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[–]reluctant_commenter 39 insightful - 7 fun39 insightful - 6 fun40 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Starts at 2:00 if you want to watch a pile of flaming garbage. Would not recommend, she is just repeating common transgender ideology talking points-- "it is oppressive for people to refer to biological traits when they say 'man' and 'woman'!" Love having my demographic misrepresented by a member of a cult.

You guys ever read Lord of the Flies, where they have that pig head on a stake or whatever like some sort of totem? It's like same sex attracted people are the totem for the transgender movement. Lol. Feel free to let me know if that makes no sense, I'm exhausted.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 26 insightful - 7 fun26 insightful - 6 fun27 insightful - 7 fun -  (7 children)

I can't watch this whole thing because my brain is fried and she seems exhausting but all I have to say is if you need an entire comic book to explain the theory behind whatever the fuck it is you think you are, your theory sucks.

[–]GConly 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

she seems exhausting

That was my feeling too.

Also, no book with so little text has anything insightful to tell anyone.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

As an elementary teacher, I wanted to say I think kid's books and graphic novels can be excellent tools for spreading ideas and teaching people big/complicated ideas... Partly why I wish we had more gender critical and LGB only focused kid's books...all the LGB books for kids right now are HEAVY on the gender identity and transing kids...makes me so uncomfortable I've been trying to navigate how to deal with that and my disagreements with gender identity and transing kids without hurting my trans kids (we have 2 AND THEY ARE BOTH UNDER 10!! Luckily they've only shifted pronouns and gender presentation but I'm worried they may start taking hormones/medically transitioning before puberty...)

Actually would love some gc and LGB kid's books recs if anyone has any? (Sorry to derail this comment, it just made me start thinking about the use of kid's books and other simple texts to spread this cult propoganda to well-meaning parents and confused kids.)

And yes, she does seem exhausting, but that's how I feel about most "queer folxs"

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LGBTQOMGWF childrens' books are all the rage now, but like you said, very TQ+ heavy. I'd look for stuff published before 2014 if I were you, but a majority of that will focus on L/G parents (like Billy Has Two Mommies kind of thing.) It's real interesting actually, LGB kids didn't get to be LGB in childrens' books, but TQ+ enjoy this privilege. (I'm not talking about YA/MG, at least in those we get more rep. And pre-2016/7 too many of them were written by straight women.) I don't have any specific titles, I'm just in a chatty mood I guess.

[–]Destresse🇨🇵 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Two trans kids under 10?? Wow...

I'm curious, does it happen within certain social classes and not others? One of my best friends is an elementary school teacher too, she has never had to deal with that but only teaches in relatively poor areas and I wonder if there's a link, on top of the fact the trans contagion isn't as intense here as the US or UK.

[–]millicentfawcett 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is only anecdotal (UK) but a friend told me a while back that the local grammar school (have to pass an exam to get in, mostly white affluent parents) had quite a few trans kids. The school mine go to is a local comprehensive that has been in and out of special measures for years and attracts a poorer income demographic to the best of my knowledge has zero trans kids. The school has no policies around trans either which leads me to believe they've not needed any so far. A lot of the kids that go there have far bigger problems than identity navel gazing.

To add - the school is pretty great in a lot of ways. There's a perception that all schools that have poorer intakes and social problems are terrible but the staff are really dedicated and I'd actually rate it as a good school even if the rankings don't. I'm grateful my kids don't get their heads filled with identity nonsense.

[–]fuck_reddit 19 insightful - 7 fun19 insightful - 6 fun20 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

“It’s a graphic novel introduction to Queer Theory.” So... does it tell you about the pedophilia???

[–]theytookourjerbsXX only. 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Polyamory isn't LGB. Anybody of any sexual orientation can be polyamorous or even polygamous. I mean polyamory and polygamy could work in a world where I live in a candy house, have a pet flying unicorn and my backyard has rainbows, pink fluffy clouds, and nice and gentle woodland creatures in a forest together. Like I like the idea of having two wives and a girlfriend, but that probably wouldn't work in reality.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

One girlfriend is a ton of work, I don't understand how people can have multiple healthy commited romantic relationships AND a satisfying personal life, how do you split the time between all of your partners in an equitable way?! (Maybe I'm just a needy person but I want my partner's attention basically whenever we both have free time, the thought of her being with someone else in the same way would be heartbreaking...)

And if all of the relationships aren't equitable, then why not just say you're single but "casually" dating multiple people...aka regular modern dating.

[–]kwallio 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They don't, really. Its all superficial.

[–]theytookourjerbsXX only. 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well I'm currently single, so I wouldn't know exactly how it works, but if I've ever try it, I would explain. I bet they have a calendar to separate any event and other things they need to do. But if I ever go into that direction, I wouldn't adopt because I've heard disastrous things about children with polyamorous or polygamous families.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Some of them started wearing the icon from Google Calendar as a lapel pin.

[–]hellonumpty 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Like I like the idea of having two wives and a girlfriend, but that probably wouldn't work in reality.

Ha, same.

Also most of the bisexual women within the poly community aren't actually interested in real relationships with women and/or already have male partners. And lesbians within the poly community are really really hard to find because there's likely so few of them. Or they're just hiding really well. Probably because of the MF unicorn hunters who promise the husband wont be involved but surprise! they lie.

[–]DestructionI ❤️ adult human females 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I had the terrible displeasure of being wrapped up with a bi woman like this. Her boyfriend was giving her a tough time, I offered a shoulder to cry on and suddenly she's super into me. I don't question nothing cause I've already been crushing on her at that point. We have a little fling together but before I know it she utters both "I love you" and "only men can truly satisfy me" in the same sentence. Turns out I got myself wrapped into a poly scheme in which I would just have to deal with sitting on the sidelines whenever my girl hungered for sausage. Moral of the story: stay away from poly!

