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[–]KingDickThe2nd 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Some additional non-spoiler lore that people might not know about the guy:

While he had his practice in the US, he actually immigrated from New Zealand to the US to do the research that he wanted to do, as it was impossible to do so in New Zealand at the time as New Zealand was a conservative but quasi communist country and both main political parties reflected this (one was leftwing populist and the other was Christian socialist). We are talking about a country where the TV and radio is 100% controled by the government and where newspapers are the only non government owned media (but who are somewhat reliant on government advertisements).

Helen Clark (Permanent whinger, outspoken one world government globalist, former New Zealand prime minister, former head of the UN Development Programme, wantabe UN general secretary and current chairperson of UN Covid-19 investigation) was good friends with him when he was alive. She opened an art gallery in the town of Gore (New Zealand's New Zealand) in his name.

He was also closely connected with other politicians and supporters of the bloodless revolution in New Zealand in 1984 (government swapped the economic system from quasi-socialism to extremist neoliberalism overnight without regard for human cost). These people used social liberal reforms as a means of distracting the public from how they were selling off the very considerable amount of state assets to multinational corporations on the cheap so long as they got a considerable kickback.

Now that I have bored people half to death, his wacky idea of 'treating society' rather than the person looks sane compared to his idea of "fighting Fire with Fire" in stopping **** shit with gay **** shit. Which is why videos like this one are made and will probably increasingly become the norm.

[–]JoeyJoeJoe[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OK it sounds like you have a lot to say! If you have a blog or other online outlet I'd be very interested in following! 👍👍

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Now that I have bored people half to death, his wacky idea of 'treating society' rather than the person looks sane compared to his idea of "fighting Fire with Fire" in stopping **** shit with gay **** shit. Which is why videos like this one YouTube are made and will probably increasingly become the norm.

LGBT love in Ancient Greece...

There's like, several anachronisms in the title of this video alone, which makes me wonder how many more are in the actual thing.

[–]KingDickThe2nd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well the biggest problem is the fact that the video is aimed at small children, yet presents the relationship between a 48 year old adult man and a 12 year old boy in a positive light. They state a 48 year old and 12 year old boy can be gay "lovers" and their relationship is something to be celebrated.

Compare how this video retreats the matter to what John Money said about about man boy relationships:

If I were to see the case of a boy aged ten or eleven who's intensely erotically attracted toward a man in his twenties or thirties, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual [...] then I would not call it pathological in any way.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well the biggest problem is the fact that the video is aimed at small children, yet presents the relationship between a 48 year old adult man and a 12 year old boy in a positive light. They state a 48 year old and 12 year old boy can be gay "lovers" and their relationship is something to be celebrated.

I'm not surprised by this at all.

The premise of the whole video is based on equating pederasty to modern day male homossexuality, which is not only wrong and a huge anachronism, but also offensive as hell.

And the most interesting thing at all they neglected to cite in the video? These pederasts didnt seeked relationships with other adult men, only boys and feminine ones at that.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have indeed.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a shame we have to use his term 'sexual orientation', considering who and what he is.

[–]censorshipment 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. He's exactly the type of man I'd expect him to be.

[–]SerpensInferna 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I have.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Money? Oh yeah.

[–]JulienMayfair 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. He's the source of much of the nonsense we're dealing with.

[–]Rag3 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Of course. Can you be in this sphere without knowing about this man?

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think it's actually pretty uncommon for people to know about John Money. We should talk about him more! Hopefully OP will follow this up with a discussion thread?

[–]Rag3 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope so!

[–]JoeyJoeJoe[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't need my permission to start a thread. Might me worth floating the name "Jamie Shupe" in the mix as well!!

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I wasn't sure whether there was a particular reason why you were asking. All posts have to be related to droptheT or LGB issues. I suppose John Money's existence alone is a good reason to drop the T though, lol.

[–]JoeyJoeJoe[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I had no idea until following a thread mentioned by Vanessa Vokey earlier this week!

[–]Rag3 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m shocked. We need to spread some info around then!

[–]Cass 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I had no idea who he was until I saw this thread.

[–]Rag3 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly thought that this info would be encountered early. When you find out about John Money or the roots of queer theory, it feels like you are peeling back the layers of a rotting onion. 😫

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course.

[–]IGiveAFuck2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have, unfortunately...

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am, unfortunately, aware of all the shit he did.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. Have known about him for many years before the TQ+ invasion

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, so who is he?

[–]Cass 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't know who he was either. So I googled him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I got to the second paragraph and remembered 🤮

[–]artetolife 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He was in my GCSE Psychology textbook.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes!!! I had an awesome professor in college who taught me about John Money.

edit: It's possible some people might not know who he is and feel too shy to respond, so that might skew your survey results. Wish we had a built-in poll feature in Saidit.

[–]Bright_paintingLoad, lesbian biologist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I have.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Forgot the name, but not that story...

[–]Beryl 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, I do know an uncomfortable amount of stuff about that man. Hell, any info about him can be classified as such.

[–]WanderingWonderWizard Extraordinaire 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately