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[–]Erasmus 36 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 0 fun37 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

Don't get too comfy here. In the next few years, we're going to see the Redditization of the internet as a whole, as ISPs, domain registrars, and all other private sector services are enlisted in the war against white people's self-preservation.

[–]AFutureConcern 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

We need to build. We need to build a parallel everything. We need separation from this globohomo system. It will be small - but it will be ours. Start signing up to groups that can achieve this.

[–]Erasmus 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Exactly. It's disgusting that so much of our money as a people goes to corporations that are literally trying to destroy us. This is something we can and must change.

[–]Aureus 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed 100%. At this point, a boycott is absolutely essential. I'm going to use my sub /s/Activism for this purpose. Check out this thread and let me know what you think:

https://saidit.net/s/Activism/comments/5309/the_great_boycott_a_megathread_on_companies_to/

[–]lithre 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Need more people to wake up for that to happen.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We need to build. We need to build a parallel everything.

Absolutely agree. I will not go gently into that good night.

[–]Aureus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Check out /s/Activism and please share ideas there (although the more places you post, the better).

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Will do. Thanks for the link.

[–]kangarooninjadonuts 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

We need to learn from the Marxists, infiltrate the institutions that they took over and beat them at their own game.

[–]AFutureConcern 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The problem with this is that there is a fundamental asymmetry between left and right. Right is order; heirarchy, and left is disorder; entropy. It's far easier to subvert institutions to destroy the established order than it is to "subvert" a leftist-run mess (see CHAZ/CHOP) into some kind of order.

That's why my suggestion is to build. We need institutions in place that are our own, so that when the globohomo system eventually decays, we will have something ready to take its place.

[–]kangarooninjadonuts 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, I consider myself a centrist, certainly further left on some key issues than most here. My real issue is the demonization and silencing of the right, regardless of whether or not I agree with their positions, free speech is sacrosanct. Maybe those of us who are sufficiently disorderly and subversive can play that game while you're building a whole new one. A two front war, lol.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Their strategy is to prevent us from being able to organize. We can do the same, disrupt their ability to organize, supply themselves, etc. That's entropy-lowering.

[–]Aureus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The first time I raised the idea of Righties learning from Lefties, a lot of people greeted it with derision. Plenty still do. That’s a terrible attitude, one that Righties need to overcome if we want to win.

Some Righties argue that we don’t need to learn from Lefties, because Righties are just better. You’ve heard it, I’m sure: “Lefties are weak, Lefties are cowardly, Lefties are afraid of work.” But absolutely none of that is true. Lefties are tough. Lefties are brave. Lefties are smart. Lefties are the hardest workers you’ll ever see.

Part of the issue here is cultural. Some of the ways Lefties get and use power are very culturally offensive to Righties. It’s hard to intellectually appreciate a difference in values when every fiber of your being is telling you that the other person is just being an asshole. And it’s hard to see the mechanics at work, because the press talks about Lefty movements and moments as if they magically just happen.

But other parts of this attitude go back to high school civics class. Political movements are part of civics, too, but schoolbooks don’t talk about how they actually work. In high school civics we talk about bills, and we talk about laws, and we talk about the three branches of government, but we don’t ever talk about power. We talk about Rosa Parks, but not the Highlander Folk School; we talk about Martin Luther King, Jr., but not Ella Baker. Which means that we don’t address huge parts of how the world actually gets changed.

The above four paragraphs are from the following article: https://status451.com/2017/11/11/radical-book-club-what-righties-can-do/

Please check it out, it's highly relevant to this topic and will open your eyes.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Unfortunately since they already subverted our institutions they are too on guard and prepared for us to do the same. The best approach is parallel institutions, life raft strategies, underground economies, samizdat etc.

[–]Aureus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What do you mean by a life raft strategy? I understand the general concept just from the name, but is there anything deeper to it?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Two weeks ago someone shared a 45 minute audio clip from Nick Griffen of the BNP. Nick made a scary convincing case that the electoral strategy is totally lost to dissidents/white nationalists. At the end of the video he calls for a 'life raft' strategy but he doesn't go into a lot of detail. My guess is it means home schooling, small groups, small towns, underground markets, etc.

[–]RealFerdinandFoch 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nick Griffin caught a lot of flak a while ago for saying that White Westerners should all go and replace the peoples of Eastern Europe because they're more baste and don't have mass migration, and that he hoped to lead the charge. I hope it's homeschooling and parallel institutions he means and not just more nonsense like that.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

seek power. engage in territorial acquisition. there is no excuse for not doing at least as much as can be done within peaceful and legal means.

[–]Aureus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I strongly recommend you read this article and other things this author has written on this subject. It opened my eyes:

https://status451.com/2017/11/11/radical-book-club-what-righties-can-do/

Let me know what you think of it!

