The levels of anarchism by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Cringe

A Coercion Free Movement to Liberate Workers from Economic Control by Employers by usemovement in Libertarianism

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There will never be libertarian government until there is universal self employment. Employees will always want the government to fight their battles with their employer for them because if they do it themselves they'll get fired.

Might Is Right (1896) Audiobook, Stirner-Nietzsche atheistic, nihilistic, individualist/insurrection/illegalist anarchism and social Darwinism by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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This is really interesting stuff. This guy makes some very valid criticisms. Some of these solutions are on the extreme end, but there is certainly a lot to unpack here. Certainly a provocative thinker, and a good read.

Heres a link to a pdf version of this for those like me, who prefer this kind of media in the old fashioned form

https://ia803202.us.archive.org/0/items/might-is-right-by-ragnar-redbeard/might-is-right.pdf

Why do academics often seem to think they're so much smarter than the people in industry and finance? by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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And I'm too crippled for either.

Why do academics often seem to think they're so much smarter than the people in industry and finance? by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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The same reason we compel everyone to absurd amounts of schooling and every job nowadays requires a college degree for no reason. Academics are the be-all end-all to everything according to this generation, so if you excel in it you're a leader and if you don't you're basically considered a bad person.

Academics are also a very easy method to brainwash people into submission. Part of the reason support for authoritarianism is increasing is because young people have spent their whole lives sitting down, obeying instructions like robots, and never questioning authority, facing severe punishment if they dare step out of line. To them, strong authority is a given and they have never dreamed of freedom.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Yeah absolutely, would love to discuss these ideas more. Hard to find people who can have a coherent conversation about these things. Also really interested in these ideas, our concerns and beliefs are a lot more closely aligned than I would have guessed.

Just created an account on mewe. 'Nathan Hencky'

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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If you want to get on MeWe I can give you a couple of works that give some answers, ebooks and some documents written by a friend of mine in the UK

Why do academics often seem to think they're so much smarter than the people in industry and finance? by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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They just think they are smart. Those than can, do. Those that can't, teach.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Don't worry about it, I often have ten thoughts on short order and have a whole list of sperg comments one after the other. I am elated to talk to someone on here who isn't obsessed with social signaling and repeating muhNAP to every question. Normie libertarians are just as tedious as socialists sometimes.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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As elites are inevitable the only question is the incentives you present them with. I believe that radical decentralization, corporative society, presumption of liberty, something like a hereditary aristocracy and laissez-faire economy are the best method of ensuring that the elites are tied to the population they exercise influence over, are held responsible and compete vigorously to prevent them from forming a cartel of power against everyone else. Something like the Holy Roman Empire plus more libertarian laws is about my ideal social system, a vast array of independent and overlapping jurisdictions to allow great variety and strong interests for the elite to preserve local autonomy. How to get there is a big question, though if you believe William S. Lind (Fourth Generation Warfare) and Martin Van Creveld (The Rise and Decline of the State) we are right now witnessing the transfer of loyalty from centralized bureaucracy to non state actors like Hezbollah and other institutions. While this may be messy I believe it's ultimately for the best.

I have no idea if it's possible to send messages on here, but do you have an account at Mewe.com? I have some groups on there dedicated to political and social analysis that go beyond the Normie libertarian and tribal narratives that I think you might be interested in. If not, they're free so if you want to sign up there I can give you a link to my profile and I will send you invites to them.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Sorry to double respond here, wanted to ask you a question.

Do you not share my concerns about the elites? Do you have some plan to determine who is worthy of representation? How would we do that?

You seem like a thoughtful and rational person, and I am genuinely curious. I share your views on the masses but have some concerns, and am curious to see if I am missing something here, or if you have some take on this I haven't thought of

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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I think you are getting at something important here, and I honestly don't know how to feel about it....

Yes, mob rule by the idiot masses is pretty insane, and I agree, the vast majority of people have no right to their opinions, because they can't even think them through. I am quite sympathetic to this, and think there is a lot of truth here. A big part of me has no sympathy for the masses, and at some level they deserve their exploitation by the elites.

