NYC Mayor Defends Ban on Religious Gatherings, Says Black Lives Matter Protests OK Because of ‘Profound Meaning’

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[–]cant_even 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

There is now an official state religion in the US.

Note the similarities to the other kind:

  1. Revealed 'truth'. (Listen and Believe!)
  2. A Catechism (the "Narrative").
  3. Chosen People ('Protected Classes').
  4. Original Sin which cannot be expunged without 'repentance' ('privilege')
  5. 'Heretics' aren't just wrong, they're evil or even non-human, and there are no limits on what can be done to oppose them. ("No bad tactics!")

I submit that this is just another prole-control mechanism in the classic pattern. It's no less top-down authoritarian than the medieval Church.

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    [–]AllStr8SexIsRape 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    BLM is a fucking hate group, plain and simple. https://www.sdjewishworld.com/2020/06/11/blms-anti-semitism-must-be-addressed/

    [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This is exactly how October revolution went. The Jews founded the party and deposed the king and then a lot of jews got fucked in the process as well. Let's not make the same mistake again...White people bad, Jewish people good, get at em niggs!

    [–]Dr_Bukkake 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    “That sounds racist” now means you are making to much sense and I have nothing to refute what you just said.

    [–]Erasmus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I have to laugh when you see people using the term "original sin" who don't even believe in the concept of sin.

    [–]jamesK_3rd 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Excellent analysts. There is one left though.

    • 6. Salvation (through repentance and Actions) -- donations to groups Such as planned parenthood, climate catastrophe groups, anti 2A groups -- taking steps from these climate groups are the first steps towards salvation

    [–]Trajan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The problem is that SJWs offer penance minus salvation/forgiveness.

    [–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It's just a different form of salvation.

    If you look back on the past, when these individuals get ostracized from the collective, there are definitive steps they have to take to be returned to the collective.

    Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein both came out after their respective outting events occurred, they put out pressers that they'd be donating to climate change groups. I'm the case of Weinstein, i think he even pledged to donate to planned parenthood and several anti 2A groups. That's pretty much standard practice, even among non elites. I think several of the parents involved with getting their adult children into their preferred college of choice made similar donations after they were outed paying their child's way to the front of the line.

    But depending on who you are, you're correct that salvation can never be reached. We see multiple elite white individuals placate groups such as BLM, but they can never earn enough forgiveness, even if they do attain it for a short moment.

    [–]Trajan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That's a good point. A change in identity can help. Announce a popular identity (e.g. gay, trans, or Muslim) and, so long as you also denounce your former views, you'll be forgiven. Nobody below that identity in the progressive stack can easily condemn a person with the right identity and expressing the right views. A low-value identity plus a change in views is far less likely to elicit forgiveness.

    [–]filbs111 20 insightful - 5 fun20 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

    BLM protests are religious gatherings.

    [–]BravoVictor 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This is correct.

    [–]joewest1313 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    more like cults but yeah.

    [–]ech 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    this is apt and obvious

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The face mask is a religious ritual which serves a similar role to the communion. These are all new religious movements.

    [–]StillLessons 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

    Liberalism is a religion. It fulfills the same "create meaning from the chaos around us" function that religions are designed to do. It has its priests and its doctrine. Those who disagree with it are considered heretical, and we all know that heretics end up dead.

    The difference is that because there is no God or Heaven, there is no hope in the chaos among liberals. All they have is their obsession with their doctrine, which keeps leading the areas they dominate into shithole status, and then they proceed to execute witch hunts to explain the failure of the same thing that keeps failing, again and again and again...

    When people realize that this is a religious movement, their actions cease to be a mystery and become much more predictable.

    [–]BobQuixote 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    Eh, that applies to a subset, sure. Plenty of leftists are level-headed and not looking for Nazis to punch. You just don't generally hear about the reasonable people on the other side, same way they mostly hear about the sensational nutjob right-wingers.

    [–]StillLessons 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    When I was younger, I was a liberal, and I was proud of it. Liberals in those days were more prone to reason than those on the right. We discussed issues and left open the possibility of being wrong. At that time, the I was one of the leftists you describe.

    But as aThievingStableboy says, the government-scale institution representing Liberals (the Democratic party) has now completely jumped the shark. By employing censorship, they are stating that their ideas may not be considered wrong, and that anyone who disagrees with them is heretical. Given that the issues being discussed are social issues, there is no quantifiable science to this. There is no material basis for claiming a "right" and a "wrong", only social acceptance or not. This is textbook religious territory.