[–]yellow_algebra_31 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's also "rules for radicals" for using leftist tactics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals#The_Rules

[–]Aureus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm with you. We need to start setting up alternatives. Check out my sub /s/Activism, I want to use it for this purpose.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That was a decent sub back in the day, useless though since it's been quarantined.

There is no point in going to Voat because you'd be preaching to the choir. This is actually the best platform for migration, because people do debate here. You are right though - none of these spaces will last. The future is in places like ZeroNet probably.

[–]Aureus 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no point in going to Voat because you'd be preaching to the choir.

Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who understands this. Too many people push reddit alternatives without realizing they only silence you from the mainstream.

The only point in using a reddit alternative is if:

1) It starts seeing mainstream use, or

2) It functions as a place for intelligent discussion.

Voat is neither of those. They shut the door on mass appeal by being edgy and glowposting. And there's very little intelligent discussion, it's mostly just outrage porn news articles. Saidit can be better in both respects.

[–]eth0[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Of course not. Nowhere is really safe to relax for any extended period of time. It seems we will have to turn to internet nomadism.

[–]Aureus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That would be an interesting proposition. One of the coolest ideas I've heard is co-opting SJW subs, the way r/GamersRiseUp was co-opted. For example, r/TheRightCantMeme is literally a subreddit full of right-wing memes. There's no way to prove if someone is posting a meme critically or uncritically.

[–]Albatros 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You need to request access to post and there is also a karma minimum. But still some good memes do pass.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Probably IRL nomadism as well. (and that might not be a bad thing)

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And we will respond with truly federated platforms like nobodyhasthe.biz

[–]Aureus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Could I get a quick rundown on that site?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know much about it. It's a Lemmy instance and it's federated so if it gets big some tech company can't easily take it down. It's very small now but I like the way it works and many of /ourguys/ are behind it so it has a chance. After you make an account ask the guy that runs it about it and I'm sure he will give you more info.

[–]Aureus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the info!

[–]Riva 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If they can't take it down through a ddoss they'll target it like it's a pirate site and use the law to silence us. Do we fight? If we run, where do we run to?

Seriously.

[–]Salos10000 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Build here and keep finding new platforms to mass migrate too. Think of how the Jews operated.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

mesh networking.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You ended up being totally right on this by the way. After DAR went down on reddit and we worked hard to bring people over here the admin on saidit started playing tricks. They blocked us from s/new and snuck into our subreddit and made moderator decisions without are approval. I'm not sure how much you're using saidit right now so I hope you get this. We have set up a new guild on ruqqus. Hopefully that site leaves us alone.

https://ruqqus.com/+DebateTheDissidentRight

[–]Riva 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

this is like watching a city fall. Because it keeps shooting it's own buildings and stuff.

Just like when digg went down. Everyone knew what was going on. Everyone watched from reddit laughing at their stupidity. Some people said 'why won't they listen!? don't they understand they're destroying what made it great." Most were happy to watch it burn.

Don't be sad that it's gone. Be glad that it happened. Fuck reddit post 2012. and FUCK /U/SPEZ.

[–]Salos10000 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Keep rebuilding and remain optimistic

[–]Themagicalmidget 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

These people don't seem to understand that all they are doing is making these groups more of a counter culture and thus giving them forbidden appeal. If you tell people again and again that they are not aloud to look or read somthing you better believe more will do so.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's give 'em something compelling to see.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. Just saw it. Sad day. Try to message as many people as you can to get them to our liferaft subs like this one and nobodyhasthe.biz

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (12 children)

HEY HARD-CUCKS, they didn't like you, they never liked you.

I was permabanned from r/debatealtright twice simply for being annoying. That was totally fine, I know that I'm annoying as fuck on top of NOT being neither white nor a member of the alt-right, the userbase of the subreddit largely supported me getting permabanned which is fine. But when the subreddit itself is banned for basically the same reason, suddenly it's outrageous and fucked up...... I was never a member of the alt-right but I used to broadly support your cause up until I realized you are leftists. You have no consistency, you will talk a big game but cuck out when it matters and your self-awareness is shit. You want the same things as other leftists but whine when they get their way. Pathetic.

The wildly misnamed 'alt-right' is a disappointment and an embarrassment. No, not because 'muh racism' but because you are too stupid to be effective on your own and you are too cowardly to be used for a greater cause. 0/10, gg.

[–]LookAtThatNose 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

We are socially far right. Economically centrist/center-left usually. That does not qualify as 'leftist'.

At least be honest mate. Just because we are not lolbertarians like you, does not mean we are 'leftist'. We just don't have retarded economic policies and leftist (yes, leftist) social policies like you.

If anyone's a leftist, it's you being a lolbert.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We are socially far right.