But heres where I struggle... I worry about this tendency to be OK with exploitation, because the Elites, in their lack of caring, are perfectly OK with exploiting and doing wrong to people like you and me, who HAVE coherent beliefs, and don't deserve that treatment. How do we stop our sense of superiority over the masses from leading to this psychopathy where thinking people us have to suffer the harms.

I'm a little torn on this, and I don't think I've got it all figured out yet.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Most people are simply too dumb and uncritical to have any valid epistemic reasons for holding opinions on most things, they should just shut up. But Dumbocracy works by politicizing the least and the dumbest to vote based on their tribal identity and feelings, and ends up corrupting all of social discourse in the process. Most people have zero epistemic right to political, economic or social opinions, they know nothing and are too stupid, bigoted and lazy to learn when they should. Democracy is cultural cancer.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Yeah you are 100% correct, and it is frustrating. I am attempting to have empathy for these people - Americans are bombarded with a huge amount of propaganda and misinformation, so I'm not totally surprised that people get their facts messed up. At the same time, some of us have managed to untangle some of this, and the people lacking critical thinking probably are doing enormous harm to us with their ignorance.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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I am really annoyed by the Republican sinophobia (seen on this site as much as anywhere else) by people who don't know anything about China. About 20% of Chinese people call themselves libertarians. I correspond with many Chinese people, and they are far more informed and open minded than the bigoted, tribal, oblivious Americans so confident in their superiority.

China has a smaller, weaker, more decentralized government than the USA both per capita and absolutely. The patriotards are completely unjustified in their assertions of MURICA FIRST, but I suppose being a flaggot and a dumbass go together.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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No, they are very Capitalist these days. Was talking about this just today in s/politics actually. Still it's a little frightening how certain words become synonymous with 'any bad guy' and lose all their real meaning to a majority of people.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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It's always hilarious to me when Boomer conservatives call credit card company whores like Nancy Pelosi 'a communist'. China isn't even really communist anymore.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Thanks for the link, this is fascinating, I had clearly mischaracterized Fascism pretty badly. I get irritated at the way the word 'communist' gets thrown around in a similar manner - usually having nothing to do with private vs public ownership of the means of production. A little ashamed to have had this so wrong, but unsurprising considering the incorrectness of many sources. Appreciate your assistance in becoming better informed.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Fascism failed and it had a horrible foreign policy, but it had a free trade policy and was fairly non interventionist in the economy. It was backed into a corner by England and ended up alluring with Germany in self defense, but Mussolini hated Hitler and was the only person who stood up to him the first time he tried to annex Austria.

https://nathanieldayspring.substack.com/p/anarcho-fascism

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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I appreciate your nuanced take on Fascism. It's possible I have been misusing this term in an ad hominem way - I usually use this term to describe a government that forces me to give up my autonomy for either my own protection or some nebulous greater good.

I'll confess to not knowing a ton about Mises guys - but I know Jeffrey Tucker from Brownstone has something to do with them, and he loves freedom and autonomy, so I'll admit I may have some reading to do from your list. I like to be able to understand and represent in good faith even ideas I do not fully agree with.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Fascism is corporatist and I like that aspect of fascism just fine, though the Patriotard imperialism is dumb. Fascism has an undeserved reputation because of Allied propaganda. I strongly dislike the use of fascism to mean "whatever government I think is mean". Corporatism is popular among many of the Mises types, who appreciate how it helps to protect autonomy in ways that atomized individuals cannot. Both fascists and libertarians of this type look to medieval Europe for this inspiration. Hoppe, Rik Storey, Kier Martland and Sean Gabb among others. Fascism was actually more laissez Faire in practice than the USA is today. Please read Stanley Payne, Robert O. Paxton, Mises himself and Paul Gottfried on Fascism instead of repeating memes that, coming from democracy fetishists and Commies, Libertarians should regard with suspicion.

I am no particular fan of Schwab, my point was more that Republicans are stupid.

