all 29 comments

[–]SerpensInferna 39 insightful - 15 fun39 insightful - 14 fun40 insightful - 15 fun -  (3 children)

That app is going to end up like r/actuallesbians, full of men with all the women gone. Then they will start complaining because...all the women are gone.

[–]chandra 28 insightful - 14 fun28 insightful - 13 fun29 insightful - 14 fun -  (0 children)

The unsolvable problem of needing to persuade actual lesbians to stick around in a lesbian community to give it a sense of genuine lesbianism, but not let them talk about actual lesbianism because that's too invalidating.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 27 insightful - 14 fun27 insightful - 13 fun28 insightful - 14 fun -  (0 children)

-App is made

-App takes off due to filling a need

-Woke infest community and company culture and makers virtue signal to avoid cancel

-App cancels itself anyway due to no longer filling said need and now being full of low quality people who hate each other.

-App dies and the cycle repeats

[–]Hannibalboy93 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100%

[–][deleted] 38 insightful - 3 fun38 insightful - 2 fun39 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Only rapists see sexual boundaries as a hurdle to overcome. No lesbian should stay on an app that has so many rapists.

[–]julesburm1891 30 insightful - 14 fun30 insightful - 13 fun31 insightful - 14 fun -  (1 child)

It’s really something that the top two complaints are:

  1. Women don’t want to fuck us.

  2. Women want to fuck us.

[–]spanishprofanity 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The chasers they're crying about are probably men like Jolyon Maugham lol

[–]Femaleisnthateful 29 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

And yet if Giggle were to post tweets like that about TRAs, imagine the reaction.

Seriously, what is HER's business model? Once they've alienated all the real women, it'll only be TRAs left, and they don't want to date eachother.

[–]HelloMomo 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[TRAs] don't want to date eachother.

I'm not sure that's a problem. The thing about the dating apps is that, if someone successfully finds a relationship via your app, they're likely to delete your app. So that means they're are incentived to make users like using their app, but they're not really incentived to make their app effective at creating pairings.

[–]reluctant_commenter 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Perfect, they'll waste their time endlessly messaging each other instead of harassing actual women. HER must be a closet #droptheT fan, haha.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A TRA honeypot does seem like a good idea.

[–]julesburm1891 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Right now, simply being trans is under attack by the US govt

Can they point to even one recent action by the federal government that criminalizes trans people? There’s been nothing but knob-gobbling from this administration.

I suppose they’re trying to complain about the states that put the brakes on male athletes competing against women and/or imposed some regulation on experimental medical procedures for children. (Yes, I know it’s pedantic. But, good god, did anyone at that company stay awake through 8th grade civics to have even a slight inkling about how our government works? Arkansas doing a thing is not “the US govt.”)

But, it’s interesting to see they think trans existence means cheating female athletes and giving irreversible treatments/surgeries to people lacking the ability to consent.

[–]wendyokoopa1 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not to mention taking over women's bathrooms and health care and prisons. I have yet to find a way to bring it up to her but I have an ex female correctional officer in my life seeing her shortly as a matter of fact and she'll tell you that for every 1 or 2 women that actually did something because they felt like it many were there(minus the Doukhobors) because of mental health breakdowns some related yes to men. So putting them in a situation where they have to deal with men and you have problems waiting to happen. Many of these women want to reform and want to be released but now they're risking being re-traumatized because "transgender women are women" and triggered individuals don't act rationally and once you're incarcerated at times the system works against you especially in the places where you have corporations handling corrections.

[–]reluctant_commenter 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But, good god, did anyone at that company stay awake through 8th grade civics to have even a slight inkling about how our government works? Arkansas doing a thing is not “the US govt.”

I know your comment is sarcastic but honestly one of my most common recurring thoughts throughout all this has been, "Maybe this wouldn't have happened, or wouldn't have happened to such an extreme extent, if we had better education systems." Especially in regards to critical thinking skills, but general knowledge, too.

[–]julesburm1891 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, I absolutely agree with you. I think a fair share of why we’re in this mess is a combination of our schools falling behind and parents deciding parking their kids in front of a screen is parenting. We aren’t equipping kids with the tools to think critically and are giving them the impression that all ideas hold equal weight.

[–]Rosefield 19 insightful - 11 fun19 insightful - 10 fun20 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

Oppression, transphobia! lesbians won't touch our dicks!

[–]Dromedary 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's really insane. It's not even the Her app trying to make accommodations for trans "women". Now it just seems like they are just straight-up taunting and denigrating lesbians. Unless they are amenable to being forcet to accept ladydique. Yuck. Boycott that shit, delete the app and let the bearded weirdos date each other. Insane that Her is actually saying the Cotton Ceiling is a problem and they want to help transbians overcome this problem from lesbians being difficult. My god, it's noxious.