/facepalm

That means you're a leftist, dipshit. There is no 'socially', there is only government. Your political alignment is derived from what you believe the proper role of government is. You support absolute government overreach to achieve exactly the same ends as other leftists and you support a totalitarian system of government, I.e. socialism. Tell me in what way you are different from the other leftists [SPOILER: There are no differences]. Thanks for proving my point.

At least be honest mate.

I am honest, always. The problem is you're stupid and have no idea what you're talking about, couple that with zero self-awareness and that leaves you identical to the other leftists. I am more so annoyed that I ever supported any of you or your cause, I should have realized immediately what you are.

[–]LookAtThatNose 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We are socially far right.

That means you're a leftist, dipshit

You're no better than a cuckservative/qtard spewing drivel like this. We are racial collectivists. We have far right social, and center/center left economic views. We are in no meaning of the word 'leftists'.

Your political alignment is derived from what you believe the proper role of government is

Are you Adam Kokesh? This is a seriously delusional take. Your political alignment is how you advocate using the government once you take power. You live in a fantasy land where you can dissolve the government or shorten it to a point where nobody is in control and everyone will just leave power be. You really don't understand people, outside of Mexico I think, if you have truly deluded yourself to use THIS as your gauge of 'left v right'. Anarchists want to abolish the government, too. Are they 'right wing' like you?

You support absolute government overreach to achieve exactly the same ends as other leftists and you support a totalitarian system of government

Exactly the same ends as leftists, huh? What would those ends be? If we're talking the common understanding of leftists (commies/socialists), how are we looking to achieve the 'same ends'? Also, authoritarian, not totalitarian. You clearly don't understand the difference. All you are doing is repeating what you see other lolberts say. You really don't understand fascism outside of comic book fascism. I challenge you to actually research fascism before you put this bile on my screen. Holy hell, Myth. I thought you had more sense than this. You've really gone off the deep end.

Tell me in what way you are different from the other leftists

Tell me in what way we are the same as commies/radlibs? We advocate for a blending of the classes rather than class warfare. We believe in the right to private property. We are anti materialist. Private businesses can exist as long as their power is regulated. Strong social programs like incentives for having children and long maternal and paternal leave (omg so leftist!). Promotion of family values, traditional gender roles and a traditional European morality via media and education. Merit based career training in schools so kids can get high paying jobs out of high school and be able to afford a house and support a family young.

You have a warped understanding of the world, like all lolberts/minarchists/ancaps. Through a fascist state, ironically enough, is the only way you would ever be able to eventually get your lolbertarian utopia. Social trust needs to be at an extreme level, and the only way of ensuring that is through radical policy over generations. Good luck getting people to buy into your delusional meme ideology.

I am more so annoyed that I ever supported any of you or your cause, I should have realized immediately what you are.

Cool. You're not even white. I literally don't care what you think. I used to respect some of your posts; especially when you reported border happenings in Mexico. You need to reevaluate your worldview. Learn about the third position. Read. If you prefer, watch. Cultured Thug. Keith Woods. You accuse others of being stupid when you can't even honestly critique the worldview you're attacking without lying.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is why I enjoyed spending time on r/debatealtright , you are completely wrong about every single point you tried to make but you presented actual arguments in an attempt to make your case. Though you are wrong, I respect the fact that you made your case, I wasn't going to respond again but I will do so.

We have far right social .....

Mmmhmm, that's why you demand for welfare/feminism/leftism for things like attempting to boost fertility rate..... what type of insanity is required to claim that that's on the right? and more to the point, that doesn't work and will never work. The only way to boost fertility rate and strengthen families is by taking women's rights away which you hard-cucks are staunchly opposed to and in fact support the opposite. Oh but you want to take men's rights away further because...... well, you're cucks. This is easily the worst part of the alt-right, you have no consistency because you're actually leftists trying to pretend otherwise.

Strong social programs like incentives for having children and long maternal and paternal leave (omg so leftist!).

Those things are in fact, leftist, especially the second bit. Using government force to subjugate businesses by stripping them of meritorious earnings, siphoning it away to fuel parasitism is exactly the opposite of what the right stands for. You do NOT punish someone for working hard and then reward someone for not working. That's retarded as fuck and incentivizes the creation a massive welfare state that will inevitably collapse.

Promotion of family values, traditional gender roles and a traditional European morality via media and education.

Bullshit.

You cannot support the above quoted while calling for welfare and supporting feminism.

Tell me in what way we are the same as leftists

I already told you but okay I will tell you again. You support absolute government overreach, you want the same things as the other leftists (Ex : Rampant censorship, government fueled propaganda, welfare, feminism, etc.) and advocate a totalitarian system of governance that subjugates the nation's citizenry to the extreme, I.e. socialism.

It is worth repeating that socialism is complete shit for whites. I believe whites are the most meritorious race, they don't work the hardest but they sure work the smartest. In terms of productivity and innovation they are unmatched. A totalitarian system of governance cuts everyone's legs off, destroying productivity and innovation and therefore making everyone worse but especially the top dogs. This means whites will always take the biggest hit. Do you understand? no of course not.

