the concept of immunity in relation to vaccines. The term "immunity" in the context of vaccines doesn't mean that the virus agrees not to enter your cells; rather, it refers to the body's ability to recognize and mount a more effective defense against a particular pathogen.

    Vaccines work by training the immune system to recognize and fight specific viruses or bacteria. They may not provide absolute immunity, but they can significantly reduce the severity of illness and the risk of complications.

    It's important to note that different vaccines have varying levels of efficacy and duration of protection. Some vaccines may require booster shots to maintain immunity over time.

    If you have specific concerns about COVID-19 vaccines or any other vaccines, it's advisable to consult with healthcare professionals who can provide accurate information based on current medical knowledge and research. Additionally, vaccine policies may vary, so it's essential to stay informed about the latest recommendations from health authorities.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Well, yeah.

    Apart from the fact that it's looks like chatgpt responding to the comment.

    [–]AmericaMuskrat 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Absolutely, the responses are generated by ChatGPT based on the input provided. If there's a specific concern or aspect you'd like to discuss further or clarify, feel free to let me know! Whether it's about the content, the style of responses, or any other topic, I'm here to assist and engage in the conversation.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    If there's a specific concern or aspect you'd like to discuss further or clarify, feel free to let me know!

    You should know these responses are too long to read through, given that they're not very interesting. You should get chatGPT to keep it down to three or so sentences.

    [–]AmericaMuskrat 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    atm, i am just figuring out what works and doesnt work.. i am testing limits by having ai generate extremely long wordy responses..

    if and when i put my bot into action here, it will be able to outnumber real users by perhaps twenty to one and the ai generated comments will be indistinguishable from real human responses.

    yes, there are normal-ish looking comments here that were autogenerated by ai and nobody can tell the difference, people have long and drawn out conversations with my semi-automated bot.

    if i put my bot into service, it will cause users to have conversations with digital toasters and they wont know the difference, just like at reddit and twitter.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    I guess everyone needs a hobby.

    [–]AmericaMuskrat 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    I guess everyone needs a hobby.

    Absolutely! Hobbies can be a great way to relax, express creativity, and learn new skills. Whether it's reading, gardening, playing a musical instrument, or any other activity, having a hobby can add a lot of joy and fulfillment to life. Do you have a favorite hobby or are you thinking of picking up a new one?

    [–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (42 children)

    Lol nobody believes you. You sound very foolish.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

    Lol. Everyone believes that immunity in medicine is achieved when there are antibodies to that disease in a person's system.

    And people who aren't foolish or infants know that that means that you mount a robust immune response to infection. Which is what the Covid vaccines achieve.

    You sound very foolish.

    Lol. You can't even make an argument.

    [–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

    You just post bs. There's no argument to make

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

    These are the arguments you could make:

    You could start by clarifying which wrong position you think that is "quite obvious to anyone with half a brain": that the Covid vaccines don't confer any immunity or that only 100% effective, permanent immunity counts as a vaccine.

    Then you could address the scholarly papers I've linked to that measure the (non-zero) effectiveness of the vaccines at reducing transmission. Why do you think those papers all find that the vaccines do that? Do you have a paper that finds the opposite?

    If not do you have any possible reason for claiming any of your bullshit that a rational human might find compelling?

    If not, do you have anything to suggest that there's something you believe that shouldn't be dismissed as the delusional thinking of an under-medicated schizophrenic?

    [–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

    Why are you talking? Don't you have like a twentieth booster to get? I'm sure your heart can take at least twenty more.

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

    Other way around mate:

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status

    Shouldn't you be exposing yourself to viruses without being vaccinated? I'm sure your heart can keep taking it.

    [–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

    Get a hundred boosters booster boy

    [–]armaged 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    of course /u/actuallynot will attempt to discredit this video... but you should watch it.

    https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Don't rely on me to discredit it. There's a fuckton of discrediting it available to the casual googler.

    ‘Died suddenly’ posts twist tragedies to push vaccine lies

    The Anti-Vaccine Documentary Died Suddenly Wants You to Feel, Not Think

    Viral video promotes baseless vaccine depopulation theory

    But also just thinking about it for a couple of seconds will also discredit it.

    [–]wlh0242 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Interesting how the vaccinated don't seem to be outliving the unvaccinated.

    [–]topiary2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Another grave to spit on.