GLOBALIZATION AND NATIONALISM aka QTards Misrepresent Klaus Schwab by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Hard to know what to make of Schwab and the 'stakeholder capitalism' ideology. It's centralized social ideas are authoritarian bordering on fascist. They claim to be doing this to create a better world for everyone. The problem is they are so greedy and arrogant I fear that even if their intentions are indeed noble, this whole thing will devolve into super-global corporate fascism

Richard Lynn explains eugenics & dysgenics - Something Libertarians Prefer to Ignore by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Intelligence drop, while real, is not that severe. Rumors of a total catastrophe are just more apocalypse mongering. The Dark Ages are a myth. And falling IQs didn't doom Rome, low population did. And it actually didn't fall until 1453. Constantinople was Rome. Germline engineering is also a growing technology.

I consider Dutton's IQ apocalypse about as realistic as climate change destroying the world. Decentralization is the key to heredity eugenics, which is to allow superior people to cluster and experiment.

Dutton is a man with a hammer in search of a nail. IQ fetishism and catastrophe predictions are an excessive focus on one metric. No tree grows to the sky. Political collapse of the USA will happen before mental. And the resulting decentralization will be a good thing in the long run. The obsession with keeping particular nations or even ethnicities is a stilted model on an evolutionary scale.

We are on Poal by Lupus_Nubilum in Libertarianism

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Richard Lynn explains eugenics & dysgenics - Something Libertarians Prefer to Ignore by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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None of the suggested solutions are likely to work. Embryo selection is high tech, and high tech will soon disappear due to dropping intelligence, so a real solution must be low tech. Government sponsored eugenics would likely eliminate all independent thinkers who may threaten those in power.

I have a low tech libertarian solution to implementing eugenics - my Arkian ethnicity idea. All that would be required would be a few people with enough intelligence to support the project to get it started.

In Defense of the British Empire (Sean Gabb of the Libertarian Alliance) by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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"It is the nature of the strong to tyrannize the weak." Which is why people who want autonomy need to be willing and able to defend themselves, collectively and individually. A great deal of blame lies with victims, and if the rest of the planet were not so ignorant, primitive, disorganized and generally low IQ they wouldn't have been such easy victims for empires. The same is true for the modern subjects of the state, who are gullible, lazy, conformist and cowardly people who fit Aristotle's description of 'the natural slave'.

Leftism is Gnostic Crypto-Christianity by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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christianity ruined roman empire, christianity is opposite of what you say, it promises paradise after death and based on faith alone.

Leftism is Gnostic Crypto-Christianity by [deleted] in Libertarianism

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then how did the Romans "rightfully" persecute Christians on their own property? Or is libertarianism for me but not for thee?

I don't give a shit whether you consider that libertarian, because I am interested in ideas and results

That sounds extremely authoritarian.

Leftism is Gnostic Crypto-Christianity by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Aren't we trying to do away with such authority and governing? I'm not. I'm trying to do away with the Weberian monopoly state and legal arbitrariness, interference with free association and contact.

People can express themselves however they want on their property (or no one's). But people have a right to form restrictive covenants and prevent people and ideas they don't want from being perpetuated in them.

You seem like a modal libertarian, who's been brainwashed by Enlightenment rationalism and social atomism. My goal is to destroy these things. I don't give a shit whether you consider that libertarian, because I am interested in ideas and results, not labels and cult dogmas perpetuated y by moralizing midwits.

And while there are status seeking billionaires who push lefty dogmas, it absolutely is a variant on Christianity and the trash losers who push it exactly match my description. Again, I really don't give a shit of you agree. I am not interested in trying to convert people, I am interested in talking to people who know what I'm talking about already.

Leftism is Gnostic Crypto-Christianity by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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I am in favor of rank, property and rampant inequality

How is that Libertarian? Aren't we trying to do away with such authority and governing?

The ‘left’ we have today is essentially a return to primitive Christianity, it is gnostic (against the external world and wealth, against power and order), egalitarian (there is no Jew or Greek, male or female), and apocalyptic (muhClimateChange!)