Through a fascist state

Fascist socialism is just socialism which is LEFTIST. It is very clear in 'The Fascist Manifesto' (1919) and 'The Doctrine of Fascism' (1932) that it is no different than any other form of socialism in practical terms with the text explicitly calling fascist socialism a 'revolutionary movement' and a system of governance intended to bring about social justice . It's leftism. Both Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile were staunch socialists for their entire lives, with only a rejection of marxist socialism specifically.

FUN FACT: I learned this precisely by talking to people that claimed to support 'fascism' but clearly knew fuck all about it, prompting me to fact check the things they said.

You have a warped understanding of the world, like all lolberts/minarchists/ancaps.

That is not correct. You are projecting. I'll give you a practical example; The only way to boost fertility rate in a meaningful way is to take women's rights away. This is irrefutable..... what does the alt-right think about this? they shy away from it and instead demand more welfare for women (parasitism/feminism/leftism) despite it being counter-productive (Makes the problem worse). It is you that has the warped understanding of the world.

Given that the alt-right wants to institute a totalitarian system of governance, I was shocked when they actively argued against taking women's rights away. That's what makes every member of the alt-right a hard-cuck.

Learn about the third position.

Actually I have learned a lot about it and I am thankful for the alt-right at large for helping me with that. Though argumentation like this I know enough to recognize that what you are saying is nonsense.

This was actually quite fun, you put up a much better 'fight' than the marxist socialists with their pure unadulterated retardation. I'm out, best of luck to you all.

[–]LookAtThatNose 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Again, you just proved how much of a meme your ideology is. It doesn't appeal to normal people. While I agree that women should have less say in politics and rights, you take it to a level which is anti-social and will never appeal to the average man. While I admire some aspects of Islam, it is not a white creation. We are not all the same. In Mexico, controlling women to that point might be more effective than it would be in European society. You're coming from a point of view of MEXICAN society, not European society.

I agree, women are fucked up, and feminism through mostly (((media))) subversion is the root cause of that, but what you're seeing now is women at their absolute worst. I understand you're black pilled on them, but they are incredibly impressionable. Think of them as water in a glass. They will mould to the glass, whatever shape it is. In a fascist state, you wouldn't need to treat them as akin to slaves because they would be eager to impress the men of the nation, and thus conform to societal expectations of them. They will do whatever is 'cool', and if having kids and being meek housewives is what's 'cool' and promoted, they will do that. The only reason they're mostly sluts now is because it's 'cool' to be a slut.

that's why you demand for welfare

There's nothing wrong with helping the downtrodden of society. We would obviously put caveats on that welfare so it's not a blatant handout to leeches, but sometimes people need assistance. They're not all big brained and capable.

feminism

When have I presented anything but staunch opposition to feminism?

leftism

Again, just a buzzword without understanding what you're actually saying.

attempting to boost fertility rate

Yes. And you do that by making women want to become mothers and raise families. Financial incentives so they can raise more children would help with that.

The only way to boost fertility rate and strengthen families is by taking women's rights away which you hard-cucks are staunchly opposed to and in fact support the opposite

I think some rights need to be taken away, absolutely, as I want white men of good character running our nations, but again, you take it to an anti-social extreme. We're not Muslim. We will never be Muslim. We have also evolved as a race. Look to National Socialist Germany as an example of the role of women in society. They need to be empowered in the right way, i.e having children, taking care of themselves, being good wives to their husbands etc.

Oh but you want to take men's rights away further because...... well, you're cucks

Who's rights do you think we are taking away? The cucks. The commies. The liberals. The traitors. Decent white men of good character that align with us won't have need for the things we are 'taking away'/banning. In fact, they would be staunchly opposed to them.

Using government force to subjugate businesses by stripping them of meritorious earnings, siphoning it away to fuel parasitism is exactly the opposite of what the right stands for

Government should absolutely be used to control businesses. We will have a fundamental disagreement here, but virtually unregulated capitalism is how liberalism really gained momentum. You envision some based, stateless place with corporations subjugating women etc, but in reality, the exact opposite would happen dude, lol. You would have no control over what would happen, because you're too afraid to tell businesses what to do because that's gasp leftist! Your mind is so stuck in this right/left box. You are afraid of actual power, yet think you'll have some form of it in your envisioned society. Lol, right.

That's retarded as fuck and incentivizes the creation a massive welfare state that will inevitably collapse.

You need a balance. To go to either extreme economically is retarded. Both state socialism and unregulated free market capitalism collapse. Balance breeds balance. Hitler figured this out and turned their economy completely around from the absolute disaster that was the Weimar Republic, which you would actually prefer in your warped sense of what works.

You cannot support the above quoted while calling for welfare and supporting feminism

Again, dishonest misrepresentation of my views.

