I owe how much? Americans shocked by impact of new tax law

magnora7 · 2019-02-19T16:32:02+00:00

"The couple's effective tax rate was lower, but they still owed the government."

So they owed less taxes, they just didn't do their witholdings right. I guess this is kind of a non-story in a way, but it is interesting as an example of how changing tax codes can have all these unintended consequences for people who have "automated" their relationship to the tax codes

magnora7 · 2019-02-19T16:10:05+00:00

Although maybe I spoke too soon, it's just for "most situations": https://www.reddit.com/r/houston/comments/as5dyo/houston_police_to_end_use_of_noknock_warrants/

So this is likely PR/damage control

magnora7 · 2019-02-19T16:09:34+00:00

Thank god. One piece of good news for today.

dcjogger · 2019-02-19T16:00:30+00:00

Although Americans feel that tyranny is safer than freedom because they think government workers are holy gods, living in a police state is actually more dangerous because there is no accountability.

You wouldn't kill a kid on your own, but you would if the Gestapo told you to and you wouldn't feel any remorse because you were just following orders.

dcjogger · 2019-02-19T15:09:24+00:00

You know that you are in hell when you live in a police state are not allowed to say it.

dcjogger · 2019-02-19T14:48:23+00:00

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.

dcjogger · 2019-02-19T14:30:30+00:00

Americans scream for their chains.

Americans are so fearful, brainwashed, dependent, or ignorant that they think like children and justify every law and overlook every abuse carried out by the government. They believe government workers are kind gods who can do no wrong. Americans would rather blame the victim of government abuse than the government. Americans feel that the government can run their lives better they can and that safety is more important than freedom.

Americans feel that the correct response to tyranny is surrender. Americans believe the only ones who support freedom are pedophiles, hippies, retards, foreigners, terrorists, faggots, spammers, trolls, shills, bots, racists, junkies, CIA employees, traitors, nutjobs, Communists, or Fascists. Americans think freedom only benefits other people. Americans believe that they will never be a victim of tyranny. Americans think the only possible way to solve any problem is force.

Americans are so fat, degraded, and drugged up that they eagerly allow themselves to be molested to ride a bus, offer their fingerprints to get a driver license, and open their bags to be searched so they can ride a subway.

If Americans are asked about the US debt, they respond that it doesn't matter because it is not real money and doesn't need to be paid back. Americans say the USA should start a trade war because there might be a war. Americans say tax breaks are theft. Americans think the post office should lose money. Americans believe roads would turn to dirt and people would be forced to ride horses if there was a smaller government. Americans insist government decrees made the USSR successful. Americans feel countries are strong when white people are dead. Americans believe the US always had seatbelt checkpoints and TSA groping. Americans say revolting against the British was a huge mistake. Americans say interstate trade should be banned. Americans believe Americans do not live in the USA. Americans say those who love freedom do not use cash. Americans insist that the US didn't have black people before today.

Americans say taxes are too low. Americans think private corporations print the US dollar. Americans say building fewer houses indicates a booming economy and leads to lower home prices. Americans believe the government should set a maximum wage. Americans think unemployment is high because people are working two jobs. Americans believe North America was uninhabited before the Europeans arrived. Americans say Jesus was immoral.

Americans claim that they will start a blog when the US shuts down the Internet. Reporters are being arrested now, but Americans say reporters are never arrested. Americans say the US cannot revoke passports because Americans are dual citizens. Americans say cellphones cannot be wiretapped. The USSR had concentration camps, but Americans say the US could never afford them. Americans say high gas prices are not a problem because the US has unlimited oil.

Americans think the homeless should be beheaded. Americans insist that you can't have a society without concentration camps. Americans say everyone would be a slave if there was no minimum wage. Americans like low priced imports, but think companies are evil for off-shoring jobs. Americans say choosing to work for a wage means that you are exploited. Americans think those who oppose taxes support slavery. Americans believe being forced by the government to serve every customer means freedom. Americans feel everyone would be raped, stabbed, or shot by homosexuals if the US was a free country. Americans think people should be arrested for withdrawing money from their own bank accounts because they might do drugs. Americans say beer taxes should be raised to stop people from drinking. Americans don't mind having their faces scanned for a facial recognition database. Americans think the US had freedom because it became rich first instead of getting rich because it had freedom. Americans say responsibility means obeying unconstitutional laws.