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Monogamously married: no regrets.

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've got way too much respect both for myself and others to treat or be treated as a toy that can be dumped into and pulled out of the toybox at convenience.

I wouldn't take it from my guy and I wouldn't dream of treating him that way either. I even get guilty whenever I mentally acknowledge another guy as attractive.

I wish it wasn't so old fashioned, but I still believe that when you get really really looking-to-the-future serious with someone you're giving an important part of yourself to them and they treasure you, and receive the same of them to cherish. The idea of violating and trivializing that trust so intentionally makes me feel sick.

Preachy as hell, I know. Can't help my antiquated monogamy.

[–]DestructionI ❤️ adult human females 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, I agree 100%. Monogamy is the way to go if you actually want your relationship to last.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ugh, that is so frustrating. Sorry you found yourself in that situation.

[–]DestructionI ❤️ adult human females 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. All of this happened a long time ago so I'm mostly over it. The worst part was the feeling of quilt I felt at the time. I berated myself for being uncomfortable with poly because I so desperately wanted to be seen as cool and progressive. Thank god I gained some self-respect since then.

[–]theytookourjerbsXX only. 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah that's the issue. I wouldn't want a bisexual woman in a heterosexual relationship, but I wouldn't mind dating one if they're like Kinsey 4's or 5's and single.

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (5 children)

Idk but someone needs to get her a Proactiv subscription.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You know, looking at her from my side of the screen, I mentally came up with the quip that her acne would probably respond to spironolactone, which is also used off-label in MTF transitions. But then my better judgement about not saying derogatory things about, and to which, people have no control over won me over.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This reminds me of a comment I read on yt that I can relate to:

"My mom asked me once if I had had fun when i was young. I said, no, mom, i had acne."

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So did I.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

That shit don't work

[–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I know but it was the first thing I could think of that would get my point across.

[–]censorshipment 7 insightful - 8 fun7 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

We're due for another World War to knock some sense back into all of us who have never experienced the type of fear people in war zones have experienced. I bet countries that have had wars in the past 2-3 decades don't have a huge "queer" population of bored straight people with nothing better to do than to read stupid books and join cults.

[–]Seahorse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean if a fucken pandemic couldn't do it, I dunno if a world war would.

[–]theytookourjerbsXX only. 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://invidious.tube/watch?v=D9pJcBZL9fY Watch this link if you don't want ads on pooptube

[–]chandra 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Meh, in isolation I didn't think this video was that bad. She at least doesn't outright say (as far as I saw) that sex-based attraction isn't real (even though she makes it pretty clear she doesn't believe it is).

Maybe it's because it was mostly academic (and obvious stuff, aside from the gender nonsense which is taken as given), but I thought it had an enthusiastic hobbyist/subculture feel to it rather than a pushy ideological one. I would be perfectly happy if all the gender theory people acted just like any other subculture, like a religion or a free love commune, where they can debate their scriptures and think they're enlightened, and the rest of us are free to get on with our lives without paying them any attention.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Amen.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So... I'm going to be a bit heretical here. I think van Anders' SCT is actually quite interesting, and at the very least, you have to respect the herculean effort that went into rounding up everything topically relevant, even if you don't buy its premises. It's heavily informed by feminisms and Queer Theory, (she does cite Califia, a delightfully perverted HSTS FTM and Serano, AGP MTF, right out the gate,) yes, but at the end of the day, it's a scientific taxonomy, to which people may or may not actually fit into. "...provides a scientific theory and phenomenology of sexualities that can be falsified and/or revised with empirical data" All models are wrong, some are useful, and this is directly addressed in the paper.

While SCT is probably not useful for the overwhelming majority of people, "theory should explain the entirety of a delimited known phenomenon and not just part of it (i.e., theory should not just focus on the majority of a phenomenon or its most/least obvious cases)" I completely agree. This is why physicists are searching for their Grand Unified Theory / Theory of Everything. SCT is aiming in part to do that, to sexuality.

Sexual orientation is a phrase that realllly gets people bent out of shape, sometimes, because it can imply so many things. I can say that heterosexuality is a sexual orientation. See? Nobody cares. Nobody assumes I'm saying that it should be added to the LGBTQ+ initialism. Or, I can say that pedophilia is a sexual orientation, which it is, and everyone loses their minds. (Sexual, early age-of-onset, life-long, innate, unchosen, and immutable.) No, I'm not advocating for child molestation.

van Anders does retain sexual orientation in SCT, but it is subservient to her larger concept of Sexual Configuration. For instance, a lesbian who only desires butch women. Still a lesbian, of course. But it's the butch thing that van Anders is trying to capture, because not just any women will do for our hypothetical agent.

Anyhow, the point of that diatribe is to not get your underwear in a bunch when somebody says "sexual orientation." It's an interesting paper, have an open mind and read it, if you're into that sort of thing. (I wouldn't bother with the tornado-looking diagrams, which I think I'll start calling sink holes now, because that Youtuber gave a better sentiment to how I feel about those.)

I'll also note that it does not bite off the gender identity stuff, but does take a nuanced look at the concept of gender vs sex. "To be clear, I am not saying that sex is not an important or defining feature of many people’s sexuality; I am saying that sex is not the only organizing feature..."

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For instance, a lesbian who only desires butch women. Still a lesbian, of course. But it's the butch thing that van Anders is trying to capture,>>

I didn't watch it all so my uninformed opinion is that yet again gender is being shoved into sexuality, their basic definitions are same gender attractions, not same sex or opposite sex attraction.