Rampant censorship

Yes, I want to censor my enemies. I want to censor commies and liberals. Imagine not wanting to.

government fueled propaganda

Propaganda doesn't automatically = bad, bro. It's like you got your opinion of fascism off of Spielberg films. Just because commies use propaganda does not mean we can't either. It is effective, and you can use it for positive means.

advocate a totalitarian system of governance

Authoritarian.

subjugates the nation's citizenry to the extreme

You're calling for women to be akin to slaves. I'm not subjugating the citizenry nearly as extreme as you are, bro. You're btfoing yourself here.

socialism is complete shit for whites

And National Socialism, i.e a balance is the best for whites, as we could see during National Socialist Germany's reign. Look at all of what they achieved in such a short time frame. All from arguably the worst state the nation has been in, in history. From zero to literal heroes that the world wished they could replicate. Free market capitalism (which breeds liberalism) is what turns whites into docile, do nothing consumers.

destroying productivity and innovation and therefore making everyone worse but especially the top dogs

LOL bro. How about you have a read of how efficient Germany was in terms of production. Look at what they were able to produce in again, such a short time frame. Quality of life got MUCH better even despite Germany having to turn more factories into military factories. Go look at some footage of Germany in the 30's. While the rest of the world was in overall recession, Germany was thriving.

Fascist socialism is just socialism which is LEFTIST

Again, you're showing your boomer side. You are akin to a qtard with this argumentation, and I will not treat it in good faith. I already have, but you are completely missing the point so I'll move on.

no different than any other form of socialism in practical terms with the text explicitly calling fascist socialism a 'revolutionary movement' and a system of governance intended to bring about social justice

Where do the Doctrine of Fascism or Fascist manifesto advocate for abolishment of private property, class warfare, or absolute state socialism? You're being grug, here, unpredictably because some fascist philosophers were ex Marxists that saw that Marxism is retarded and wanted something different. They literally lived the ideology and rejected its core tenets. How can you possibly say, being a higher IQ individual that I know you are, that fascism is 'no different than any form of socialism'? Like, this is just so stupid I may start to question your intelligence, here.

I learned this precisely by talking to people that claimed to support 'fascism' but clearly knew fuck all about it

I've been studying fascism for 15+ years. You yourself know fuck all about it other than what you read on Wikipedia or other leftist mainstream sources. Again, I encourage you to watch a Cultured Thug video. He breaks down the world view quite well. In fact, I'll help you.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/uar8mxxfDCun/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/uar8mxxfDCun/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/1icfEw5vQxkw/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/4TMNNKsjHMgm/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/5uPjIxaaaGsw/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/jessOBKeBk2A/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/8ZNFr6idU1Wx/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/NV2mFnDxYkFh/

And here, just for you: https://www.bitchute.com/video/oT0dxqIyoAnh/

The only way to boost fertility rate in a meaningful way is to take women's rights away. This is irrefutable..... what does the alt-right think about this?

I agree that some women's rights should be taken away as they are destructive to them. But again, I've addressed this earlier.

Given that the alt-right wants to institute a totalitarian system of governance

Wrong.

I was shocked when they actively argued against taking women's rights away

Most people in the Alt Right think women should have less rights. Be akin to slaves? No. That's retarded and for bush people.

Actually I have learned a lot about it and I am thankful for the alt-right at large for helping me with that

Not enough.

This was actually quite fun, you put up a much better 'fight' than the marxist socialists with their pure unadulterated retardation

Thanks. It was. Stick around and debate/learn more. I think you can change for the better and grow up in your worldview. I encourage you to stick around, Myth. You're not stupid, just misguided.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I remember you. Why were you banned? I had thought you went away on your own, you were annoying. I didn't realize you were banned. Why were you continually hanging around with a movement that's for a different group? It's a little weird and inappropriate, y'know? Idk. It's like you couldn't just let people organize appropriately among themselves.

Why were you banned?

And yes, the alt-right is just identity politics pandering for white people in the same existing style. I feel... ashamed for turning against many of my principles to get too into it. Not that I don't support it, but, well. Maybe this is what it looks like when people purity spiral instead of building coalitions.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I remember you. Why were you banned?

For being annoying, I just told you..... or specifically, for getting on WaltzRoommate's (Top mod?) nerves. I was not surprised to be banned at either time.

you were annoying.

Yep, though I would change that 'were' to 'are'. I am annoying but also I am correct.

Why were you continually hanging around with a movement that's for a different group?

Because being correct is unrelated to nonsense like 'groups'. Facts, logic & reason cut through all and I incorrectly believed that groups like 'the alt-right' were finally rising up to act against the grand-scale subjugation and brutality that whites were and still are suffering. Turns out I was the only person that cared about that.