Americans believe aluminum prices are cheap because the world is flooded by WWII salvage. Americans think tyranny that happened last week is no longer relevant. Americans scream facts are lies. Americans claim politics is not news. Americans believe living in a police state means freedom. Americans say good is evil. Americans believe gold is more abundant than silver. Americans think illegal immigrants should get welfare. Americans believe making a profit is theft. Americans think only white people are allowed to have freedom. Americans believe learning history and rebelling means that you will remain a delusional puppet of the police state. Americans insist that they live in a free country if they can get away with breaking laws. Americans think being dependent on food stamps means freedom. Americans think tyranny is acceptable if you live in a republic. Americans say the government should decide what the truth is instead of the media.

Americans think police officers who don't arrest suspects should be executed. Americans feel that computers should be outlawed because technology and high productivity leads to low wages and low prices. Americans believe the police state is necessary because dangerous machines and chemicals exist. Americans will say that the USA is collapsing because there is too much freedom.

Americans think people should be arrested for feeding the homeless. Americans think car owners should be jailed for warming their cars in their own driveways. Americans say the police should be allowed to shoot unarmed people in the back. Americans think porn should be banned because naked pictures destroy society. Americans believe the government should force them to buy things. Americans say the government should increase housing regulations to make rents unaffordable for black people.

Americans think the government should force car companies to install airbags that deploy with knives inside to kill drivers so that they will drive carefully. Americans believe people should be jailed for filming public buildings. Americans think endless wars are fine because US bombs are just gathering dust. Americans support government secrecy because the USA has enemies. Americans think taxes create more jobs than the free market can. Americans think government workers deserve high wages because they work hard. Americans feel that the economy should be destroyed to save the environment. Americans say that regulations encourage people to start companies.

Americans feel that everyone accused of crimes are guilty. Americans say people should be in prison to keep the unemployment rate down. Americans would rather increase punishments for victimless nanny state laws instead of repealing them. Americans think the desires of neighbors are more important than the rights of property owners. Americans believe the government owns everything because the government is the people.

Americans think billboards should be banned to protect the scenery. Americans want protesting to be outlawed because protesters might break windows. Americans think forcing people to stand for the national anthem means freedom. Americans say people are helpless so they need the government to force them to do everything. Americans would think a president who wants to restore the Constitution is a dictator.

When asked about gun control, Americans say it's needed for safety. If asked about free speech, Americans respond that no one should be offended. Americans think Muslims don't have religious rights because Islam is not a religion. Americans say asset forfeiture is fine because the police have been doing it for years. Americans defend NSA wiretapping because it's just metadata. Americans believe being molested by the TSA is good since they have nothing to hide. Americans say torture is okay because other countries do it. Americans even say the Bill of Rights should be abolished because George Washington owned slaves!

The collapse of the USA is disgusting and shameful.

Those who still support the government are just tools for the elites.

The US deserves everything coming to it.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/11/majority-of-americans-support-nsa-phone-surveillance/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/poll-finds-americans-tsa-pretty-good-job-airport-security-article-1.1133763

https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vortex-islam-is-not-a-religion

http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/17/poll-finds-americans-overwhelmingly-support-torture/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/its-time-to-blow-up-mount-rushmore/

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/arizona-republicans-vote-to-give-police-powers-to-arrest-people-planning-peaceful-protests.454930749/

http://www.badharvest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=188832#p188832

wizzwizz4 · 2019-02-19T11:19:17+00:00

??? I'm not even saying that the issue is significant, though I believe that it is! I'm just saying that we're focussing on the wrong numbers to determine whether it is significant.

We should be focusing on the net change in amount, and the difference between what is and what should be. Not gross figures. Does that make me right-leaning? I don't understand this whole "left right" thing.

dcjogger · 2019-02-19T03:21:22+00:00

Having a new boss won't change anything.

No one is going to work when everything is illegal and taxes pay for curfews, gun bans, NSA wiretapping, checkpoints, forfeiture, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, torture, kill lists, no fly lists, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, and Jade Helm.

The US stock market is a massive Ponzi scheme. There was a time when the stock market was based on reality, but that time is gone.

The stock gains have come from government cash injections and CEO's buying their own companies stocks back using company money to boost share prices and their own personal net worth.

The economy collapsed in 2008 and the government bailed out the bankers instead of arresting them. Nothing has been fixed.

Most people prefer to ignore a hard fact rather than face it.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. There was a bubble in 2001 and 2008. Both times there was a crash. Is this time different?

If debt is good, why doesn't the government print and borrow money to send monthly checks for $500,000 to every American?