    I abandoned the left for two reasons, initially because having witnessed the cycle of the left's "solution" played out enough times in enough places, it clearly doesn't work. Redistribution is a noble idea. I approve of the idea, and with little experience, I promoted it. But with a few decades more experience, it becomes clear this philosophy does. not. work. Time to move on.

    The more important reason in the long run, however, is what we are discussing here. Any philosophy which claims to represent the "only acceptable answer" is a fast track to mob-violence, state-sanctioned. We've witnessed this play far too many times, and I will speak against it for as long as I am allowed.

    [–]BobQuixote 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I agree with all of that, except my path has been different (and shorter). I was raised as a Republican, a conservative. Now I take a libertarian approach to policy and arrive at roughly centrist conclusions.

    While I was moving away from Republican orthodoxy, the party moved in the other direction. It is now fully, and was already partially, the other party of big government.

    Not only that, the GOP is now deliberately running against institutional norms to gain power, undermining the rule of law in the Supreme Court, and attempting to disenfranchise those who would vote for opposing candidates. This is not my conservatism.

    Yes, leftists are, by and large, self-righteous, and many of their ideas are broken. They are enabled in their self-righteousness by the Republicans clearly gripping the wrong answers. And the worst part is we only have two options. Reasonable people will be found picking each of them.

    [–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    I'm a vocal vote for None of the Above. Each party leads to a different form of evil. My not voting will not stop the process, but it is the best I can do, at least to assure that they do not gain momentum or legitimacy from my personal energy, small though that may be. By voting the lesser of two evils, you give energy and legitimacy to recognized evil. Given that this evil includes clear child exploitation and murder (on both sides), this cannot be viewed helplessly as somehow "better than the other side...."

    [–]BobQuixote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Given that this evil includes clear child exploitation and murder

    What are you referring to?

    [–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Look up the case of republican Larry King in the 1980s. Then think Epstein and his clear political connections. It's right in front of our faces. Just need to see it.

    [–]BobQuixote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I looked at King's Wikipedia article and don't see anything that fits your description. Even so, King and Epstein would not be enough to support your claim.

    [–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    First, let's make sure we're talking about the right Larry King.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations

    Now, this is Wikipedia, which has downplayed many "conspiracy theories" in the past. Because Wikipedia is biased toward more "official" sources, there is a natural anti conspiracy-theory bias there. That's fine. This is one perspective to balance against other perspectives.

    If you're willing to do a little more digging, this one comes up:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQHrbJPhus4 (The Franklin Coverup - The Discovery Channel)

    Now what's so fascinating about this is that this is from 1993, and the Discovery Channel was hardly a raving factory of "conspiracy theory". This is a very mainline source, who were prevented from broadcasting this. That in itself is very interesting. Then - if you are willing to watch it, you can see the actual people making the accusations. The ones actually involved. Then it becomes a question (as all questions are) of Who Do You Believe? And if you decide to believe those who claim this was a hoax, then we disagree. I've had contact with a lot of addicts and beaten-down people in my real life over the years. Spent a fair amount of time in 12-step rooms. There is a quality to reality that I trust myself to recognize. Actors come close, but there is something else there. I see these accusers, and I believe them.

    There is also a video (though I have lost the link) of the interview with one of these accusers by the police. I wish I had that, because there's further credible evidence in there.

    But again, in the end this will come down to Who Do You Believe? I believe these accusers, and I do not believe the people who claim this is all just conspiracy theory.

    Lastly, if you believe that after his history with Monica Lewinsky, where he was forced into the open in front of us all, that Bill Clinton was just "casually associated" with Jeffrey Epstein, we really have little to talk about. Clinton is a very gifted liar. Are you willing to accept that? Given how fluently he lies, why in the hell would anyone believe a word he says about this, where he has the most to hide?

    Agree with what I say here or not. Disagreement represents a difference in perspective as to the level of moral decay we currently face in our society. I see society-ending moral decay. Maybe you don't. I wish you the best either way.

    [–]BobQuixote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, I appreciate the extensive reply; I did not expect an attempt to fill out that evidential support.

    I've started watching the video, but it's so long I replied before finishing it. I'll resume it later. It is at least better than what I saw for PizzaGate when that came out.

    I'm pretty sure there is corruption involving some sort of sex-related activity (per Epstein's death), but I'm not convinced it has infected essentially the entire government, or that it involves a vast human trafficking network, or that it has anything to do with something so cartoonish as Satan worship or cannibalism.