I should have realized that when 'the alt-right' was bizarrely uninterested in ways to raise the white fertility rate around the world and still uninterested when I provided evidence of actual government coordinated efforts to flood the U.S. with foreigners by Mexico's president. The so-called 'alt-right' is full of shit, it's just a bunch of cowardly leftist cucks.

yes, the alt-right is just identity politics pandering for white people

No it is not.

It's just leftism which is shit for whites and the direct cause of many of their problems. The 'alt-right' is worse than a dead end, worse than shills, worse than controlled opposition. I've said what I wanted to say, that is all, gg.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What did you do to get on WR's nerves?

bizarrely uninterested in ways to raise the white fertility rate around the world and still uninterested when I provided evidence of actual government coordinated efforts to flood the U.S. with foreigners by Mexico's president.

That's troubling. I didn't see those posts of yours.

What I mean about groups ... I guess it is a leftist idea, but people can figure things out for themselves, y'know? There's this idea that it's better if people are lead by their own. And that foreign leadership inevitably kinda perverts things because inevitably the outsider can never really quite understand the perspective and the issues at hand, and will never have quite the same interests. Plus it seems better for people to have the experience and develop the skill to rescue themselves, rather than having that experience and that role go to an outsider.

You posted a LOT, and I mean a LOT, and no, you weren't always right about everything nor did you always have the right idea about everything. It was strange, because it was like this Mexican guy was just participating and speaking for the alt-right a lot of the time. It seemed like you were trying to find a home of sorts there, a belonging in the movement, which didn't seem appropriate.

And if you knew you were annoying or bothering people, why didn't you just alter your participation so you weren't being annoying?

Is there such a thing as identity-politics-pandering that's not leftism? I guess that's what I meant. alt-right seems a lot like oppressor-class liberation narrative for whites, except instead of blacks ooppressing whites or men oppressing women it's jews oppressing whites. And yeah other people notice it, a black American youtuber I watched said she didn't understand all this "Jews" stuff whites were talking about all of a sudden because she had thought whites were high IQ and she'd been taught that was just a silly thing that African American people did because they weren't smart enough to figure out that was a bad way to go about things. Is that what you mean by leftism?

I incorrectly believed that groups like 'the alt-right' were finally rising up to act against the grand-scale subjugation and brutality that whites were and still are suffering. Turns out I was the only person that cared about that.

There are others who believe the "alt-right" is controlled opposition or an ineffective movement or not really aimed at white success or wellbeing. Have you seen the book "The Rats of Nationalism"?

I do think the alt-right accomplishes some things, but like a lot of online "political" groups I think it could be far more organized and effective. Though again I'm not sure how much is occurring offline.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

speaking for the alt-right

Oh for fucks sake....

I never once did what you are saying and in fact, I would very frequently say almost verbatim "I am not a member of the alt-right, I am not white and I do not represent the alt-right in any way" at the beginning of comments that I made. My subreddit flair typically mentioned that I was not from the U.S. or something similar and I made no secret about not being politically aligned with the subreddit (Libertarian). I went way out of my way to always clarify that I was not doing exactly what you accuse me of.

What a joke, you leftists are all the same and always try to pull the same bullshit, gg.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

sorry, been away for a few days.

Yes, I agree you were clear that you were not a member of the alt-right. However you would sometimes answer questions directed at the alt-right. Like "well I'm not part of the alt-right really but this is their position on your question". That's what I meant.

I agree there are some problems with the alt-right, and to the extent you've genuinely helped whites, I appreciate it. If the problems are as bad as you suggest I pro-white activism will find a better way.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ok boomer

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You were the one that took pictures of the construction of Trump's "wall" right? I enjoyed your posts/comments and thought they contributed a lot.

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Too bad the mods made no attempt to move off site prior to this...

[–]AFutureConcern 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I noticed that any attempt to move off site was met with different opinions of which site to move to and so on. A post could easily have been stickied with a list of alternate sites, but probably the admins or compromised mods stopped that from happening.

[–]ChristianSonnenkreuz 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see nothing wrong with this place other than too few people know about it. The mods should have copied TD's model, and closed the sub with a notice to come here. Then we probably would have gotten a decent level of migration instead of hardly anything.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

/s/holocauseskepticism ... be prepared to move again

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

compromised mods

The r/debatealtright mods were NOT compromised. There was just no consensus on which sub to move too so there was no reason to sticky something.

[–]AFutureConcern 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Got it. I was just baselessly speculating :)

[–]Aureus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree that labelling people as "compromised" with no evidence is bad. But even so, they could have easily stickied a post with various alternatives if they couldn't decide on one.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. In hindsight is was a bad move not too but I can assure you 'compromised' was not part of that.

[–]Albatros 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I did see a link to this site in a post (although not stickied iirc). But still we already knew the alternatives, it wasn't something unprecedented.