The lazy are being sent welfare checks.

94 million Americans are jobless.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-94031000-americans-not-labor-force-participation-rate-stuck-38-year

Wages are flat. Minimum wages are going up only because of government decrees, not because of real free market growth.

Stocks are high only because of QE and the fantasy belief that the government can keep printing money to bail out companies forever.

Interest rates are low because the Fed is afraid to crash the economy and bankrupt the government with higher rates.

Oil prices are low because no one has any money anymore.

The US economy is a house of cards. A large chunk of the hollowed out US economy is basically just consumer, mortgage, student, and auto loans, government deficit spending, overpriced healthcare, and fast food/retail jobs.

How can anyone say the economy is good when wages are flat, corporate profits are falling, spending is falling, sales are falling, orders are falling, jobless claims are rising, gold is rising, stocks are falling, futures are falling, confidence is falling, net worth is falling, inventories are rising, and negative rates are being considered?

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-94610000-americans-not-labor-force-participation- rate-lowest-38

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/04/wage_growth_stagnant_since_200.html

http://www.themonitordaily.com/corporate-profits-fall-as-u-s-economic-growth-slows/21169/

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/us-construction-spending-falls-0-4-percent-in-november/

http://www.toledoblade.com/Retail/2016/04/13/US-retail-sales-fall-in-March-as-Americans-buy-fewer-cars.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/powersource/latest-oil-and-gas/2016/01/28/US-durable-goods-orders-fall-5-1- percent-in- December/stories/201601280163

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/money/business/2015/03/06/jobless-claims-rise-highest-level-nine-months /24502837/

http://elkodaily.com/mining/gold-rises-above/article_4a5eb51b-ac0c-535c-80be-22c3a79dd6d2.html

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-stocks-fall-weak-data-220211387.html

The US is headed for a complete economic collapse, a civil war, and WWIII.

Many people are complacent because their government checks are good now and they still have electricity and running water, but there is no doubt the US economy will collapse one day.

No country can print and borrow their way to wealth. Rome, Germany, Zimbabwe, Japan, and Greece couldn't do it.

The US economy might continue for 2 or 5 or 30 years, but one day the house of cards will crash. The US dollar will be worthless, there will be inflation, deflation, banks will shut, bankruptcies and foreclosures will rise, businesses will close, unemployment will soar, there will be bail-ins, capital controls, negative interest rates, riots, bank runs, bank holidays, and gold may be outlawed. Think 1929, 2008, and Greece all in one.

American jobs have been offshored, illegal immigrants are flooding the country, and the US is bankrupt. The government is punishing hard work with taxes and regulations while rewarding laziness with welfare. The government knows this fraud can't continue forever which is why they're building a police state and trying to start wars with Iran, North Korea, Russia, and China to distract Americans and boost the economy.

The world is now in another bubble and governments realize that they cannot print money forever.

The Fed has no more bullets, but the government has real ones.

Think.

http://www.campidiot.com/ci/viewforum.php?id=28

Tom_Bombadil · 2019-02-19T02:28:11+00:00

I never would have thought I'd be for guns, Holocost and Climate denial, etc etc etc.

Amen.

JasonCarswell · 2019-02-19T02:15:01+00:00

I never found either side was good at listening.

"They" are intentionally destroying the left. From union busting, to "feminism", to SJWs, to blatantly rigged elections, and now full term abortions, etc. The "organized" corporate-left resembles an insane asylum and nothing of the authentic progressive-left. I hate even saying I lean left now. I lean Green, but will not abide astroturf.

I'm still not into religion or conservative sex issues but over the last few years I've grown to consume almost 50/50 media. Conservative-liberal, religious-atheist, whatever as long as they have authentic views. I may not agree with them but at least I'll understand them and their context. I've changed a lot of my views and am even more committed to others, yet respect the differences. I never would have thought I'd be for guns, Holocost and Climate denial, etc etc etc.

Tom_Bombadil · 2019-02-19T01:33:48+00:00

I love it. NYT realizes that academia regards them as the paper of historical record. They take their propaganda seriously, but often leave nuggets of truth (where they can hide them).

It would be interesting to see if there was a big event in the news at the time that served as a distraction to the editors.

Tom_Bombadil · 2019-02-19T01:25:18+00:00

It's a tragedy. I don't think it's all Amazon, though.

Declining incomes have to be just as big a factor.

Tom_Bombadil · 2019-02-19T01:04:54+00:00

Dude. You are lost.