That is the last thing they are. All they care about is making their pockets bigger and controlling everyone and everything and gaining power. They are the ones controlling the media and silencing dissent. They are the ones who determine what is acceptable or not acceptable, what people hear and don't do, what is allowed and isn't allowed. They are anything but egalitarian, half of them want to exterminate men! And as for order, they want to make slaves of white people. If they had it their way they'd run us like North Korea. And if your explanation for why they hate Christianity were true, would they not despise Islam 10 times more so (I am not accusing Muslims of anything, but by the left's rule of judging a faith by its worst people, Islam has far more terrorism and evil; perhaps simply because they have absolute power in many countries whereas the fake Christians do not, though they desperately want it).

the anti-world, anti-family, anti-children Gnostic loser cults that the Romans and Catholics rightfully persecuted with fire and sword.

Rightfully?! I must ask, do you consider yourself libertarian? Because it is clear that you do not even recognize the right of freedom of expression and religion.

Leftists Denying Facts About Fascism and Syndicalism by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Blue lefty shitstains are all about "feeings" and facts be damned.

Karl Marx was an authoritarian, totalitarian, militaristic, imperialist, genocidal anti-semite, a loser and a shitty economist (Resources for Debunking Marxists) by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Imagine being a lolbert and talking about things being socially destructive. Your entire ideology is about rejecting the idea of society in favour of individuals doing whatever the fuck they want.

Marxism and Liberalism are both soulless, materialistic, subhuman degeneracy. You are qualitatively identical to that jew Marx.

Karl Marx was an authoritarian, totalitarian, militaristic, imperialist, genocidal anti-semite, a loser and a shitty economist (Resources for Debunking Marxists) by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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psst he was jewish and his ideas helped them gain a lot of power

Karl Marx was an authoritarian, totalitarian, militaristic, imperialist, genocidal anti-semite, a loser and a shitty economist (Resources for Debunking Marxists) by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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I always block normies, LOLBerts and low info shit posters, so I literally can't see any of the replies, lol. Only autistic anarcho-fascists are allowed to talk to me on the internet.

Karl Marx was an authoritarian, totalitarian, militaristic, imperialist, genocidal anti-semite, a loser and a shitty economist (Resources for Debunking Marxists) by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Marx stole some ideas from other people that weren't entirely wrong but he bowlderized them because of his cult agenda. Also, while I am not ashamed of the history of conquering people and taking their stuff it's socially destructive and a recipe for cultural degeneracy and domestic slavery. If you don't get this, you're retarded.

Karl Marx was an authoritarian, totalitarian, militaristic, imperialist, genocidal anti-semite, a loser and a shitty economist (Resources for Debunking Marxists) by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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You clearly don't know anything about Karl Marx and if you'd bothered to look at any of the videos I'd posted you'd know you're wrong. Off to the free market gulag, untermenschen. If there's anything more annoying than Jews it's WigNats.

Karl Marx was an authoritarian, totalitarian, militaristic, imperialist, genocidal anti-semite, a loser and a shitty economist (Resources for Debunking Marxists) by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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People are reading On the Jewish Question by Karl Marx :)

Karl Marx was an authoritarian, totalitarian, militaristic, imperialist, genocidal anti-semite, a loser and a shitty economist (Resources for Debunking Marxists) by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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he was antisemite? lol no.

Karl Marx was an authoritarian, totalitarian, militaristic, imperialist, genocidal anti-semite, a loser and a shitty economist (Resources for Debunking Marxists) by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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This just makes Marx sound based lol

Internet Communists are All Dumb Losers by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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I've noticed that most socialists and leftists are completely shitty people, they're not very smart (much dumber than they imagine), they're incredibly lazy and bigoted, and they generally have no actual arguments but instead just lie constantly and try to intimidate and emotionally manipulate people. I suspect that on a genetic and psychological level these people are losers and hate everyone better than them.