[–]Rosefield 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's also homophobia

[–]wendyokoopa1 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Time to delete the her app.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Has anyone here used Her before? I never have. Trying to mentally prepare myself for diving back into the dating scene, but I'm not sure what to avoid (besides this one, I guess).

[–]Rosefield 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Avoid HER

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I have not tried Her. The notoriety of Her has made me think why bother when the kind of woman I'm interested in attracting is exceedingly unlikely to be on there. But I have considered checking it out to see if it's as bad as its reputation.

I have strong thoughts that you didn't ask for on the dating apps I've used, so buckle up. I've considered doing a comprehensive review of the dating apps I've used while dating as a (non reality-denying) lesbian for funsies. In my experience, Hinge is by far the most effective, most lesbian-friendly (very relatively speaking lol), and least creepy. Coffee Meets Bagel is the most useless. Tinder is the creepiest (but not totally useless). Bumble is like a less good Hinge. It's also interesting to compare the profiles of the same people across multiple apps. I've seen the most cross-pollination between Hinge and Bumble, but Hinge's set-up is way better IMO and Bumble's is seriously flawed, but they can be useful in tandem. Some examples:

  • Bumble has tons of options of things to include on your profile for which you select one of a few dropdown choices. This includes things like gender identity, zodiac sign, how much you work out, political leanings, etc. but not sexual orientation. Hinge has sexual orientation as an option and generally when a woman is a lesbian, she's going to select that and have it be visible on her profile, so you can make judgments about a woman actively deciding to not make her sexual orientation visible on her profile. In my experience, women who don't display their sexual orientation are a waste of time and are not serious about dating women. And there's also something to be said for the women who select Lesbian or Bisexual vs. the women who select Queer or Pansexual. Bumble has a very character limited open-ended bio to write whatever you want in, but few women state their sexual orientation here or that they're specifically interested in women.

  • The aforementioned options for Bumble include what you're looking for, which is or would be a perk over Hinge, except you have to choose only one option to the exclusion of others. The options are Something Casual, Relationship, and Marriage.

  • Bumble segregates dating from finding friends. I've only used the date option, so I don't know what the bff option is like, but segregating these is a good idea. Sadly it won't stop non-serious curious women who are really on there for men to simultaneously using date mode to see what women are into them.

  • Also on Hinge, unlike Bumble, women who like you have the option of sending you a comment on something on your profile to get a conversation started. It's another way to gauge seriousness and intentions, and not waste your time with women who are not serious about dating women.

  • I've seen the fewest males, couples, and gender nonsense on Hinge. Most profiles seem to have pronouns specified but it's not pushed as much as it is on Bumble where I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't have pronouns displayed.

  • In general, people on dating apps can select whatever gender identity they want and then select to be displayed to "people looking for women" or whoever the fuck they want. This is the case even when the app has an option for looking for non-binary people. I can't recall offhand the details of how each app accomplishes this. I just checked Hinge as an example. Under "I'm Interested in" there are 4 options: Men, Women, Non-Binary People, and Everyone (and you can select as many options as you like). I have only "Women" selected obviously. I definitely get shown in my queue people who list they/them and she/they pronouns, but they are almost always female at least. And I definitely get in my likes people who selected "Non-Binary" as their gender identity (again, generally at least female NBs). I also use gendered language on my profile to specify that I'm interested in "women" specifically. So this is bullshit. The theys get to have their cake and eat it too and waste all of our time.

  • Bumble has some weird technical issues. I generally use my Beeline (people who have already liked me) and swipe from that and it is way too easy to accidentally swipe left or right on a profile from here while just scrolling up and down the grid of all the profiles that liked you. And it seems that you can't undo that swipe when the mis-swipe happened in this way since their undo feature is not present on the Beeline.

  • The quality of the women on Hinge presented to me and who like my profile is overall the best by far. Not sure how else to say that. :D Bumble is in second.

  • Additionally, unlike Hinge, Bumble does not let you filter out people who have children (which is important when dating at my age). The dropdown options on Bumble for this are seriously flawed. There is no option for even privately selecting but not displaying on your profile that you are not interested in dating anyone who has kids. The only option would be to indicate that you "Don't want kids," which is not the same thing. Hinge sensibly separates whether someone has children and what their family plans are as two separate inquiries.

If I had to use one, definitely Hinge. If I had to get rid of one, definitely Coffee Meets Bagel goes first.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have strong thoughts that you didn't ask for on the dating apps I've used, so buckle up.

THANK you. I was actually debating making a post about this (and still might), this was exactly the sort of information I was looking for. Much appreciation, seriously!!!

I've considered doing a comprehensive review of the dating apps I've used while dating as a (non reality-denying) lesbian for funsies.

I would love to read that (assuming that this comment isn't it already!).