You've come to the right place though. JasonCarswell are left leaning, and I can help show you the way back to reality.

Tom_Bombadil · 2019-02-19T01:01:19+00:00

Me too. However, having been proven wrong on a number of issues, I have a profound respect for the right.

I don't necessarily agree, but I have found that the right is much more willing to listen, and change their view; based on clearly presented evidence.

The organized left struggles to accept change. IMO.

I would have said I'm on the left in the past, but that word has lost much of it's previous meaning.

JasonCarswell · 2019-02-19T00:49:57+00:00

Dogma and tribalism. I might have been more skeptical about Climate Change earlier on if I'd always leaned right.

Tom_Bombadil · 2019-02-19T00:29:35+00:00

Hopefully soon. It's tough to come around to reality. The propaganda gets you in childhood. It's a dogma.

JasonCarswell · 2019-02-19T00:27:26+00:00

I was hoping they got woke.

magnora7 · 2019-02-18T23:16:58+00:00

The content doesn't relate to the title very well? Where's the mention of Trump deciding to do anything

Tom_Bombadil · 2019-02-18T22:49:09+00:00

It sounded like they still agree with the man-made climate change scam.

Well intentioned, but mislead.

wizzwizz4 · 2019-02-18T18:07:03+00:00

The important figures are:

The difference (not ratio) between the produced and absorbed quantities of greenhouse gases.
The proportion of the atmosphere containing the gases.

The first is, for want of a better word, the deficit. The second is, seriously for want of a better word, the debt (though the "zero" point is not "no greenhouse gases"). It doesn't matter how much we produce, how much nature produces, how much volcanoes emit… What matters is how much is being added every year, and the difference between the level that it's at and the level that it should be; we should be paying attention to the size of those numbers to determine the significance of this issue.

JasonCarswell · 2019-02-18T14:12:18+00:00

After discovering The Juice Media on SaidIt a few months back I watched their Honest Ads back catalog. A few years ago they still bought the Climate Change hype, as did I. In their recent ad I think they may have switched. What do you think? /s/conspiracy/comments/c9s/honest_government_ad_the_abc/

I can't tell if it's part of the overall satire or if it's embedded satire within the satire or both, or even what they're thinking.

Tom_Bombadil · 2019-02-18T06:06:34+00:00

Planting trees is great.

Awards all around!

JasonCarswell · 2019-02-18T06:03:04+00:00

I agree. But planting trees is good.

dcjogger · 2019-02-18T05:03:03+00:00

Americans used to believe in freedom.

http://www.naplesnews.com/story/opinion/contributors/2017/07/01/commentary-land-free-and-home-brave/427082001/

Now Americans would need to be mentally ill to think tyranny won’t get worse.

Who would have thought in 1980 that the USA would soon have curfews, gun bans, NSA wiretapping, checkpoints, forfeiture, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, torture, kill lists, no fly lists, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, and Jade Helm?

During the Wild West in the US, everyone could carry guns, businesses were not licensed, no one had Social Security numbers, there were no sales, income, or property taxes, and drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, and prostitution were legal.

There was little government, yet people lived and had freedom.

http://www.harrybrowne.com/GLO/DrugWar.htm

The government today is regulating every area of everyone’s life.

The government wants to tell us what to do, what to think, where to live, how to live, what to wear, and what to eat. Saying you live in a free country with a straight face is difficult when everything is illegal.

How can anyone take the moral high ground on anything when we are all criminals?

In the US, your body is not your body, your property is not your property, and your kid is not your kid.

Government is not the solution to problems. Government IS the problem.

Alcohol prohibition failed. The Soviet Union failed.

http://www.bradford-delong.com/2008/02/why-the-soviet.html

Anyone who supports the police state is just a tool for the elites.

Too bad Americans are surrendering liberty so easily.

Why did the USA fight for freedom against the British, Hitler, and Saddam if America just ended up as a police state? All those American soldiers died in vain.

The elites are trying to weaken and divide Americans by race, gender, handicap, penalizing hard work, encouraging welfare use, and pushing immorality while using fear, terrorism, drugs, false flags, discrimination, hate speech, Russian propaganda, and fake news laws, and wars on cash to make Americans give up their free speech rights, religious freedom, guns, right to silence, privacy, property, right to trials, freedom from torture, and the freedom from extrajudicial assassination.

https://fee.org/articles/the-growth-of-government-in-america/

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Wake up.

Think.

Pass the word.

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