Internet Communists are All Dumb Losers by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Internet communists have never stood in a communist bread line for 2 days only to come out empty handed.

We are on Poal by Lupus_Nubilum in Libertarianism

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Pinochet. I know it's a meme but still ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We are on Poal by Lupus_Nubilum in Libertarianism

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who's the "literal fascist"? LOL

We are on Poal by Lupus_Nubilum in Libertarianism

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LOL at calling yourself libertarian while worshiping a literal fascist.

KOL161 | Argumentation Ethics, Estoppel, and Libertarian Rights: Adam Smith Forum, Moscow (2014) ~ Stephan Kinsella, 2014-11-07 (40:13) by JasonCarswell in Libertarianism

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See also:

The Dumbest Propaganda Video Ever - #PropagandaWatch ~ Corbett Report (15:27)
/s/propaganda/comments/tif/the_dumbest_propaganda_video_ever_propagandawatch/

The Dumbest Propaganda Video Ever - #PropagandaWatch ~ Corbett Report (15:27)
/s/CopyrightActivism/comments/tii/the_dumbest_propaganda_video_ever_propagandawatch/

How Intellectual Property Hampers Capitalism | Stephan Kinsella ~ misesmedia, 2010-10-11 (25:33)
/s/CopyrightActivism/comments/tiq/how_intellectual_property_hampers_capitalism/

"Why Intellectual Property is not Genuine Property," Adam Smith Forum, Moscow ~ Stephan Kinsella 2011-11-01 (47:24)
/s/CopyrightActivism/comments/tiy/why_intellectual_property_is_not_genuine_property/

KOL161 | Argumentation Ethics, Estoppel, and Libertarian Rights: Adam Smith Forum, Moscow (2014) ~ Stephan Kinsella, 2014-11-07 (40:13)
/s/Libertarianism/comments/tj9/kol161_argumentation_ethics_estoppel_and/

Do Kids Need School? Inside the 'Unschooling' Movement by sawboss in Libertarianism

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"Hell to the no." <- took me only 4 words

Do Kids Need School? Inside the 'Unschooling' Movement by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Public schooling is unironically one of the biggest sources of human suffering in wealthy countries

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Yep, incorrect English in that. Very nice. Exactly what I expected.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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That would be the "smartest" that YOU can consider.

I rest my case.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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I can only assume you aren't affected. If you were, then the smartest action would be to disengage. I'm never going to bow to demands. Fuck you.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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If an entire population decided to stop paying their taxes, it would be hundreds of millions agaisnt a very small elite minority.

An elite minority with military power exponentially greater than any nation in human history. And they have economic incentives to reduce the population. Given how violently the Democrats are pushing for civil war I have to wonder what they think they gain from it. It might seem like a conspiracy to suggest such a thing, but this is SaidIt and it seem an appropriate place to wax conspiratorial.

I'll just say it. I think it's fucking true. I need allies with whom to reason about peaceful solutions before it's too late.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Remember when the Evangelical lobby were influential among Republicans? Man I miss the days when Republicans sincerely upheld Conservative principles.

I keep hoping we can infiltrate them with Libertarians. You know, people who are GODDAMN SERIOUS about shrinking government, freeing up the private sector, and reducing our military footprint worldwide.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well you both started off spewing ad hominems. None of that was needed to argue a point. Peace, and I agree with you sawboss. The problem with the fake conservatives today, is that they pretend to want small government when that isn't really the case at all. They have effectively hijacked the principles of conservatism and turned them upside down.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But I thought neoconservatives were the good conservatives? Just Kidding. Are there any classical liberals in congress though, doubtful. I like your idea. It only takes a mass awareness to change things. If an entire population decided to stop paying their taxes, it would be hundreds of millions agaisnt a very small elite minority. Hence, why they have to use fear-mongering, cognitive infiltration and endless propaganda.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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I am glad you feel that way because, after all, you are the one wielding insults as if they were the epitome of wisdom. This must be the sole purview of superior intelligence, undoubtedly.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't have a specific plan. The most peaceful resolution I can imagine is starving Washington DC of money by voting in Libertarians and common sense Liberals. There are no Conservatives in America.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Fuck you Jesus!