I was already leaning towards Hinge, but your comments cement my resolve, particularly this one:

Hinge has sexual orientation as an option and generally when a woman is a lesbian, she's going to select that and have it be visible on her profile, so you can make judgments about a woman actively deciding to not make her sexual orientation visible on her profile.

Oh my god that sounds invaluable. Also I appreciate you pointing that out because that's the exact type of detail that online dating articles written for straight people will not mention.

Couple questions:

  • For same-sex female relationships, is Tinder pretty much only for hookups? I've heard most straight people say that but was wondering if it was the same for lesbian/bi women.

  • Have you had anyone, over app message or in-person, challenge you on "un-PC" things? E.g. not having pronouns in bio, using sex-based terms of attraction, lack of negativity towards JKR? (My personal general rule is to not get into any debates about that in writing, so at least people can't fuck me over via screenshot, but just wondering how common it is.)

  • If you had to guess... out of, say, every 10 or so people you see on Hinge, what # are lesbian/bisexual women who don't immediately seem like they're drinking the gender identity koolaid? (I'm not even talking personality fit or attractiveness, just baseline demographic compatibility.)

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh my god that sounds invaluable. Also I appreciate you pointing that out because that's the exact type of detail that online dating articles written for straight people will not mention.

Yes, in my experience it is absolutely hands down the most useful feature on any dating app I've used, and it's notable that it's a standout feature. Like all these pronouns but no sexual orientation when sexual orientation is at the very center of dating?

I am genuinely curious about the thought process behind any woman who is serious about dating women but who actively decides to hide her sexual orientation from her profile. The only "good" reason I can come up with is that she knows she likes women but is still unsure if she is lesbian or bisexual, but that tends to result in one of the more understandable uses of resorting to putting "queer" as your sexual orientation (which then gets lost in all the other less ideal reasons someone might list "queer"). I can give these women a pass if they make it evident on their profile elsewhere that they are looking for a woman specifically, which is not hard to do. Like if the prompt is asking what you're looking for, it's not hard to say "A woman who. . . ."

For same-sex female relationships, is Tinder pretty much only for hookups? I've heard most straight people say that but was wondering if it was the same for lesbian/bi women.

Yes and no. It's heavily geared toward hookups so I think we all need to have that in mind when using it and sussing out the other woman's intentions, but that's on top of communicating about what you both are looking for. So when things are ambiguous even after you've communicated about intentions, IMO it's best to err on the side of assuming more casual intentions on the part of the other person. Casual intentions includes hookups but it's not hookups alone. It also includes "I'm not actively looking for a relationship, but am looking to connect with women and am down for whatever makes sense based on that connection" among other things. This is just my interpretation. Tinder can also provide some interesting info about women you come across on other apps since Tinder profiles are much more open-ended.

Have you had anyone, over app message or in-person, challenge you on "un-PC" things? E.g. not having pronouns in bio, using sex-based terms of attraction, lack of negativity towards JKR? (My personal general rule is to not get into any debates about that in writing, so at least people can't fuck me over via screenshot, but just wondering how common it is.)

No, but I have a loooot of thoughts on this. The details are probably better to discuss via dm. I’m pretty strategic, not like I pre-plan conversations, but just make sure I don’t put myself in a bad position. Like you, I don’t get into anything on my profile or in writing.

In person, I pay attention to the other person first, how they communicate, their interests, their word choice, etc.. If relevant to the conversation, I might casually throw in a phrase like “the same sex” or “the opposite sex” and gauge any reaction or non-reaction. The kind of thing that they would have to be an absolute zealot to call out as “problematic” and that does not give them any dirt on me. I don’t force any discussions and I make sure to carefully establish that my background is in Western liberal values before I get anywhere near a touchy subject. It helps that I have a lot of things on my “resume” that align with SJW stuff (before it got corrupted).

I also try to establish that I’m thoughtful, able to acknowledge my own blindspots, don’t like to take strong positions on things I don’t know enough about, and am geared toward balance and nuance, and not a reactionary of any kind (whether left or rightwing). And when I touch a contentious subject, I keep my statements as personal and close to me as possible, which makes them less subject to attack and more easily defensible. I talk about my experiences. My feelings. How I experience attraction. How I knew I was a lesbian. Experiences within my field and areas of study. I have been asked if I would date a trans woman. That one is pretty easy for me to respond to in a way that any reasonable person should be able to understand, so anything less than understanding from them would be a giant red flag.

If you had to guess... out of, say, every 10 or so people you see on Hinge, what # are lesbian/bisexual women who don't immediately seem like they're drinking the gender identity koolaid? (I'm not even talking personality fit or attractiveness, just baseline demographic compatibility.)