[–]eth0[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've spent the past day saving resources and articles from the sub. Will post them later

[–]bug-in-recovery 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Here are archives of most based subs:

https://archive.org/details/DebateAltRight

Click on his username to find the other subs.

[–]bug-in-recovery 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Over 2,000 subs gone.

[–]Richard_Parker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Against hate subreddits is gloating about our subreddit in particular:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/hi4vc0/ive_been_waiting_for_this_one_in_particular_they/

We must see their soft tyranny and raise them a hard one. Their "moral" conviction is as absolute and as unwavering as any witchhunt. If the day of reckoning comes in our favor, we must remember what they intend for us.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was fun while it lasted. Best sub on plebbit. We knew they would come for us eventually

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can still say the word faggot here and not get banned. Oh the joy!

[–]LookAtThatNose 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Henlo b0rthers. If you start any new subversive subs, invite me on Plebbit under the same name. We have to keep subverting and forcing them to ban us every time. Do not go silently. Make subversive posts on mainstream subs as well until you get banned. Rinse and repeat if they ban you completely.

[–]Albatros 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What a nuke. I opened reddit and saw only reclassified, i thought it was a bug at first.

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Hey everybody, Richard Parker here. I am going to bookmark this site as it has some familiar faces. If anyone has other recommendations please let me know. Just before it was taken down I saw someone recommend Stormdrain, which I do not recommend for so many reasons I care not to get into. But we need some sort online community, for starters.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

spider-man's dad?

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I am a real-life, magnificent Bengal tiger. Used the handle Tiki-Tiger because Richard Parker was taken.

[–][deleted]  (5 children)

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    [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I am on twitter, but am semi anonymous, and also follow other non political matters, such as the Green Bay Packers, historic, heritage steam railroads and some other things. I try to be more measured about race and politics because:

    -I do not want to lose the very modest number of followers I have in regards to these and other matters

    • twitter sucks for so many reasons, but above everything else is their unfair, capricious moderation of one side only.

    I have privately bookmarked Richard Spencer and a few others that I do not want to private publicly. I do however follow right-winger Devon Stack among others. I have lost a few followers re non political matters, and that might have something to do with it, I do not know.

    Aside from the woke, blue check insane asylum that predominates twitter at large, I also do not like the platform all that much because it is hard to discuss anything in just two hundred plus characters. I think that aspect, as well as the inane memes, have helped dumb people down in a very Orwellian way. Double plus good and all that.

    [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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      [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Eh, I am not sure about that. At least it is easy to write complete sentences on things reddit or message boards. Not so with twitter and I think that is one reason why it facilitates NPC programming.

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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        [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        We disagree. And I am not taking about a five page essay. I am talking about writing complete sentences and paragraphs, which are required to rebut for example mantras like "system racism" et al.

        [–]sylla94 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Where else are the boys at?

        [–]Salos10000 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Begin mass messaging these users.

        https://pastebin.com/1zGQHvuK

        [–]bruker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Thanks for the list, I made a post about it! https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/52yk/here_is_a_list_of_all_reddit_users_of/

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        brutal, they even closed chapo lol

        [–]AFutureConcern 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        They only closed chapo because it was already quarantined, and to give a sense of balance. We all know that they basically only censor right-wing subs, but the normies will read the headline and view it as some bipartisan effort to root out hate instead of the banning of "hate" (meaning anti-egalitarian thought) that it really is.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Rosh Hashanah came early this year

        [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Welcome, fren!

        [–]Fourth_stage 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        We need to make a list of reddit subs that allow alt right talking points and spread our ideas there

        [–]Aureus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        /r/TheRightCantMeme

        [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        It was just a matter of time sadly, the purge of dissent was planned to be enacted before the election.

        [–]ChancellorMershekel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        There's some cretins in that list who definitely shouldn't be encouraged to leave the cesspool that is Reddit, e.g. 'VoiceYourConviction' (that blatantly trollish, openly homo and self-described 'Liberal' who posts Guardianista or Salon-style talking points everywhere) and 'PlagueDoctorD'.

        We need to separate ourselves from the Left in everything. We don't need to endure their insufferable presences. We shouldn't be contributing to their ad revenue on sites like YouTube. We've been through with peaceful coexistence for a long time, but the infrastructure wasn't in place to extricate ourselves, so we remained on the mainstream platforms out of necessity.

        Right now we're in a full-blown far-Left revolution to go from near-absolute power to absolute power, and they need exercise no violence to go this last stretch in doing what much of the early USSR did at gunpoint. Just look at the last few weeks—a rapid growth in the number of films and books (even things as innocuous as Gone With The Wind) effectively banned, brands caving in to pressure to change their names or logos, even black leftists like Van Jones are being 'cancelled' for the tiniest transgressions, statues being torn down, and mass deplatforming that is far too well-coordinated to be random (YouTube banned AmRen and plenty of other channels at practically the same time as the Reddit bans, Twitch apparently banned Trump at the same time. I'm not sure what purpose Trump would actually have for something like Twitch).