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Goddamn you really are intellectually diminutive.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But yeah, what shouldnwe do about scum in power both in government and corporate revolving doors that create laws for themselves at the expense of everyone else?

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Their results were FANTASTIC. WTF are you even talking about.

Adolf was Time's man of the year twice because of the economic miracles he worked in post-WW1 Germany. Get your facts straight!

Also, this group is LIBERTARIANISM and this has nothing to do with capitalism or not, and socialism or not.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, great arguments guys. Full of ad hominems. Great work, good job. I understand everything now.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]sawboss[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The problem seems to be that you are too retarded to understand that Capitalism is not a complete political system unto itself. Capitalism works just fine under any political system with some amount of private property.

The system this community advocates combines Libertarianism with Capitalism, with the explicit goal of reducing the size and power of government as much as possible. That's why it's Anarcho (without government) Capitalism.

Remember that early 20th century Italy and Germany both combined Capitalism and Socialism. They called their systems Fascism. The results were catastrophic, to say the least. we don't want that.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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So you are happy with decreasing wages and encourage the 1% to take even more from the rest and rape-kill-pillage your nation?

That's interesting. Tell me more from your sociopathic tendencies.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Socialism is not incompatible with libertarianism. Actually, the best version of libertarianism is the socialist version. But I'll bet you think socialism is similar to communism. LOL

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Wash away your iniquities and obtain gainful employment you collectivist socialist person.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Take a bath and get a job, you undesirable collectivist socialist person.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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How much kool-aid do you drink bro?

Over the past 60 years, the top 1% has accumulated over 90% of all wealth created in the economy.

Oh and the "bottom 90%" that is, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY are POORER.

Wait a minute, some dude working 60, 70 hours a week trying to make ends meet is impoverishing himself, while the CEO who is playing golf with his buddies laughing about the idea that "wealth trickles down" gets richer by the minute? And that's fine by you? Dude get your head checked.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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So basically, the most ruthless asshole who gets the most power should be entitled to enslaving the rest?

Nice mentality bro.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Collectivism is a retarded idea. No one should want it.

In Defense of Capitalism by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Capitalism can only perform decently as an economic system if the political system enforces some reasonable degree of socialism.

As, for example, the national socialist party did. It was greatness.

The Origin And Nature Of International Conflict (by Hans-Hermann Hoppe) by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Hoppe comes onstage at 5:50

Bret Weinstein: Left and Right Libertarians Should Unite by sawboss in Libertarianism

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I don't hate you right now. You should feel proud of that.

I'm personally inclined to allow for peaceful voluntary communes as long as they don't intrude on my liberty. That hasn't been the history of things so far though.

Bret Weinstein: Left and Right Libertarians Should Unite by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Totally!

As an Anarcho-Communist, my principles are basically libertarianism + "let's give things to each other for free" as a movement. The main difference between my values and Anarcho-Capitalism is mainly that I think land should not be privately owned. This works for both communism and capitalism though: for communists, it means free land one can use to produce free resources, while for capitalists it means easy entrepreneurship, since there is land one can use to start a business not monopolised by companies. I can even talk about communism in the framework of capitalism: Communism = out-compete payed products with free ones. The more I think about it, the more left libertarianism and right libertarianism seem to be able to be the exact same thing.

The opponents of liberty are sowing disinformation across all social media to promote their agendas and justify their power mongering. Is there a moral case for libertarians to do the same? by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]friend 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sowing disinformation is building your support on rotten ground. Like many other destructive strategies, it works best in the short term, and actually backfires long term. Tyrants who plan to eventually go public with their domination don't worry whether their supporters will eventually understand the truth, because by then it will be too late.

The cause of liberty doesn't have this luxury, but since our rulers gain consent by lying, we have a powerful and persuasive message for people who we help to see things clearly. And once someone sees the world as it actually is, they can't unsee it.