I don’t think I can put a number to this within this framework. For a number of reasons, I mostly sort through who has already liked me. This is particularly because I don’t want to have to make a snap judgment about the abundant otherwise appealing profiles that don’t explicitly list their sexual orientation since I can’t skip over them. I would say that there are enough lesbian and bi women who do not overtly sip the koolaid within my likes that they are not unicorns and I haven’t needed to venture out beyond them. A few of them include she/her pronouns, but that would have been the only mark against them. But there are a lot of ambiguous cases. Like otherwise appear normal to normal-ish but then list “Queer” as their sexual orientation or something like that. I keep them on ice. I haven’t ended up directly engaging or meeting anyone in person whose profile doesn’t explicitly say “Lesbian” or “Bisexual” specifically.

I actually don’t see that many women list “Bisexual” though, and on an app like Hinge, I interpret women who select “Bisexual” as serious candidates. I see more women whose profiles say “Lesbian” than “Bisexual.”

There’s maybe been one case of someone who listed “Pansexual” who wasn’t otherwise entirely objectionable in easily predictable ways. It makes it clear that “Pansexual” is not really about sexual orientation but politics, ideology, and aesthetic. Women who list “Queer” are already entirely objectionable perhaps 80% of the time.

It's also worth noting I haven't seen any explicit radfemmery or political lesbian types on dating apps. Women who explicitly state that they are feminists are very clearly the "liberal feminist" or "intersectional feminist" type, often with all the overt irony that comes with that. I steer clear of them. They tend to abound in the kind of proud cognitive dissonance and ideological aggression that makes them the most dangerous. I can't imagine radfems or political lesbians on dating apps tbh. Nor would I want to date them.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am genuinely curious about the thought process behind any woman who is serious about dating women but who actively decides to hide her sexual orientation from her profile.

You know, it's sad and frustrating but I was reading a few posts by bisexual women about online dating (trying to get any WLW perspective I can here) and they were disheartened because they thought that they weren't getting matches because some lesbian women don't want to date bisexual women. And then the people in the comments were like: "Don't tag yourself as bisexual, tag yourself as queer! That'll avoid the problem!" Like... 1) you shouldn't have to hide the fact that you're bisexual 2) those lesbian women would still leave once they eventually find out you're bisexual anyway... there is no winning with them.

Yes and no. It's heavily geared toward....

Gotcha, that all makes sense, thanks.

No, but I have a loooot of thoughts on this. The details are probably better to discuss via dm.

Will hit you up :)

I don’t force any discussions and I make sure to carefully establish that my background is in Western liberal values before I get anywhere near a touchy subject.

Yup, I've come to take that approach, too.

And when I touch a contentious subject, I keep my statements as personal and close to me as possible, which makes them less subject to attack and more easily defensible. I talk about my experiences. My feelings. How I experience attraction. How I knew I was a lesbian.

Ahhhh, now that's a good approach. What I love about that, too, is that in a way this strategy takes advantage of a weakness of Queer Theory (specifically, a weakness that comes from its postmodernist heritage): "Always question the institution, never question the individual." Even someone drinking the koolaid of gender identity would likely adhere to that Queer Theory social norm and use kiddie gloves when disagreeing with you.

It's funny, I hear you describing these tactics and they're all quite sound, and some of them are things that I also do that I wouldn't even think to describe unless someone asked me. Having some of these types of tactics described explicitly in a guide or something would be an invaluable resource, I think; it would likely generalize well to situations with friends, too, not just dating.

I don’t think I can put a number to this within this framework. For a number of reasons, I mostly sort through who has already liked me.

I'll have to see whether or not the same strategy is available to me at all, hahaha. I'm sure you do just fine. :)

I would say that there are enough lesbian and bi women who do not overtly sip the koolaid within my likes that they are not unicorns and I haven’t needed to venture out beyond them.

Really glad to hear that, both for your sake and in general. But, I'm keenly curious to see how that will play out with my being in Gen Z.

I actually don’t see that many women list “Bisexual” though, and on an app like Hinge, I interpret women who select “Bisexual” as serious candidates. I see more women whose profiles say “Lesbian” than “Bisexual.”

Really... that's so fascinating. I guess plain ol' bisexual is just considered "boring," now. Man, TRAs really do have a fast turnover rate on the demographic groups that they colonize.

[–]SapphicFox 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can I ask just one thing about this shitty app? Who the fuck is running the social media?!!! Other dating apps like Grindr kiss TRA arse as well but they at least try to keep their image professional why throwing gay men under the bus, this app however seem like they just gave control of their social to a 15 year old Tumblrite. Do they honestly not care that this doesnt look professional as well as creepy?

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, that's embarrassing.

[–]MBMayfair 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The misogyny on display here is utterly sickening. I mean, this is just a whole new low. I wish I had something more insightful or cutting to say than that, but...I just want to puke.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Click to view and/or archive snapshots:

If this comment is being added for websites which cannot be usefully archived - for example, video hosts or an existing archive site - please let the subreddit Moderators know by sending ModMail. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this sub if you have any questions or concerns.