    I'm not sure my answer to all this, if I were to end up agreeing with you, would be not voting. The two things I can think of are 1) no change - there's nothing to do until something shakes out so you know the enemy, or 2) work in politics as an aide, or get some other job close to the suspects in order to shake something out myself.

    [–]aThievingStableboy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    adgasf

    [–]BobQuixote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Marxism is a bit of a stretch.

    Racial anger, certainly, partially justified but poorly directed at the offending problems. Hatred is surely mixed in there, but I don't expect to see any white pogroms.

    And yes, the whole thing has been coopted by someone, probably the DNC but maybe just the BLM heads, for political power.

    But there are real underlying issues. I wouldn't expect leftists to drop support for BLM until they are addressed, although I'm sure there is some line where the consensus would break down and BLM would start losing support. I have no idea where that line is.

    Democrats and Republicans each have their groupthink, and reasonable people are just left to resist it.

    [–]aThievingStableboy 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    sdfgasdf

    [–]BobQuixote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    A stretch? One of their founders literally came out and said “we are Marxist”.

    Do you think that applies to everyone involved in the movement? I very much don't.

    Do you think they're actually aiming to replace the federal government? I'm sure they'd like to, but I doubt they expect to.

    If you read their website it’s like the new communist manifesto - they literally want to burn down the country and destroy “white culture”. Those people are the enemy of civilized society.

    OK, I don't know where you're getting this from.

    https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

    https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

    I don't see anything about that.

    [–]aThievingStableboy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    aergaefsd

    [–]BobQuixote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It is a stretch that BLM is Marxist. No goalposts are in motion. I highly doubt you could put even a large minority of it in that bucket.

    And you never did point out where their website advocates tearing the country down.

    Their website is full of neo-Marxist drivel like "dismantling the western prescribed nuclear family".

    And they mention in the same section that this means they regularly associate with more-extended family. The horror.

    Yet, you're still happy to defend them. I'm starting to get the idea you simply share their ideology.

    sigh I approach policy as a libertarian and arrive at roughly centrist conclusions. No, I'm just sick of people vilifying each other rather than attempting to see how they can both be satisfied.

    [–]goatmeal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    max stirner did an excellent job comparing liberalism to christianity by saying they both believe in the sacred

    [–]Matrage 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Well actually according to media now the protests are helping STOP the spread of the virus. But, going to the playground with my kids will kill generations of people. Ugh.

    [–]aThievingStableboy 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

    aergfdabvcasdf

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Duh, COVID19 just realizes that demonizing White people is more important right now. Scientists said it, so it must be true. After all, everyone knows Science is devoid of political bias.

    https://files.catbox.moe/yv2a2s.png

    Imagine this slide in the context of dog breeds, that are much less genetically distinct than human racial groups. :/

    [–]aThievingStableboy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    asdfasdfasdf

    [–]konoplya 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    ah yes, another religion of "peace"

    [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    DeBlasio can suck my de-balls-io

    [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    godlessness is a path to ineptitude

    [–]AllStr8SexIsRape 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Goyism is worse than godlessness. Which is worse: worshiping a false god or no god at all?

    [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    are you a member of the synagogue of satan?

    [–]Themagicalmidget 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm not even religious and this double standard pisses me off. I can't imagine how I would feel if I was.

    [–]proc0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "My religion, not yours"

    Preventing this kind of bigotry is the primary reason this country was created. Let's hope we are still enough in numbers to fight back.

    [–]ThePlague 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Blatant 1A violation, made the more evident by selective application. This is coming from an atheist.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You think they care about a piece of paper. Bush didn't.

    [–]mrgoober 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    These are the same evil fucks who forced Covid-19 positive people to quarantine in nursing homes. Thereby killing thousands of elderly. This is the nail in the coffin, you cant legitimately excuse this premeditated murder. Why would you listen to anything these evil fucks say? They are evil.

    [–]AllStr8SexIsRape 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Fucking kraut piece of shit pretending to be a wop piece of shit. Either way, his ethnicity is still responsible for Nazi war crimes. Arrest him for antisemitism.

    [–]goatmeal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    nietzche predicted this when he was talking about the death of god

    [–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Just completely proving that US liberals and activists don't actually care about black lives at all.

    Someone should start a campaign about it. What should we call it?

    [–]m68k 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    CUCK'd :3