Bret Weinstein: Left and Right Libertarians Should Unite by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Presumably we would act together in some way, but how can that work?

Ralph Nader has some interesting thoughts on this. "Breaking Through Power... It's Easier Than We Think."

Bret Weinstein: Left and Right Libertarians Should Unite by sawboss in Libertarianism

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State action is the cause of the social balkanization. My one plea to every one, left and right and otherwise, is to dis-empower the state. The state is not a surgeon, but an axe murderer. It wields its powers crudely, clumsily, brutally, and unaccountably. People who want to grow state power are either stupid or evil.

Bret Weinstein: Left and Right Libertarians Should Unite by sawboss in Libertarianism

[–]James_Kuhn3rd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem with the libertarian movement, is conditions must be right for them/it to exist. By and large, those conditions are gone in this country.

Our founders warned that our constitution is fit only for a moral and religious people. It's wholly unsuited for any other.. It's not coincidence that as we've abandoned the traditional Judeo-Christian values (though not necessarily the religion itself), they've Been replaced with a different god, the omniscient state.. Which ironically, most people agree is needed and necessary.

The government grew from leaving you alone in the Times of the founders, to the behemoth it's become today. A few examples are; controlling who can become a hairstylist or nail salon tech, who is/isn't allowed to dig in their own back yard and where, what things you may teach your children, what cable tv/pharmacology/healthcare/cell phone choices you have, who gets/is required to have a parking sticker, who gets mandatory paid leave for childcare, as well as non academic related considerations for entry into colleges using metrics such as race or zip code, which businesses are allowed/regulated and where are they allowed, what type of light bulb/water heater/ac unit you are allowed to have..

Being libertarian today is looked upon as being cold and indifferent to human suffering. The idea that one's community/religious institution/social club should not only contribute but be the primary vehicle for the care of each other is radical in a day when we are sold a promise that the state can swiftly come to provide aid.. This is so much easier, sounds super effective, and what's more, requires nothing from anyone other than a mantra such as, "I pay my taxes so they can go help those ppl out". Of course not only is it a fraud, in many cases the government picks who can and can't be aided by inhibiting private party civilian rescuers, e.g. the "Cajun navy" or Puerto Rico.

Beyond this, the "left and right" sides of being "libertarian" thing..??. Well I occasionally turn on Free talk live for background noise when I'm stuck doing mindless computational entry, and recently I heard a guest host claim they were libertarian but absolutely believed the state should tax people more in order to hand out more money to those who had less.. I was outraged.. Endorsing that some government entity has the right to take what is mine and give it to someone they deemed worthy based on an arbitrary metric is garbage.. That guy might be many things, but libertarian is not one of them. I'm generally convinced that most left wing policies and ideologies, which may sound humane, kind, and warranted are generally antithetical to the ideas of liberty, human agency, as well as small L libertarianism. Right wing policies can encroach on freedoms as well, but left wing policies generally operate from the premise that the state is this wise Oracle, dispassionate, fair and indiscriminate. That the common good and the collective interest outweighs individual rights or concerns, especially since those opposed to such are just bad actors, unconcerned with the welfare of the others, interested only in themselves..

I love my country, but at some point you have to realize the U.S. was great not because of the things it did, although it did great things. It was great because of the underlying values behind the people. Those values drove them to do great things, not the other way around.

We had thousands of men take up arms, sometimes against their neighbors or their own families to liberate groups of people from tyranny in the past. Now we have groups of people take up arms against statues that serve to remind us that evil lies in the heart of every man, because some of those statues are tributes to that evil.

We used to tar and feather those who told us we couldn't say things or that we didn't have the right to be heard, now we clamour and lobby the watchers to shut down voices that are offensive, that say things we don't like, to move those voices into "speech zones", away from those who might see or hear, not just on campus mind you, have you tried to hold up a sign near a congressperson, especially of certain political persuasions, you can very easily become a felon, and legislating things such as net neutrality... Only good can come from the state further regulating the communication superhighway..