        The corporations are totally at the Left's mercy, and they know it. Why else would guys like Bezos express the opinions that he does about BLM, knowing that as a 'rich White man' he'd be one of the first on the chopping block when the far-Left, having absolute power, begin using it to go after people? Amazon, Google... they'd all be crushed like ants if they reasoned that on the present course they're slowly slitting their own wrists, so they meekly submit hoping that they'll somehow be spared.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        There's some cretins in that list who definitely shouldn't be encouraged to leave the cesspool that is Reddit

        Yeah, someone just scraped all the comments at some point.

        and they need exercise no violence to go this last stretch

        (Though they are)

        The corporations are totally at the Left's mercy, and they know it. Why else would guys like Bezos express the opinions that he does about BLM, knowing that as a 'rich White man' he'd be one of the first on the chopping block

        The "left" serves big business, and not the other way around. They've taken this opportunity to purge more classical leftists (chapo/cumtown) too. All of this woke tranny shit started really taking off in response to Occupy Wall Street. BLM lost all of its funding before, when their leaders said that they wouldn't work with the ADL (since they train every police department in America). They've only been resurrected now to distract people from the impending economic collapse/famine.

        [–]ChancellorMershekel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        First thing out of the way quick—I've searched a few names on there and they're missing (and don't appear to be in the 'removed names' either), including the name I used on there.

        As for the more important topic, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Sure, they banned a bunch of subreddits with 'ChapoTrapHouse (insert number)'. The last one was something like 'ChapoTrapHouse101'. For all we know, they could have just made and banned those themselves to give some semblance of being unbiased—it's obvious that not all 101 actually had active user-bases. Most likely they were just placeholders to migrate to when their main sub was banned. They probably banned about, oh, two active far-Left subs, practically every far-Right sub and some contrarian Left (e.g. r/GenderCritical [TERFs] and r/rightwingLGBT) subs. Probably just to pacify Trump: 'See, you don't have to worry about bias against conservatives because we banned 101 far-Left subreddits too. It's all in safe hands, we promise, there's no need for more regulations'. Literally all of the other anarchist, socialist and Communist subreddits are still there.

        Now, let's consider the following scenarios. What happens if:

        1. Corporate America turns against the Left.
        2. The Left turns against Corporate America.

        In scenario 1, Corporate America loses. The Left is so vast that deplatforming them is impossible—they have almost the entirety of the education system and the media sector, for starters. The Democrats would start threatening to nationalize any offending business, and if Biden wins they'd be in a good position to do it. Most of their employees wouldn't be sympathetic and plenty of them would leave, either out of disagreement or because their friendship circles would 'cancel' them if they remained employed.

        In scenario 2, Corporate America still loses. A string of women come out and accuse the likes of Bezos and Dorsey of sexual assault, etc. All these guys like Bezos and Dorsey get pressured more and more to resign, and are replaced, usually by women or non-Whites. Eventually, Corporate America is ran into the ground, after 'diversity hires' get to the top of every corporation.

        Any business that goes against the Left is toast. Any business the Left picks a fight with is also toast. I don't even remotely see how the Left could be considered subordinate to capitalism. Rich Leftists seem indifferent to it, getting what they can out of the system while it lasts; most other Leftists utterly hate it. Practically all of them believe that capitalism is merely a transitory phase to socialism, and that trying to stall this 'inevitable' progression is literally defending oppression.

        Surely such a coordinated, cross-platform deplatforming is the result of people like the SPLC (who seem to 'advise', i.e. decide, everything), and little to do with the tech CEOs themselves. They're just smart enough to know what happens if they're interpreted as insufficiently kowtowing to the Left.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        The mainstream left serves capital, just like the mainstream right. It's the kosher sandwich in action. The prominent left wing ideology isn't concerned with class. It's advocacy for all sorts of hedonism, individualism, and alienation. The point of feminism, multiculturalism, and sexual liberation is to make it impossible for the greater society to unify against these bourgeois parasites. Amazon diversifies their warehouses and grocery stores to prevent unionization. It does ultimately come down to a profit motive, but not always directly. Even if interracial porn loses money, they feel like the effect it has on the culture will allow them to make all that money back, and then some, in the long run.

        In scenario 2, Corporate America still loses. A string of women come out and accuse the likes of Bezos and Dorsey of sexual assault, etc. All these guys like Bezos and Dorsey get pressured more and more to resign, and are replaced, usually by women or non-Whites.

        Lots of women make all sorts of claims, but these stories never go anywhere unless the establishment wants them to. Look at how they covered for Jeffrey Epstein for decades. Who do you think owns the media? Certainly not Jeff Bezos...

        [–]djhdlkguhaeil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        They're trying to make "cracka" real