As well, at one point young men ran out of boats knowing they were about to die to storm the beaches of an evil regime, they did it anyway. Today, one storms the beaches by hashtagging your strong belief in climate change or lambasting those who might be skeptical, and feeling good about yourself by putting your plastic in a blue bin so that it gets shipped to some third world shithole to get dumped into their waterways..

No, I don't think the conditions are even remotely conducive for libertarians and the ideas of liberty. In fact, I think it's rather the opposite.. Our country and people are increasingly Balkanized, and probably why we need more havens such as the free state project in New Hampshire. The government accelerates this balkanization.. I mean, what insane govt doesn't even require a common language for it's citizen services, it's no wonder people don't care about the country they live in any longer, there is no common thread among us, not even language..

In the absence of these conditions, society and the people look for explanations for the maladies in life from an incorrect place.. And not only do they seek explanations from the state, they seek Its remedies.. It's why the further socialist we go, the more certain freedoms must and do get curtailed, such as the first and second amendment. For old timers, it's horrifying. For a newer generation, it's a feature, not a bug..

The libertarian alternative to the black sun, the Molon Labe spartan shield. by Lupus_Nubilum in Libertarianism

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I didn't found a better image of this symbol without a watermark, anyway this was to illustrate the idea. Maybe I clean the watermark or I make one like this by myself with a vector design program if I had the skills.

The libertarian alternative to the black sun, the Molon Labe spartan shield. by Lupus_Nubilum in Libertarianism

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lol, adobe watermark

trump supporters by sawboss in Libertarianism

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What's even funnier is when people notice you are anti-communist they assume that makes you a republican or conservative. LOL

trump supporters by sawboss in Libertarianism

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too much statism

trump supporters by sawboss in Libertarianism

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This seems a little too much

Ancap vs Ancom by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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capitalist USA

LOL

Ancap vs Ancom by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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as happens on socialism

LOL

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

[–]IdleHands 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have deleted /s/physicalremoval without any other reason than "someone said it advocates violence". You selectively enforce the pyramid of debate. You have based the entire site on your personal, subjective judgement.

In the past 6 months I've tried to have a debate with you about the need for proper rules and guidelines but I'm always met with "oh, I believe people will behave themselves".

I think you are naive and makes rushed judgements based on your friends preferences. While the "evidence" presented is laughable, you have a history that makes me think twice about these types of accusation.

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

[–]emperormises 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lol the riot server is dead as shit though

not sure the context here but i think we should leave /u/magnora7 alone and not ruin his day

Best Anti-Communist argument on 4chan (Vee) by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Vee

LP vs Hoppeanism by [deleted] in Libertarianism

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not familiar with that. Please explain.

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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I said he is not welcome to be mod anymore if he is going to censor people when they disagree with him. That is not a "threat" the way you have been using that word "threatening" without any further context until this moment.

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

[–]IdleHands 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

555-COME-ON-NOW

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He is lying, I know it for a fact because I do not threaten people.

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't threaten him. He is making that up. There is no evidence of it. I have nothing to apologize for.

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No I didn't. Stop making things up without evidence, with the purpose of assassinating my character. Pyramid of debate violation warning 1.

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Cringy.

I thought we didn't believe in "rights"? by sawboss in Libertarianism

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Would we disregard American law then?

LP vs Hoppeanism by [deleted] in Libertarianism

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Libertarian Articles of Confederation

Really? You think they are shit?

IMO the principles are generally sound.

However, the unspoken motivation behind them were hypocritical.

Progress is never perfect.

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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Sauce?

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

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I was threatening no one, and now you're manufacturing BS against me. I don't like these attacks, they're quite transparent and disingenuous. If you can't handle the rules of saidit, then you are welcome to leave.

He left because I wouldn't let him censor my comments. And you deleted a few of my comments too. Unnecessary mod censorship is not tolerated on saidit like it was on reddit.

u/magnora7 by [deleted] in Libertarianism

[–]Stankmango 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What the dogshitandcum is this all about?